Singh1983

The process of becoming a sikh.

Some may agree or chose to disagree, that you cannot be born a sikh you have to adopt the charistics and beliefs of Sikhi to become a Sikh?, Again the same might apply to the Khalsa (amritdhari’s).

What’s so different from a Sikh and the Khalsa ?

In some sense the video has opened our eyes. That singh in the video clip should be hunted down and given the beating of his life. A 13 year old girl ? <admin-profanity filter activated>.

Am really starting to feel anti hindu thesedays. i know i cant blame them all but to think this is what they really think of us. After all we have done for ther hindus in the past.

I agree with B4ND4 about this topic - lets not deviate and start talking about different types of martial arts etc. ALL MARTIAL ARTS TEACH the following - explore other means first. There is a large assumption that sikhs must WHIP out there kirpans. This is not the case. Lets make up a case where you see someone getting attacked. YOUR MOST POWERFUL WEAPON IS YOUR VOICE! You can yell, gather video evidence and help by giving statements.

This thread was created in response to an assault attack which occured in birmingham at a gurmat camp. The campers in the park saw and they need to ask themselves why are they not going to give statements????

The article is quoted below to jog people's memories. If you saw then please get in contact. I have spoken to the mnoderators and asked them if I can put this up. The reason they say the original thread was closed was because it got personal. There is a negilence issue but can we CONCENTRATE on getting statements and THINK about PREVENTION as this COULD HAPPEN TO ANY PINK, BLUE, PURPLE PERSON. Lets all think what we would do the next time we see someone getting hurt, robbed etc.....

ASK YOURSELF WHY THESE PEOPLE BEHAVED LIKE THIS. WHY THEY SAW IT ALL BUT DO NOT WANT TO COME FORWARD.

At the Gurmat camp in Birmingham, sparkhill. A young mother was assaulted in broad daylight by a group of Muslim youths, who threw a large piece of broken pavement directly towards her turban, causing bleeding from her head.

This occurred whilst she was on her way to the Gurudwara from the park (all the children from the gurmat camp were in the park) but after asking one of the group leaders she found out that her daughter was not in the park as she was entering a gubani competition in the gurudwara.

So the lady made her way back to the gurudwara. She was still in the park going over to the gurudwara when a group of muslim youths threw a piece of pavement block directly towards her turban, causing her to bleed in the head.

The injuries she received from this assault needed immediate medical attention as she was taken in an ambulance to hospital. The motive of the assault being that this lady is a religious Sikh woman wearing a turban and they were Muslims.

The reason why I am writing is because there are a number of things i am not happy with:

1. When the assault took place, everyone in park saw it but decided to ignore it.

2. Knowing that the lady was bleeding from the head -no one called the police or the ambulance (only the daughter that was with her did this – what if this happened to another lady who was not with someone?)

3. Nobody thought it was necessary to hold onto the muslim boys who had done this. The lady managed to hold on to one of them whilst bleeding but then a few sikhs came over and were telling the lady to let go of him.

4. When the police did arrive on the scene everyone came around pretending that they cared for the lady.

5. Two days later, the gurudwara gurmat camp was asked what they were going to do about this. Giani sukhdev singh was evasive saying he cared but he was not willing to give a statement, instead he said that he wasn’t free yet, he was busy with work and didn’t have time etc. When asked for his phone number rather than giving it to the lady, he told her to get it off a poster that was around the gurudwara building .This is the same person who gives lectures to sikhs about helping one another and sticking together.

6. When asked who would be willing to act as a witness or give a statement the people who saw the assault were too scared to step forward and when the lady asked them they said NO. when one female turban wearing person was asked she said, "yes i saw what happened the muslim boy hit me with something as well, but I just ignored it, and no, I wont go to the police to tell them, but honestly you should - you shouldn’t let them get away with it"

Is this how hypocritical sikhs have become?

I would like to point out that later on about 5 youths were concerned about the incident. But the people leading the gurmat camp, the committee members and all the other people turned a blind eye. Why did the muslims attack? well because the ENTIRE sikh community was present in the park in a normally muslim area.

Even though the park was full of sikhs and there were only 10 muslims - the sikhs did not do anything. Someone could have easily held the muslim boys who instead ran when they saw the police.

The attitude seems that sikhs people don't care about what happens even when its in front of their faces. If lets say the same had happened to another community such as muslims the reaction to this event, the outcome, the number of people willing to witness would have been more positive. I don’t think a single person would have said to ignore this racially motivated attack.

Are you for real? When did this happen?

Can’t believe it, has it become this bad. We can’t even protect and look after our own people.

Things need to change and fast. Even a non religious person with a hint of lug for humanity would have come to her aid. :wub:

I have a 3inch scar running from my eye to my cheek for helping an innocent white man during a robbery in canary wharf.

Later i was taken to court for using excessive force againest the robber.

It doesnt pay to defend / fight for the innocent. Would i do it again .... Yes but next

time i would make sure the guy never woke up!.

I have been to a Church before, felt strange but rewarding. I enjoyed the experience, felt uncomfortable to begin maybe because i am not use to the surroundings but that is expected. Church, Mosque, Gudwara and Temples are all houses of god. Please don’t confuse people with you experience/view.

A non Sikh going to a Gudwara must feel the same, least you understood what was being said and had some understanding what to expect.

Why don’t we just have one gudwara where all the sangat can go, instead of 4-5 in a small town/ city? Fair enough if they had some sort of historical representation then it’s understandable. But dout we do in the UK.

Love the name and concept

I agree we need to make people aware of what’s going on around us. Issues affecting our Community. Most parents dont have aclue, long as it isnt effecting their family they are not concerned, what a poor attitude to have!.

I have recently been in dialog with members of Leicester sangat a lot of the youth believe we need to take active steps to bring Sikh youths together as one. So we can educate build unity and help our community where able.

We are looking to establish the Sikh Unity Network in the next few months. I will post details of meetings, akand paths and website links closer to the time.

Would like to hear your point of view/ideas.

Use force where necessary to clamp down on Sikh conversions/bullying?

It is time we stood up and took action; we can worry all day long how violent actions may have a negative impact on the Sikh sangat, but its time we make people aware we can hold our own. Stand shoulder to shoulder, not just fight between us.

Obviously we cant please everyone, people may think we are looking to follow the foot steps of sher-e Punjab and other groups in the past. My reply is we are looking to unity and educate the youth. Unity is the key! Education will help develop an interest in sikhi and help develop our community.

Initially this will only be Leicester based. We have gathered a lot of interest. But need to iron out a few issues before we can proceed.

Hope we establish more supporters then critics, either way it’s going to happen.

Is the tourment not organised by the local gudwara communities.

Would never happen in leicester. :wub: