Shaheed_Fauja

isit shiney? If it is its not sarabloh.

if the sun exploded we would be dead.

I read it too :wub: . The authors have called the war between the gods and demons as hindu mythology but many sampradas in sikhi say these events actually took place in one of the previous yugs. So i am confused :wub: . Everytime i ask someone i get different viewpoints from sangat.

Personally, I won't consider chandi di vaar equivalent to bani inscribed in Sri Guru Granth Sahib. Its just a story being told by Guru Ji.

They were NOT Gods. They had done their bhagti of Akaal Purakh to get their powers. However, they got proud of this and began calling themseves God. Reach Bachitar Natak Guru Gobind Singh Ji talks about this.

And for all the people who say we believe in one God not Millions - You are correct. However, please read the 1st Pauri of Chandi Di // which leaves no doubts. Akaal Purakh MADE these beings.

bfy bfy muin dyvqy keI jug iqnI qnu qwieAw ]

iknI qyrw AMqu n pwieAw ] 2]

for example, if there was no hunger, there wont be any need for food !!!! no thrist = no water. keep going on and on and on and on and on, u get no evil = no good

Yes! You can only appreciate the value of light when you have darkness. Likewise, you can only appreciate the value of Goodness when you have evil to compare to it.

Good one Singh Ji :TH:

Gurbar Akaal Sat Sri Akaal Purakh Sahib Ji made Maya. Within Maya you'll find all the illusions of happiness and sadness. If we carry on pondering on sadness/happiness we'll never get out of Maya and live free from it.

Some call it a test. At the end of the day, it is Akaal's Will to do this.

There are many references of this in Gurbani, just take some time to read Gurbani - It is there to provide you with answers and even new questions.

Standard:

Dha Tet Tin Tin Ta Tet Dhin Dhin

Jaap Sahib

iqRBvx mhIp sur nr Asur nyq nyq bn iqRx khq ]

qv srb nwm kQY kvn krm nwm brnq sumiq ]1]

*bows down*

WJKK WJKF

Found elsewhere on internet. Author Amardeep Singh has detailed the chands of the powerful Jaap Sahib

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Gurbani

Chands of Jaap Saaheb

Amardeep Singh Sat Jan 19

This paper is written with an objective to initiate a discussion to gain better understanding on recitation methods of Jaap Saaheb.

All Gurbani in Guru Granth Saaheb is written in Poetic Metres and the same applies to Jaap Saaheb.

In order to understand Metre we need to first understand the meaning of Syllables.

A Syllable is a Word or Part of a Word uttered by a single effort of the voice.

Metre of Poetry is the uttering of certain groups of syllables of a Poetic line in regulated successions (long & short, stressed & unstressed). This uttering of syllables in regulated successions results in the generation of rhythm. Poetry and Metre are inseparable. All along a recitation, they exist together. On account of different rhythms produced by different Metres, they acquire different names.

During Bhakti movement, devotional poetry in India was mostly composed in Padas, Dohra, Chaupai, Svaeeyay, Kabit, Pauri, Chand, etc. Gurbani also uses these forms of Metres.

Jaap Saaheb is written in Chands and they follow the rule of Beat and Word. There are 10 types of Chands used in Jaap Saaheb. With exception of one, which has 6 lines (Padas or Charans), the rest 9 of them have 4 lines (Padas or Charans). Charans/Pads are the no. of lines that combine to form a single Chand. These lines (Charans) are like the legs of a Dining Table on which it stands. Each line (LEG – Pad/Charan) follows a specific rhythm rule, which combine together to form a Chand.

In Indian classical prosody the time required to pronounce syllables, according to their phonetic make-up, is designed into two forms: Short (Laghu) and Long (Guru) known by notations I and S, respectively.

Laghu I denotes a Matra (time-division), which is the smallest division of time taken to utter a syllable. This is the smallest rhythm unit of Poetry.

Guru S is made up of 2 Laghus. At a place where Guru (notation S) falls, the uttered syllable will be stretched to twice the time taken in uttering a similar Laghu syllable.

In mathematical form, the timing equation will be

S = 2 * I

Usually, the Guru (S) falls on syllables that have a Kanna, Bihari, Dulonkar, Lan, Hora, Kanora, Tippi, Bindi, Dulaaiyaan. However, this does not imply that all syllables with these characters will necessarily be a Guru (S). This is a general rule but not a must.

Using the principles of Laghu and Guru we can attempt to understand the recitation method of Jaap Saaheb.

1. Chachri Chand : This Chand appears 32 times in Jaap Saaheb. Each Chand has 4 lines (Charans). Each Charan is to be recited with 4 syllables in the manner I S I, S

For example, Chand 30 of Jaap Saaheb will be recited as follows :

I S I S

Alekh Hai A le kh Hai

Abekh Hai A be kh Hai

Anam Hai A na m Hai

Akam Hai A ka m Hai

2. Rasaaval Chand : This Chand appears 8 times in Jaap Saaheb. Each Chand has 4 lines (Charans). Each Charan is to be recited with 6 syllables in the manner I S S, I S S

For example, Chand 148 of Jaap Saaheb will be recited as follows:

I S S , I S S

Na Potrey, Na Putrey Na Po trey Na Pu trey

Na Strey, Na Mitrey Na S trey Na Mi trey

Na Tatey, Na Matey Na Ta tey Na Ma tey

Na Jatey, Na Patey Na Ja tey Na Pa tey

3. Bhujang Paryat Chand : This Chand appears 62 times in Jaap Saaheb. Each Chand has 4 lines (Charans). Each Charan is to be recited with 8 syllables in the manner I S S, I S S, I S S, I S S

However, in Jaap Saaheb it is used in a variance form of Ardh-Bhujang (Half Bhujang), which is similar to Rasaval Chand. Each Charan is to be recited with 6 syllables in the manner I S S, I S S

For example, Chand 28 of Jaap Saaheb will be recited as follows :

I S S , I S S

Namo Jog Jogey Na mo Jo g Jo gey

Namo Bhog Bhogey Na mo Bho g Bho gey

Namo Sarb Dyaley Na mo Sar b Dya ley

Namo Sarb Paaley Na mo Sar b Paa ley

Bujang means the smooth and "back and forth" pattern of the snake, this is also related to gatka. Puratan Siksh in battle recited Jaap Sahib while engaged in battle.

4. Charpat Chand : This Chand appears 27 times in Jaap Saaheb. Each Chand has 4 lines (Charans). It has 2 forms of recitation. In the first form each Charan is to be recited with 5 syllables in the manner S I I, S S

For example, Chand 74 of Jaap Saaheb will be recited as follows:

S I I , S S

Amrit Karmey Am ri t Kar mey

Amrit Dharmey Am ri t Dhar mey

Akhal Jogey Akh a l Jo gey

Achal Bhogey Ach a l Jo gey

In the second form each Charan is also to be recited with 5 syllables in the manner I I S, S S

For example the Chand 78 of Jaap Saaheb will be recited as follows :

I I S , S S

Sarban Devan Sa r ban De van

Sarban Bhevan Sa r ban Bhe van

Sarban Kaaley Sa r ban kaa ley

Sarban Paaley Sa r ban Paa ley

5. Madhubar Chand :This Chand appears 17 times in Jaap Saaheb. Each Chand has 4 lines (Charans). Each Charan is to be recited with 7 syllables in the manner I I I I, I S I

For example, Chand 87 of Jaap Saaheb will be recited as follows:

I I I I, I S I

Gun Gan Udhar Gu n Ga n U dha r

Mahima Apar Ma hi m a A pa r

Aasan Abhang A a sa n A bha ng

Upma Anang U p m a A na ng

Madhubar Chand could mean "madh" (half) "bhaar" (weight) in that it is a chhand that you read not very slow and not very fast

Must be read with emphasis on the middle sound

eg

Gun Gan Udaar --> emphasis on Gan

MehMa Apaar --> emphasis on Ma

6. Bhagvati Chand : This Chand appears 41 times in Jaap Saaheb. Each Chand has 4 lines (Charans). It has 2 forms of recitation. In the first form each Charan is to be recited with 8 syllables in the manner I S I, I I S, I S

For example, Chand 150 of Jaap Saaheb will be recited as follows:

I S I , I I S , I , S

Ki Jaahar Jahoor Hai Ki Jaa ha r Ja hoo r Hai

Ki Haazar Hazoor Hai Ki Haa za r Ha zoo r Hai

Hameshul Salam Hai Ha me shu l Sa la m Hai

Samastul Klam Hai Sa ma stu l K la m Hai

In the second form each Charan is to be recited with 6 syllables in the manner I S S, I S S

For example the Chand 103 of Jaap Saaheb will be recited as follows:

I S S , I S S

Ki Aachij Desey Ki Aa chi j De sey

Ki Aabhij Bhesey Ki Aa bhi j Bhe sey

Ki Aaganj Karmey Ki Aa gan j Kar mey

Ki Aabhanj Bharmey Ki Aa bhan j Bhar mey

7. Harbolmana Chand : This Chand appears 14 times in Jaap Saaheb. Each Chand has 4 lines (Charans). Each Charan is to be recited with 6 syllables in the manner I I S, I I S

For example, Chand 171 of Jaap Saaheb will be recited as follows:

I I S, I I S

Karunalay Hai Ka ru na la y Hai

Ar Ghaley Hai A r Gha le y Hai

Khal Khandan Hai Kh al Khan da n Hai

Meh Mandan Hai Me h Man da n Hai

8. Ek Achari Chand : This Chand appears 8 times in Jaap Saaheb. Each Chand has 4 lines (Charans). Each Charan is to be recited with 2 syllables in the manner I S

For example, Chand 189 of Jaap Saaheb will be recited as follows:

I S

Ajey A jey

Aley A ley

Abhey A bhey

Abey A bey

Ek Achari Chand means "one letter" because there is a main letter in each word – it is said that all of the other "chhands" were in existence before, but Ek Achari Chand was invented by Guru Gobind Singh Jee.

9. Rual Chand : This Chand appears 8 times in Jaap Saaheb. Each Chand has 4 lines (Charans). Each Charan is to be recited with 17 syllables in the manner S I S, I I S, I S I, I S I, S I I, S, I

For example, Chand 79 of Jaap Saaheb will be recited as follows:

S I S, I I S, I S I, I S I, S I I, S, I

Aad Roop Anad Moort Ajon Purkh Apar Aa d Roo p A na d Moo rt A jo n Pu rkh A pa r

Sarb Mann Triman Dev Abhev Aad Udar Sar b Maa n Tri ma n De v A bhe v Aa d U da r

Sarb Palk Sarb Ghalk Sarb Ko Pun Kal Sar b Pa l k Sar b Gha l k Sar b Ko Pu n Ka l

Jatr Tatr Bihajhi Avdhoot Roop Rsal Ja tr Ta tr Bi ha j hi A v dhoo t Roo p R sa l

10. Chapey Chand : This Chand appears 1 time in Jaap Saaheb. Each Chand has 6 lines (Charans). This Chand is a combination of two different Chands, namely Rola Chand and Ulal Chand. First 4 Charans belong to Rola Chand and the last 2 Charans belong to Ulal Chand. Each Charan of Rola Chand has 24 Laghu Matras (I), whereas each Charan of Ulal Chand has 28 Matras (I). Therefore Chapey Chand has a total of 152 Laghu Matras. These are derived as

24 * 4 Lines of Rola Chand + 28 * 2 Lines of Ulal Chand = 152 Total Laghu Matras in Chapey Chand.

Chand 1 of Jaap Saaheb is a Chapey Chand with 6 lines. The first 4 Charans of this Chand are Rola Chand and the last 2 are Ulal Chand.

Stop looking at the tuk literally. Its a metaphor to represent all worlds. (some believe in 3 lok, some in 14 worlds)

In the HISTORY | ARTICLES | INSPIRATION and GURBANI | GURSIKHI | REHAT section.

Many people do not know that this information has been distorted and will therefore believe what the article says. I dont no bout u, but i dont find it funny when SOMEONE MOCKS MY RELIGION!!! The peopl who wrote this are clearly having a dig at sikhi and ur askin us 2 chill...ok so u say that people know that the fact aren;t meant to be true.... i still think its disgraceful as we are not meant to be makin a joke out of sikhi! im sure if there was mockery of any other religions, people of that religion would not like it. THEY SHOULD NOT PUT ANYTHIN ON SIKHI AT ALL IF THEYRE GOING TO TOTALLY DISTORT IT 'FOR A LAUGH'! :wub:

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Islam

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Hindu

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Scientology

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Christianity

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Judaism

(so far havenet seen any "ucyclopedia" embassies being burned down)

[sarcasm]But Ofcourse that's just to hide that they are really just making the site to mock Sikhi![/sarcasm]

Take a chill pill bibi ji have a laugh one day or two :wub: for your health's sake ji!

apologies i meant the demon mentioned in the sakhi of dusht duman is neither sumbh or nisumbh

Safety!!!

Could you please give me the reference to this? Ie: a link to where this story is narrated because I want to read it

Thanks,

yh it wz funi but on the other hand u think about it ppl who don't have dat much knowledge on sikhi can b mislead by this site.........well dats wat i fink

People on not that much knowledge on anything would be mislead by this site

What's your point?

I agree with japmans lets not do a protest out of this :wub:

First of all Dal Singh the nine continents mentioned are 'Janboo, Kush, Palkhya, Svet, Kronch, Pushkar, Shak and two others (i have forgotten them)' These were the nine seperate lands that made up India. These nine also are called 9 khand. Maybe these were the nine lands talked about

Sumbh and Nisumbh were demons that come in the Chandi Di Vaar who faught the goddess and died at her hands.

Samundh Rishi was a devotee of the lord and when faced with the possibility of fighting the demons. God Sent Dusht duman to kill these. The demon mentioned here is not dusht duman.

please listen to the katha of gini thakur singh or even better the katha of Baba Santa Singh nihang on ektaone.com and the sakhi comes up in the ithaas of hemkunt.

Brother, I am confused by the above statement; What are you trying to say? I didn't say he was - he was the destroyer of evil.

But my question is still not answered.

''''''''''''''''Sikhism''''''''''''''''' is a religious faith, the fifth-largest in the world. The popularity of Sikhism is, for the most part, a direct consequence of the fact that it is so awesome. It's the fifth-largest, but easily the coolest. Created by some very interesting historical people[1] in sixteenth-century India, the faith teaches its followers to be smart, slick, and suave. Not only that, they also believe God wants them to be that way, which is a pretty good deal. Most of the time, religion tells you that God wants you to be all humble and meek or whatever, but not Sikhism. When one is part of the Brotherhood, one gets to be holy and look good doing it.

Ten gurus created the rules of Sikhism, one after another. This is because the Supreme Being works in mysterious ways, and apparently chose to reveal the awesome truth of Sikhism in tenths. A good choice, considering the disaster that occurred after he tried to teach humanity the truth through that one guy all at once.

Guru

VAHIGUROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

lol

come on guys, all I want to do is become invisible and fly to india and sort out some bad politicians and you keep bringing the discussion down to a sane level, let me have my fantasy !

Are we saying that we should not persue justice against these people? and only let Dharamraja mett out the punishment? then surely there is then no need for any laws at all.

Yeah, I realised this flaw in my arguement too.

Apologies

WJKK WJKF

I've studied Chandi Di // and heard Katha on "Ab Main Apni Katha Bakhano".

In both banis, Chandi is mentioned to have encountered Sumbh Nisumbh. In Chandi Di //, Chandi takes out the two brothers in the end.

However, in Bachitar Natak, Guru Gobind Singh Ji talks about how Chandi was first offered to marry one of the two brothers. When she disagreed, Sumbh Nisumbh decided to wage a war on her. When the war between a woman and many demons was noticed by Samaundh Rikhi, he asked Akaal Purakh to create a warrior to help her - which is how Dusht Daman (the destroyer of evil) was born. Dusht Daman succeeded in destroying the demons.

So the two events contradict eachother, as one talks about how Chandi destroys Sumbh Nisumbh and the other how Dusht Daman did

Or are they two completely different events?

WJKK WJKF

True, but this is not revenge, this is justice.

But surely true justice only takes place in DharamRaj's court?

Anyway, I see your point, there are many things we are able to do with these supernatural powers, but let us not let this be the incentive to go onto the spiritual path

Is this guy a chardi Kala Singh ?

Carrying on from my quest to sort people out - I would then go to Delhi and sort out all those politicians who were at the forefront in 1984.

Actually by the time you reach the state of having Ridhia/Sidhia you gain perspective of everyhting and realise revenge bares no fruit.

Vato Thankyou so much for your indepth reply.

Brother, I fully agree with you; In spiritually, these powers are not a reward of progression, but are mere obstacles that appear later in the path to Akaal Purakh. I was just curious at what these powers were, and thanks for clarifying them.

WJKK WJKF

Gurubani mention the nine Nidhis and 18 Sidhis/Ridhis

Could someone please fill me with what they are and the description of them?

Thanks,

WJKK WJKF