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  1. First of all, A big thank you to Akhand Kirtani Jatha for listening to our benti.

    As SikhRoots has said, it would be great if we could combine both programs, the more sangat the better. It would be a shame for sangat to have to choose between the two programs...

    Many thanks once again

    GurFateh

  2. im sure i typed some stuff up and said please read between the lines about what i am saying. Ok here it is in simple terms. People who have lived and worked in crews have told me what i typed.

    Also although the images of the grafitti (with a marker?!!!) seem to have gone from the thread, a friend told me that the grafitti said "LFC E2" i.e. suggetsing that the crew was from the E2 postcode area .

    The London fields crew are meant to be from E9 !!

    Kinda odd for a crew to get their postcode wrong .. dont you think?

    again this is what i have been told by someone from the area, i have not checked it. Please check it out for yourself if you need to.

    From the meeting with the police/community last week (it was cancelled on the day) there were several members of the community who were also convinced that some knew more then they were letting on. But these people were told to be quiet and were not allowed to speak. It definetly seems that somebody knows something, but maybe due to fear is not speaking out.

    Also the description of the arsonist has now ranged from black, to half, to white, to asain, to dark asain, to somalian etc. I.e for some reason the witnesses seem to keep changing the description. I duno why, maybe we need to see what the police have been told? Does anyone have a copy of offical police release?

    The eye witnesses have also at some stage say they remember what happened, and later say that they didnt remember anything.

    Something is definetly wrong.

    This is exactly what i was trying to say. Without the police reports or the fire reports released... how are we to be sure.

  3. WJKK WJKF

    In response to your initial thread, I'd like to raise two issues that concern me. At hours of 1330 IST (15th March, Monday), an elderly female lady (from Sikh Community in East London) held that she saw "unknown (Black male)" who was in initiation of escaping from Gurdwara.

    Now on the basis of the fireman report, the explanation was arson. The fire fighters have a more professional perception/awareness, to how fires start than we do. The firemen report was immaculate, with a reconciled appreciation of the elderly female statement. The first issue is on what basis you managed to raise, an explanation of electrical failure.

    There are other Gurdwara's that have constant electricity channelling, and they've never caught fire. And lets agree principally that it was due to electrical problem, I'm sure the community in Suchkhand Sahib would have noticed the electrical disturbance earlier. Demolishment of a reasonably constructed building takes more than just an electrical overflow.

    The second issue is when tangible evidence is provided of the culprits, showing pictures and a statement from Asian community member, how can this be ignored.

    "This attack as we firmly believe was carried out by a gang in East London called the London Fields Crew alias London Fields Boys initials in graff 'LFC' 'LFB', both these tags and others were found scattered throughout the Gurdwara estate and flats near by."

    I think the explanation must be realized with logical approach and understanding of what actually happened!

    As this is a issue that concerns all the Sikh community deeply, i stress that we should move in a direction to getting those suspects! and not be concerned with how leaving a fan on causes a building to collapse!!!!

    WJKK WJKF

    Fateh Ji

    I said that it was a possibility, at no point didnt i say "this is my conclusion". If all aspects are not considered how can we be sure?

    And with regards to the quote about LFC, from what ive been told and read, the flats surrounding the Gurdwara are occupied by Bengalis, and it is with THEM, LFC have issues with.

    Once again im not saying its them... and im NOT saying its not them. It mite have been them, but no-one is CERTAIN yet. Anybody could have written that on the shutters to put the focus on them, it could have been anyone (if anyone) who walked in and set Maharaj alight.

    And Also, you cant say that a heater which has caught fire due to an electrical failure would burn slowly...

    Once again:

    Bhul Chuk Maaf

    My post was not intended to cause any arguments or friction which it obviously has, i am sorry but if we havent discussed this issue then is it wrong for someone to bring it up? If so... then once again im sorry.

    Forgive me for offering a possible cause.

    WJKK WJKF

  4. http://www.emgonline.co.uk/news.php?news=4428

    Mon, Mar 30, 2009 2:39:12

    Sikh community want answers to Gurdwara fire

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    Sikhs write to the police, asking for answers

    Fire ripped through the oldest Gurdwara in London on Monday 16th March 2009 at Bow Gurdwara, Harley Road They write :

    We write concerning the events that transpired on the 16th March 2009. As you will be aware, the Sikh Temple situate at Harley Road in Bow was raised to the ground by fire.

    11 Saroops of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, the Guru of the Sikhs, sustained significant burns during the fire.

    This has set the Sikh Community on fire, enraged and in disbelief that such a crime could be perpetrated. There is an energy in the Sikh Community that requires justice to be dispensed to settle it.

    To date, this has largely been suppressed by community leaders urging the Sikh Community to pull together and focus its energy towards ensuring that the Sanskar (cremation) of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji was effected respectfully.

    Suppressed emotions have now been unleashed, the Sanksar ceremony having been completed. Now the Sikh Community as a whole are seeking answers. Attention has turned towards your investigation.

    No arrests have been made and this has brought about feelings of frustration, anxiety and anger amongst the Sikh Community which is bent upon ensuring that the perpetrators are brought to justice.

    There have been incidents of uprising in Delhi, upon news reaching India of the fire and damage to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

    What needs to be understood is that Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is the Guru of the Sikhs and is so recognised under Indian law as being the living Guru. Although our Guru is timeless, the fire in our minds is akin to an act of murder by law and should be treated with no less passion on your part.

    Had the fire claimed the lives of eleven human Sikhs, the 16th February would not have been as dark a day as it is in our hearts.

    As such, the Sikh Community would implore you to investigate the matter in the manner that a homicide investigation would be undertaken.

    There is a strong feeling amongst the Sikh Community that the Police do not understand the gravity of the crime or that the Police do not care. The community feel that this is low on the list of Police priorities. This is illustrated by the fact that you have interpreted the crime as being a criminal act to "property", thereby treating the incident only as one of arson.

    Not enough is being done to ensure that the perpetrators are brought to justice and this feeling that commitment is lacking on your part will not encourage the Sikh Community to place its faith in your ability to furnish it with justice in the future.

    We urge the Police to take this incident seriously. The growing feeling of resentment towards the Police needs to be taken seriously. The matter needs to be taken seriously by the Police.

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