Sunny

vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

its just love to sikhe sangat wearing fat karas and its a very :c: very :c: very :c: very :c: very :c: very :c: very DEFENCEIVE SHASTAR .

So you're implying that bigger kara's = greater love for Sikhi?

Some people get plastic surgery because they are not happy with the way they look. If plastic surgery is a way to boost their sense of self-worth, then by all means plastic surgery is good for self-esteem. If you have positive self-esteem, that may carry over to religion and lead to increased participation. I have had surgery done on my nose due a medical condition, but it wasn't "cosmetic"

no Vicky veerji, I have not seen that movie. I don't get my facts from Bollywood films

Our RELIGON has cohesion and perfection in its principles however, No RELIGON has a firm religous "cohesion" amongst FOLLOWERS. Social problems within the Sikh Community are not religous probelms. In the Sikh community we dont fight over who we are praying too. Our RELIGON IS CLEAR, everyone can follow its values even without being Sikh. Most of the World beleives in Sikh Values however, they may come across as Human Rights, the Red Cross, the Red Cresent and the U.N.

People who question our GURU GRANTH SAHIB, and believe otherwise have every right too but they do not represent a flaw within our Religon but simply there own personal opinions.

Anything to do with worldly poessesions are social problems, GURBANI is TRANSPARENT and CONVEY's one UNIVERSAL MESSAGE.

And about whos gonna rule Khalistan

To simply reject the notion of Khalistan due to the fact of the possible imperfections part of a community or of a group of people, is not a valid reason....Thats like sayin that since George Bush is in power...there should not be an America anymore... or because some Americans may be sinful, or may engage in criminal acts that the entire American Population are not capable of governing themselves and should not be given the right of freedom

I was NOT referring to Sikhism as an entity/religion. Our RELIGION is perfect in the Guru G

ranth Sahib, but not perfect in PRACTICE. Social problems in our community DO have an impact on our religion. For example, we need to fix the gurdwara's because quite frankly some of them are money making machines.

You do not need to tell me that our religion is clear, everyone here knows it. I am not arguing against that. By religious cohesion I meant a community that embraces the SAME values and see's the light in the Guru Granth Sahib. If they can achieve this, you take care of one aspect of our social problems.

ANd what's with the George Bush example? That's like comparing apples to oranges. India is a totally different playing field.

I am not rejecting Khalistan entirely on the notion of imperfections within our community. THat is just one side of the story.

I am going to respond to both comments in this post (too lazy to put two of them up).

Vicky, like all Sikhs I do not agree with the events of 1984 or the campaign carried out by Indira Ghandhi. Any competent person knows that it was completely wrong. But the fact that the Golden Temple was used as a military HQ raises my eyebrow. Why? Because it gave the Indian government an even greater motive to attack it with much greater force. Think about it. Sikh militants transformed the golden temple into a MILITARY target by basing their HQ there. It was no longer a holy shrine in the eyes of the government. It was a hideout for what they believed to be were terrorists. This was the Indian government's chance to strike a dagger through the heart of the Sikh nation. In other words, the fact that the Sikh militants staged their operations at our holy shrine confirmed their own fate - operation blue star.

Even if the militant fighters didn't base their HQ at the Golden Temple, I'm sure some sort of action still would ahve been taken against it (indira was attacking most gurdwara's throughout Punjab). But this action probably would not have measured up to the attack on Sikh militants hiding in their HQ (Golden Temple).

Vir Singh, I am not questioning the reasoning behind using the Golden Temple as a HQ. The freedom fighters did what they did.

You all refer to the past as a reason for creating a new Khalistan for the present, but times have certainly changed and the mentality within the Indian government has changed to. Sikhs are an important part of India's current society. Punjab is an integral part of India and India is important to Punja

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BTW, I voted no because I believe we are not ready for a Khalistani state. Why? Because our religious foundation is not strong enough. We must have firm religious cohesion and come together for one purpose. Why are we yelling pro Khalistan slogans when there are problems within our religion? I think dealing with our religion is more important than dealing with separatism.

There's so much corruption and animosity in that country. Even if we achieve a separate state, do you honestly think corruption will end? Even people who call themselves Sikh's are greedy and have a thirst for wealth through unjust means in the state of Punjab.

ive heard of stories of gursikhs which such skill they can deflect bullets with their large karras..

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Bibi Jessika Jeeo

Atleast with a separate Government… our own federal government… we wont have a non-Sikh army attacking Harimandhir Sahib like the Hindus did in 1984.

Sorry, but your comment does not reflect what a separate government will do today. I think a separate government back in 1984 would not have prevented an attack on Harimandhir Sahib because it was used as a headquarters for Sikh militants (stupid idea for basing their HQ at our holy shrine)

sunny.....big fat karas were what they had in the old days.....just like nowadays you find these silly tiny little kirpans you couldnt do a thing with, karas have become so tiny (no offence to the kara) that they are looking like girly bracelets......in the gurus times they had massssive ones to block sword strikes....a kara is a war bangle, not some titchy skinny lil thing

Cool, I didn't know that. But today there are no swords flying around, so the kara itself as a war bangle is really pointless in this day of age...these "girly bracelets" are more suitable.

I have another question. Why do most amritdhari have gigantic kara's? Isn't a simple kara (like mine) sufficient enough. After all, it is a reminder. Does bigger = better?

I voted no.

Wow, you people are really picky! :nihungsmile:

Very cute..

I think that's a fantastic idea. What gurdwara will it be held at ? And I think Yudh is on August 4th? Someone correct me if I am wrong.

- Sunny

When I'm running I inhale wahe, exhale guru. Do that for 30 minutes. I find that at the end I feel much more energized, and it's a relaxing feeling.

- Sunny J.