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Khalistan would be attractive if we had the right leaders to control the country.

E.g. Chardi Kala mahapurkhs like sant ranjit singh ji dadrian wale as jathedar of akal takht and sppc then maybe some one like ss mann (or some one like his thinking) as chief minister where the government would answer to the 5 jathdars of the thakats at akal takht and accountabe to the khalsa panth - through sarbat khalsa.

Imagine if that fool sarna ever became head of sgpc (his life dream), he would make the ragi darshan jathedar and the panth would be in a much worse position than now lol.

Are you the Niddar Singh "Nang" of the RSS who does the "Shastar Vidya" in the UK?

Just want to confirm, if not (you probably aren't) then thats okay and carry on posting. Just so that no one is confused that you might be the UK nang, best to clarify you ARE or you ARE NOT him.

thanksss

Please note the following from a different thread in the 'Politics' section:

No Sant Samaaj "mahaapurakhs" has so far visited the injured Singhs in Ludhiana hospitals.

Please note: Not sure about anyone else, but Sant Baba Ranjit Singh Ji Dhadrianwale have been visiting since Saturday, and Singh's from their Jatha have been sent in turns every two hours to see the injured victims. Please do not spread any false propaganda without backing. This missionary-type false propaganda is not needed during these times. Dhaas also urges you to refer to certain Mahanpurakhs with a little more respect for the obvious reasons.

Please give some documentary proof.We dont believe in hearsay .

The inverted commas show the respect for Sant Samaaj "mahaapurakhs" but with some reservations.

Harjot "Singh" Brar (ie das nimana), you have already been exposed on this forum as a panth enemy missionary with your twisted views, an agent who is posting on this forum to promote hatred, lies and views of those like RSS. first people like you and jalandharsingh (ie Kurtas) will try to act panthic, like you have been trying to act like a follower of Daljit Singh Bittu in the past, only as a cover up then you will slowly start to speak your venom, just like your fathers ragi darshan, dilgeer and the rest of them did. you have only one aim to tell lies and cause friction. you have tried to ruin this topic before and you trying to ruin it again, the admin have made it clear what can and cant do - stop spreading lies and your views against the bani of guru sahib ji. I urge you to stop ruining this topic continously harjot, please, no one wants to hear your lies and views againt the panth!

How to record program from Sikhchannel tv on net ?

Not sure, but its about to start any minute...............................

Anyone know how to record???

*edited*

Sikh youth are desperate for some action plan while Sant Samaaj is believing in delaying tactics perhaps at the behest of badal.

I disagree with you Harjot, along with all other missionary's (Spokesman, ik noor khalsa fauj, tat khalsa etc). I have to agree with S1ngh and apnepart2. Even Panjab Radio in the UK (well-known anti-Panthics) are agreeing with the stance taken by the panthic parcharaks and sants (they even went as far as saying that "we have to give credit to baba ranjit singh where it is due and we wanted to interview him live on our radio but couldnt get hold of him" lol) - so please Harjot das_nimana Brar - please loose the hate and start to agree with everyone else for once (being a heretic anti-dasam granth missionary you probably wont!).

Singhs need to be very careful what they do next, the government wants any excuse to attack and kill more sikhs!

Ragi is a dirty case.

Will drug dealer (someone mentioned earlier) NS Chohan also be releasing a song about the real "Sikhi te kehar" Ashutosh and the ludhiana incidents and the shaheed singh and those who got injured fighting and those in the forefront?

http://dalkhalsa.blo...sations-uk.html

Does Manmohan and Dal Khalsa UK want a "gold medal" for this?

Manmohan has been giving statements out to honour punjabi singers and has been opposing the panthic parcharaks who are in the forefront in punjab now, so why doesn't manmohan and his little gang from southall not go to punjab now and if they do anything there (apart from eating samose) then maybe when they come back everyone in the UK might "honour" them instead.

If they lucky, then maybe kulwant dhesi and tarsem deol of the british sikh council might even give manmohan and co of the INACTIVE dal khalsa uk a gold medal.

Giving a statement on behalf of a number of organisations (some of which are panthic) will not get you a "gold medal" or "honour" or an "award".

No offence.

m16 - how is your Guru - Ragi Darshan the profesor doing today? Go and give him 5 rupees lol. You are just causing trouble on this forum when the panth is busy with the ludhiana issue and remembering the shaheed bhai darshan singh and those who have been injured while all people like you want to do is stir trouble. also, bssf really need to clear their stance now?

SHAHEED BHAI DARSHAN SINGH JI ZINDABAD!!!

Lets carry on discussing this incident and remember the shaheed and those who have been injured.

In reply to das nimana above, I think you are mistaken, almost everyone will agree with people like Inder singh, it is people like you who try to act panthic but are followers and chele of the enemies who need to be exposed. everyone respected you at one time thinking you were panthic, but you have just exposed yourself for what you really are with your BAISED views, your support for those like kala afghana supporters like spokesman, quoting them, and trying to promote the views of heretics like tat khalsa and ik noor khalsa fauj has just shown your true colours. the more these people talk, the more they are exposed for what they are. das nimana and associates like guptsingh84 have just ruined the whole thread dedicated to these happenings and shaheed bhai darshan singh. i beg the admin to put these heretics under moderation or ban them completely for promoting anti-dasam granth views and supporting anti-panthic people and organisations. this forum is unbiased and PANTHIC, theres no room for biased anti-panthic people here, we have enough of them turning up to the marches and the funeral of shaheed bhai darshan singh earlier today (can u believe 15-20 of these people tried to disrupt a funeral of a shaheed singh????)

Tat Khalsa, Ek Noor Khalsa Fauj amongst others were at THE FOREFRONT in this agitation. Their roles are BEING SIDELINED! Why? Because they are anti-Dasam Granth... Where is the unity now?

We are a Panth, regardless of Rehit Maryada and views. We need to stick togheter and not see wheter one believes in kes or keski, Raagmala or not, Dasam Granth or not, meat or not ! This is a threat to the "greater" Sikh nation, we should unite and FIGHT BACK. After we can solve our own issues by Sarbat Khalsa's or anything that is Parmaan to the Panth.

(I am not supporting Anti-Dasam Granth people, but just saying that Anti-Dasam Granth people where there aswell, wheter a Singh from them was martyred or NOT ! )

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa

Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

In My Opinion,

Those that are Against Dasam Patshah Bani Should NOT be included in ANYTHING! This is not a 'territory' Thing! This is about DHARAM! Those Anti-Dharam; Anti-Dasam Patshah Bani People Will Try to get Influence of masses, then Attack Dasam Patshah Bani!! They will try to get into organizations and also Try for Votes into SGPC Etc. to attack Dasam Patshah Bani!! Don't Provide them ANY "STEPPING STONES!"

THEY HAVE LONG TERM PLANS TO ATTACK KHALSA DHARAM FROM WITHIN!!! THINK LONG TERM!! DO NOT INCLUDE THE ANTI-DASAM PATSHAH BANI HERETICS IN ANYTHING!!!! BOYCOTT THEM!!!!! EXCOMMUNICATE THEM!! THEY ARE ATTACKING KHALSA DHARAM!!! WHAT YOU NEED FROM THEM?!?!? THEY ARE THE ENEMIES FROM WITHIN AS WELL!!!!!

TRUE KHALSA DO NOT NEED THEM!!!!!

Just because people have a common enemy, does not make them Friends! How can those who ATTACK Dasam Patshah Bani and Those That Love Dasam Patshah Bani be Friends?!?!?! IMPOSSIBLE!!!!! Those that Attack Dasam Patshah Bani will Use Their Opportunities in the Future to ATTACK from Within!!!! THINK LONG TERM!!!!!

(I also hope this post brings out the Anti-Dasam Patshah Bani Heretics if they are on this site; so they can be exposed here as well.)

BLOOM IS RIGHT. Doesn't matter if its Tat Khalsa or Ek Noor Khalsa Fauj, end of the day they are nindaks of Guru Gobind Singh Ji and of those like Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Ji Bhindranwale, therefore there is no need for them to take part in the panths affairs. Dasam granth bani is one of the foundations of sikhi. no wonder a few of them turned up and started shouting slogans against sant samaj, it wasnt because of sant samaj, it was because they oppose the views of most of the sant samaj like the views on dasam granth.

These nindaks of Guru Gobind singh ji can shout what they want, it doesnt matter, they cant do nothing themself, except about 15-20 of them turned up MAX according to everyone to shout a few jakaare then all of them ran off doing their nindya of dasam granth and decided to turn up at the funeral again to make some noise when the family of the shaheed were trying to carry out the funeral. what a disgrace. both of these missionary organisations should be excommunicated and their 15-20 or so members should never have been allowed anywhere near the funeral or in any panthic march for that matter. SikhSangat does not support nindaks of 10th guru ji's bani, we do not want their anti-dasam granth propaganda here. the panth has awoken to give these nindaks a fitting reply. das nimana, please delete all reference to these guru nindaks, thanks!

I think everyone has agreed to this now anyway for all to forget differences, support all those doing something and unite. so full-stop on that. yeah, all abroad need to make everyone aware as much as possible.

There is already another topic open for this. Also, who is BHAI Ranjit Singh "dhadrian wale"?

Are you talking about Sant Ranjit Singh Ji Dhadrian Wale ("Kaum De Heere")??? Please confirm. Thanks!

Yeah agree with inder singh, dunno about india but uk gold-medal wale, southall dal khalsa of manmohan singh only good for issuing statements and eating samose, while doing nindhia of Guru Gobind Singh ji's Dasam Granth, even though they 'oppose' RSS but dont understand they are supporting them by opposing Sri Dasam Granth Sahib, lol.

With so much going against the Sikh Panth (clashes with Punjab Police, Sikhs being killed), Ragi Darshan issue, Muslim-Sikh issue in UK, Mistaken Identity by the wider community, media protraying a Sikh joining the BNP, hell bent gianis, justice of the widows of 84 Massacre, restoration of heritage and gold of Harmander Sahib, most importantly to unify us (ekta) etc.

A few of us have been thinking that an emergency committee is needed and should be created to commit and dedicate at least a year to recitfy issues and begin to start rectify others whilst being in constant communitcation with the sangath and communicating with wider organsations and government. It should not be just one organisation doing this. An emergency committee inviting a member of all other orgs to work together instead of against each other to rectify or to atleast start to recitfy all these issue that are going against us. This emergency committee should be the voice of ekta of UK sikhs (as it should have a member of active org on board) which can present their opinions or voice to the Akaal Takhat Sahib (instead of having different voices being presented through different channels and different opinions being raised) which leads to confusion delay and nothing being done.

UK active orgs which I can think of at present:

DDT, Nishkam, BSSF, Sikh Federation, BOSS, AKJ, Dal Khalsa, BSCF Possibly their could be more please list if you can think.

They all be approached inviting a member to be on the emergency committe board

Some of these orgs may over-lap and may have individuals that may not see eye to eye, however the invitation will be open to all and they all need to put their feelings aside for the sake of the panth. This emergency committee will have nothing to do or affliated with one jathebandi rather an to attempt to put pressure on govt that all Sikh groups have come together in a emergency group to assit for you to listen and take us seriously. Please let me know of your thoughts and speak to organisations that you may belong to.

I dont want to discourage you from your obvious good intentions but I must warn you that you will have very little luck with some of these groups, from the looks of things our people can never work together without bringing those who are or trying to do anything down, it seems to be part of our nature now.

From the above, the only ones that will try and do anything (or support those in india doing anything) are probably Nishkam Sewak Jatha, Sikh Federation, BOSS, some of the youth from UK DDT also connected with BOSS possibly and just maybe some of the AKJ, all the rest "gold medal wale" are just a waste of time and don't or won't do anything. Where is Manmohan singh khalsa of dal khalsa now and those few gang-type southall youth? BSSF are just good for giving out statements supporting singers (big mistake - should apologise ASAP!), they have no say in panth - a couple of youth trying to compete with BOSS, where is akali dal amritsar (although i respect mann but he sometimes makes mistakes and over does it)? Where is british sikh council's kulwant singh dhesi and tarsem deol etc now? im afraid to say they are good for NOTHING. Even dhesi has backed down in his show yesterday and now decided to support panthic people from the looks of things. Panjab radio and other missionarys? Where are they? Give panjab radio one thing though - this morning they said regardless of their views on sant ranjit singh ji dhadrian wale, they said they have to give credit where its due - so at least panjab radio cannot ignore this truth.

Non of these will help except those like sikh federation, boss etc who will not just keep making meaningless statements without any intention of doing anything. If they cannot do anything here at least they will not bring down those in india and try to support them hopefully.

People and organisations in foreign countries should think if they cant do anything themself they should support those who are trying to and ARE in india, or just stay quiet.

IMHO - The best way is for those who want to do something to carry on. Support those who are doing anything, and the best thing is to do what we can PERSONALLY. No need to keep making new groups that wont work with same people in them who have no agenda but to bring down those parcharaks in the forefront. THE BEST GROUP IS YOUR OWN GROUP AND TO DO WHAT YOU CAN DO, be it financial help, ardas or helping and supporting those who are doing something.

These are my neutral thoughts and views in regards to this topic.

Shaheed Bhai Darshan Singh, a 58 years old Guru Ka Singh who got martyred by police bullets on 5 December 2009 in the Morcha against fake Guru Ashutosh.

He was a sevak of Baba Ranjit Singh Dhadrianwale. He drove a riksha for livelihood. He has left 2 sons and 1 daughter.

Sikh Nation is insisting that they will only do Sanskaar of the Shaheed Singh at the very place in which Ashutosh' program was being held.

This thread is dedicated to the Shaheed.

PARNAAM SHAHEEDAN NU

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa

Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Wahe Guru Ji Ka Khalsa, Wahe Guru Ji Ki Fateh.

can i have more details on bhai darshan singh and what happned?

Nirvair singh bhaji has more details, i think its been posted somewhere but he used to drive riksha and was only person earning in family. he took amrit after listening to parchar of baba ranjit singh ji dhadrian wale and used to go parmeshar dwar and came along with over 300 singhs from there to stop the ashutosh baba, he was in the first jatha and was shot in the head by one of the main police officer officials. really sad what they did to him as he was quite old but fought like a true khalsa and they killed him without mercy. all his family is in khalsa bana and really chardi kala.

26 replies deleted ! Concentrate on the situation rather than who was there and who wasn't. If anyone repeatedly post anything related to dhumma, ranjit singh or bring babbu mann in this topic will get no warning but a ban.

I am going to quote one member's statement here:

Can we remember a singh has been shaheed and concentrate on the current situation and not who was/wasnt there.

Exactly, jalandhar singh just did not stop his rubbish about sant ranjit singh ji (and dhumma or whatever his name is?). We should support everyone who is in the forefront in these times, not try to bring them down. let's remember what has happened and IS happening to our brothers and sisters in India. This is all really bad news.

Apparently there is rumour everywhere that Baba Harnaam Singh Dhuma ran off. Can anyone confirm this, I think someone else has mentioned this on another topic as well. Dhadrianwale in the middle of it all still... More updates please??

He was shot and injured.

Sant Dhadrianwale was shot at and the Singh was injured, but i dunno what Dhuma is doing.

Apparently there is rumour everywhere that Baba Harnaam Singh Dhuma ran off. Can anyone confirm this, I think someone else has mentioned this on another topic as well. Dhadrianwale in the middle of it all still... More updates please??

vaise people should know that Bhai LahiNa jee came to see Guru Nanak Sahib jee on Horse. Baba Nanak jee walked Bhai LaheNa jee to his own house. He didn't tell him that it was HIM that he came to see. And bhai LehNa jee realized his mistake afterwards. And eventually, Bhai LehNa jee ended up being Guru Angad Dev Sahib Jee.

If your are trying to compare this with the situation at hand, then im sorry to say but you are looking to create nindhia . . .

If you don't know what I am trying to prove, you could just skip my post. OK jee.

may be you should learn the def. of Ninda.

Somebody once started a topic on what is ninda, please dig it out and educate yourself. I don't have time to do your homework.

No need to get angry ji! Please for give me as it seems i have offended you, but i really do not understand why you have come up with the comparison.

Veerji, I heard him on SIKHCHANNEL on Sunday or monday night asking for money, right after he was telling the sakhi about bhai roopa wanting to keep the cool water for offerning to Guru Hargobind Singh jee. He said money is needed for making langar hall, darbar hall and few rooms for sangat. He said, "mainu changa nahi lagda dhan mangna, par mainu eh vee changa nahi lagda jadon sangat bahar baiThdee e aa ke, dangara de kol". I see it as twisted way of asking for money. I heard him until that point and I had to then turn off the channel. Its blackmailing on the name of sangat. He also said that tomorrow there would be bhai cutting receipts, so "jihne apna naaam likhauna hai, uoh naam likha deN, te una nu stage te satkariya vee jaaoga".

Please, provide proof? The fact that you swicthed it off and saw it as 'twisted' is a very personal and biased view (no offence intended).

Then what are we talking about??

So, what are you talking about??

I request Sangat to please see beyond him telling Sakhis (which I can tell too, give me few years to learning and then practicing my preaching skills :-))

Okay bhenji, so i take it in a few years - how many??????, you will develop these 'skills'. This comment of yours made me laugh so much calling someones kamai, 'skill' hahahahahahahahahahaahhahhah

I request Sangat to see beyond him getting publicity by having deewans and encouraging people to chhuk amrit. I know the importance of Amrit.

I request the Sangat to not listen to people who get jealous of other Gursikhs.

But I think this whole thing he is doing is politics supported going on.

O really, an would you like to provide some proof of your dirty allegation that you have just made against a Pooran Mahapursh?

There are no. of worms eating our Panth, caste system, jathebandiya, gur nindaks, drugs and these so called-SANTS.

I think you should add, JEALOUSY to the list.

Before someone jumps on me about doing ninda of sants, please see my post under different topic. I am aware. And Guru would put me through naraK, if I am doing some wrong-doing.

If you were aware, then you would not be posting this, it is the 'ego' thats speaks, because if Vaheguru was speaking through us never would we stoop to the level of doing nindai on a forum.

I am not against SANTS, as I reflected in my other posts too. But i am against the bhekhis.

I just heard him challenging BABBU MAAN for singh sajNa and he will give away all his cars. You know its not hard for BABBU MAAN to do that. All my blessings with him to singh saj (what better blessing I can give than blessing one bhatkiya hoya adult to get on track).

Im afraid to tell that your 'blessings' are not going to have much effect, when Mahraaj's Blessing is on His Avtar Sant Baba Ranjit Singh ji.

But I can tell you that this same Dhandriwala is going to have much much hard time to give away his cars than Babbu maan would have to do his NITNEM. Its a winning deal for Babbu maan to go with this challenge. Ik paase apna jeewan vee suaar layooga, te dooje paase, cars vee mil jaNgiya (not that he would want to have, but I would suggest him to possess those cars and give away to the 84 peeRat people, to organizations who go from village to village collecting money or to ones who go to distribute money/things to poor or suffering people, tons more).

This is most laughable, why would they make the statement in the first place if do not plan to through with it?

If I ever meet or get in touch with BABBU mann someday, I would request him to accept the challenge of Dhandriwala and I would request him to challenge dhandriwala to do parchar in trucks and buses and without any bodyguards. His singh soorme should have enough strength to fight off the dusht if ever need arises if he is walking on the path of truth and spreading GURU's word only.

If Dhandriwala can challenge babbu maan (which I think is life improving challenge for Maan) then he should be ready to walk himself on the path of truth and without politics support.

Can you please, please stop making stuff up, they do not have nor need bodyguards, unlike your babbu maan lol!

IS Dhandriwala upto this challenge??

Are you upto the same challenge that you keep whining about to others?

And If he was true SANT, this whole thing shouldn't have happened.

Actually whatever happens, happens in Hukam do you understand this.

He didn't have to challenge the person who is just speaking the truth (yeah, people can tell me I am supporter of babbu maan, which I am not, I am just supporter of truth).

I think every person who has posted on this topic claims to be a supporter of the 'truth'.

I hated to see babbu maan's filthy songs as much as you did.

From, your post its obvious that you hate Sant Ji's parchaar more.

I think he can use his god gifted voice to make the +ve effect on our youngsters. But he is not the one who is having SANT prefix for him. He is not pretending to be what he is not. He knows he is upto no good, when he takes drugs or whatever else bad he does. He knows the right thing for him to be a Guru Gobind Singh's singh one day. yeah, he hasn't got to that yet, but I have a faith, he would.

Wow, you seem to know alot about him are you related?

And I would be as much supportive of Dhandriwala, if he can prove his prefix.

(year right, cough cough) A Mahapursh does not care to prove anything (last of all to you), it is their mauj.

First of all, sants don't live off at the gifts of sangat.

Sant ji does not live of 'gifts' either so thats clear .

Sants have minimal needs of their own. Their top priority is to do naam simran and if they ever speak, they speak in a way of helping the community. They understand the pains of common man and want to take that pain away even if they have to take the pain on their own (remember Guru har Krishan jee, got the cholera of Delhi on him and gave up the chola with chechak and I have heard other stories of sant mahapurash who took pain/suffering of someone on themselves). And Sant mahapurash relate more to common man than a politician. They deal with politician but just as they would deal with average man. They don't use politics support for their own benefit. They make it strict rule about people not touching their feet. The only one we should ever bow to should be SGGSji.

This is EXACTLY what Sant Ji does.

The people who can deny this about Dhandriwala, should really think what they are saying.

I am talking from experience, you use the word 'think' hence using your head = manmat, not Guru Ji's Mat.

There are examples of good sant/mahapurash too. I have sangat of Biggest Sant/Mahapurash dhan dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee so far. may God give me sangat of some human form Sant/mahapursh too one day.

Mahraaj has given us everthing, it is we that dont have the budhi to recognise.

We must always remember when:

KojI aupjY bwdI ibnsY hau bil bil gur krqwrw ]

khojee oupajai baadhee binasai ho bal bal gur karathaaraa ||

The seeker comes forth, and the debater dies down; I am a sacrifice, a sacrifice to the Guru, the Creator Lord.

vaise people should know that Bhai LahiNa jee came to see Guru Nanak Sahib jee on Horse. Baba Nanak jee walked Bhai LaheNa jee to his own house. He didn't tell him that it was HIM that he came to see. And bhai LehNa jee realized his mistake afterwards. And eventually, Bhai LehNa jee ended up being Guru Angad Dev Sahib Jee.

If your are trying to compare this with the situation at hand, then im sorry to say but you are looking to create nindhia . . .

When dhadrewale does its, its like a well rehearsed performance.

Wow really, i didnt know doing swass-swass simran was something that could be rehearsed? So hope you woudn't mind teaching me either?

(By the way - im being starcastic)

^^ only guru granth sahib ji can do true parchar of sikhi the rest of us are just trying

ALL I HAVE TO SAY IT DHINDRINWALE GOT SERVED!

DHINDRIANWALE RESPONSE TO BABU MAAN WAS SO AGGRESIVE, IT REALLY DOES SHOW WHAT KIND OF BITTER MAN HE IS CALLING BABU MAAN "RODA PODA" AND SAYING HE HAS NO RIGHT TO PREACH SIKHI. AND WHO GAVE YOU THIS RIGHT DHINDRIAWALA? DHINDRINWALE WHAT DO YOU DO SIT ON STAGE AND GET FAT OFF SANGATS MONEY?!

AND YES I HAVE BEEN TO HIS DIWANS AND HE IS JUST AFTER POPULARITY AND THATS IT. im not a fan of babu maan and nor do i listen to his music but i would never disrespect him for being mona like dhindrinwale did when he had a tantrum he should just have another birthday party to make himself feel good and call all his chelay to give him gifts so he can stroke his mucha and pat women on the head.

Instead of hiding behind a screen name and writing in capitals, why dont you tell us who you are? or do you not have the guts? or are you going to come out with a fake name? Can you take responsibilty for the crap you have written?

chela getting abit aggresive..i don't have to tell you anything its my opinion and im sticking to it

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