agiaan andhhaeraa

^^ Maybe 'Kam1825' veer ji can shed some more light on this, as previously stated;

The six types of avtars are as follows;

1. Ansa Avtar- his is the avtar taken by rightious kings such as Raja Janak

2. Aveshya Avtar - this is avtars with spiritual powers

3. Kala Avtar - this is avtars with extrodinary powers usually 14 or 16 powers

4. Nit Avtar - This is the Avtar taken by Sants and Mahatmas Such as Baba Ishar Singh Ji Rara Sahib Walae.

5. Namit Avtar - This is where God comes to earth for a short time and does not take birth then dissappears following what work needed to be done. Examples of this are Narsingh and the future avtar of Kalki

6. Pooran Avtar - This is the most powerful Avtar of God before guru Nanak Dev Ji. It was a form which contained almost all powers. Examples of this are Ram and Krishan

Guru Avtar- That is Guru Sahib. There will never be a greater avtar that will take place. Guru Avtar is great of all 6 of them.

Guru Avatar also has huge padaam mark on their feet like how 10 jots guru nanak dev nirankar. They were Nirankar themselves with infinite powers.

To confusingh,

I dont really understand what you mean but if my post offended you in any way then please forgive me, i am not a follower of any jathabandi but i do believe one should study ALL sampardar's and not just a particular jathabandi.

Baba Nand Singh Ji vs Maya

Maya, as you already know is another name of Illusion . We have references from Gurbani indicating that this world is lika an illusion which is not going to stay forever . Maya can also be thought of as a shakti created by Nirankar . After God , Maya is the second powerful shakti . Anything that make us forget God is maya that includes money , property , worldly attachments and so on... Maya also tests or examines the bhagti of God's bhagats , tries to stop them from doing bhagti . As you know to complete a course or get a degree everybody has to pass an examination .

Everybody in this world is engulfed in Maya .

Maya hoye naagni jagat rahi laptaye

Nobody has ever been able to escape from it except a few . Even some of the greatest rishis , munis of their times have lost their bhagti , celibacy due to Maya .

Now i will be describing the encounter of Maya with Baba ji and how He defeated her . And from that day on it never even close to him and used to bow Him from a distance .

Once, around 1 am in the morning when Baba ji were doing bhagti ,maya took the form of a very beautiful girl and approached him . Due to noise of her ornaments His samadhi broke up and when He saw her , He asked her to go away . Maya started showing her charitras . She was trying her best to illude baba ji and destroy his bhagti but he was already one with Guru Nanak . And those who are one with their guru don't have to fear anything . Baba ji did ardas and asked Guru Nanak to save Him. There was a pond nearby . And it was a wintery night . The outer surface of the pond was frozen . When Baba ji realized that maya is not going to stop her charitras , he went into the pond along with His clothes . Then the girl got semi nude , and Baba ji closed his eyes . In the freezing water baba ji got into smadhi and into the dasam dwar . When all the efforts of maya failed , finally she had to leave . She took form of an old lady , bowed to Baba ji and started singing praises of true gursikhs of Guru Nanak and realizing that every time she had approached a true gursikh or true bhagat she had been defeated always .

In the morning when the sevadars came they found Baba ji standing in the pond . Baba ji's body was freezed . They took out his body , provided him warmth . After some time baba ji lowered his swaaas from dasam dwar . Dhan Dhan Sant Baba Nand Singh ji . . .

Vaheguru Ji Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

I am shocked at the sangat's lack of knowlegde to do with Nanaksar and Sant Baba Nand Singh jee. Their jeevan was the meaning of detachment from maya, you cannot find any better example.

As with all jathabandi's, e.g. Taksaal, Akj etc, there are always a few bad apples in every sampardars, so dont judge by one fake,when there is much to be learnt from Nanaksar, for our benefit.

• Sant Baba Nand Singh jee were a Nit Avtar and Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaaj prophesied their coming into this world.
  
• It is commonly known that Nanaksar holds the most STRICTEST rehat, and the most RESPECT for Sri Guru Granth Sahib Mahraaj.
  

As there is already another thread with the same issues, can admin merge this one with that? Or members please post in the other thread?

Vjkk Vjkf!

Aww thanks kaur bhenje, and everyone!! Cant believe im 2 already :lol: lol time flys. . .

I wish i was there !

^^ spot on, this is exactly what Sant ji Dhadrian wale is always saying in the divaans.

Sant Baba Ranjit Singh Ji are one of the very few who are actually in REALITY doing parchar openly against these fake cults, especially this dera, and not just like the majority who claim to do this and that in the papers/media. Hope Sant Ji keeps up the great sewa they do for the sikh panth.

SANT BABA RANJT SINGH JI DHADRIAN WALE!!! :D :Re: :WW:

............It would be so good if they were/are going to come.........but it is wrong to put Baba Ji's name on the poster and advertise as confirmed, when this clearly seems not to be the case and not confirmed.........but if they do come as there does seem to be the chance, then it cant get any better than that..... :aww :awesome ......but what i'm trying to say is that shouldn't put Baba Ji's name on poster or in the text without first having full confirmation................ :pray:

Thanks, please keep sangat updated on programmes and any info on Punjab situation.

Any update on schedule and Punjab situation?

Vjkk Vjkf

Dhan Sant Mani Singh Ji! Dhan their sewa :BOW:

Any audio?

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ke Fateh,

Sangat Ji, I am in urgent need of a high-quality picture of Sant Baba Thakur Singh Ji standing up, holding a Kirpan. Please reply asap,

Thanks in advance!!!

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ke Fateh!

Thanks, please keep sangat updated on programmes and any info on Punjab situation.

xHarinder_singh if you could share more info about your fathers meetings and sangat of Bhai Anokh Singh that would be amazing.

Dhan Dhan Shaheed Bhai Anokh Singh Ji :WW:

Khalistan - Only Solution!

Yes please ask them why they along with Baba Harnaam Singh Dhumma stop other members of the Sant Samaj coming to England due to the raam raheem situation yet now they've come themselves. Also ask them if 'Sants' should practice what they preach.

Aren;t they meant to be at the forfront of the situation surely they can't do alot from here?

i will ask them that qeustion but i think it is takin the mick

bhul chuk maaf

I have heard the same aswel, it is true, but I will not name lol

baba je came to the uk yesterday and are in leicester if sangat have questions for them pls post it up and we will also record them and put it up on the net... you can ask them about punjab and what is going on about ram rahim as they are in the morcha them selves.

thank u

Has Sant Baba Hari Singh Ji given any update yet on the Dera SS situation in Punjab? If they are here, it will be good for the Sangat to know as Sangat will want to hear more about this. Is there any katha schedule made for Baba Ji's uk tour this summer?

This is what happens if you go against Badal. No matter how good and panthic you are, if you go against his wishes and speak for the truth, you get sacked! Badal has too much power in Punjab, he has no right to control what happens in Sikh Politics!

Khalistan Jindabad!

any info on 15th aug rally outside indian embassy anyone?

Please keep all posted about future rallies - I heard that Sikh Times bloke was there taking pictures of the Singhs last time, what was he doing this for when he no longer has a newpaper?

Good question?

ALSO, please please please can this unprofessional, last minute-type, FSO (except Sikh Fed UK) just stop taking over these Panthic events as they dont do much anyway. The more respected and professional organisations like Sikh Fed UK with help of like BOSS, Young Sikhs uk, Kaurageous...etc should just completely take over the organising of this event and others like it in the year (like June 1984 Awareness Rally event). Just my humble opinion.

I take it this is in protest of Ram Raheem and for the remembrance of the recent Shaheeds?

Looking forward to this, shud be good

They would have been at Sedgley Street (Wolverhampton) Day 2 today if they were here :'( :sad:

Any photos?

I love the Kirtan that they do....it truly wicked!

BUT why are they charging between £500 - £1000 for a hour and half of kirtan? That should so excessive....is this normal for Kirtanees?

Charging money for keertan is not chardi kalaa, keertanee should accept the bheta given to them by guru sahib and sangat, otherwise you're only a musician not a guru's keertanee.

How can this be a lie, I was speaking to Charanpreet Singh from KSUK and he was the one told me what they charges are for the their time.

Please don't call me a liar this come directly from KSUK!

If this is true I apologise and its a disgrace but I still find it hard to believe.

Also benti to the organisers tonight can we please get a proper broadcast last night was a joke you couldn't even hear the shabad i'm sure amrit bani can do better than some desi system of putting a phone by the speakers.

I was told also by somebody who has booked them that they paid £500. But this is not for Chardi Kala I dont think, its for KSUK

:LOLz: Such irony!

Not sure about Chardi Kala Jatha or KSUK, not going to comment for no reason without confirmation, but we all know almost all the famous Kirtani Jatha's, those renowned and respected around the world - they all (pretty much) charge high prices for bookings in India and on foreign lands, everyone knows this to be fact these days, suppose it could be considered as their way of living and earning, BUT, heres the annoying part and the irony for the nindaks, when all the normal Kirtani's charge money blatently for doing their programmes, an hours programme, with almost ALL the time NO Amrit Sanchar or Katha-type Prachar, no one speaks, AND when some SANT MAHAPURSH does Prachar day and night around the world, with loads of Amrit Sanchars all the time happening, and it is ALL done for FREE, without charge or profit, without asking for anything, the nindaks of Panth cannot take it, get jealous, and still do their nindya and say "babe" do kirtan to make money or go to foreign lands for making money blah blah. :v1:

Anyway, back to this topic (above had to be said), I think everyone should try to attend at least one programme by the Chardi Kala Jatha and take laha of the beautiful Kirtan they do. Cant wait till the Leamington programme!

Broadcast is realy good! Makes you wish u were there.