THE WARRIOR

You may want to check with your neighbours at times ppl buy electronic anti-fox-cat animal repellents. These devices tend to send out a high frequency tone that is meant to repel unwanted vermin from gardens etc. When these devices start to degrade the tone decreases in decibels so that ppl now can also hear them.

Guru ji is addressing Babbar, watching over your tyranny didn’t you feel any compassion? is the question

Shalok Mahala Nuavan….Guru Tegh Bahadur jis Bani ….it’s so obvious of the human condition.... Should be read daily because this Bani will be read for you after you die while your ashes remain hot…. learn from it as you live!

The problem is you are only following a watered down, modern friendly version of buddism. If you want to follow real buddism or any of these indian school of thoughts then why not do it properly? Presented further below in this post is the danger of the advait mindset which partially exists in buddism. Read Buddha's and his disciples' old literuture (translated into english of course, unless you can read tibetan), for a real view of buddism. Same applies to other schools of thoughts. Forget reading the untrue western watered down books on your belief system. Hear is a small description on a particular part of the text "Mahamaya Tantra":

Moving into the third chapter, the tantra introduces a sequence of verses outlining the rites associated with the ingestion of sacramental substances (samayadravya). The yogī is instructed to gather the five illicit meats (elephant, horse, cow, dog, and human), roll them individually into pellets, and store them for seven days. Next they are mixed together and stored in the cavity of a rotting jackal for an additional seven days. Finally they are taken out and consumed, resulting in an experience of “the great fruitions” (mahāphalāni, v. 3.6), which Ratnākaraśānti identifies as “the state of wisdom.”¹⁹ Though the five illicit meats are common enough in tantric literature, the especially polluting addition of a jackal corpse appears to be a unique contribution of the Mahāmāyātantra. We can understand this distinctly unpalatable process as intended to collapse the binaries of pure and impure, precipitating a more complete rejection of dualistic concepts and, as verse 3.1 states, leading to “omniscience.”

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Then they use visulation techniques of imagining Mahamaya (pure sargun pooja) to so called realise ultimate reality (false sense of realising nirgun vaheguru).

See this dangerous "mentality" of advait. This is one raw old school jugti to get rid of a dual aspect concerning purity/impurity. Others here may want to follow some other nicely touched up jugti which seems like it's ok but as guru sahib sikhs let us leave our faith in gurbani alone and just jap naam with prem and sharda.

There are many shocking unsikhi like things which come up while reading the raw source translations of other belief systems. Also try reading arths throughout Guru Granth Sahib ji and you will be shocked at the criticism of other false belief systems and rituals. Just read common and random shabads you will see guru sahib is telling us something completly different as to what is being preached here nowadays.

I'm afraid without purely following gurbani which leads to gurparsad, one can never realise the One Vaheguru.

Please leave out this advait business...

“The problem is you are only following a watered down”

In Dharma nothing is followed or believed everything is to seek.

One should understand the difference between “LITERALISM AND FIGURATIVISM” The text is purely figurative it deals with taboo, duality, human behaviour etc etc. Even with Gurbani people can’t differentiate between what is literal and what is figurative, these two being the obvious parallels to be understood. In short and as a whole this mentality goes to demonstrate the key issue amongst a growing number of people, an inability to understand not just in literature and education but sadly amongst ourselves between people.

In Dharma we understand it’s more important how we treat one another rather than anything we may do for ourselves including practice, path, pooja, prayers or whatever.

I would just like to say before anyone follows or believes anything they should seek its true nature first, including your own self. Otherwise you will get people who will tell you “we’re under attack” or “we’re sinning” believe this, follow that. Wear this colour wear this Bana. We all know how it plays out. Essentially we’re just replicating others both physically and mentally take a look, you know what I mean.

Take a look at your own “true” nature first, there you will find everything. There the external Guru and the Internal Guru meet, but by your own choice this can be done.

Peace

THE WARRIOR, thanks for being honest about your beliefs regarding not believing in an actual god and that your thoughts are more inline with budda dharma rather then sikhi. Sadly others, through either cleverness or ignorance, still try to say this type of thinking is sikhi, when it's clearly not.

In the end Khalsa belongs to Vaheguroo and victory belongs to the almighty Vaheguroo:

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH!

People are simply be expressive, trying to say we may be speaking a different way from different levels of understanding and thinking but essentially to prove a point others need not fail we can all progress together.

Fundamentally, we can’t fool God by telling him how much we believe in him and acting in a way redundant of his and essentially your own “true nature”.

Furthermore we cannot believe in a Creator and not his Creation.

From a personal experience from being a former plodder rather than a follower of the Sikh religion and now an experiencer of the Buddha Dharma or just the Dharma I have been able to experience more of a “God” now from not believing in a God than when I did think I believed in a “God”. I have observed more Godly experience following The Dharma from “a people” who do not believe in a “God” than from the actions of those that believe in him but totally behaved in a manner redundant of his nature. I have understood more now about being a Sikh by not being one …..yes its all a paradox just as its meant to be!!

There seems to be a growing view that “One cannot be Sikh without supporting khalistan” what is the viewpoint of the cybersangath on this?

The king of the jungle is always disputed between the lion the tiger even the boar, the elephant all at some stage claim victory over territory….however they all have to pay respect when they go to the waterhole … for there is only one true King …that’s the crocodile :cool2:

To summarise it’s as simple as we all have different levels of perception and projection. Gurbani is a spectrum of literal, mythological, symbol, historical and cultural projections which are deeply rooted in Subcontinent belief systems. Not everyone can comprehend, ascertain and digest the deeper thought and knowledge. We are at the end of the day simply arguing over definitions. To summarise know between Nirghun infinity and Sarghun qualities, This is all the illusion and delusion of Miya, focus on The true Parusha . What we are arguing about is simply not real. Someone believes something different to you, get over it. GurFateh'

Warrior ji, i'll be happy to show you my joothi vidya! Something your bibi should have done a long time ago

Clearly I have upset you and spoiled your party, however rest assured in no time at all you’ll broth up more poison to drink or spill, preferably the former.

We can’t clearly live peacefully together so live each other alone and let people choose what path suits them. At the end of the day the arguments are just about definitions and nothing else.

Sure the platform is there, this has been said for many years now but no one else has come forward to say they know the Vidya. There are a few Singhs who clearly say they know but don’t have the Full Vidya and of course there are also those that copy from the Akara and pass it off as their own. Anyhow it matters little.

Well rather than shaming people here on a public forum which is the usual manner in which business is conducted on SS, I suggest contacting any of the co-signers of the letter or just wait for the excommunication to happen or not be it in this case.

Laughable and shameful

There seems to be bugs on the forum Sorry to spoil the Great Slap your own back Seva that you Godly and lovely people are doing I hope some remotely intellectuals amongst you hearty bunch have realised that the so called letter of excommunication is a fake apologies again for spoiling the party however the few days of Super Seva Banter by the Panthic Police Force has been most amusing for this I Thank you! God bless you all and keep up the good work.

Er……Sorry to spoil the “Great Slap your own back Seva” that you Godly and lovely people are doing, I hope some remotely intellectuals amongst you hearty bunch have realised that the so called letter of excommunication is a fake …..apologies again for spoiling the party however the few days of Super Seva Banter by the Panthic Police Force has been most amusing for this I Thank you! God bless you all and keep up the good work.

Singh you shouldn't have left the Sikh Dharam. While its true- protestant, bhausaria, right wingers/lefty hippies type mindsets have super imposed its own tribal thought on Gurmat...the fact the remains- they are unable to hide parkash of truth (Gurmat). Gurbani and its beautiful theology of sargun and nirgun is untouched. As its untouched/un modified your focus should have been that instead of letting tribal thoughts/groups or people putting you off from the path. It's every human birth right to be in Gurmat-Gurbani. Gurmat-Gurbani belongs to whole humanity, people with tribal mindset have no authority holding/hijacking gurmat and shoving gurmat in tunnel..!!

I would humbly advise you as a brother to re-consider your decision and come back to Sikhi fold to only concentrate on beautiful agami agad bodh Gurbani..!!

I didn't say i had left Sikh Dharma.....just the Adharma of religion :cool2:

Returning to this site after a good few years I’m so glad I left the Sikh religion. The pure hatred just seems to flow even more so rampant, as the majority have clearly lost reason and understanding of the true essence of their timeless culture and faith. To the few who carry on against the crusaders of false truths your task here is pointless they’re not interested in any truth only their own manufactured belief systems that they have invested so much into. The formula is somewhat repetitive you only need to look at how many movements and mentalities have come and gone and which one remains. The one that remains may well be the minority but it’s the one that was chosen to last the span of time, by the will of the one who started the true tradition.

Cut Karbooja blind folded one must, this is the true light side, the way of the Jedi. Invoking Kalika, Shakti with Shastars is the Dark Side! (Master Yoda) :respect:

BA51NGH, Singh559 I don’t have any clear pictures the whole incident was a case of minutes however from what I understand some that have been scratched out of the marble can still be seen at the very top as you make your way up the very narrow staircase one in particular is on the left hand side just as you get to the top, just don’t get caught the sevadars that can be difficult. I won’t say what it is or its significance it will only upset people here anyone truly interested could check for themselves.

On a visit many many years ago I managed to find my way to the top of the Darbar Sahib with the motive to see the view being in the central to the whole complex. From what I know this is not allowed however I managed to get up there. I took a few pictures as I walked around there was some restoration work going on just small scale nothing major. However I noticed that there was an area that was older than other parts that had not been re-covered up. The marble and brick seemed aged much more than the area around it that was more modern and in pristine condition. I was shocked to see that old and ancient engravings were being covered over and or being scrubbed out. One in particular was of giant sized women inscale to smaller men, animals around her it didn’t really reflect anything much “Hindu” or “Sikh” nor did I recognise the style of the piece for that matter from any folklore or fable. What its origin was I do not know, however it had been there for some considerable time that I am certain.

I forgot to mention when the sevadars spotted us they were most unpleased a bit of jostling and pushing took place they tried to take my camera however I walked down and people began to gather because of the commotion. They asked me what I had photographed I explained just the surrounding area and not at all the top of the complex itself.

Destiny is what every human being creates for oneself. Fate is when you fail to create your own destiny

Tide of change ahead.

I would like to know is why use Hindu methodology at all? Be it Hindu Symbolism, literalism, History, Folk, Legend, Geography etc In short Guru Gobind Singh Ji could have used any type or formula based on any culture, known or unknown created or he could have as we have today created our own but he didnt. He could have aligned himself with any monotheist mentality but he didnt…..there must have been a reason why, in particular the language and formula of The Granths also demonstrate this.

Guru Maharaj demonstrated how Dharma should be lived and not how it was being lived and not how it had become. The problem we have is Hindu-phobia because we associate a people the Hindus as stone worshiping cow lovers we instinctively dislike these Pagans….so why are they such a threat?

The future should be based on alliances to Humanity and not who or what people worship. People need to move away from being fearful of being assimilated or being swallowed. The fear is just propagated to various agendas and are baseless. There is no great science here or majestic wisdom just common ground for people peace and humanity...Three things Sikhi is all about.

Bijla Singh Stated "

"Taking everything literally will misguide us and we end up building a Gurdwara in some mountain."

Dude that's blasphemy

"Taking everything literally will misguide us and we end up building a Gurdwara in some mountain"

You're referring to "DustDaman" and "Sri Hemkunt Sahib"

you have clearly overstepped the mark! blinded by your own Muth and False ego! Shame