THE WARRIOR

Sanathan means Timeless. Which is the essence of Sikhi Dharma. “Hind” “Hindu” etc is a title based on a people and place labelled by geographical matter i.e the people of Hind…Nobody started a “Hindu” religion, no Devi or Devtha or any other demi gods ever claimed to be a “Hindu”..........and .......people need to get hobbies some pple spend too much time on here!!

Brother, Dasam Pita has written in detail about Rama Avtar. We should look to our father firstly for knowledge. Guru Ji has certainly not deemed Bhagwan Ji to be imaginary. Thats good enough for me.

Too right!!

Catholicism has strong roots in Latin/South America etc. There are many different mixtures of faith systems that incorporate Mary the mother of Christ as a figure head and Earth mother symbolism with the indigenous cultural faith.

There are different levels of understanding when it comes to belief, faith and devotion. There are plenty who believe in non-imagery non-symbolism non-ritualism and are totally void of humanity.

I had to listen to it twice since I couldn’t decipher the Blackman linguistics, obviously a reflection of the characteristics of the narrator. It is somewhat strenuous to keep hearing the same old broken record again and again and fence sitters winging on about girls legging it from homes with Muslims and it’s our fault because we failed them! What were their parents teaching them? A bit of common sense is all that required here and obviously void. Substance wise it’s poor, blaming different schools of thought and Singhs for the poor state of education in regards to Sikhi etc. I would have to disagree and say all the different areas and schools of The Panth over the last few years have done an incredible amount of work to provide support and awareness. It is somewhat strenuous to keep hearing the same old broken record again and again and fence sitters winging on about divisions etc etc…I would just like to say over the last few years all the different groups i.e. Nihangs, Taksal, Akjs etc have all strengthened and they will continue to do so and the vast majority get on together fine for the common interest and good of the Panth, we’re positive, successful, growing and educated and don’t talk like Gangsters LoL!

There are many forms of Shiva, not just one. As there are many meanings to Shiva. There are many cultures that also worship a form of Shiva. People need to understand the difference between reality, mythology, symbolism etc. To say its false is also not correct because whatever is conceived in the mind as thought and is conceived in the heart as devotion is very real.

Most ignorant people associate turbans and beards with terrorism….why on earth would a would be terrorist want to dress up as a Sikh!!

In the most part the programme was about her experience, her journey; in fairness I think she was clear about that. People will always be divided in opinions; that’s life. The problem is people aren’t smart enough to understand that and have surmised if what’s being said is not what they believe then naturally it’s false and untrue. This is because people have built their lives around an ideology convinced themselves that what they know is an ultimate truth, when that’s challenged they are challenged, their very way of living is challenged.

Khalsa is incomplete without Sri Dasam Granth And Sri Sarbloh Granth……as incomplete as not having Kesh and Shastars.

Ive been training in kickboxing since i was a kid, lift weights adn am 90 kg of muscle, I would crush this midget

I'm sure it's 90kg of Ego! :rolleyes:

It could be because Buddhism concentrates of self analysis, first you understand the “I” before anything else.

I bow down to this earth the biggest rock of creation and evolution…….obviously it makes me an idolater and a hieratic. :cool:

Is anyone aware of this monkey Monmohan singh khalsa

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_23-11-2002_pg7_11

There is never going to be a khalistan so either we fight for making a better world as we are or we throw punjab back into troubled times. you are severley deluded. stop listening to pakistani muslims who are pumping the situation

Also when i said respect before 1984 i meant the common man had respect for anyone in a turban but after it all changed they were seen as terrorists and evil doers and guess whos fault 1984 was. I know indian government etc.

Anyway if you want to fight for khalistan i suggest you go there and make it a reality, you are not doing anything sitting behind your computer you keyboard warriors.

or you could declare southall khalistan or malton in toronto as that would be more likely and you live here. i would say to you midn your own bubiness.

Monmohan Bajaj a racist and a fascist, figure head for Dal Khalsa organisation U.K……brainwashes other peoples kids to run his crusades and do his dirty work whilst keeping his own from harms way….usually you find his lad getting drunk on a Friday evening at the local Karahi restaurants whilst scoffing down kebabs at the same time. But what does that matter the village people still love him.

I read the words “Indian democracy”….laughable as khalistan.

sanjam kiriya, from shastar vidiya.

Do tell...

Furthermore the GUPTA Empire and ASHOKA Empire United more land mass of India than even the British, In fact parts of modern day Afghanistan were also annexed to India in those times.

Agreed, but my question still remains unanswered. What was the outcome? Where are they now? Also, I don't think you could compare these kingdoms to the Khalsa Raj description given out by Bhai Sahib Bhai Rama Singh Ji. Some people also hold the view that it was British who "united" India. Remember India is a mixture of a huge number of languages, religions, cultures, norms, societies, customs, cuisines, complexions and what not. It was the fight against British imperialism, according to some historians/scholars, that brought all of them together as a united faction.

But coming back to Khalistan. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. No one is going to sue you for posting your views online LOL. The choice is yours. You want to abide by the words of SatGuru Ji and the vision of His Gurmukh pyara Singh, or otherwise. This debate on Khalistan has taken place on a number of online Sikh forums way too many times for the past Vaheguru knows how many years. There is never a conclusive result as neither side is ready to back off LOL. Both present their views, logics and arguments quiet well, and defend them pretty good as well.

However, the fact remains that the wounds of 1984 continue to remain unhealed. Justice hasn't been served. I would like to request the anti-Khalistan brothers to please go and present your views to the mother who saw her innocent teenaged son burnt to death in Delhi in November 1984, or to the father who saw his young and unmarried daughter gang-raped by the Punjab police officers in front of his eyes in the late 80s. Maybe achieving Khalistan will not heal their wounds, but atleast we can be sure that never again will any mother have to see her innocent teenaged son burnt, never again will a father have to helplessly be witness to the dishonor of his "phullaan vargi dhee" at the hands of those who hold power.

Ashoka was probably one of the greatest Kings in world history he states

“It is forbidden to decry other sects; the true believer gives honour to whatever in

them is worthy of honour, All religions should reside everywhere, for all of them desire self-control and purity of heart.”

The problem being the pro-khalistanis such as your good self make claim the ones who do not agree with you must also naturally (because this is how your kinds mentality works) be pro government, pro indra gandi, pro rape, pro murder of Sikhs, Yes?...further more because there are people who do not support your cause and camp naturally they support the other side…there are no sides…there is simply the truth, however brutal or beautiful it remains unchanged. The nature of the khalistani mentality is such it’s predatory instinct is to latch on the unsuspecting mind, feed it with awe and passion and give it cause be it a false one as in this case. Let me make it clear so you and others can understand the murder of non-combatants is a crime be it government or khalistanis, this is also international law. The rape and murder of people is also a crime against humanity and God, let me make that clear also. Both sides committed crimes both sides are guilty. So in my opinion, on the back of murder, rape and terror you cannot build a nation. Khalsa Raj cannot be born from travesty and lies.

Separately, Some one asked Where are the descendants of these great kings? Where are the descendants of Gupta? Where are the descendants of Ashoka?....so where are the descendants of Ranjeet Singh? Maybe you could answer me that!? In comparison his empire was a shadow of Guptas and Ashokas.

The Khalsa Raj is kingship that is motivated by Dharma as all monarchs should be Guru ji clearly states this in Zafarnama; there is no one else but Kalgidar Patsha himself Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj that could be sat on the throne because all others are fallible and have proven themselves to be so, simply not up to the mark.

In a way you are right based on these maps, but the question about Khalistan is not about who ruled how much land for how long, but about who could/can rule justly. We have seen Islamic and Hindu regimes already, and there are enough who will support both of them. That doesn't change the fact about what they did or are doing to those who don't subscribe to their ideology. These kingdoms were purely political in nature and were inflated because of the kings' greed for more land. Khalsa believes in miri and piri, therefore Khalistan would not be a purely political entity but a religious one as well. It will not be attained because of one man's greed for power and will not subjugate a differing opinion or way of life.

Thank you for proving my point…..do the math! Dont just look at the pretty pictures! LoL! If you could put up the Ashoka one that will be also very helpful!

"These kingdoms were purely political in nature and were inflated because of the kings' greed for more land!"

i dont think so!

Khalsa Raj is not Khalistan!! stop the brainwashing!

That may be your opinion, but the facts are that there was no unified India as we know it until the British came. Before that, there were dozens of independent kingdoms but never a single country.

Actually you’re wrong, The Ashoka and Gupta empires and others ruled the vast majority a unified India and other bordering lands, more than what it is today.

I dont know if you didnt read it properly or are trying to lie to people

ਕਿਤੇ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਸੇ ਕੀਟ ਕੋਟੈ ਬਨਾਏ ॥ ਕਿਤੇ ਰਾਮ ਸੇ ਮੇਟਿ ਡਾਰੇ ਉਪਾਏ ॥

किते क्रिसन से कीट कोटै बनाए ॥ किते राम से मेटि डारे उपाए ॥

Somewhere He hath created millions of the servants like Krishna. Somewhere He hath effaced and then created (many) like Rama

what people like you do is pure beadbi and lies - you should be ashamed

on the same page is also says

ਦਿਸਾ ਬਿਦਿਸਾਯੰ ਜਿਮੀ ਆਸਮਾਣੰ ॥ ਚਤੁਰ ਬੇਦ ਕਥਿਅੰ ਕੁਰਾਣੰ ਪੁਰਾਣੰ ॥੨੪॥

दिसा बिदिसायं जिमी आसमाणं ॥ चतुर बेद कथिअं कुराणं पुराणं ॥२४॥

Thou hast also created the directions, the indivcations, the earth and the sky. Thou hast also related the four Vedas, the Quran and the Puranas.24.

Great post!

"Warrior"

- produce one piece of evidence to back up your claims about Sant Ji.

Forget all the bs you've been fed by Niddar, and accept the facts. Read the book I mentioned before, read Cynthia Mahmood's book, ask Baba Nihal Singh Ji about Sant Ji, ask Jathedar Surjit Singh Ji, if you know how to contact them .

Listen to their speeches at least and see for yourself what they stood for. Was Sant Ji at the other Gurudwaras that were attacked? Again I ask, if you believe it was 'flexing' between Sant Ji and the govt, why did they release him without any charge?

The struggle was against anti-Punjab and anti-Sikh bias from the central govt. Out of all our Sikh leaders, only one stood up and faced them without any desire for personal gain or power. Khalistan had nothing to do with it.

We sit on our backsides and moan on the internet all day against stuff happening in the world then go about our daily lives without doing anything about it. The difference between Sant ji and us is that they did what Guru Ji instructed them to do, rather than talk about it.

(By the way, I'm not Taksali or anything else.)

edit: point out any lies about Niddar.

Okay….er you good godly people say Guru Ji instructed Jarnail Singh!! ( I rest my case)

Anyway guys...At the end of the day you righteous godly people come on here and slander and tell lies about Nidar Singh Nihang , not that he needs defending just that you people need to be told you’re distorting the truth and telling lies.

Anyhow Thank you all for your time and trouble and helping me kill a bit of time!

Chatanga, Firstly you should ask Buddha Dal since I’m not a member (I don’t have an i.d card) :)maybe you also would like to know why they didn’t do anything after the Nazis Gassed millions of jews also, it’s easy to generalise. [MOD EDITED]

if the common people hated the kharkoo singhs why after the elections in 1989 wer all 13 seats taken by khalistanis? 10 of the 13 taken by candidates backed by simaranjit singh mann's united akali dal which was bascially formed by the all india sikh students federation. sounds like the people spoke in favour off the kharkoos to me. they formed the punjab gov for 6 months and openly talked about khalistan until presidents rule was imposed again. until 1991 when beanta was elected after a turnout of only 10 percent (most none sikhs) because the common people boycotted the elections. in the short few months that the Mann gov was formed he was denied his legal and constitutional right to enter parliament were he would have declared khalistan.

half a million sikhs wer said to of attended sarbat khalsa in 1986 to declare khalistan. nearly all sikh men. think about this. there are 20 million sikhs in punjab. half are men. half of those would be children or old men maybe unable to travel. even tho the government stopped many sikh attending sarbat khalsa still half a million sikhs attended. so dont chat rubbish about the common man not being with the kharkoos at that time.

So where are they now?

Murdered, de-famed, jailed & tortured or live now in exile and would risk death if they were to return to India. Today there are still thousands of Sikhs held in India's prisons with no charges, no bail and no legal representation.

In May 1993, while campaigning in support of a candidate during the Jalandhar by-elections, an assassination attempt was made on Mann by a gunman associated with the Congress Party.

thats a fair questions u asked i guess and i tried to answer it best i can. but the point to my reply previously was that at the time of the declaration of khalistan at sarbat khalsa it had the support of nearly all the sikh people as proven by the turnout and elections in 1989. So any hukumnama that was issued regarding this at that time would have been the will of the sikh people.

Whether or not the sikhs in punjab support khalistan now is another issue. the original point remains that the kharkoos at the time had the support of the sikh people.

At the time….so what changed 20 million peoples opinion?

"live now in exile"

how many 10 million 15? how many live in exile?

I believe in Dharma which is Sanathan in nature, is there something wrong with that?

If thats what floats you boat go for it! however do not try and pass off sikhi as hinduism. They are 2 very distinct and individual dharma's and not the "hindu Sikh sanatan" CONcocktion that your baba's are trying to pass off to the gullible zombies that congregate at your "shiv" (or is ranjit) akhara

Since you are the beacon of truth please state where and when I have at anytime or place stated any of those ideologies or beliefs?

you cant

Or has your hate mongering driven you to lie and distort so much that you convince yourself it’s the truth?

Looks like "Warrior" is up to his old tricks again. Typical sanatic, I remember his baba used to the same trick at his ling bashing sessions where he would tell us all how he used to invade the other akharas and the kharkoos would try to attack him with their ak47's. I wonder how baba jis flawless system will deal with what the future holds - "drop the knife, drop the knife"

if the common people hated the kharkoo singhs why after the elections in 1989 wer all 13 seats taken by khalistanis? 10 of the 13 taken by candidates backed by simaranjit singh mann's united akali dal which was bascially formed by the all india sikh students federation. sounds like the people spoke in favour off the kharkoos to me. they formed the punjab gov for 6 months and openly talked about khalistan until presidents rule was imposed again. until 1991 when beanta was elected after a turnout of only 10 percent (most none sikhs) because the common people boycotted the elections. in the short few months that the Mann gov was formed he was denied his legal and constitutional right to enter parliament were he would have declared khalistan.

half a million sikhs wer said to of attended sarbat khalsa in 1986 to declare khalistan. nearly all sikh men. think about this. there are 20 million sikhs in punjab. half are men. half of those would be children or old men maybe unable to travel. even tho the government stopped many sikh attending sarbat khalsa still half a million sikhs attended. so dont chat rubbish about the common man not being with the kharkoos at that time.

So where are they now?

Its called rounding up and fake encountering then replacing with fake sanathan imitations. oh yeah I forgot about the burning of ancient texts in thakts sahibs library and then propergating the introduction of fake stories, texts and frescos : )

I believe in Dharma which is Sanathan in nature, is there something wrong with that?

The fact that you’re a neo-religious Sikh makes you a better person than me and automatically right? because you subscribe to your closed group mentality and opinion makes you right? Well if the righteous right and good suffer from tunnel vision and a discriminatory mentality I guess I’m pretty happy being wrong and bad!

Btw being so morally correct you shouldn’t be telling so many lies

if the common people hated the kharkoo singhs why after the elections in 1989 wer all 13 seats taken by khalistanis? 10 of the 13 taken by candidates backed by simaranjit singh mann's united akali dal which was bascially formed by the all india sikh students federation. sounds like the people spoke in favour off the kharkoos to me. they formed the punjab gov for 6 months and openly talked about khalistan until presidents rule was imposed again. until 1991 when beanta was elected after a turnout of only 10 percent (most none sikhs) because the common people boycotted the elections. in the short few months that the Mann gov was formed he was denied his legal and constitutional right to enter parliament were he would have declared khalistan.

half a million sikhs wer said to of attended sarbat khalsa in 1986 to declare khalistan. nearly all sikh men. think about this. there are 20 million sikhs in punjab. half are men. half of those would be children or old men maybe unable to travel. even tho the government stopped many sikh attending sarbat khalsa still half a million sikhs attended. so dont chat rubbish about the common man not being with the kharkoos at that time.

So where are they now?