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vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!! As much as i am tempted, i will not reply on this thread anymore vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!! Firstly I've have tried to base my points around Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and have tried where ever possible to back my points with what Guru Granth Sahib Ji says. It seems to me that you have based your arguements on your opinions and haven't provided sources or evidence to back you points. Its clear what Guru Ji says about other faiths:"The Hindu is blind and the Muslim is one-eyed. The Lord divine is the wiser of the two. The Hindu worships at the temple and the Muslim at the mosque. Namdev serves that Lord, who has neither a temple nor a mosque." (Bhagat Namdev, Gond, pg. 875) I've said already twice that there is nothing wrong at all in visiting other places of worship for observance and to understand other faiths: But why??????? What is the sole purpose of a Gurdwara????? So you can go to a Mosque or Mandhir instead. Did you even read what i posted about Guru Nanak Dev Ji? Guru Nanak's parchaar was of Truth, not "I'll go and pray in a mosque and mandir so my Sikhs can do the same." He wanted Hindu and Muslims to realise that there is Only One, whether He be called Alllah or Raam. You say Sikhs can worship in a mandir withought idol worship, arti and any other Hindu practices. So whats the purpose of a Gurdwara, so we can worship waheguroo with idol worship, arti and any other Hindu practices? Can you do all this in a mandhir, mosque or church. No i think not. Even Bahgat Kabeer Ji Says (Raag Sorath Page 654) You said: Sikhs follow Truth, Guru Granth Sahib Jee. Bani came from Waheguroo (Raag Sorath Page 627)Dur kI bwxI AweI ] dhur kee baanee aaee The Bani of His Word emanated from the Primal Lord. therefore Sikhs did not originate from Hindu ancestors but Waheguroo. Respect everyone. But you cannot honestly say that you would give your social friend and Guru Jee the same status and respect in your home? Guru is our Only True Friend who will stick with us no matter what we do. Your social friends are materialistic in the world which we live in. If Bhagat Kabeer Ji was a muslim then why has he written Bani?. Why wasn't he doing parchaar of Islam? Because he was a Gursikh, a Sikh of Guru Nanak just like every other who has composed in Guru Granth Sahib. Up until Guru Gobind Singh, the way of initiation was "Charan Pahul": Wasn't Bhagat Kabir Ji a Sikh accroding to this? If his Bani is in Guru Granth Sahib Ji then wasn't he a disciple of Guru Nanak? If you say NO then you have no Vishwaas in Guru Granth Sahib Ji at all, and this isn't a hardcore statement, its blatently obvious from your posts Can other people please put their views forward. vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!! And isn't Sikhi already filled with rituals and practices from Hinduism? We've been lost since these practices were slowly put back into Sikhi by our own people who are dogs are for the Indian Government.Tose who have knowlegde and practice Sikhi will laugh, but the majority don't understand and these ridiculous practices have already become a part of their lives. Firstly you can't compare your friends from your social life to Guru Ji coming to your house. Thats that. Secondaly there ar e no hardcore conclusions. What i said was quoted from what the pardaan sahib from Guru Gobind Singh Gurdwara at the time of vasakhi said. He said "they wan't to pay respect", whats wrong with that. He was invited by Singh Sabha to the Gurdwara to question him about what was going on with the Nagar Kirtan-Seen as Leeds Road was where the Nagar Kirtan was starting from. The same Pardaan justfied his answer by saying "Both Hindu and Muslim Bani is in the Guru Granth Sahib." Now if this is came from the Pardhaan of a Gurdwara, then what are the thoughts of the Sangat. Obviously the same. Please give your reasons. Be fair i've given you all the possible reasons, but you still come to this conclusion. Justify your answer. Theres nothing wrong with going to other places of worship for observance of other faiths for your knowledge, but if your saying its ok to go and do idol worship, because thats what they do in a mandhir then you are completely and utterly wrong according to Guru Granth Sahib Ji vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!! vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! Ehh...Singhni i wasn't even replying to your post. My reply is on a completely different topic: RSS and Nagar Kirtan! I think your getting your wires crossed. :T: Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!! Tell me this, can Naam Abhyaas EVER be negative? The only correct way to Naam Jap is from the NAAM that Punj Piare give in the presence of Guru Ji. vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!! Very true. I shouldn't presume there is one but i will try to confirm this. Regarding RSS, the whole issue is being looked at from the surface. Your very right in saying that we should be strong enough to visit the Mandir. But here's where RSS and other Hindu organisations are 1 step ahead of us. You know, I know and they know that Sikhs at this present time are not united in the Panth. How can we be when there are people in main organisations of the Panth are running around like dogs for the Indian government and implementing more of th e Hindu beliefs into the Panth. Because they know the majority of sikhs dont have a clue and are vulnerable, they ask for Nagar Kirtan to stop outside the mandhir. Why? So they can drill the idea into the Nagar Kirtan sangat that Sikhi is part of Hinduism!!!! The other reason they give is that they want to pay respect to Guru Ji????? Guru Ka Ghar (Gurdwara) is open to anyone and everyone for them to pay satkaar to Guru Ji. So why is the Mandhir any special?? Its not wrong to visit any place of worship whether it be a church , mosque or mandhir to expand your knowledge on other faiths and to understand what goes on in their place of worship. But if your saying "Oh i don't want to go to the Gurdwara today, i'll go the Mandir today" then that is completely wrong for obvious reasons, the first one being idol worship is completely against Gurmat. Secondly, you being a Sikh will complete contradict what Guru Ji Says about idol worship: Go to http://www.sikhlionz.com/rss.htm to see what kind of things they distribute about Sikhi. correct me if i'm wrong, did not Guru Nanak Dev Ji not visit a masjid? Guru Nanak Dev ji visited a masjid but still worshiped the one mercifull waheguru beacuse he saw no difference in allah and waheguru. vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!! The following Gursikhs will be doing Kirtan Seva: Bhai Manmohan Singh (California) Bibi Amrit Kaur (California) Bhai Parmjit Singh (Jallandher) Bhai Jasvir Singh (Chandigarh) Bhai Manjit Singh (Glasgow) Giani Amolak Singh (UK) Bhai Apardeep Singh (UK) Bibi Kuldeep Kaur (UK) ...and others vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!! Just a couple of questions: What does the metal wiring used for holding chand/khanda signify? (very sorry don't know the proper name) What are reasons for leaving the top of the dumalla open with the keski underneath showing and not covering it with the outer fabric vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!! A humble request to all to attend the first ever UK North Samgam and to bless everyone with your presence and Sangat. n style='font-family:GurbaniWebThick'>vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!! Need some help with soundforge 6. I got live recording kirtan on md and i have put it on pc using soundforge. The recoding is good quality but the only problem is that the karkale/shenai are a bit to strong. How would I go about softening/ decreasing the loudness of the karkale and perhaps raising the kirtanis voice? Anyone an expert in using soundforge please help. MKhalsa Jee, I'm sure you use this software? vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! Very true. Guru is our eternal teacher, but you point about if Maharaaj is at a Gurdwara or Mandhir I disagree with. The whole message of our Gurus was that there is Only One Waheguru and along with living in this world our prurpose is to Naam Jap. We go the Gurdwara to darshan of Guru Ji, "Man Neeva Karkai". The gurdwara is open to anyone wishing to do the same as long as they abide to the basic Gurdwara principles. So why do we take Guru Ji places like the Mandir, So Guru Ji comes to them first? Why not instead of Going to the Gurdwara, we stay at home at let Guru Jee come to us? However Guru Granth Sahib Ji also says: SGGS p.428 Guru Amar Das Ji Its a matter having love for your Guru: SGGS p.1412 Guru Nanak Dev Ji What i meant by the Hukamnama was that 'in the procession of the nagar kirtan' Guru Ji should only be taken to Gurdwaras and nowhere else ie. Mandir. Again if people want to pay respect then they should join in the Nagar Kirtan and follow behind in the foot steps of Guru Sahib. I can't believe that you think the Mandir has no links with RSS. Hasmukh Shah who is one of the 12 international trustee of VHP, a hindu nationalist group has strong links with the mandir. Their whole aim is to make Sikhs believe they are part of Hinduism, and the way they want us to believe is by taking Nagar Kirtan to the Mandir. They didn't just decide one day that we want the Nagar Kirtan to come to the Mandir, they have aims and objectives behind the plans Open you Eyes! Sorry if i have offended Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! Bhai Sahib, from reading this I presume (please forgive if i'm wrong) that your view clashes were about jaath paath. You are most likely to be aware that the caste system was eradicated from Sikhi from Guru Nanak Dev Ji alway to the creation of Khalsa. Fair enough. You are entitled to your own opinion but can u explain how you came to this conclusion. By explain i mean to say what was said to you. Singh Sabha Gurdwara does respect others peoples view points, as long as it is in line with Guru Granth and Guru Panth. Where there is something false being done in terms of parchaar, then its not a matter of respect, but a matter of right and wrong according to the Sikhi. A prime example would be the issue of the Bradford Nagar Kirtan this year, atking Maharaaj to a RSS based Hindu Mandir. There is actaully a hukamnama (I think) st ating that Guru Granth Sahib not should be taken to and rest outside any other place other the Gurdwara. Now many other Gurdwaras in Bradford protested and did something about this. None! It was only Singh Sabha who organised youth to give out leaflets (as there was nothing else we could do) outside the Hindu Mandir. We were also called "extremeists and troublemakers". If doing parchaar like this is regarded as a "millitant style upbringing" then so be it. Your right. Guru Granth Sahib Jee does give SadhSangat a high status, but not "chillaz". If we accept the sangat for what it has become, is that it then? If its full of "chillaz" does it stay at that? No. It is accepted of what the sangat has become, which is why there is much parchaar being done to change the situation from "become" to what it "should" be. sqsMgiq kYsI jwxIAY ] suthusungath kaisee jaaneeai How is the Society of the Saints to be known? ijQY eyko nwmu vKwxIAY ] jithai eaeko naam vukhaaneeai There, the Name of the One Lord is chanted. Sorry if I have offended Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! Veera, i get the same looks when i go to the other Gurdwaras in Bradford. People presume your some "baba ji" becuase you wear bana and dumalla. I'm nothing. There is a lot of youth in Bradford, but i think the problem is flirting between girls and boys at the Gurdwara. This is everywhere. Kaam is so powerful, that little things like flirting seem nothing you. The one gurdwara bradford project is huge. The only way to do this is in my opinion is to hold camps, seminars, kirtan darbaars, rehnsbais organised by all the Gurdwaras put together doing parchaar of Guru Granth and Guru Panth. There are regular camps held at various Gurdwaras in Bradford, but everyone tries to keep the organistaion and content of the camp between a few. This is mainly due to personality clashes and parchaar of different maryadas, whereas there should be parchaar of only one maryada, the Akaal Takth Rehit Maryada. Gurdwaras are beginning to do more parchaar in bradford, but i agree with Jagjit Singh when he says Singh Sabha are most active Gurdwara in Bradford. But that doesn't mean that all other issues don't go on. There is caste, but its not shown and there people in the Gurdwara who have a backward thinking and try to change the gurdwara, akaal thakt maryada to what they heard from some baba or sant ji. Bhai Surjit Singh ,Punjab did parchaar at khalsacamp and then came to Bradford from Saturday to Friday and did parchaar. Up until wednesday the programme was broadcasted on punjab radio. he said "that the rate that sikhi is going down now, there will be nothing left in the years to come. Its important that w e educate the youth who will be the ones running the gurdwaras and doing mass parchaar for the Panth" Bhul Chukh Maaf Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! The Akhand Kirtani jatha Uk North smagam will be held in Leeds and Bradford from 12th to 15th November 2003. The smagam will be based at Singh sabha Gurdwara, Bradford, with Asa Di // every morning. Then in the evening the smagam will visit various Gurdwaras. The main rainsbhai will be on the 15th November at Chapeltown Gurdwara in Leeds. There will be an Amrit Sanchaar for all those wishing to be blessed with the Gift of Amrit. Gursikh international kirtani sevadaars will be arriving. "Aavo sajjana ho Dekha darshan thera Ram, Ghar Appenare karee thakan, mae mun chow kanera Ram." My Lord beloved, I await your darshan, In my house, I await you with much anticipation. More details will be released soon. Book your holidays now. Accomodation will be availbale for all sangatan. Sevadaars: Bhai Kamaljit Singh : 0797 1185457 Bhai Amrik Singh: 01274 407670 Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! Pyare jio, The 4th Annual leeds & bradford Sikh youth Camp will be held on 11th-12th October. It will be held at Singh Sabha, Grant street, Bradford. The day will start from 9am to 6pm. This years camp has beeen completely reformatted, so those who have attended all the previous camps, will still find something new. A benti to the sangat to let all freinds and relatives know aswell. It is open to youth from & years old to 16 years plus. It is organised by the youth for the youth. "To teach someone Gursikhi is to touch their life forever." All details, application forms, and poster are on the official website - http://www.sikhyouthcamp.com also pictures from last years camp! Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!! Think logically... If there is akhand paath going on would we start doing kirtan to make up for the mistakes. Afterall kirtan is gurbani, just like japji sahib. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with doing japji sahib, but in Gurus Darbar, where there is SaadhSangat present, there should only be one thing doen at once. Mistakes should be avioded whilst reading Bani, but mistakes are bound to be made seen as we live in a kaljugee world. But like everything, at the end of doing akhand paath we should ask for forgiveness for any mistakes. If JapJi Sahib is done in silent, who will benefit, the person doing the paath, not the person doing akhand paath. Mstakes are not made up this way. Also if akhand paath is being done, and at the same time JapJi Sahib or any other bani is being read, how are the sangat suppose to concentrate on what is being read? According to the Akaal Rehit Marayada: THE CODE OF SIKH CONDUCT AND CONVENTIONS CHAPTER-VI Taking Hukam* (Command) Article VII b. In the course of the congregational sessions, only one thing should be done at a time : performing of kirtan, delivering of discourse, interpretative elaboration of the scriptures, or reading of the scriptures vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!