Pheena

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A microphone is provided with the accessories which works very well Or you can spend 70 bucks on a better one if you know a line-in will not always be available where you are recording.

Can this mystery every be expressed by thoughts of the mind or written with words?

My dad once told me that when a child is born, he is closer to God without trying than it will ever be.

Now, this made me think, why do religions in general, and even Sikhi :-( scare us about what happens to us after death, and yet neglect to tell us what happens before we are born. Where is the soul whilst the baby is in the mother's womb, for example?

This leads onto a wider debate about religions frightening us into submission, but please do not post about that as that is not what I am getting at in this thread. Thanks. :-)

Once you are thrown in the ocean, your first reaction is not to find out how you got there, but to first get ourself out of the water, swim to a shore for safety. Time being of utmost importance it would be wise to put efforts towards swimming to the shore as the end of the river which is a waterfall approaches fast. Fear can guide you, given the fear itself is utilized properly or Fear as you are interpreting can become submissive to the point that you are held captive by a mere tool that is suppose to give you urgency that you are going to die so do something, swim to the shore now!.

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?act=Se...ighlite=%2BKaam

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?act=Se...ighlite=%2BKaam

Some good and bad advice has been given in these threads in the link...tread these thread wisely...listen to what you heart agrees with and practice it. See if it works.

Whenever I mentally/verbally criticize someone because of the vices they exhibit, usually a few days later I end up doing exactly the same thing I critized them about. I always feel it's Guru Saheb lovingly poking me as a reminder of the above. I'm sillie.

Let us pray that in the future we will realize this before we take such action to criticize others. I often find myself criticizing a relative who drink alcohol and after having a long, outdrawn and mostly fruitless discussion in their addiction to alcohol I find myself contemplating on my personal addictions that arise from these vices.

To be aware of the mirror in our mind which causes us to see our own face is in itself a blessing. Fortunate is he who is still able to hold on to some awareness either before or after their error....there still remains hope for change!!

I believe it would be naive for us to think that these 5 vices are different entities separate from each other. We cannot be selective and say only this vice is affecting me while the others are under control. Either all are under control or none of them are. They are interlinked with each others...as anon said Attachment is the source for the other 4, then it is only valid to state that the Ego is the source of Attachment. As long I am, then all the 5 thieves exist equally. One may dominate you today, but another one might tomorrow. To state one as being dominant is to state that all of them are being dominant as they stem from the same Ego source. That one vice is equal to the other 4 it just takes a different form .

Often people will speak against Lust or Anger or Greed etc and criticize other or belittle others who have such tendencies. They feel they can speak to others in such a manner because they don't feel lust themselves, but given time to observe them they might be Angry in their manner or Greedy about their possessions. How hypocritical it would be of us to judge another for the vice dominating them and failure to see that another dominating us.

just some observing thoughts.

BandagiNama

Spirit Born People

Some books can be found here:

http://www.gurmarag.net/SikhAwareness/Text/

thanks alot guys and gals...Wiser are still those who lift others higher even if they are unworthy.

Tea Leaf - jado tu cha shud ditee odo

Mr. papi ji...mayra viah the wait na kar....shaid paila kal yug khatam ho jaaan the sumbhavna jada hai.

There was a a great seeker who would rise early in the morning to meditate. He'd walk up to the Ganga river wet his blanket in the frigid cold water and wrap it around him so his mind would stay awake and not fall back into sleep.

Cold water is an instrument to awaken your mind early in the morning. Let us not create a dogma around it that somehow God expects "only" cold water to be used. Using Cold water in a Rehatnama ensures that the Saadhik who does indeed awaken in the morning will remain awake if he was instructed to bathe with Cold Water.

Use it as an instrument, not as Gospel. If indeed you wanted to awaken yourself in the morning your mind would've come up with using cold water regardless if you were instructed to do so by a Rehatnama or not.

It is irrelevant to whom Daan is given to, but it matter with what intentions...It become Karam Khand when it is given with the thought that you are going to receive something in return, either from God or the person you gave the Daan to. If given without ego and expecting something in return only then is it Daan otherwise you are simply creating Karma.

Papi made an excellent point. There is only one Daata(giver)...let us not fool our egos into thinking that we too can be Givers to others. Whatever it is that we are giving to others is from the treasure of what the only True Giver has given to us. Beggars cannot be givers, they can share from what they have begged from the Giver.

i was reading something very interesting today so i just thought id share some of my thoughts..........

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....................you realise that the idea of a new age woman is not nessecarily the best kind of woman to be.........and is actually someone you never actually needed or wanted to be.....

Bhul Chuck Maafi

Thank you for a thought provoking post :s

If the world outside is in a Trumoil, one cannot hope to live in this same world without the Turmoil affecting him/her. Perhaps because you yourself are a female and can easily relate to the oppressed females you are infact taking upon their cause even though you yourself have experience neither oppression nor persecution. It is perhaps our human nature to be sympathetic towards others and if we have a common bond with the other we are more inclined to do so.

Many White men took upon the cause of Slavery alongside Black men even though they were not slaves. Perhaps you are not fighting to free yourself from oppression or lack of inequality, but perhaps in your actions you are voicing those women who are indeed oppressed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8NXb7aplmU

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no offence, but a lot of sikhs don't know much about their religion. So I am not surprise to see how the guy in the video doesn't know the 5 K's.

There is a difference in not knowing and having a memory lapse. Please refer to buddasingh's Post, he has explained it very well.

Who/What says that I am the Soul? Who creates the thought of association with the Soul and a Mind? Is the mind looping on itself to create its identity? Does the Mind have a soul when it forges the thought that I have a Soul? Who is this I which associates itself to the Mind, Thought, the Soul and the Body?

What in the world was in the email? :s

Who then can claim to know his mystery?

Does enlightenment, sachkhand solely exist because of delusion and ignorance, if they dissappear so will enlightenment? delusion and ignorance exist because of enlightenment , when enlightenment ceases ignorance and delusion will also cease?

should we be on guard against thinking of sachkhand or enlightenment as a "thing" to be grasped after, lest it, too should become an obstruction. When the mind that was in darkness becomes enlightened, it passes away and with its passing, the thing we call enlightenment passes to

The Guru exists only as long as the Deciple is a Deciple, But when the Deciple is no more, the Guru cease to be as well.

About 'Sachkhand is Vaheguroo himself', it's hard to word exactly what I think, but going back to Vaheguroo permeating everything around us, I think that the only reason we dont realise his presence is because of Maya also being present.

Could it be that it is because of the existence Maya that you are allowed to feel this separation.....Perhaps it is not that Maya blocks you from Divinity, rather it is Maya that makes it possible for you seek such Divinity.

Man can claim to be lost only when he can recall his destination...otherwise wherever he is, it is his home.

Here is another good discussion.

http://www.sikhawareness.com/sikhawareness...ce+heaven#54526

Tarkay Dunia, Tarkay Ukhbah, Tarkay Maulla, Tarkay Tark.

I Renounce the (desire for) World , I Renounce the (desire for) Heaven, I Renounce the (desire for) God, I Renounce the Desire for Renunciation.

A starting point for understanding desire is to differentiate between unhealthy and healthy desire. Unhealthy desire undermines psychological health, producing what Buddhism often calls "suffering" for short. Healthy desire can contribute to psychological well-being, happiness, and peace. If we place healthy and unhealthy desire on a spectrum, at one end we have the motivations that lead to some of the worst and most horrific things people do. But at the other end, desire expresses some of the most beautiful and noble aspects of human life.

One way to distinguish the two ends of this spectrum is to differentiate between craving and aspiration. When the Buddha pointed to the cause of suffering, he used the word tanhà or thirst. It represents desire which is in some way compulsive, driven, and therefore not easy to let go of. This kind of desire is often accompanied by clinging, contraction, tension, or pressure.

Craving has its costs. People have destroyed their lives by acting on their addictions. When craving has the upper hand, it is all too easy to make poor choices. Freedom, that is, free will and the ability to choose wisely, is easily compromised. Craving takes a toll on our bodies when it expresses itself as physical tension. And it can take an even bigger toll on our minds: constant wanting can exhaust the mind. Left unchecked, craving can lead to an alienation from our self. Unfulfilled, craving can all too easily turn into frustration and anger.

One of the surprising discoveries that we make in mindfulness meditation is how pervasively and constantly the mind is under the sway of craving. This thirst is the primary reason the mind chases after its own thoughts.

An important function of meditation is to calm down the incessant churning of desire so that we can discover at the other end of the spectrum our deeper wellsprings of motivation. When surface concerns and chatter quiet down, among the beautiful things we can find are our aspirations. The etymology of "aspiration" (like "spiritual") is rooted in the Latin word for "breath" (spirare). This points to the close relationship between breath and aspiration. Craving tends to contract the breathing; aspiration surfaces most easily when our breathing is relaxed and open. In the same way that natural breathing can't be an act of will, so too the motivations and sense of purpose that come with aspiration can't be willfully generated. Staying aware of our breathing can keep us close to what inspires us.

I've heard a Great Master who said once, if you wish to have the joy of attachment and desire then attach yourself to God, then desire God himself.

is there another source for this link besides a blog.

Why are today's youth so intolerant?

Recently I was talking to a Singh and he brought up a few controversial issues; we kept talking about it for a while. At the end of our conversation - throughout which, I NEVER told him my personal views, just told him why some Singhs believe what they do - he started bashing Panthic Singhs who are SHAHEED and said that he never wants me to talk to him again. He said all of this because he claimed that I 'doubted' BaaNee.

Throughout the conversation he kept getting frustrated because I 'doubted' the brahmgiani's he mentioned, as well. He kept accusing me of calling them liars. When Singh's - from a different Jathaa - who believed something different were mentioned, he dismissed it, saying that they were wrong.

Now I understand why he may feel hurt that people are doubting what he considers GurbaaNee, but I think he took it way too far. He didn't want to talk to me ever again! Why do the youth do this, when Gursikhs of all Jathaa ignored differences in Rehat and loved/respected each other?

Such intolerance can be seen even on forums like this and others. It is a habitual reaction of our ego to react with anger when someone doesn't agree to our views. It is our unwilling to listen or even unwilling to consider that perhaps, just perhaps whatever the other person has to might also be true.

you should forward this quote to your friend.

“The disciples are so large of heart that all views of life taken from different angles have some truth for them.

One infinite is comprehended, yet another infinite remains to be understood, and there yet a new infinite. There are myriad of skies, there are myriad of stars and myriads of Nether Regions. There is no end to vastness.

So take up a view and give the seeing of it as you see, to others if you can; but be charitable and forgive them if they do not see as you see. For they, too, are led on the Way by Him who leads you.

This is the spirit of reverence for knowledge. Never talk lightly of efforts that others are making to know God. All are moving on to Him. All progress of soul is towards God. Those of you who are educated should be still more humble…”

Prof. Puran Singh

Spirit of the Sikh – Vol. II, Part I

^^^ Amazing book, and even more amazing writer!

can i purchase this book online?

i've tried google, but no luck.

I dunno how i cuda missed this post... sorry pheena..

http://www.sacha-sauda.ca/search.php?action=10&s=Y

go there, and put the title in the search... u can also search by writer n get all the books they have for that writer..

you my friend are awesome :lol: Just ordered 2 copies.

^^^ Amazing book, and even more amazing writer!

can i purchase this book online?

i've tried google, but no luck.

and what does guruji say?

Paahe gahe jab te tumre tab te kou aankh tare nahi aanyo|| Raam Raheem Puraan Kuraan aneyk kahai mat eyk na maanyo||

O God ! the day when I caught hold of your feet, I do not bring anyone else under my sight; none other is liked by me now; the Puranas and the Quran try to know Thee by the names of Ram and Rahim and talk about you through several stories, but I do not accept these

Sinmrit Shaastra Bed sabhai bahu bhed kahai ham ek naa jaanyo|| Sri asipaan kripaa tumri kar mai na kahyo sabh tohe bakhaanyo||863||

The Simritis, Shastras and Vedas describe several mysteries of yours, but I do not agree with any of them. O sword-wielder God! This all has been described by Thy Grace, what power can I have to write all this? (863)

yes let us ask what the Guru Says:

This Shabad is by Guru Amar Daas Ji in Siree Raag on Pannaa 84

pauVI ]

pourree ||

Pauree:

spq dIp spq swgrw nv KMf cwir vyd ds Ast purwxw ]

sapath dheep sapath saagaraa nav kha(n)dd chaar vaedh dhas asatt puraanaa ||

The seven islands, seven seas, nine continents, four Vedas and eighteen Puraanas

hir sBnw ivic qUM vrqdw hir sBnw Bwxw ]

har sabhanaa vich thoo(n) varathadhaa har sabhanaa bhaanaa ||

O Lord, You pervade and permeate all. Lord, everyone loves You.

siB quJY iDAwvih jIA jMq hir swrg pwxw ]

sabh thujhai dhhiaavehi jeea ja(n)th har saarag paanaa ||

All beings and creatures meditate on You, Lord. You hold the earth in Your Hands.

jo gurmuiK hir AwrwDdy iqn hau kurbwxw ]

jo guramukh har aaraadhhadhae thin ho kurabaanaa ||

I am a sacrifice to those Gurmukhs who worship and adore the Lord.

qUM Awpy Awip vrqdw kir coj ivfwxw ]4]

thoo(n) aapae aap varathadhaa kar choj viddaanaa ||4||

You Yourself are All-pervading; You stage this wondrous drama! ||4||

After re-reading the historic Hindu prayer, Zed said .....

Very stupid move.. We do respect all religion but that doesn't mean we agree with everything in their dharam..

What was the stupid move?

"After re-reading the historic Hindu prayer, Zed said that one had to act for the benefit of all. Despite our seriously different traditions, we should learn to live in some sort of trust and mutual loyalty. God, as a sign of God's bountifulness and generosity, positively willed the existence of different faiths, he added."

http://forums.waheguroo.com/Sikh-Temple-In...Zed-t21987.html

Im not the only one confused about the Hindu

why are you confused?