Pheena

She is certainly not Sikh, she's hindu. She propagates the hindu Mantra “Hari Om”. Although it may be a good manter, but it certainly is not a Sikh manter. Sikhs do Jappa of the Gurmanter. She basically propagates Snatan Dharm. But i am still of the belief that modern day Kalyugi Hinduism is not a true successor to the Vedic Dharm of the previous Yugs.

veer ji, im not going to argue about what religion she is, but i've been listening to her for over a year now, she has never stated she is hindu or ne other religion. She has also recited teh Waheguru Mantra, does that make her Sikh?? she has also recited Allah Huu, does that make her Muslim.

In any case, i was just curious if anyone here has listened or heard of her, because she is curently vising the U.S now. She is holding a Smagam in Houston on the 4,5,6 of OCT.

Waheguru.

She is a Hindu. I have also heard her Kathas. Very interesting…Her Kathas are usually more philosophical rather then Dharmic. She usually talks more about human nature rather then Bhakti…But just because I listen to her Kathas does not mean I believe everything she propagates. I just filter out all of the un-Sikh stuff. I listen to a lot of Kathas of different Sadhs and Sants, even if I don’t agree with 100% of what they say. For example, even though I don’t agree with some things that Baba Maan Singh says and does, yet I love listening to his Kathas.

veer ji, she has no religion. you probably think she is hindu cause she speaks in Hindi. That is only a medium she uses so the majority of the people can understand hindi. She has also done some translation of Japji Sahib, Rehraas Sahib, and Choapai.

What do u mean by un-sikhi stuff???

waheguru. B)

sometimes it can also be a flash of a memory from a past life which we have re experienced...

but doesn't it feel like something you've done in this life, imean the environment is the same and so are the characters, but its felt as you've repeated this in the same body....

dunno thas how it feels to me... :T:

I took some Tye Kwan Do, for about a year, didn't like it too much, too much kicking.

Then i took up some Okinawan Karate, i thought it was pretty good, a well rounded system. Also if you do get into some Tye kwan do, i've noticed that most of them offer too many belts, just so they can make money every time u take a test. Because every test is extra money or it was when i did karate. But Okinawa karate had only 5 belts and did not follow the all of the color spectrum of green/yellow, yellow/ purple, Purple/orange with the striped yellow.....i think u got my point. but watch out for those who offer too many belts.

Hope that helps out some

Waheguru.

or she was also know as Gurpreet kaur??

www.gurumaa.com

Her Katha is played on Sony TV every morning at 6am central!

there are only 2 gurdwaras and the one which i attend ain't gonn have tha samagam.. cauz they just had it last month.. so i guess it mite be in other gurdwara sahib..?? or maybe the new fijian gurdwara? yeah.. u can let me know :umm:

it is being held at the

Sikh Soceity of Sacramento or something along the lines

7676 Bradshaw blvd or rd

Sacramento

do u know where that is?

Waheguru.

its a glitch in the matrix

i kinda live around sac city.. and i never heard of any dodra samgam?? :T:

BTW, Where it's gonna be at ? (gurdwara?)

im not sure exactly where its gona be at, but im sure its gona be a gurudwara. Im flying from Texas to cali, to meet up with my bro so we can go together. if u'd like to know i can ask him for you.

Waheguru.

chalo jay waheguru nay Sanjoag bana-ay, so we'll meet.

Waheguru.

have you been to the one in Dallas ever?? i've been there for the past 3 times. If so i might've seen you around!!!!

Is ne one going to the one in Sacramento the 26 - 28th of September???

you can't just say that god does not test us. There are tests given to those who are on the path. I agree with both, the test aspect of it and the Karma aspect of life. If you go to sangat for a while and you feel to begin the change happening in your life. A even might occur to test that if you really have changed or not. Now you can either take that as it was meant to be as a fruit of my bad deeds in teh past life. But it was also a test to see if within you the Anger arose or the worrysome aspect of what is going to happen now. If you have passed the test, you have accepted whatever happened as the doing of Karta Purkh. If not you will complain and cry about something which was obviously your own deeds that came to bite u in ur chittar.

You are tested to see if you have being to grasp:

Dukh Daroo, Sukh Roag Bhai-a

Ja sukh taam na hoi

Tu karta karna mai nahi,

Jo hun kari na hoi

hope that helps somewhat

Waheguru.

Sikhforlife veer jee, i understand and respect your opinion, but that doesnt make it right, please try and support that opinion with bani.. you cant.

as for pheena, no disrespect veer jee, but you have yet to learn the ways of naam, I am not expert either but panj have blessed me with this gift and i have had sangat of great naam abhyaasi gursikhs who definitely do know naam. These kinds of things you learn, i am just trying to share. Once you do receive this naam, trust me the dhun of naam touches you, and I am sure many of my gursikh veers/bhens on this board would agree with me on that.

Mkhalsa: perhaps u r right veer ji.

As for calling that Kathavachik a false speaker i feel is rather pre-mature, without having a discussion with him about his message that he wanted to present to the sangat. It is very likely that he was misunderstood. I think before ya'll jump to conclusions and talk about slapping him or associating him with kala Afghan, those that were there when he spoke need to talk to him. But i wasn't there so i don't feel right accusing him of something that i did not hear.

even if you are doing simran like a machine with no attention to it, it will help you (unlike recitation of bani without attention).

why?

because the dhun (sound, beat) of naam itself effects you to the very core. Remember the vibration of naam simran is pervading EVERYTHING in this universe. So even if you sit there and do simran without any thought to it int he world, it will still help you in the end, because that beat sticks in your mind and helps ur soul.

just like if you were to put on a tape of simran (saas giraas) in the background, 24/7 (even during sleep) it will effect you quite a bit, even if u dont pay attention to it (trust me ive tried this).

so in the end, sitting like a robot and doing bani over and over, not much of a positive effect (except maybe the ability to sit for a long time or have some kind of concentration excercise) but sitting like a robot and doing simran is better than not doing it at all (well actually same for bani) but is also good for you as it effects you down to ur core and if u notice even later on your lungs have that feeling of simran going on even if ur doing something else.

so if i sit there reciting Waheguru and my mind is wandering away in worldly things and im looking around at the clock to see when the hour is going to end. My simran having no love or devotion behind it, how exactly is that g

oing to help me??

I agree with you on that its better than nothing, but still sometimes even if ur doing simran without the mind, it is next to nothing. You do japp for your mind not the toung and not for god. The mind has to get involved at some point in naam jap.

To have the full benefit of naam Jap your mind must be involved and in attention to the naam. Reciting it like a Machine is mostly useless in my opinion. I just don't understand how can something in which the mind is not involved help the mind. I can agree that the naam jap like a machine is helpfull somewhat, but it is minisecule compared to naam japp done with your mind.

but i do feel what u mean by having simran playing 24/7, that does help as ur doing ur daiily duties. But i am refering to sitting down and doing simran for an hour.

So he literally said, Don't Do Naam Japna?? or did he try to direct his message towards doing Jap in a monotonic way??? If he sat there and said don't do Naam Jap, im sure the rest of the sangat would've been like Waaaaaaaaht?? and the Bhai sahib of gurudwara would've asked him to explain what he was trying to say. I think its just a misunderstanding. I doubt his intentions were to defer the sangat from Japping the naam. But then again now a days everyone got their own interpetations of what the SGGS's message is.

Perhaps someone here might know where i can download more this bhai ji's kirtan. There is no music, just singning Bani. Im hearing it right now on Sikhnet.com radio and thas the only place i've heard it.

Im posting a clip that i have which is not complete.

Download here

Any help would be helpfull ji

Waheguru

hte obvious choice is keertan, but as for the rest of the choices they all are unique in their own way, and it is the interpetation/meaning of the song that matter not what the beat behind it is or how its sung.

This past weekend at our Gurdwara, a Sikh "Scholar", don't remember the name, came to do some shabad translations. The kids/teens had just finishing doing kirtan, and also some Simran. He begins to translate a shabad and there is a line about naam and naam japna in the shabad. He begins to translate, and then, looking in our direction, he says, let me tell you what naam is. When naam is mentioned it does not refer to a name, it is about a feeling. It doesn't mean to say a certain name physically, it just means that you remember him however you like, and he kept going on that one shouldn't be doing naam japna and so on. It disturbed me a great deal when he said this. We then did anand sahib, with Simran. Sangat jeeo, what are your feelings about this? This person was misleading the sangat. And he is was introduced as a "scholar". I am actually still upset by this.

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

it is possible he was referring to in which only the tounge is speaking like a parrot with no feeling. Simply reciting the name will not help unless your mind is not along with the ride. With the mind comes the Feeling of reciting the name with love and devotion.

Perhaps u misunderstood what he was saying or he didn't explain himself very well.

Waheguru.

Please Define what

A Sikh is??

What is Amrit??

And who/what would u consider a Kathapanthi??

sorry that makes it 3 questions :umm:

Please TRY to define this thru the SGGS.

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The Lord continually watches, and hears everything, O my soul; he alone is afraid, who commits sins.

A wise man is that which learns from others mistakes, an Average man is that which learns from his own mistakes.

To commit a mistake is not a crime, but to repeatedly commit the same mistake over and over again is Moorakhta.

There are 2 types of people who pray, those who say that i will not commit any sins so please god forgive me. The other god i will make mistakes because i don't know any better, but when i do make a mistake bless me with budhee to not make that mistake again.

Personally i don't really know why did Guru Gobind Sahib asked for 5 piyarays to take amrit, I've been told different stories..... if it was that important for a Sikh to take Amrit why wasn't it clearly written in the SGGS My GURU, why am i faced with such confusion??  That i cannot seem to comprehend.  Sometimes i get tired of thinking and just want to not think nemore,  It is pointless for me to think and think only and not be able to act.  I am very lost about this Amrit.

Isnt the fact that Guru Gobind Singh himself got down on his knees and took amrit himself enough for u?

it is enough to make me want to take amrit, but it does not answer my question of what Amrit is. I will not blindly take amrit, because im told im suppose to just so i can say im a Sikh. I need to have somewhat of an understand of what Amrit is. Taking Amrit is not and should not be taken just so i can have the lable of being a Sikh, i feel being a Sikh is deeper.

omg its like talking to a brick wall

u GET the gurmantar when u take amrit........without the gurmantar u will not receieve spiritual amrit raas as a sikh..........

i will quote the bhai gurdas line

Gur Deekhya Lai Sikh, Sikh Sadaayaa

its honestly not that hard to understand.

deekhya is physical baptism when one recieves the gurmantar.

bhai gurdas clearly says that one can only be a sikh once the guru has given them deekhya or PHYSICAL amrit.

i dont understand what part you are missing. your not a sikh till you have pledged your full alleigence to the guru!

I apologize for being a Brick Wall waheguru ji, i am just a Moorakh Manmukh trying to comprehend which seems obvious to you. It is not that i do not understand what Bhai Gurdas is saying, it is very clear and to the point, but i have been taught a different meaning of what Amrit is thru the SGGS. I present my views from my undestanding of what Amrit is. Simply saying they are wrong does not help me. I feel you are gettin aggitated by me, that i do not want and i sincerely apologize.

Your views are without taking the Physical Amrit, you cannot obtain the Amrit of the Shabad, What i've been taught is that you can obtained the Amrit in the Shabad without taking the physical amrit and i am a sikh if i follow the SGGS with my heart and have

love for the guru. That his Name is Amrit, no where in the SGGS do i find that i need Physical Amrit before i can acheive the Amrit of his name.

Bhai Gurdas's bani is not written in the SGGS, Why not?? Do i follow other Sikh Bhagats bani as well, Do i follow the Dasam Granth and also live according to that?? If my Guru is the Sri Guru Granth Sahib, then do i surrender myself to only him, and no one else?? Do i also follow other books about Sikhi?? Waheguru this is getting me no where.

Personally i don't really know why did Guru Gobind Sahib asked for 5 piyarays to take amrit, I've been told different stories..... if it was that important for a Sikh to take Amrit why wasn't it clearly written in the SGGS My GURU, why am i faced with such confusion?? That i cannot seem to comprehend. Sometimes i get tired of thinking and just want to not think nemore, It is pointless for me to think and think only and not be able to act. I am very lost about this Amrit. Im presented with 2 different views, I want to accept both of them but I have not yet fully understood either of them.

Is there an ONLINE translation or if its only Gurmukhi of Bhai Gurdas's Bani. If so would u kindly give me the link.

My deepest apologies for getting side-track....waheguru.

Can someone PLEASE define What AMRIT is?

hey clever clogs, ur not listening to what im saying

why not read bhai gurdas varan // 3 pauri 11 and give me the line

in the context deekhya does not mean amrit as in gurus word, it means physical baptism, in this context charan-de-pahul.

a sikh is an amritdhari. theres no 2 ways about it.

Before you start to jump down my throat, im NOT against the Amrit of our 10th guru, im simply trying to give contrast between Amrit of the Shabad and Amrit you drink literally.

What do u take from this line in the SGGS??

The Shabad is Amrit; the Lord`s Bani is Amrit.

If I am drenched in the Shabad of the Lord, If all i utter is his Bani, all i see is him, Do i still need to t

ake the Physical Amrit??? If god bestowed his mercy upon me and i reach that point, i become drenched in Amrit. OR is your answer that i cannot obtain this status until i have taken the Physical Amrit??

i do not have Bhai Gurdas's bani, if u have it handy please do post it or direct me towards it from where i can obtain it.

I believe i have taken this thread away from the original question, for that i apologzie.

Waheguru

hahah this is so funny.

do u think u know better than bhai gurdas? because he has already said what a sikh is.

"one is ONLY a SIKH of the GURU once he has been blessed with BAPTISM"

what part dont u understand? what excuse are u going to make......your not a sikh till uve taken amrit........dont kid urself!

Mr. Khalsa Soulja ji, When did i say Amrit is not necessary.

Exact meaning of a Sikh is A deciple, A learner. So if im a Diciple of the Guru ji, would that not mean im a Sikh. I did not state what is required to become a Diciple, whether its wearing a Kirpan or just Devotion with love to the guru, i do not yet know, i've heard many things. But it is something that i must findout for myself. So don't assume im against taking AMRIT. Simply and ONLY Taking AMRIT does not make you a Sikh, there are far more important things that are associated with being a Sikh.

so i wear the 5 k's, I am a Sikh according to what is onthe outside, but no one but me and god know knows what resides on the inside. The MOST important part of a Sikh is what lies on the INSIDE, not the outside. The outside is necessary to give contrast, to give others a visible view of what might lie within that GurMukh. There are 2 Amrits, one for the inside world one for the outside world. The outside Amrit is obvious, the inside Am

rit is the Bani of Waheguru...the Shabad. You drink the Amrit of the outside with your mouth, you drink the amrit on the inside with your mind.

Amrit is not something that is Visible, Amrit is what one utter from his mouth. Amrit is what can be seen in someones eyes. By Drinking the Ambrosial bani of the Shabad , you have drank the Amrit.

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The Shabad is Amrit; the Lord`s Bani is Amrit.

amrit sabad amrit har banee

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The Ambrosial Amrit is his food, and the Ambrosial Amrit is his clothes; O Nanak, through the Naam, the Name of the Lord, greatness is obtained. ||1||

amrit khaanaa amrit painnaa naanak naam vadaa-ee ho-ay. ||1||

Before you start to jump down my throat, im NOT against the Amrit of our 10th guru, im simply trying to give contrast between Amrit of the Shabad and Amrit you drink literally.

Sikh = learner

The one in whom the desire to learn is born is a Sikh. To Sikh ( to Learn) about God thru the Guru or any other means. He become a Deciple of the Guru, if he is a deciple he is a Gurmukh because he is learning from the Guru, he is putting the guru's word ahead of his. A manmukh (not sikh) is whom the desire to learn is not yet born.