18 minutes ago, proactive said:

British Sikh Council are miles apart from the wasters of Khalsa Aid. BSC has been working with poor Sikligar Sikhs for over a decade by building Gurdwaras and helping them economically/ Longer term they want to relocate some of the Sikligars to Punjab. 

British Sikh Council will get a donation, Khalsa Aid needs to disappear obscurity.

1 hour ago, puzzled said:

I understand what people are saying concerning Khalsa Aid and how they are giving money to Muslims. The Slough mosque alone raised £126.000 for the rohingya muslim community and sent many volunteers over. Now this is one town (slough) in the UK alone, now imagine how much £££ was raised by Islamic charities in the whole of the UK ?    Its so stupid of Sikhs to go over to rohingyas and give them money when Islamic charity is already going over to them from all over the globe. Now who is helping Sikhs though? Sikhs are flying out to islamic countries when their own people are suffering in places like Afghanistan, and then there's our sikhlighar brothers who get treated like trash by brahmins in places like madya pradesh.  Its actually very frustrating! makes your blood boil.    Who ignores the plight of his own people and decides to help people who millions around the world are already helping.  

13 hours ago, YOYO29 said:

In india you have Modi.In Ameica you have Trump so in that scenrio you can't really blame if some muslim countries start doing the same.

https://www.sikhnet.com/news/harmeet-kaur-leads-republican-national-convention-ardas

On 9/17/2017 at 5:53 PM, superkaur said:

That's another great post and several points I agree with.  I was also going to raise the point about some idiotic naklee Sikhs would be actually crazy enough in welcoming in of muslim rohingya to indian punjab which would be an absolute demographic disaster for Sikh majority and now economically poor punjab.

As much as I have sympathy for the rohingya as a human being as a humanitarian I would never welcome them to india let along punjab at most I would give my 2 pennies worth to help contribute some sort of food for them and get bangladesh or Un or muslim countries resolve the issues they having with burma buddhists.

Also another issue is that the buddhists have been facing hundreds of years of religious and ethnic cleansing of traditions dharmic lands by muslim invaders and hordes from Afghanistan to the steps of central asia to the far east all was hindu lands then and then buddhist land but always in the hand of dharmic open eastern faiths. The abrahmic faith branches do not have that peaceful co-existence mindset, their mindset is demographic take over and population replacement with their faith group either through warfare or population demographic replacement through missionary work, breeding out through love jihad with non-believer women or higher birth rate. And sadly thats the dangers the buddhists have know realised is facing their countries of sri lanka, burma, thailand and so on if they dont get their muslim populations on a tight leash.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism#Spread_of_Buddhism

Spread of Buddhism

Buddhism may have spread only slowly in India until the time of the Mauryan emperor Ashoka, who was a public supporter of the religion. The support of Aśoka and his descendants led to the construction of more stūpas (Buddhist religious memorials) and to efforts to spread Buddhism throughout the enlarged Maurya empire and into neighbouring lands such as Central Asia, beyond the Mauryas' northwest border, and to the island of Sri Lanka south of India. These two missions, in opposite directions, would ultimately lead, in the first case to the spread of Buddhism into China, and in the second case, to the emergence of Theravāda Buddhism and its spread from Sri Lanka to the coastal lands of Southeast Asia.

This period marks the first known spread of Buddhism beyond India. According to the edicts of Aśoka, emissaries were sent to various countries west of India to spread Buddhism (Dharma), particularly in eastern provinces of the neighbouring Seleucid Empire, and even farther to Hellenistic kingdoms of the Mediterranean. It is a matter of disagreement among scholars whether or not these emissaries were accompanied by Buddhist missionaries.^[425]

In central and west Asia, Buddhist influence grew, through Greek-speaking Buddhist monarchs and ancient Asian trade routes. An example of this is evidenced in Chinese and Pali Buddhist records, such as Milindapanha and the Greco-Buddhist art of Gandhāra. The Milindapanha describes a conversation between a Buddhist monk and the 2nd-century BCE Greek king Menander, after which Menander abdicates and himself goes into monastic life in the pursuit of nirvana.^[426][427] Some scholars have questioned the Milindapanha version, expressing doubts whether Menander was Buddhist or just favourably disposed to Buddhist monks.^[428]

Other examples of the influence of Greco-Buddhism can be seen in the history of the school of Dharmaguptaka. This early Buddhist school, active in north-western India, was in all probability founded by a Greek monk by the name Yonaka Dhammarakkhita, native of "Alasanda" (which could be either Alexandria, Egypt or Alexandria on the Caucasus in modern Afghanistan, two cities of many founded or renamed by Alexander the Great. This school played a critical role in the spreading of Buddhism to central Asia and China and eventually to other parts of the far east. Further, some of the earliest written documents of the Buddhist faith are the Gandharan Buddhist texts, dating from about the 1st century CE, and connected to the Dharmaguptaka school. These texts are written in the Kharosthi script, a script that was predominantly used in the Greco-Bactrian and Indo-Greek kingdoms of northern India and that played a prominent role in the coinage and inscriptions of their kings.^{[429][430][431]}

The Theravada school spread south from India in the 3rd century BCE, to Sri Lanka, and later to southeast Asia (Myanmar, Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, Cambodia and coastal Vietnam).^[432]

The Silk Road transmission of Buddhism to China is most commonly thought to have started in the late 2nd or the 1st century CE, though the literary sources are all open to question.^{[433][note 52]} The first documented translation efforts by foreign Buddhist monks in China were in the 2nd century CE, probably as a consequence of the expansion of the Kushan Empire into the Chinese territory of the Tarim Basin.^[435]

In the 2nd century CE, Mahayana Sutras spread to China, and then to Korea and Japan, and were translated into Chinese. During the Indian period of Esoteric Buddhism (from the 8th century onwards), Buddhism spread from India to Tibet and Mongolia. Johannes Bronkhorst states that the esoteric form was attractive because it allowed both a secluded monastic community as well as the social rites and rituals important to laypersons and to kings for the maintenance of a political state during succession and wars to resist invasion.^[436] During the Middle Ages, Buddhism slowly declined in India,^[437] while it vanished from Persia and Central Asia as Islam became the state religion.^[438][439]

2 hours ago, jaspindjy said:

How much money do you want everyone to be donating to reach $270,000 sum, because there are also the channels that also asking for donations to do prachaar which is to reach many million peoples.  Mostly people don't normally ask for money from sangat when someone dies like raagi died in the gurdwara stage. His family didn't ask for money from others they too had three little children . His wife is asking for us to give her the money her parents and her inlaws will help her in these circumstances. I don't know why is she like a beggar asking us to pay we don't have more money. Can you tell everyone here why she is asking for money from everyone? There are many poor needy peoples all over the world, in punjab many poor peoples with no food or clothes also the gurdwara near them don't help them they turn to jesus for desperation. In England they have children benefits aslo  free schools free medical health too that's why no one dies of hunger it is wrong to ask for money from others if the government look after them if they poor without employment. She can too also work as there many single parents with children they work to feed them children also pay for everything for them. I don't feel good if people beg others to give money to them they must get job but not ask sikhs hard working ordinary people also it is not sikhi to beg. She can also find some employment like everybody else even if she now single parent . When he leave his first wife did the first wife ask for money from the sangat for her kid. What amount she had asked from the sangat? No one must ask for money it is wrong. She can find employment like everybody she must not ask for charity. There many sikhs womens who become widowed and no one gives them any money to their children or anything. It is her being Russian taking advantage or exploiting poor sikh sangat people. In Russia no one collect money if any sikhs womens or mens in trouble. They don't feel proud of sikhs peoples there because they are from India. There also many peoples sikhs dying in punjab because they have no money. Some girls don't marry because they don't have much money for marriages. Their fathers can't find employment because they have problems.

WaheGuriuJi Ka Khalsa, WaheGuru Ji Ke Fateh

Thank you Jaspindjy, you made me consult the Sikh Scriptures, the Ardas, Benti Chaupai and the answer came back

Siri Whahe Guru! those who were true to the Guru, who meditated on the Nam, who shared their earnings and sacrificed for righteousness; think of their deeds...

I do as the Ardas commands me, so I donated with a happy heart

£x Donation reference: xxxx7688

 

52 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

you don't have to give if you don't want to.

1. whatever he had moneywise, timewise he poured into SIkhi di Parchaar, She also suffered lean times too .

2. She has nothing in terms of money as Insurance was not there to cover , plus  she has only just given birth to a child not likely to be able to work to cover mortgage.

3. do you not think not supporting Guru ji's raagis , granthis, and sewadars is a sharam di gall for us all as sikhs ?

4. You assume that His folks will look after her ...these days not many look after their own blood .

5. problems of poverty and lack of help of sikhs is down to those who eat from golak rather than help those in need , catch hold of them because plenty of sikhs abroad collect and send money help via sikh organisations ...

 

On 04/09/2016 at 0:21 PM, Cisco_Singh said:

Sikhs have no friends in the political arena this is because as a community we are not united we don't have enough political representation or educated Sikhs in influential positions, Councillors, MP's , business leaders etc. 

We have multiple organisations claiming to represent Sikhs. None of which have unity amongst themselves and are internally corrupt themselves. Sikh Council Uk, Sikh federation uk, Federation of Sikh organisations etc etc.

The powers that be know this very well hence they don't take the Sikh voice seriously.

Labour yes under their watch we saw the grooming gang epidemic covered up Rotherham, Rochdale, Keighley. Sheffield. Leicester moghul darbar etc. But it was also Tom Watson of Labour that was the main MP that helped release the papers regarding the uk government involvement in the 1984 Harmandar Sahib attack.

The conservatives have a long history of colluding with the Indian government against the Sikh political movement , Indira Gandhi and Margaret Thatcher were close friends. A Nagar Kirtan in London was cancelled by the uk government in the 1980s at the request of the indian government... This was under the conservatives not Labour.

So if you want the Sikh voice to be heard get more Sikhs into influential positions. Without adequate political representation and a united front the powers that be will ignore you. One of Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaja 52 hukums is for Sikhs to be actively engage in politics and become politically aware, maharaj had the foresight to know that the future yudh is just ad much political as is it physical.

 

A very good analysis by Cisco_Singh, I particularly like the quote, 'We have multiple organisations claiming to represent Sikhs. None of which have unity amongst themselves and are internally corrupt themselves. Sikh Council Uk, Sikh federation uk, Federation of Sikh organisations etc etc.', and here lies the crux of the matter failed Sikh leadership!

On 25/06/2015 at 9:42 AM, Jeevan said:

After our six brave Sikhs were jailed in preventing serious crimes in taking place at the Moghul Durbar why does our own community even vote Labour?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/25/keith-vaz-helped-kill-90s-probe-greville-janner-claims-why-is-vaz-silent-now

Keith Vaz helped kill a 90s probe into the Greville Janner claims: why is he silent now?

Jay Rayner

The MP was among those whose support for Lord Janner stifled an investigation into child-abuse allegations. Vaz should admit his error

Political calculation? Keith Vaz. Photograph: Martin Godwin

 

Saturday 25 April 2015 20.48 BST Last modified on Sunday 26 April 2015 00.01

 

Keith Vaz, prospective parliamentary candidate for Leicester East, is a keen user of Twitter. On any given day, the veteran MP, who has held the constituency for the Labour party since 1987, can tweet half a dozen times or more, spraying a mix of feeble self-promotion and blunt political rhetoric. Except at the moment. Last Sunday, he tweeted his thanks to the Bollywood star Abhishek Bachchan, who had visited the city to campaign alongside him. Since then, Vaz has been uncharacteristically silent.

It’s bizarre, because finally there’s something people want to hear him talk about. Last week in the Observer, I described how my 1991 investigations into allegations of child sex abuse by the former Leicester MP Greville, now Lord, Janner, were brought to a halt by supportive statements in the Commons from MPs. Key among them was that by Vaz, who said that his close colleague had been “the victim of a cowardly and wicked attack”.

When news first broke on 16 April that Janner would not stand trial on 22 counts of child abuse because of his dementia, I asked Vaz via Twitter whether he would care to comment about his support for Janner. He first reacted by blocking me. He unblocked me, but didn’t respond.

Lord Janner could face dementia test, child abuse lawyer says

 

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I assumed that he would speak after my article was published and widely circulated, but no. A week on, and the failure to respond properly to the issues I have raised continues.

The most generous analysis is that Vaz is making a blunt political calculation in the midst of an election: he just has to tough it out. The problem is that the longer he fails to address the issues fully, the more complicit he seems in a passive establishment effort to help Janner to avoid facing charges in court.

It’s not as if there isn’t a form of words he could use. He could reference the recognised cleverness of suspected abusers, and express regret if anything he once said added to the distress of Janner’s alleged victims. It seems he has decided against that. As a result, a matter that could have been consigned to history remains very much alive.

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• Keith Vaz
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I said this many years ago why do Sikhs vote Labour, this party they do not represent Sikhs and actually harm us as a panth!

I also understand now why Keith Vaz and the Labour Party protected Janner!

I also understand know why Keith Vaz and Labour failed to speak up for the Sikhs who stopped one of our girls from being abused!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3772784/Let-s-party-started-Married-Labour-statesman-Keith-Vaz-met-male-prostitutes-London-flat-wanted-man-drugs.html

 

On 25/06/2015 at 9:42 AM, Jeevan said:

After our six brave Sikhs were jailed in preventing serious crimes in taking place at the Moghul Durbar why does our own community even vote Labour?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/25/keith-vaz-helped-kill-90s-probe-greville-janner-claims-why-is-vaz-silent-now

Keith Vaz helped kill a 90s probe into the Greville Janner claims: why is he silent now?

Jay Rayner

The MP was among those whose support for Lord Janner stifled an investigation into child-abuse allegations. Vaz should admit his error

Political calculation? Keith Vaz. Photograph: Martin Godwin

 

Saturday 25 April 2015 20.48 BST Last modified on Sunday 26 April 2015 00.01 BST

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Keith Vaz, prospective parliamentary candidate for Leicester East, is a keen user of Twitter. On any given day, the veteran MP, who has held the constituency for the Labour party since 1987, can tweet half a dozen times or more, spraying a mix of feeble self-promotion and blunt political rhetoric. Except at the moment. Last Sunday, he tweeted his thanks to the Bollywood star Abhishek Bachchan, who had visited the city to campaign alongside him. Since then, Vaz has been uncharacteristically silent.

It’s bizarre, because finally there’s something people want to hear him talk about. Last week in the Observer, I described how my 1991 investigations into allegations of child sex abuse by the former Leicester MP Greville, now Lord, Janner, were brought to a halt by supportive statements in the Commons from MPs. Key among them was that by Vaz, who said that his close colleague had been “the victim of a cowardly and wicked attack”.

When news first broke on 16 April that Janner would not stand trial on 22 counts of child abuse because of his dementia, I asked Vaz via Twitter whether he would care to comment about his support for Janner. He first reacted by blocking me. He unblocked me, but didn’t respond.

Lord Janner could face dementia test, child abuse lawyer says

 

Read more

I assumed that he would speak after my article was published and widely circulated, but no. A week on, and the failure to respond properly to the issues I have raised continues.

The most generous analysis is that Vaz is making a blunt political calculation in the midst of an election: he just has to tough it out. The problem is that the longer he fails to address the issues fully, the more complicit he seems in a passive establishment effort to help Janner to avoid facing charges in court.

It’s not as if there isn’t a form of words he could use. He could reference the recognised cleverness of suspected abusers, and express regret if anything he once said added to the distress of Janner’s alleged victims. It seems he has decided against that. As a result, a matter that could have been consigned to history remains very much alive.

More features Topics

• Keith Vaz
• Child protection
• Children
• Crime

I said this many years ago why do Sikhs vote Labour, this party they do not represent Sikhs and actually harm us as a panth!

I also understand now why Keith Vaz and the Labour Party protected Janner!

I also understand know why Keith Vaz and Labour failed to speak up for the Sikhs who stopped one of our girls from being abused!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3772784/Let-s-party-started-Married-Labour-statesman-Keith-Vaz-met-male-prostitutes-London-flat-wanted-man-drugs.html

 

They stand for 1)Muslims, 2)Londoners, 3)Middle classes and 4)gays. They also stand up students as long as you meet the criteria for 2&3.

Sadly all four statements have elements of truth.

Add to this list not only the militant liberals, middle class communists but our so called own Sikh Federation who ill advised our own Sikh Panth to Remain In???

given the UK is small compared to the countries you mentioned, islamfication in the UK is more noticeable. London, Birmingham, Manchester, Yorkshire have some right cess pits. The militant liberals, middle class communists and labour party have played their part too.

I also hopes Britain leaves the Geneva Convention!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3637105/Why-did-police-quiet-sex-attack-Syrian-UK-refugees-Girl-14-assaulted-gang-kept-crime-list-covered-BBC-Newsnight-team.html

Why did police keep quiet on sex attack by Syrian UK refugees? Girl, 14, was assaulted by gang but it was kept off the crime list covered by BBC Newsnight team...

• Gang of Syrians allegedly assaulted two 14-year-old girls in Newcastle
• Three young men have appeared in court and a teenager, 17, was charged
• But even after that Northumbria Police did not announce case to the public

By Martin Beckford and Jacinta Taylor For The Mail On Sunday

Published: 23:44, 11 June 2016 | Updated: 23:46, 11 June 2016

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/woman-allegedly-tortured-to-death-by-her-employer-in-saudi-arabia-a7020551.html

Woman allegedly tortured to death by her employer in Saudi Arabia

• Samuel Osborne
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Indian women shout slogans during a protest over claims a Saudi official raped his two maids, near the Saudi Arabian embassy in New Delhi, on 10 September, 2015 (file image) MONEY SHARMA/AFP/Getty Images

A 25-year-old Indian woman has allegedly been tortured to death by her employers in Saudi Arabia.

Asima Khatoon, who went to the Gulf state to work as a house maid, reportedly succumbed to her injuries while undergoing treatment for chest-related disease at the King Saud hospital.

She passed away after medical treatment failed to save her.

Her family claimed she had previously complained of being mentally and physically harassed.

"She went there and she was assaulted there," a member of Ms Khatoon's family, from Hyderabad, told News 18.

"She was kept in a room, they did not feed her. She told me she has been tortured and she asked me to bring her back at any cost," the family member alleged.

In a phone call made several weeks ago, she reportedly asked her parents to rescue her.

Her stay had reportedly been extended by her employers illegally after her visa expired.

The Telangana state government had earlier asked India's external affairs ministry to intervene and rescue her, India Today reported.

It's a BBC ploy to make Jagraj appear as a subservient servant or an extreme radical!

The BBC have had no interest in the Sikhs why the sudden interest now?

all Pakistanis are in favour of Khalistan because they think that once established they will take over that territory through invasion

jkvlondon - never a truer word said!

WGJK
WGJKF

Dear UK Voters,

On Thursday May 5th there will be elections to decide the Police and Crime Commissioner for your area.

Personally I don't agree in the concept to elect Police Commissioners as the Police (already political) will be heavily influenced by party politics than what the people deserve and want. However in light of the grooming scandals in the UK please vote wisely if you do decide to vote?

The Khalsa Reigns Supreme!!!!!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543721/Explosion-injures-3-Sikh-temple-western-Germany.html

Wedding guests injured after a Sikh temple was targeted in a 'deliberate explosion by a masked attacker' in western Germany

• Police said a masked person fled the scene after the 'quite violent' blast
• Three people have been injured in the deliberate explosion
• Sikh temple in western city of Essen hit at 7pm after hosting a wedding

By Isabel Hunter For Mailonline and Associated Press

Published: 20:57, 16 April 2016 | Updated: 22:25, 16 April 2016

Do you have any proof of this?

http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/communities-and-local-government-committee/inquiries/parliament-2010/jay-report-rotherham/

5.9 In two of the cases we read, fathers tracked down their daughters and tried to remove them from houses where they were being abused, only to be arrested themselves when police were called to the scene. In a small number of cases (which have already received media attention) the victims were arrested for offences such as breach of the peace or being drunk and disorderly, with no action taken against the perpetrators of rape and sexual assault against children.

5.10 There are numerous historic examples (up to the mid-2000s) of children being stalked by their abusers, and some extreme cases of violent threats or actual assaults on the victims and their families.

5.11 One parent, who agreed to her child being placed in a residential unit in order to protect her, wrote to children’s social care expressing her fears for her daughter’s safety. She described her despair that instead of being protected, her child was being exposed to even worse abuse than when she was at home:

“My child (age 13) may appear to be a mature child, yet some of her actions and the risks to which she constantly puts herself are those of a very immature and naïve person. She constantly stays out all night getting drunk, mixing with older mature adults, and refuses to be bound by any rules.”

5.12 One child who was being prepared to give evidence received a text saying the perpetrator had her younger sister and the choice of what happened next was up to her. She withdrew her statements. At least two other families were terrorised by groups of perpetrators, sitting in cars outside the family home, smashing windows, making abusive and threatening phone calls. On some occasions child victims went back to perpetrators in the belief that this was the only way their parents and other children in the family would be safe. In the most extreme cases, no one in the family believed that the authorities could protect them.

5.13 Many of the victims were unable to recognise that they had been groomed and exploited, and some blamed themselves not just for their own abuse, but for what happened to other victims.

5.14 There have been a small number of successful prosecutions for offences against individual children. The courage required of children to give evidence against their attackers has been rightly commended, but the challenges cannot be

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underestimated. Many other children refused to give evidence and/or withdrew statements as a direct result of threats, intimidation and assaults against them or their families. Overall, the small number of prosecutions and convictions has been disproportionate to the numbers of children abused and the seriousness of the offences committed against them.

Contact Sikh Awareness Society, with Maharaja Kirpa and understanding Sikh issues within can be resolved

Police & Social Services will only prostitute you off to groomers read Professor's Jay's report.

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/rotherham-abuse-scandal-police-corruption-probe-after-allegations-of-collusion-between-officers-and-offenders-1-7747350#ixzz41D6IIYit

Rotherham abuse scandal: Police corruption probe after allegations of collusion between officers and offenders

During the course of the trial at Sheffield Crown Court, allegations were made that South Yorkshire Police officers had passed information and drugs to a Rotherham child grooming ring and acted to protect serial child abusers Arshid and Basharat Hussain from prosecution.