Inder Singh

This may help you

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8039760281135172#

Nobody said that dasam granth is equal to SGGS ji. It was pointed out repeatedly that there is no competition between two granths.It was said that two are like brothers.

He was insistent on denigrating Dasam granth.Wrong refrences were being given such as of kavi sainapat and Bhai nand lal.That is not tolerable given the hostility dispalyed by certain elements to wards bani of dasam pita.

Khalistan_zindabhad aka dhesi you chat aload of bakwaas where did u get that information frm that certian ppl where going to stop funding??? Did you make it up like u make up 98% of ur bakwaas man u need to get a life allways bangin on about stuff like this.......people like you are the reason there is no unity in the panth its either u taaksali or u are anti-panth geeza give it a rest.

Can admin delete the above post.This is nothing but nonsense uttered against a respected member of this forum.

u were asking me "who said Dasam Granth is guru and bla bla bla" so i was suggesting u read inder post and read his last post and he is even indcating

and i started the siyapa? did i say something bad about Dasam Granth? purpose of my posts were only to indicate that Guru Granth ji is our Guru !

You think you are too clever. Do not show your cleverness here as you are caught high and dry on many points.

If you continue your nonsense, i will also suggest admin to ban you for spraeding misinformation.

these guys need some help man.

lsb, we are not taking u as anti dasam granth, we are taking u as a mental patient.

why r u quoting wat inder bhaij has said and directing it towards me? lol. im not looking for answers. ur the one who started all these siyapa. inder bhaji is trying to explain u something, but u keep saying something differnt each post.

these types of people make the forum look like a junk yard. if some guest were to read this thread, they would think so negative of this place.

i still think we should a ban feature next to each person's name, and if that person acts up, then the sangat can all vote to ban them.

These pople are not sikhs.They are here for propaganda and will keep on surfacing each day. That shows that there is a conspiracy against sikhs.The one aim is to spread propaganda aginst dasam bani and break sikhs away from that so that their amrit is destroyed.

(A Painting by August Theodore Schoefft (1809-1888), made in Amritsar. From Princess Bamba Collection)

The above photo is for those gurnindaks to see what sikhs were doing when they were in charhdi kala.

Shastr u got ur answer? i believe? and i was not the one who was comparing, "2 brothers" was not my reply or "2 guru's". Stop confusing others and acting smart.

You guys are taking me as "anti Dasam Granth" - Not in any post of mine i have said Dasam Granth is wrong or as such

Anyway i take my leave from this forums

You were here on fishing trip. you got your match. That is what gurnindaks will get from enlightened khalsa.

"aagya bhai Akal ki Tabhi chalayo Panth, Sab Sikhan ko hukum hai Guru Manyo Granth. Guru Granth ji manyo pargat Guran ki deh. jo, prabh ko milna chahe khoj shabad men le"

that is wrong??? Regarding the evidence, can u tell me where it says that there WERE (are? or were?) 2 guru? which 2 guru's please? and where does it say it?

"The Guru accompanied by Khalsa went to the place where Adi Granth had been installed. He opened the holy book, placed five paise and a coconut before it, bowed before it, then went round the sacred scripture five times, bowed every time, and declared it as the Guru for all times to come. Upto this time the holy book was called Pothi Sahib. Gobind Singh named it Granth consisting of two words, Gur and Ant meaning eternal Guru. He asserted: " In future whoever wishes to seek englightenment, guidance and solace, let him read the holy granth. This is your Guru for ever and ever till eternity. " The Guru said that he was entrusting the Khalsa to the care of AkalPurukh (God)"

and all dat is wrong aswell???

He is quoting this Doha and repeatedly telling us that it is written by Guru Gobind singh. A total lie aimed at spreading misinformation.

This doha was written by Giani Gian singh. Before that prahlad singh wrote something on this line. He first writes

Guru khalsa maniyo pargat gurua ki deh

Jo sikh mo milbe chahi khoj inho mein leh ( verse 24)

Further he wites

akal ke bachan sion pargat chalayo panth

sabh sikhan ko bachan hai guru maniyo granth( verse 30)

Such gurnindaks who have aim of spreading misinformation by denigrating granth of tenth amster need to be banned.

But before that he names mischieviously Kavi sainapat for writing something on this line. No way. Kavi sainapat writes that jyot was given to khalsa panth. he does not mention about guru granth at all.

But we know that traditions can never be wrong and we accept guru sahib's verbal command about guruship to SGGS ji.That does not mean we have ti discard his wriitngs as these propagandists want us to do. Dasam granthw as always in parkash along side SGGS duirng dal khalsa, misl and sikh rule period right upto 1944.

We are paying the price for discontinuing that practice.

wow saying comments like "there WERE 2 guru" and stuff is not right thing to do, maybe for u it a 'small point of view'. Please show me where is says Dasam Granth is our guru? if so how come the title is 'Dasam Granth' rather then 'Guru Dasam Granth'.

By same logic i nsak you where is it written that SGGS our Guru.Show us where.

and again i am NOT against Dasam Granth, but stop saying There Were 2 guru. our Current Guru Ji is Guru Granth Sahib Ji and we should take our hukums only from that ! as according to Guru Gobind Singh Ji.

Giving respect to dasam granth does not take Guruship away from SGGS ji. Those who are showing their respect to Dasam granth are the ones who have sacrificed always for the panth.Heretic elements have not stood for panth anywhere so far.

And i didnt say "respect to Dasam Granth will mean disrespect to SGGS ji", but i am saying, u cant give "Guru Ji" Padmi to Dasam Granth and do parkash at same level of Guru Granth Sahib Ji

You change your statement so many times/ Dasam Granth was always n parkash alongside SGGS in old times.Are you sayimng those sikhs were not knowing what to do.

Again same crap without any refrence.

LSB mentions name of kavi sainapat.kavi sainapat writes in his book " Gur shobha" that Guru sahib gave gurgaddi to khalsa.He does not mention gurgaddi being given to SGGS ji. you are lying as far as kavi sainapat is concerned.

You are saying that doha is written by Guru Gobind singh ji. This is another lie.Doha is not written y guru gobind singh ji. If you think so please give Give refrence for that.

When you say that Guru sahib said that his body is in khlasa.Khalsa cann't be initiated without dasam Granth.That itself gives recognition to dasam granth.

Those who spread nonsensical propaganda against dasam granth in disguise are neither sikhs nor well wishers of sikhs. These people will manifest in different categories with different theories.But their aim is one indulge in subtle propaganda against dasam Granth sahib.Do they not know that dasam granth is deeply embedded in sikh psyche.They know it but they will adopt different postures to spread misinformation.They will quote ardas and when told ardas itself is from dasam granth they will toe a different line.

Again there is no competition between two granths.They complement each other.Do not propagate against bani of tenth master.Those who do are enemies of sikhs.sikhs have woken up to identify them.

Are u stateting that Dasam Granth is our 12th guru? and why the hell did u even say "There WERE", There is Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

there is no need to say that.You do not have to stretch to that.Do you know what is meant by Jog and jugti?If not read and understand.

That is the difference between a sikh and otehr religions. A sikh is not a pujari only. he is a saint soldier or sant sipahi.That is why sikhs have SGGS and dasam granth.

its sooo annoying to see people type things like "oh we cant compare guru granth sahib ji to dasam granth sahib ji"

the only people that compare the 2 with each other are people who cant accept both.

sri guru granth sahib ji is our guru, can be viewed as akal purkh ji himself.

sri dasam granth sahib ji, which is also wirtten by the same guru, can be viewed as akal purkh's ji's shakti.

sri guru granth sahib ji = god

sri dasam granth sahib ji = god's shakti.

wat is the problem here. why do we have to look at everything with a small point of view?? all these people crying about stuff dont even know wat they are talking about.

a guru ka singh should be both sant and sipahi.

sri guru granth sahib ji = sant

sri dasam granth sahib ji = sipahi.

they both go hand in hand.

very well written post and to the point.

Some people are allergic to dasam granth either out of mischief or out of ignorance.They say respect to Dasam Granth will mean disrespect to SGGS ji. That is not correct.

Foundation of khalsa panth is on both granths. Some quote ardas to prove that sggs is the only granth.Little do they know that ardas pauri is itself from dasam granth.

Read below

ੴ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹ ॥

ੴ वाहिगुरू जी की फतह ॥

The Lord is one and the Victory is of the Lord.

ਸ੍ਰੀ ਭਗਉਤੀ ਜੀ ਸਹਾਇ ॥

स्री भगउती जी सहाइ ॥

May SRI BHAGAUTI JI (The Sword) be Helpful.

ਵਾਰ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਭਗਉਤੀ ਜੀ ਕੀ ॥ ਪਾਤਸਾਹੀ ੧੦ ॥

वार स्री भगउती जी की ॥ पातसाही १० ॥

The Heroic Poem of Sri Bhagauti Ji (By) The Tenth King(Guru).

ਪ੍ਰਿਥਮ ਭਗੌਤੀ ਸਿਮਰਿ ਕੈ ਗੁਰੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਲਈਂ ਧਿਆਇ ॥

प्रिथम भगौती सिमरि कै गुरु नानक लईं धिआइ ॥

In the beginning I remember Bhagauti, the Lord (Whose symbol is the sword and then I remember Guru Nanak.

ਫਿਰ ਅੰਗਦ ਗੁਰ ਤੇ ਅਮਰਦਾਸੁ ਰਾਮਦਾਸੈ ਹੋਈਂ ਸਹਾਇ ॥

फिर अंगद गुर ते अमरदासु रामदासै होईं सहाइ ॥

Then I remember Guru Arjan, Guru Amar Das and Guru Ram Das, may they be helpful to me.

ਅਰਜਨ ਹਰਿਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਨੋ ਸਿਮਰੌ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਹਰਿਰਾਇ ॥

अरजन हरिगोबिंद नो सिमरौ स्री हरिराइ ॥

Then I remember Guru Arjan, Guru Hargobind and Guru Har Rai.

ਸ੍ਰੀ ਹਰਿ ਕਿਸ਼ਨ ਧਿਆਈਐ ਜਿਸ ਡਿਠੇ ਸਭਿ ਦੁਖਿ ਜਾਇ ॥

स्री हरि किशन धिआईऐ जिस डिठे सभि दुखि जाइ ॥

(After them) I remember Guru Har Kishan, by whose sight all the sufferings vanish.

ਤੇਗ ਬਹਾਦਰ ਸਿਮਰਿਐ ਘਰ ਨਉ ਨਿਧਿ ਆਵੈ ਧਾਇ ॥

तेग बहादर सिमरिऐ घर नउ निधि आवै धाइ ॥

Then I do remember Guru Tegh Bahadur, though whose Grace the nine treasures come running to my house.

ਸਭ ਥਾਈਂ ਹੋਇ ਸਹਾਇ ॥੧॥

सभ थाईं होइ सहाइ ॥१॥

May they be helpful to me everywhere

Vaar sri bhagauti ji ki, dasam granth

hmm why go far

I am sure u read Ardas and in end u read Dora? (sry if i spelt it wrong)

"DASAN PATSHAHIAN DI JOT SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI DE PATH DIDAR DA DHAYAN DHAR KE BOLO JI 'WAHEGURU'."

Meditate on the teaching of SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB Ji which is the gospel of all the ten Gurus, and say 'WAHEGURU'.

Whenever we go to the Gurdwara and stand in Ardas, at the end of the Ardas we recite the following words,

'Guru Granth Ji Maneo, Pargat Guraa Ki Deh.'

'Guru Granth Sahib is the spiritual embodiment of the Gurus.'

<--- Those words were said by Guru Gobind Singh Ji, you may wish to go Takhat shri Hajur sahib and see it for your self where this has been written --->

Guru Granth Sahib Ji is our Guru and you cannot say "Dasam Granth and Guru Granth Sahib Ji" are like brothers -

You said

Again there is no competition betwen two granths.Those who say like this are not well wishers of sikh panth.

Ardas itself is from dasam Granth . Do not you know that?

Guru Granth Ji Maneo, Pargat Guraa Ki Deh.'

Those words were said by Guru Gobind Singh Ji,

Where are these words written. Show us.Just saying at Hazoor sahib mean nothing.

There were two Gurus

1) Guru Granth

2) Guru Panth i.e. khalsa panth

You do not beocme khalsa without Dasam Granth. If there is no dasam granth there is no khalsa panth.

There is no khalsa panth ,there is no sikhism.

Meditate on the teaching of SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB Ji which is the gospel of all the ten Gurus, and say 'WAHEGURU'.

How do you get term waheguru.Who gives us that term.

Those who preach against dasam granth want sikhs to finish themselves.They go out of way to create rivalary between SGGS ji and dasam granth.

Any propaganda against dasam granth is against guidelines of this site.

Beautiful inspiring Dhadhi darbar going on right now

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Beautiful inspiring Dhadhi darbar going on right now

http://sikhchannel.tv/onTvnow.aspx

ਇਹ ਗਲ ਕਦੇ ਵੀ ਅੱਖੋਂ ਓਹਲੇ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੋਣੀ ਚਾਹੀਦੀ ਕਿ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਵਰਗੀ ਕ੍ਰਾਂਤੀਕਾਰੀ ਹਸਤੀ ਦੀ ਰਚਨਾ ਵਿਚ ਕੁਛ ਖਾਸ ਵਿਚਿਤ੍ਰਤਾ ਹੈ। ਚਾਹੇ ਸਾਡੀ ਅਨਗਹਲੀ ਜਾਂ ਅਰੁਚੀ ਕਾਰਣ ਇਹ ਰਚਨਾਂ ਸਾਡੇ ਪ੍ਰਚਾਰ ਦੇ ਦਾਇਰੇ ਤੋਂ ਬਾਹਰਵਾਰ ਰਹੀ ਹੈ ਪਰ ਇਸ ਰਚਨਾਂ ਦੀ ਬੁਝੀ ਹੋਈ ਭਸਮ ਵਿਚ ਵੀ ਦੱਬੇ ਹੋਏ ਲਾਲ ਅੰਗਾਰੇ ਹਨ, ਜੋ ਲੋੜ ਸਮੇਂ , ਫਿਰ ਭੜਕ ਸਕਦੇ ਹਨ ਤੇ ਅੰਦੋਲਣ ਦਾ ਕਾਰਜ ਸੰਪੂਰਣਤਾ ਤਕ ਲਿਜਾ ਸਕਦੇ ਹਨ। (ਡਾ. ਬਲਬੀਰ ਸਿੰਘ, ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਤੁਕ-ਤਤਕਰਾ)

We should never lose sight that writings of revolutionary personality of Guru Gobind singh ji have special significance. Whether due to our carelessness or unmindfulness, these compositions have remained outside the sphere of our preaching.But in the extinguished ashes of these compositions there are fireworks, that on requirement, can spark again and will lead our struggle to completeness

Dr Balbir Singh on Dasam Granth tuk tatkra

When Guru Gobind Singh Ji left the world, Guru ji have said 'Guru Granth Ji Maneo, Pargat Guraa Ki Deh', meaning Our Granth Sahib ji is our Guru. Dasam Granth cannot be compared to our Guru Granth Sahib ji and by saying they are like "Two granths are brothers", you are comparing Guru ji.

Nothing in this world can hold same value as our Guru Granth Sahib ji

I do not disrespect Dasam Granth, but again i repeat Guru Granth Sahib ji is our Guru and Every Hukum must only be taken from there.

Where is it written, please show us.

Again nobody is comparing two granths. It is plain ignorance to compare these granths as there is no rivalary between them.

i dont wish to start a new war, but please do not compare Dasam Granth to Guru Granth Sahib ji, Guru Granth Sahib ji is our Guru !

Nobody is comparing two granths.Only enemies of sikhism say about comparison.Two granths are brothers.

There is no rivalary.They complement each other.

It has been confirmed that sikh channel are pro dasm granth however certain personalities that come on the shows are anti and recently the channel was going to broadcast a pro dasm show, however due to these personalities the show got cancelled last minute.

dasam Granth is a sikh granth. Knock out those personalities from that channel who oppose dasam granth.

(A Painting by August Theodore Schoefft (1809-1888), made in Amritsar. From Princess Bamba Collection)

Then you tummy be nangi because you do the beadbi of Granth Sahib Ji. This is the slander and the disgusting so you please do your exposure you self. In the topic Reson for Parkash Of Sri Dasam Granth Sahib you refer to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji as the granths. This you expose your own self this you write disgusting because you showing no respect by writing just the granth. Even my school teacher write and say Guru Granth Sahib and she is the english so you thinking you the some superman and writing just granth in the lowercases letter is good. You not got respect and do beadbi but doing finger point others people.

Please you start new thread not do spoil the every thread but you not understanding this because you are choota, pakhandi beadbi da internet agent then to pretending you panthic.

My agenda is the clear my post but you having beadbi agenda and to stop the topics the ashutosh and spoiling the every thread.

Learn some English beofre writing nonsense here.You have only one agenda and that is lick shoes of kala afghani sect such as Punjab radio presenters and otehrs.

Beautiful program!

can someone vidotape it and put it on youtube.

Waheguru ji

Punab radio is a supporter of heretic kala afghna sect. There is nothing new in this.

Yes I writing you 100% agent. Look you own post I reading ashutosh topic but you spoiled because you doing agent role so we not look the at ashutosh but you doing the Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji on the ashutosh topics this because you not like the peoples talking bad the ashutosh and want peoples fight internet about Sri Dasam Granth Ji.

I knowing you no respecting Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji or Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji because you doing beadbi other topic you just writing granth not full title. This is I knowing you not respect but here do trouble and make people no talk topic because your agent manager tell you telling sikhsangat to talk the other thing.

This is what agents are trained for. To introduce other topics and divert the thread.

If you feel i did that. Why did you keep shut that time.Why are you speaking now on a thread

which is for discussion on a die hard anti panthic kala afghna chela.

If someone does slander bani of my guru i will expose him with all my strength.Make no mistake about it.

ut this topics not ghagoo or dilgeeroo but someones ask the email for Jasvir Singh so why you getting license to do all topic off topic? You doing to forum this off topic because you the agent.

You want to talk the ghagoo and dilgeeroo why not do new topic. There is the button do new topic. THis not the ghagoo dilgeroo topic but you make like evertime to do spoil topic.

Did i talk about ghagha or dilgeeer? Not at all.My focus was on this heretic jasvir.See below before uttering bukwas

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Jasvir Singh's e-mail is j.a.s.v.i.r.s.i.n.g.h.@k.h.a.l.s.a.c.o.m.

there is a . after khalsa

My reply

This rogue is a kala afghani agent.He is no khalsa.These are the tricks these thugs use to hoodwink sikhs.

It is my reply for heretic jasvir that has irked you . That shows your agenda here.

Jasvir Singh's e-mail is j.a.s.v.i.r.s.i.n.g.h.@k.h.a.l.s.a.c.o.m.

there is a . after khalsa

This rogue is a kala afghani agent.He is no khalsa.These are the tricks these thugs use to hoodwink sikhs.

I thinking you the india rss agent. i reading the lots of topic on sikhsangat and seeing you all the time do calling other peoples anti dasam grant or the agent because yoy brain not clever to write anything other.

How you knowing the peoples are the agent. I knowing you this it because you agent with the same peoples. So you is being the afghani agent and you meeting the other agent in the meetings.

This topic some peoples asking for the email but you doing the spoil again. How many time you doing the topic spoil. I think you not doing any topic write about topic but writing about Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji because you having secret to doing spoil forum topic every time. Any you doing beadbi lots forums topics you writing granth and not full respect of writing Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji. You no respect anyone or respect forum but full krodh and spoiling all the time forum. Even in the english school the teacher saying us Guru Granth Sahib Ji with respect then you doing like langoor and writing just granths. The english teacher doing the more respect of Guru then you writing this forum.

I hope MehtaB SIngh doing the read this is post and doing his new ruling to you because you spoiling all the time this forum.

The proof of m y being an agent or not is in my writing. Let sangat read and decide.

jasvir is a buddy of inder Ghaghan and dilgeer. These people are subverting sikh history and denigrating sikh scriptures. That is a proof enough to brand these kala afghanis as traitors of sikhs. They are getting exposed .

Write on the subject instead of getting personal. Have you got anything to defend the record of these gurnindaks.

If Inder Singh is an agent for supporting tenth Guru, then I too am proud to be one as well. Panjab Radio are good with media propaganda, they select their callers so only their own people who agree with them get through. Now they have started to send their supporters to call Sikh Channel as well in every debate. Of course, then there are the internet warriors who will pop up everytime the truth about Panjab radio is exposed.

No one questioned this mahan bani of the tenth Guru in PURAATAN times. The enemies have now found one of the roots of Sikhi power.

That is obvious from their posts. It is a fact that this radio is misleading people about basics of sikhism by toeing line of thugs like kala afghana. They are being exposed by gursikhs.

Keep up the good work and time is not far off when these anti sikh agents will be marginalized.Lies do not abound forever.

Jasvir Singh's e-mail is j.a.s.v.i.r.s.i.n.g.h.@k.h.a.l.s.a.c.o.m.

there is a . after khalsa

This rogue is a kala afghani agent.He is no khalsa.These are the tricks these thugs use to hoodwink sikhs.

I thinking you the india rss agent. i reading the lots of topic on sikhsangat and seeing you all the time do calling other peoples anti dasam grant or the agent because yoy brain not clever to write anything other.

How you knowing the peoples are the agent. I knowing you this it because you agent with the same peoples. So you is being the afghani agent and you meeting the other agent in the meetings.

This topic some peoples asking for the email but you doing the spoil again. How many time you doing the topic spoil. I think you not doing any topic write about topic but writing about Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji because you having secret to doing spoil forum topic every time. Any you doing beadbi lots forums topics you writing granth and not full respect of writing Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji. You no respect anyone or respect forum but full krodh and spoiling all the time forum. Even in the english school the teacher saying us Guru Granth Sahib Ji with respect then you doing like langoor and writing just granths. The english teacher doing the more respect of Guru then you writing this forum.

I hope MehtaB SIngh doing the read this is post and doing his new ruling to you because you spoiling all the time this forum.

The proof of m y being an agent or not is in my writing. Let sangat read and decide.

jasvir is a buddy of inder Ghaghan and dilgeer. These people are subverting sikh history and denigrating sikh scriptures. That is a proof enough to brand these kala afghanis as traitors of sikhs. They are getting exposed .

Write on the subject instead of getting personal. Have you got anything to defend the record of these gurnindaks.

Jasvir Singh's e-mail is j.a.s.v.i.r.s.i.n.g.h.@k.h.a.l.s.a.c.o.m.

there is a . after khalsa

This rogue is a kala afghani agent.He is no khalsa.These are the tricks these thugs use to hoodwink sikhs.

Panjab radio is gaining strength day & night. It is certainly first desi radio( possibly second private radio overall ) that covers whole of UK on DAB.

Only BBC & channel5 have similar reach as panjab radio has all over UK

In contrast other desi radios such Akash radio is just surviving as sky channel radio with a online internet.

It seems panjab radio have commited following that donate money regularly. Else running DAB service on whole of UK is not a joke

That does not mean that they will indulge in yellow journalism and give one side of story favouring a heretic darshan Ragi

They have another moorakh on tomorrow - Dilgeer.

Ragi is in india.I am not from england. But let me know is there nobody to discipline radio punjab.I heard these heretics have very few followers in UK>