Inder Singh

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Here he is shown with emissary of his pay masters. This is mentioned in MK Dhar's book.

With him is Shushil Muni an agent of rajiv Gandhi.

Does he do this openly? I.e., doesn't even try to hide it?

Totally shocking.

When he was jathedar of akal takhat he fell ill. He was admitted to a nursing home

at Amritsar. He told the doctor in the evening that he cann't live without whisky as it

his habit.

Doctor knew a senior functionary of SGPC and he was informed about this rogue jathedar.

Most probably these revealations will come in a book being written on him.

His name also appears in Open secrets written by one indian intelligence officer MK Dhar and he also appears as a greedy character in Punjab police cchief Ribeiro's book " Bullet for Bullet" Rebiero writes that he was asking for free revolver form SSP of patiala.

Can someone anser this question - When Guru Gobind Singh Ji complied Sri Guru Granth Sahib, why did he not include Dasam Granth Bani in there?

That Guru sahib knows best. It does not diminish his writings status whether these are contained in SGGS ji or not.

In theory we have two granths but have one in practice. The system has been wronged by some when they drafted sikh rehat maryada.

Its price we are paying now.

sri akal takht sahib does not allow parkash of any ova granth apart 4rm sri guru granth sahib ji in darbar

All takhatas have parkash of weapons at central podium. Parkash of SGGS ji on the side

Akal takhat is no exception.

Akal takhat had parkash of Dasam Granth till 1944. In my view we are paying the price of removing its parkash by some senseless people.

This is also heard that He takes whisky also. He is fond of sherab and kebab.

Below is complete detail . It is easy to read it when it shown

Dear Sangat ji,

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa

Waheguru Ji ki Fateh

I am narrating before you my first hand interaction with Ragi D Singh, this incident dates back about one and a half year back, when Ragi was in chandigarh to do kirtan at Ramgarhia Bhawan sector 27 Chandigarh, and he sang the shabad about dujee bhav meaning those who abandon the path shown by the Guru and tread the second path face the obstacles etc, after the kirtan one of my friends asked him to spare time for interaction, Ragi told that he was going to the house of Rajinder Singh of Khalsa Panchayat and that he should come to that place for interaction , though I was inclined to be face to face with Ragi but on the insistence of my friend I went along with him to the residence of Khalsa Panchayat president , by the time we reached that place Ragi was having dinner with his friends at that place and his plate was full of goat meat , we sat apart and waited for Ragi to finish his meals , he joined us and soon all his companions also came and sat with us, my friend asked Ragi ji to explain the meaning of Duja Bhav but Ragi being crafty enough inquired from my friend the basis of his question , in what context was the question being asked but my friend was feeling shy to tell him the reason for asking this question and both of them spent some time in this interaction with out any progress ultimately to get past the deadlock I intervened and told Ragi ji that my friend did not have the courage to offend you ,the basis of his reasoning is to ask from you whether the stones worn by you in your fingers come in the Guru Ka Bhaw or Duja Bhaw ,to this their was commotion in the room and all his well-wishers in the room were shell shocked after some time the Ragi replied that these stones were worn by him to cure his diseases , again there was chaos in the room with my fried inquiring which doctor advised him this cure ,I sarcastically asked Ragi whether these stone were got known to him through the parrot or he went to some panda to get his teewa made , Ragi was also loosing his cool by now and he said that even Guru Gobind Singh ji wore Jewelry ,to this I asked Ragi that while he was the Jathedar at Siri Akal Takhat Sahib can he recount the number of innocent villagers whom he asked to remove their worldly Jewelry and put the Kakars prescribed the Guru and can he give them a message that Sikhs can adorn any kind of ornaments , there was melee all around his supporter asked us not to let this episode go into the press we also asked them that hurting Ragi is not our aim but they should ensure that Ragi removes all these stones, to which they assured us ,and this is the first time I am disclosing this incident to let the Sikh masses judge who is who in Sikh affairs

Chandigarh India

sahib singh ahs vanished. A ragi stooge. They lie and when challenged they vanish.

yh u jokerz 4gt the kurbani of bhai gajinder singh ji ,due to him shaheed sant bhindranwle was released 4rm jail - dal khalsa ws seen as 'bhindranwale's party' wht kurbani hve u dne?? wht gurdwara has manmohan singh tken ova and eaten money 4rm?manmohan singh hs dne mre 4 the panth then all of u put 2gther - kept pakistan gurdware open represented sikhs in the United Nations evry yr n still does so - u lot r js jealous pure n simple

The above is a lie. Sant Bhindrewale was not released because Gajinder hijacked a plane. Sant bhindrewale was released due to lack of evidence aginst him and mounting pressure from sikhs.

You people living in UK or any where outside Punjab have no right to comment on ANY Sikh jathebandi in Punjab .

Each and Every jathebandi in Punjab has resolved to work for Panthic unity including the ones you are calling Dasam Granthia's or anti Dasam Granthia's or whatever.

Was any one of you there when these meetings took place ?

Watch this video of 13 December,2009 :

They have only mentioned what the past experience has been.

This is a meeting in Ludhiana Gurudwara caleld by missioanries. Here they praised congress and the congress MP from Ludhiana.

These are not apnthic jathebandis.

When killing Skhs in 1984 they didnt ask to which jatha you belong or what your caste was or whether you belong to some missionary team or anything..They just killed you because you were SIKHS..Remember they even killed so called "Mona Sikhs" as they had list of Sikh homes with them..So next time when they do so they will not ask what type of Sikh you are ..So Sikhs please unite now leaving aside your affliations..Remember this time the assault will be even more dangerous and we can not face it till we are totally united .....

There was no missionary involved in 1984 sacrificing for sikh struggle. They are heretics dokhis of sikhs.

Can somebody give me a list of all puratan birs of Dasam Granth and the date of their compilations?

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa

Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Anandpuri bir 1696

Patna bir 1698

But i read in news that gurunindak paramjit singh Saran was there and he addressed sangat.

It is well known that this was Gurudwara that was supporting heretic ragi Drashan singh.They had even called heretic Ragi in Aug 2009 and he did a lot of bukwas against Dasam granth.

President of gurudwara and few of his goonda mates were supporting Ragi agianst akal takhat. Singhs have blasted these heretics for opposing akal takhat.There were scuffles yesterday and today heretci president has given in writing that they undertake not to support Gurunindak ragi Darshan and will follow whatever akal takhta decides.

That is a great victory of truth.

Koor nikhute nanaka

Orak sach rahi

In 1984 when the Sikhs were facing the wrath of the Indian Government and when thousands of Sikhs were being butchered on the streets of India, controversial ragi was busy doing what he does best. He was making money by acting in a film " Nimmo" and praising Dasam Granth by taking lines from Suraj parkash.

Such is the character of this turncoat Ragi, who has always betrayed his beliefs and followed the flow of the money.

That's correct.

Another smaller faction of Dal Khalsa in India must have attended the Tat Khalsa/Missionary College...etc meeting yesterday if it was not the mainstream one (as according to the news report above and others, some faction of Dal Khalsa in India did attend the second smaller split meeting, but must not have been the mainstream organisation - the media should make a differentiation of this).

The more core Panthic organisations that set-aside their personal issues and collectively come together on one platform, the better long-term (and short-term) outcome the Khalsa Panth can achieve.

It is same satnam paonta i was mentioning earlier.

They are having feet in two boats. Ludhiana gathering was Sarna sponsored and was a filure as few people attended.

There was an interview by Jathedar Partap Singh ji of Hazur sahib on PTC channel.

He told that Sarna had brought three bus load of Goondas ( Bad character persons)

to Harmandir sahib to show strength for Ragi darshan singh on Dec 5,2009.

I was surprised by the fact that they actually mentioned Manish Tiwari by name.

While it's true that, according to various websites, the MP for Ludhiana brought up the violence in the Indian Parliament, in no way was he standing up for the Sikhs. Rather, the Congress party is taking the line that Badal mismanaged the affair and President's Rule should be imposed in Punjab. Also, they said everyone has the right to hold any samagam they want, which basically means a pro-Ashutosh statement.

I think what Tiwari and the Congress would have preferred would be to use even more force, put down the Sikhs for good, and have the Ashutosh samagam go on for the full 3 days.

So why are a portion of Sikhs supporting them?

Because such organizations are their mouthpieces among sikhs.

Such persons do not know head and tale about DAsam granth.They read something come and waste time.When they are probed

they just run away shameless heretics.

Fighting for rights is not terrorism, unless you are on the side of the oppressor.

Fight but not with bullets... You need heavy control and discipline for that and real big organisation.

You can achieve your goals by other means. It is a developed society. If you/we are right, no one can deny you and you will get support which is essentail for success. Any one with a gun is not a freedom fighter. Change your leadership if you/we can and get results. You/we need good leaders. An army without a leader is useless and more dangerous.

Can you go to UNO with guns in your hands?

Nobody is fighting. Mind your words. They are asking ofr ban on this cult that uses bad language for our Gurus.

While doing that they have been sprayed with bullets.

Do not you get that?

Also, Sangat may want to note after numerous requests from the Panthic Jathebandhia and Sant Samaj, to hold only one united meeting yesterday, these groups did not listen in an attempt to disrupt unity. Jarnail Singh and his Tat Khalsa were in particular invited to share their views at a joint meeting, but they did not listen. As a result, in their own meeting in which was also present the principle of the missionary college, and others who go against Sree Dasam Granth Saahib, no hard or fixed stance/decision was taken apart from boycotting Badal and his Akali Dal. Very few people came to this meeting and only a few of their own likeminded Jathebandhia were present.

Note their thanks to Congress for help. Oh boy. They had gurnindak tarsem lal also there.

Then their remote boss sarna a stooge of congress and RSS

Is not it more reasonable to accept that someone added some verses to malign his writings? Now we can not be sure what he wrote and what he did not. Do not extend your imagination to explain every thing written in the Granth as His writing. it is going to rduce our religion to a laughing stock. It already has... Hindus have almost succeeded

Instead of replying to my question this sneaker is editing his old posts and putiing his material there. This is deception.This is what kala afghanis do

when they have no answer.Run away,sneakback and stab in the back/

If you know the writings that you say are not his let us discuss those here. It seems you do not know anything about Dasam Granth sahib and just posting heresays here. Dasam Granth is granth that gives us our identity, discards idol worship and demigods. This is Granth of khalsa.

Everything written in DG is by one writer. Internal evidence says that. That is guru Gobind singh ji. No human can write this type of writings.They are simply aweful.

Mind you this site does not permit slander of dasam granth. So if you have something up your sleeve write here.Otherwise simply making a general sattement derogatory of DG is not allowed.

Read in one charitra of charitopakhyan, names of Ram and shyam coming together.

ਝੂਮਕ ਦੇਤ ਝੁਕੈ ਝੁਮਕੇ ਕਬਿ ਰਾਮ ਸੁ ਭਾਵ ਭਲੋ ਲਖਿ ਪਾਯੋ ॥ ਮਾਨਹੁ ਸੌਤਿਨ ਕੇ ਮਨ ਕੋ ਇਕ ਬਾਰਹਿ ਬਾਧਿ ਕੈ ਜੇਲ ਚਲਾਯੋ ॥੧੯॥

ਸ੍ਯਾਮ ਭਨੈ ਮਹਿ ਲੋਕ ਕੀ ਮਾਨਹੁ ਮਾਨਨਿ ਕੋ ਮਨੁ ਮੋਹਨੁ ਆਯੋ ॥੩੨॥

No, he baptized khalsa. SGPC definition of 1925 somewhere states that if someone declares that he is sikh and follows sikh preachings then he is a sikh. Why are you trying to reduce sikh population? Anyway, it is a different issue.

ram and shyam... why should Our guru use these names used by her mother during his childhood... this is extending the argument too far.

What is the problem in accepting that Guru Ji used it as a common word for Lord/ God . It must be common those days to use these names. DID guru ji said that I am starting a new religion called sikhs which have to be different than Hindus and we have nothing to do with them..

Yes we are different but others also exist and Our GuruJi always preached for love to all humanity and equality.

Read SGPC rehat maryada first and then talk.

Who are we to question our Guru? I have written that Name Ram and shyam are same person as Charitopakhayn says. Is that not enough for you.

Yes first guru nanak said that his was a new reliigon when he discarded Hindu thread.

Maria sikka jagat vich

nank Nirmal panth chalaya

We do not say that others should not exist. But we also want to exist as our guru ordained.daily we see sikh agents bought out by anti sikh forces trying to say that bani which gives us identity is not by guru ji. Shame on such agents who sell their religion.

In My Opinion,

Also Gupt84,

Do you believe in The Flag of Khalsa? If so, Can you Show me where in Sri GuruGranth Sahib Ji the Flag of Khalsa is Described?!? Gupt84, you do not understand the Jyot and Jugati aspect of Khalsa. GuruGranth Sahib Ji is the Jyot of Khalsa; and we are given a Jugati as well!! It even includes a Flag! AND A LOT MORE!!!!!

And I am Very Calm.

You should post long posts; so your true self can be shown. You Should Show Your hatred for Khalsa Dharma UpFront.

It is sad that you have made your life to ATTACK Dasam Patshah Bani and Khande-Pahul Amrit of RehitVaan Panj Pyareh!!

And you cannot answer my points because you are not capable; for my points are based on the Foundations of Truth of Khalsa/Sikh Dharma.

Interestingly you have mentioned the Name Singh with all of the Names of Your List. And again you Put 'Singh' with the Name of Heretics like harmanjit and inder ghagga. You are obviously very close to them. They are not Singhs, They are Heretics.

I do not need any advice from you! You have broken a lot of people from Khalsa Dharma of RehitVaan Panj Pyareh and Khande Pahul Rehit!! This Karam you Will have to answer in the True Court YOURSELF!!!

It is Khalsa Dharma to FIGHT those who ATTACK!!! Aurangzebh ATTACKED with Physical Force!! And Your Team is ATTACKING ENTIRE KHALSA DHARMA!!! IT IS SAD YOU CONSIDER THE LIKES OF AURANGZEBH AS YOUR IDOL!!!! BOTH AURANGZEBH AND YOUR TEAM ATTACK KHALSA!!!!! ONE FROM OUTSIDE!! THE OTHER FROM WITHIN (LIKE YOU AND YOUR TEAM)!!!! KHALSA FINISHED AURANGZEBH; KHALSA CAN ALSO DESTROY ALL ENEMIES!!!!!

Also, you didn't mention the full name of Gurcharanjit Singh; you only said Lamba. This is very interesting! Because I know SPN HATE Gurcharanjit Singh Lamba!! COULD IT BE?!?!?! ARE YOU WHO I THINK YOU ARE??!?!?! SHOULDN'T YOU BE USING 'KAUR' IN YOUR NAME?!?!?!? COULD IT BE?!?!?!?! NO WAY!!!!! LOL!!!!

You don't have to (in)directly insult me! Do it UpFront!! When Those that ATTACK Dasam Patshah Bani and Khalsa Dharma Insult me; I consider that a Great Badge of Honor!!!! WE ARE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDES!!! YOU GET IT?!?! I LOVE REHITVAAN PANJ PYAREH AND KHALSA REHIT; AND YOU DON'T!!!!!

And Ballym, are you sure Sri GuruGranth Sahib Ji Does Not Say to Consider the Guru and God as One and The Same?

Chardi Kala!!!

Great Post bloom. These people want to finish Jugti part of sikhs. Then there will be no sikhs.

Keep well. you are doing a great seva.

Where is ballym? I am waiting for his reply?

Question. What is the identity of names 'Shyam' and 'Ram' that appear in some compositions of Dasam Granth?

Answer. This misunderstanding about the appearance of names 'Ram' and 'Shyam' in the Dasam Bani was first created by the self-styled puritans called the bhasurias. They tried to prove that most of the Dasam Granth was written by the poets Ram and Shyam, names which occur in one or two compositions in the Dasam Granth. There is more than sufficient internal and external evidence in every composition to show that all the writings in the Dasam Granth were the works of Guru Gobind Singh. The names Ram and Shyam are used in some places as pen names. Actually speaking, they were not pen names but poetic translations of Guruji's names. Guruji's name Gobind is an attributive name of God; so also are Ram and Shyam. In Sikh theology the three words govid, ram and syam mean the same thing as the following quotations from the Guru Granth prove:

siyam sundar taj nind kiun ai [Guru Arjan: Suhi]

siyam sundar taj an jo cahit jio, kusti tun jok [surdas: Sarang]

govid govid govid har govid guni nidhaan....

govid govid govid jap mukh ujhal pardhan [Guru Ram Das: // Kanra]

ram ram kirtan gae ram ram ram sada sahae [Guru Arjan: Rag Gond]

In all the above quotations from the Guru Granth the words ram, syam and govid mean the same thing; and so also they do in the Dasam Granth where they stand for Guru Gobind Singh. That is why two or sometime all three of these names occur in the same composition.* This practice of writing a synonym for the proper noun in the Dasam Granth applies not only to his own name but to many other names also. iln the Dasam Granth, Guru Gobind Singh writes Netra Trung for Naina Devi, Satdrav for Satluj, Dasampur for Anandpur, Shah Sangram for Sango Shah, and Madra-desh for the Punjab. Even in our own times Bhai Sahib Vir Singh's maternal uncle Pandit Hazara Singh wrote his name Hazoor Hari while his father Dr. Charan Singh wrote his name Charan Hari. Sardar Dharma Anant Singh, in his book Plato and the True Enlightener of Soul, writes the name of Sant Attar Singh as Mrigindus Atrus. So Ram, Shyam and Govind are synonymous names of Guru Gobind Singh.

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IT LOOKS FUNNY.... Nothing more to say..

Worry about spreading message for future generation. Guru Ji was just using a common word of those days... do not try to make foolish and funny meanings and make Our Guru as GOD. he naver claimed it and leave hm a GURU. He is better served like that...

He gave identity to Khalsa... that is waht he said......he gave us direction.. do not make him like a hindu diety. Guru Nanak also said that naam simran ( in your heart, not on loud speakers) is the way to attain God.

There is nothing funny in this.It was common practice to use pen names in those days.In swaiye of Bhats one bhat has used three names.

In one charitra of charitropakhayn both names Ram and shyam come thereby indicating that they were same.

What is important to see is if belief pattern of poets Ram and shyam was in line with Guramt or not.

Guru Nanak also said that naam simran ( in your heart, not on loud speakers) is the way to attain God

Sikhism had ten gurus.Guru gobind singh aksed his sikhs to be baptized with khande di pahul and wear kakkars.

By the way how we do naam simran?

Guru ji in all probability had been to turkey.

Spain is not that far off from Istanbul.Who knopws he might have been.

So Thakar singh is not far off.

Ik Oankar Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh is not equal to Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.

Where does it say that this was the verbal salutation by Guru Ji?

Can you show us that in SGGS ji?

I know what Harmanjit Singh, Dilgeer, Inder Singh Ghagga, Kala Afghana, etc stand for.

I also know what Baba Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale, Lamba, Thakur Singh Patialawala, etc stand for.

It is necessary to know both sides inside out.

We know what for dilgeer,ghagha,kalu stand for.

We also know waht for Sant ji stood and sacrificed for.

Do you know more than that and then tell us.

Shabad for me is the Dhur Ki Bani in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaaj

If someone is not educated what does he do?

If I am not mistaken, the Dohra 'Agya Bhaee Akaal Ki' is preserved at Hazur Sahib from the time of Guru Ji's Joti Jot.

There are any versions at the time of departure.Some say that Guru sahib ordered khalsa to be guru.Kavi sainapat writes that.It is written by Giani Gian singh.

But it does not come in SGGS ji and hence yardstick of only following what is written in SGGS is destroyed.