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Singh123., i thinkk dalbir has saved me time....paaji just want to add jhatka doesnt mean. We should eat khula mass...

Hunting/jhatka is something one can choose to do..maharaj encouaged it didnt make it mandotary...

If you you speak to nihangs in india you will find 3 types in generall.

1-those that go hunting do jhatka regulary

2-those who will only do it or consume mahaprashad on jor meleh

3-those who will not participate or consume mahaprashad at all..

But the beauty of it is they respect each others view and happily sit together... even at j8r meleh nihangs while giving mahaprashad to sangat will say do not think now you have the right to eat khulla mass..so you dont have to do it but to say you should not do it only at time of war is as much of an imbalance as those who say you have to do it if you'r a warrior...like neo paji said who have to be honest with your self...jhatka should not be performed merely for your ego/taste etc..theres a difference between a sikh, amritdhari and a nihang...satogun. diet is encouraged to the first two, more stricktly by shant ras as mass/garlic etcwill trigger heat strongly in their body which increase kaam/krodh..nihangs predominantly follow satoguni diet but some hunt and consume mahaprasad....the theory is simple..

Agreed, but when was the last time Nihang Singhs went out and fought for the Khalsa Panth. Many attacks take place on Sikhs, but never do you hear about Nihang Singhs going out to defend the Sikhs. One just happened in Delhi. Where are these Nihangs now. They have a duty to stand up for righteousness with the sword, so why not act on this duty?

How many times have you heard that 3HO cult does Kundalini Yoga JUST for exercise. Well that is what they sell to you at the beginning. Here is a video of this cult saying that Kundalini Yoga heals depression. Read Gurbani and understand what Satguru says about mudras. This is your Sikhi being distorted for money.

Just in case you are wondering who is Spirit Voyage. It is one of many 3HO cult organizations.

Why are you glorifying him by calling him an "urban Sikh"?

He's not an urban Sikh. He's a fool.

When I say urban Sikh I mean those people that Sant ji describes in this video. These urban Sikhs call Sant ji pendu and Sant ji shows these urban Sikhs their true colors.

It would be helpful to get some facts on this situation - as they seem to be pretty sparse on this site and on Sikh Channel coverage.......before any of you Gatka warriors book your flights to Delhi.

I have read the coverage in The Hindu, Times of India and Mail Today and they suggest that there have been a number of incidents between these two impoverished communities - the Sikhs and the Harijans (Valmiki).

Have you noticed these fools only show up on this forum to spread misinformation. This congress cheerleader should make sure his dhoti does not fall down in public.

Sikhi is personal and for too long we have had a sant ji says this and sant ji intepreted this in his katha and thats what i believe we have become sheep to these "sants" or these more "learned" people and then we wonder why the youth leave sikhi in droves because they are forced out for asking questions. They barely know the basics because its so regimented now by the patronising people who run our gurdwara and committees.

Because of Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh ji Khalsa, Sant Baba Kartar Singh ji Khalsa picked Sant Baba Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa as Jathedar and he drove home the Dharam Yudh Morcha. Because of Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh ji Khalsa today we have learned Gurmukhs that are teaching proper pronunciation of Gurbani to countless youths all around the world.

You cannot even be the dust under Sant ji's feet. Sant ji went from village to village teaching sangat to only bow to Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj as Guru. Sant ji discussed with Hindu Sadhus, Udhasis, Nirmale, among others and brought them to Gurmat; to Satguru's feet. Countless Sikhs took Amrit after listening to his Katha of Gurbani. Ever heard of Shaheed Jathedar Bhai Gurdev Singh Ji Kaunke? Sant ji through the blessing of Satguru transferred normal Sikhs into Saint Soldiers.

Sant ji brought a Brahmin to his knees who challenged Sant ji on doing Katha on just IK Onkar. The Katha went on for weeks and there was no end in sight. The Brahmin's ego was destroyed.

Before you run your mouth on Sant ji, go to your local university and close it down as you don't need learned invdividuals. Yet you hang your worldly degree proudly in a frame for all to see. This is how pathetic you are. Just because Satguru did not give Baba Deep Singh ji Khalsa a piece of paper certifying him does not mean we don't have a formal system to learn Gurbani. Again you really show how big of a imbecile you are.

And to add the icing to the imbecile cake. If we don't need to listen to Gurmukhs, then you can't call those who use Sikhi as a tool for terrorism bad. For their interpretation is just as correct as your stupidity. No benchmark means everything goes. So next time Sikhs are called terrorist because of 1985 air india bombing, you have to agree that was Sikhi.

I really enjoying showing how stupid you urban Sikhs are.

I suppose it boils down to what type of person you want to be.

Everyones INTEPRETATION of bani is different you do not have the entire say so on what is and what isnt maryada etc.

Now although i believe that a marriage in front of guru ji should be between man and a woman that is my PERSONAL interpretation and if said gay sikh was to question me i would advice him of the reasons why i BELIEVE that this is the reason.

Sikhi is personal and for too long we have had a sant ji says this and sant ji intepreted this in his katha and thats what i believe we have become sheep to these "sants" or these more "learned" people and then we wonder why the youth leave sikhi in droves because they are forced out for asking questions. They barely know the basics because its so regimented now by the patronising people who run our gurdwara and committees.

Read bani intepret for yourself be happy and everyone else who says no this is wrong or this isnt the correct way of doing this (not just in this issue) let them bark as they will never affect your life! Daya, Nimrata and Pyare are just some of the qualities that the majority of posters seem to miss on this forum (discounting Questioner/Neosingh/Mehtab Singh who always seem to exhibit these virtues and as such are the posters on this forum who actually change peoples minds or in other words bring people to the light)

This drum is always beaten when a person wants to avoid Gurmat Veechar. Let's look into history and see if this "everyone interprets Gurbani differently and we can personalize Sikhi" really passes the test. Surely we have Sikh history that gives us concrete examples of what is described as personal Sikhi and what is described as Gurmat. I am going to pick Sakhis that are well know in the Sikh community.

Take the Sakhi of Bhai Kanhaiya ji. Singhs accused Bhai Kanhaiya ji of helping the enemy laying in the battlefield hurt by giving them water. Bhai Sahib's actions were reported to Satguru and Satguru called Bhai Sahib to his court to be judged. Satguru asked Bhai Sahib why are you helping the enemy that we fought against. Bhai Sahib explains that he did not see friend or foe laying on the dirt with wounds, but he saw Akal Purakh in each of them. After hearing this Satguru told the whole court that this is the true actions of Satguru's Sikh because he understood the teachings of Gurbani correctly.

Is the above response a personal interpretation of Gurbani that Bhai Sahib gave to Satguru? No, it was a Gurmat reponse that comes from Gurbani. Which side was expressing personal intrepretations of Sikhi? It was the Singhs that accused Bhai Sahib ji of helping the enemy. They could have given a whole lot of personal reasons and Satguru rejected every single one of them. Personalization of Sikhi was rejected along with personal intrepretations of Sikhi.

Take another Sakhi of Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj's children and Bhai Lehna Ji. Satguru commanded many tasks to his two sons and Bhai Lehna ji. However, every time Satguru's two sons had a personal reason to say no, this is not logical. This does not fit into what my mind is thinking. Bhai Sahib did the opposite. Bhai Sahib having the teachings of Gurmat engraved on his forehead would get up without questioning or doubting and complete the task. Gurbani tells us for doubting and defying Satguru's orders the two sons are worse than manmukhs. They had their personal interpretations of what is Gurbani (what Satguru is ordering) saying. Satguru rejected their interpretations.

This personal Sikhi idea is a new concept made by urban Sikhs to follow the ego. Just for everyone's info, even before listening to Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh ji's Katha on the tuks which I presented, I understood what Satguru is saying. If people don't want to except Scholars on the topic of Gurbani, then they should curse Satguru for doing katha of Gurbani and then telling Baba Deep Singh ji and Bhai Mani Singh ji to continue the teaching of Katha of Gurbani and giving correct interpretations.

If you visit langar management at harmandir sahib. you will find many westerns with head covers cutting vegetables and peeling onions outside

at entrance. That is perfectly in order.

That is how we get new entrants among some of them.

In 1960s Col Nasser was president of Egypt.He came to pay a visit to harmandir sahib along his staff while on visit to india.

He took langar sitting on the ground(That time there was no langar hall). He was so impressed by the scene that he emptied

his pockets and donated every penny for langar.

Such institutions are open for all. We cann't debar anyone. The maiin purpose is to serve humanity in need.

This is all good when non-Sikhs have no agenda. But do you think there were any times in history when ONLY Amritdharis were allowed to make langar for sangat and Satguru's fauj?

Some Gurdwara allow degh to be brought from homes. Sure this encourages people to participate in the process, but there has been cases where foreign material like nails were put in degh and then brought to the Gurdwara. It was some form of black magic. So people believe in a lot of things and telling who is Sikh from a non-Sikh is very hard.

Those that do seva in Langar halls and speak to the main caretakers will know what evil intentions some of the sangat has and how to best deal with such bad intentions.

Watch the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aBsPssfMgc#at=235

It's already been established anand karaj should not be between homosexuals but only sikh man and sikh woman.

But i just wanted to point out after research on this shabad..this shabad does not talks about homosexuals nor it condemns them to hell a) as khusrai is known as transexual/ਹਿਜੜੇ (3rd gender) not homosexuals b) mainly because shabad is talking about nature of fools by giving examples - deep water to a fish, vast sky do to the bird, cold do to stone, married life to a eunuch, sandalwood oil to dog, teaching deaf person, light before blind man, gold before herd of cattle etc at the end - by giving all these examples guru maharaj says- this is nature of fool everything he speaks is useless and wasted.

Lets not bring gurbani into this as we are inadvertently/advertently fall into misinterpertating gurbani which can be further hijacked by right wing element in our panth, uphelding maryada is good enough to ban anand karaj marriage between homosexuals.

Jonny101 please tell this person what the meaning is and how the tuks are speaking on homosexuality. Anything I say goes right past this member. Sant ji put it clear as possible and then I translated it and put it down as clear as possible, but this member is still stuck on understanding it.

If you look at his post before talking about raag kirtan he said "bin there done that.".I was replying to him about that...Not about raag kirtan..I actually love raag kirtan...I go to jawaddi taksal when I go to India...There they teach how to do kirtan in raag.

So Singh just to clear it up I wasn't meaning anything about raag kirtan...

Okay............I had not read the full discussion. Just was caught off guard.

I hope this learned hair cut GS Mann is not allowed to speak in any Gurudwara.

Keep doing your ardas to you limited God and maybe your wishes will be granted

Why do these opinionated folks stay in hiding when Gurbani Veechar is happening on this forum. Gurbani has been presented on this topic of homosexuality. Nobody needs your opinion on this topic.

For the folks that ignored the thread that showed Gurbani speaking this topic, please take a look at this link:

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/72415-revealed-the-so-called-uk-indian-gays-pushing-the-anti-sikh-agenda/page-3

And here is the Gurbani that speaks on this topic:

ਪਥਰ ਪਾਲਾ ਕਿਆ ਕਰੇ ਖੁਸਰੇ ਕਿਆ ਘਰ ਵਾਸੁ ॥ ang 143

And you don't need to answer my question right now. Take some time and think about it. This is no rat race.

So do you think Sikhi practices are independent?

What do you mean on their own?

Independent practice

Do Sikhi practices like Chaur Sahib di seva stand on their own?

Sounds like you everyone else knows more about kundalini yoga more than the actual students that participate ! :stupidme:

I don't think that it is creating a false veil or mask of illusion, since i'm not even trying to awaken my kundalini because it is already awakened ! :biggrin2:

I don't need to take cocaine to know what the side effects are of it. :biggrin2:

The illusion is that you think it is not an illusion. Many take cocaine to stay awake, but damn does it give a person a really good high without knowing it. Even superman doesn't have anything on them.

Chaur sahib is a fly whisk it was a culture throughout the world to get rid of flies off a monarch. In india there are loads of flies, it keeps them away from landing on the saroop. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly-whisk

Maybe we could install electric fly killers across gurdwaras don't know how people feel about actually killing the fly as opposed to disturbing their fly patterns, we already kill rats and mice in gurdwaras as it is.

In the nanak prakash earlier on in the suraj prakash granth it says the pandit who came to visit guru nanak saw the symbol of a fly whisk on one of his palms and a tambo on the other.

Can you think of any other reason why Chaur Sahib di seva is being done over Maharaj?

The diva was probably there due to a lack of electricity and lighting in the past, it's a modern invention. The water probably because indoor plumbing is a new thing aswell, as is the motor vehicle which helps in transporting water in bottles. Perhaps after long prayers for a good time a good drink of water with a slice of coconut helps regain nutrients. What can you do blind rituals enter, but the bigger problem is when people start charging for these services and products it goes cultish over the top. Maybe one day we will have to start buying prasad as they do so in some mandirs already.

So why still keep Chaur Sahib di seva?

they can clean but are they equal? Can they talk or ask questions of sikhi or do katha can they get on stage and preach sikhi? can a moneh read an akhand paath?

From personal experience I have seen moneh doing various seva. From doing seva of Maharaj's Takht to seva of participating in an Akhand Paath and langar. When they were doing seva of Maharaj's Takht di seva it was a race to get the job done regardless of how it will look. There was no pyare and sharda put into the seva. Also during an Akhand Paath the moneh was more interested in who was coming and bowing before Maharaj than reading Sri Jap Ji Sahib. Also in the langar hall I have seen moneh rush through langar di seva and the main focus is to get the job done. A phone call comes, pick up the call and start talking while giving out langar. Sitting and talking with many moneh about seva and they say the same thing. Seva is a job.............get it done and leave............so what if sucha is not completely kept.

Katha can only be done by learned individuals. Example is of GS Mann who speaks on Sri Dasam Granth Sahib ji and he has a hair cut.

Hatha yoga is different to Kundalani Yoga, there are many sub-divisions of yoga just like the number of religions. Hatha yoga is just about stretches really. The mantras stuff is bhakti yoga, then jnana yoga is yoga of knowledge all to attain union with brahma or his manifestations.

Hatha yoga incorporates postures no doubt, but the end goal with the postures and breath control is suppose to control the mind and ultimately lead to Samadhi. Such practices are rejected in Gurbani as they don't control the mind and do not lead to Samadhi. The yogis sitting in the mountains for thousands of years could not control the mind with these types of yogas, what makes you think anyone else will be able too?

Again cocaine does not cure a wound caused by a foreign object being jammed in a person. The cocaine mask's the actual problem. Kundalini and other similar yogas do the same thing. If you have a health issue, then find the source for the health issue and then the health issue can be cured through medicine that attacks the source.