ChakdePhatte

Sun Singh I respect your views. Having multifaith environment nothing wrong, but under the carpet what these organizations are doing is the question. Baba Virsa singh promoted himself, as I have seen in Delhi. You might have seen the pics, which shabad did those raagis and Dhadhis sung on Christmas, Mother mary's & Siri Chand's Birthday. My dear, these people make fool of us that they respect all, reality is only promotion of themselves and their own shop. We are to go by what guru says not their so called servants. For a sikh only SGGS is important, nothing else. As Guru Nanak says Cheree kee sevaa kare thaakur nahee deesai, pokhar neer viroleeai maakhan nahee reesai [He serves the maid, and does not see his Lord and Master. Churning the water in the pond, no butter is produced.] Regarding Baba Siri Chand, even Guru Nanak didn't found him eligible for the Guru Gaddi, and Siri Chand became udassi, which is against Sikhi concept. He is not regarded as a Sikh. That is why Virsa Singh promoted Dasam Granth and Siri Chand to create confusion and promote himself. Now a days Akal Takht is under the influence of Badal. Whatever he says, Jathedar at Akal Takht do the same. They are mere tame dogs, who wag their tail as their master says. They don't have their own mind. If Dasam Granth issues were coming up, why didn't Akal Takht tried to solve it. Vedanti has the tendency to linger on the things. Let the people speak, they will speak for day or two, and every issue vanishes. Deal with the issues. He gave the hukumnama that he will deal afterwards, and nobody should speak. O my dear humble Sikh, try to understand. If they had to solve the things it would have been done long ago. Now when somebody is trying, Iqbal SIngh made chaos. Now people have awakened, they know what is right or wrong. The people who are defending are only Taksalis, Akhand Kirtani Jatha (one part) and few Babas. These all don't follow what Akal Takht says. Do they follow Akal Takhts Rehat Maryada. NO.......... All these have their own Maryada. Farida Kale Likh na Lekh, apanrre girebaan meh sir nivaan kar vekh. Baba Fareed says, if you have a keen understanding, then do not write black marks against anyone else. Look underneath your own collar instead. Reg your ques: Does Darshan Singh accept Jaap Sahib, Tav Prasaad Svaiye, and Chaupai Sahib as Gurbani? What is his stance on them? Answer: Yes, he accepts Jaap Sahib, Tav Prasaad Svaiye and Chaupai (Hamri Karo Haath de Rachha ............Dusht Dokh te leyo bachai) which as per Akal Takht's maryada. As he said these in recent diwans also. Moreover he had recorded "Tav Prasaad Svaiye" recently, which is available in market too. Why did he suddenly change his stance on Dasam Bani? I mean the specific reason, what happened to convince him to change his mind on it? Answer: He didn't change his stance on so called Dasam Granth. As Dasam Bani is different than the so called Dasam Granth is different. Dasam Bani is which is having same concept as SGGS (as you also have written above) and few of the other Shabads which are intermingled by the miscreants with the garbage. By just putting "Dasam" in front doesn't make that granth as Dasam Granth. Even some of the copies bear "Dasam Sri Guru Granth Sahib" also. Is this not against Guru and Akal Takht's verdict? He has been saying it since long but, after the recent controversy he had to come in front now. Guru Rakha

Sun Singh Its ok to have mutual understanding between religions, but intermingling them has problem. These deras like Gobind Sadan, Sacha Sauda, Radha Swami etc. are just shops to attract people to distract from their path. These deras just use Sri Guru Granth Sahib to attract people and when their shop is able to make millions of money, then their real face come out. View Gobind Sadan's web site http://www.gobindsadan.net/gallery2/v/events/mothermary/ http://www.gobindsadan.net/gallery2/v/events/christmas2006/ and many more, browse through all. Does Sikhism allows Idol worship? About Baba Siri Chand who was Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji's elder son, Guru ji himself didn't gave Gurugaddi to Srir Chand. But this Virsa Singh promoted Siri Chand and Dasam Granth. Is it not against Sikhism? And reg Prof. Darshan Singh, why he should talk to any organization? When Akal Takht is there, why not Jathedar Akal Takht summons him? Organizations who challenged him in Punjab at Damdama Sahib, what is their authority? Then anyone who wants to challenge him will make some socities and organizations now & then, calls him to debate with them. Why? If Akal Takht has any problem with him, Jathedar Akal Takht should summon him. But he will not, as he is spreading only Akal Takhts edicts and maryada which is not accepted by Akhand Kirtani Jatha, Taksal, other Babas including Nanaksar, Gatka Jathas etc. That is why they challenge him not Akal Takht. As of today 24 May 2008, read spokesman http://www.***anti-sikh website not allowed***/fullpage.as...=24&pview=7 he is ready to do katha of controversial parts of Dasam Granth. Guru Rakha

Gurmat Sangeet Which means the sangeet which is according to Guru's mat, but I think you should be "Mata diyan Bheta", as you are not going according to what Guru said. "Agya bhayi akaal ki, tabhai chlayo panth, sabh sikhan ko hukam hai Guru maneyo granth". Granth only and only Sri Guru Granth Sahib not so called Dasam Granth. As far as Akal Takht, I am going according to Akal Takht sahib's maryada, which clearly mentions, The Definition of Sikh Ariticle 1 Any human being who faithfully believes in (i) One Immortal Being, (ii) Ten Gurus, from Guru Nanak Dev to Guru Gobind Singh, (iii) The Guru Granth Sahib, (iv) The utterances and teachings of the ten Gurus and (v) the baptism bequeathed by the tenth Guru, and who does not owe allegiance to any other religion, is a Sikh. where is Dasam Granth in it? Its a diffenet issue that you might be a Taksali or follower of any other Baba, who never follows Akal Takht's Maryada. Above all, Akal Takht is not Supreme, Akal Purakh is. Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib made Akal Takht symbol for political sovereignty of Sikhs, not for excommunicating sikhs. It went to wrong hands, which started abusing the Guru's edict. Jathedar is not Guru. Nowadays Jathedars are mere jokers who just Dance what Badal and Badal like politicians say. Last, but not the least, I am not hiding behind computer, I sit in front as you do. Keyboard is in the front of computer not behind. Gussa nahin karna, waiting for reply.

Veerji You have extracted "from gobindsadan.org " which is a anti-sikh organization. They worship idols of Baba Sri Chand, Jesus Christ, Mother Mary. Visit Gobind sadan's web site http://www.gobindsadan.net/gallery2/main.php and see what they do. You have written " However, Sant Jarnail Singh ji fully believed in and supported Dasam Granth Sahib ji. In fact, Dasam Granth is parallel prakash at Taksaali gurdwaras in India. Did Sant ji work to merge sikhs into hindus?" Taksaali Gurudwaras are place of Brahamanical rituals. Read Giani Gurbachan Singh Bhindranwale's book, " Gurbani Paath Darshan ", you will get to know what they want. Full of rituals. Sant Jarnail Singh was a warrior, what he did is matchless. But if he supported Dasam Granth doesn't mean his wordings are final and supreme. Taksaal made his Qurbani worthless by telling lies that he is Alive, for more than 20 years in front of SGGS. If Sikhs can't learn from SGGS which is Shabad Guru, ordered by Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji as "Sabh Sikhan ko Hukam hai, Guru Maneyo Granth", what they will learn from so called Dasam Granth which even he didn't promoted. Sikh can read Dasam Granth, and other scriptures but our only Guru is SGGS. Do you do prakash of Bhai Gurdass ji's vaars, Bhai Nand Lal's ghazals, which are sung in Gurudwaras. NO........ then why DG. Taksalis read Upnashids, Purans, Vedas and every other Hindu scriptures, then do the parallel prakash of these also with SGGS.

Which holy scripture are you talking about? Did Guru Gobind Singh give Gurgaddi to Guru Granth Sahib or so called Dasam Granth, which contains writings like Krishna Avataar, Rudra Avataar, Brahma Avataar, Chandi Charitra and so on..... then Charitro Pakhyan the biggest part of granth which is all garbage. Don't go on what I write, read yourself on http://www.dasamgranth.org/dasamgranth/ which is site of Dasam Granth supporter Virsa Singh. The supporters of so called Dasam Granth wants to merge Sikhs into Hindus and make them characterless as Iqbal Singh himself is. Except Jaap Sahib, 10 Sawaiyye, Chaupai (Hamri Karo haath ..........Dusht dokh te leyo bachai) and few more shabads. Rest all is garbage. Open your eyes Singh ji. Chak de phate Ajit is a respected newspaper and does not allow baseless news in its column.The news says that sikhs whose names are given placed some questions in froont of Darshan Bhatra but Darshan Bhatra refused to answer these questions. The news of atatck on Darshan lal bhatra wass in spkesman also. Next your above statements about Dasam granth is a total bundle of lies,misleading and far from truth.Dasam granth condemns these avtars in the worst possible language.You people including darshan lal Bhatra know nothing about Dasam granth and spreading misinformation about this important granth of sikhs. Only agents of GOI call this scripture in this language.Not real sikhs.Read what this Granth says about Hindu avtars ਦਸਮ ਬਾਣੀ ਵਿਚ ਅਵਤਾਰਵਾਦ ਦਾ ਖੰਡਨ ਕਿਤੇ ਕਿਸਨ ਸੇ ਕੀਟ ਕੋਟੈ ਉਪਾਏ, ਉਸਾਰੇ ਗੜੇ ਫਿਰ ਮੇਟੇ ਬਨਾਏ॥ He hath Created millions of Krishnas like worms. He Created them, annihilated them, again destroyed them, still again Created them. --------------- ਕਿਤੇ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਸੇ ਕੀਟ ਕੋਟੈ ਬਨਾਏ ॥ ਕਿਤੇ ਰਾਮ ਸੇ ਮੇਟਿ ਡਾਰੇ ਉਪਾਏ ॥ Somewhere He hath created millions of servants like Krishna. Somewhere He hath effaced and then created (many) like Rama. (pg.98) --------------- ਰਾਮ ਰਹੀਮ ਉਬਾਰ ਨ ਸਕਹੈ ਜਾਕਰ ਨਾਮ ਰਟੈ ਹੈ॥ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਬਿਸ਼ਨ ਰੁਦ੍ਰ ਸੂਰਹ ਸਸਿ ਤੇ ਬਸਿ ਕਾਲ ਸਭੈ ਹੈ ॥੧ (ਸ. ਹਜਾਰੇ) Ram and Rahim whose names you are uttering cant save you. Brahma, Vishnu Shiva, Sun and Moon, all are subject to the power of Death.1. .(pg.1349) --------------- ਰਾਮ ਰਹੀਮ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਕੁਰਾਨ ਅਨੇਕ ਕਹੈਂ ਮਤ ਏਕ ਨ ਮਾਨਯੋ॥ ਸਿੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਸਾਸਤ੍ਰ ਬੇਦ ਸਭੈ ਬਹੁ ਭੇਦ ਕਹੈਂ ਹਮ ਏਕਨ ਜਾਨਯੋ॥ ਪਾਂਇ ਗਹੇ ਜਬ ਤੇ ਤੁਮਰੇ ਤਬ ਤੇ ਕੋਊ ਆਂਖ ਤਰੇ ਨਹੀ ਆਨਯੋ ॥ (ਰਾਮਾਵਤਾਰ) O God ! the day when I caught hold of your feet, I do not bring anyone else under my sight; none other is liked by me now; the Puranas and the Quran try to know Thee by the names of Ram and Rahim and talk about you through several stories, but I do not accept these --------------- ਜਾਕਰ ਰੂਪ ਰੰਗ ਨਹਿ ਜਨਿਯਤ ਸੋ ਕਿਮ ਸਯਾਮ ਕਹੈ ਹੈ॥ (ਸਬਦ ਹਜ਼ਾਰੇ ਪਾ.10) He, whose form and colour are not, how can he be called Shyaam (black)? .(p1349) --------------- ਕਾਹੂ ਕਹਯੋ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨਾਂ ਕਹੁ ਕਾਹੂ ਮਨੈ ਅਵਤਾਰਨ ਮਾਨਯੋ॥ ਫੋਕਟ ਧਰਮ ਬਿਸਾਰ ਸਭੈ ਕਰਤਾਰ ਹੀ ਕਉ ਕਰਤਾ ਜੀਅ ਜਾਨਯੋ॥...ਅੰਤ ਮਰੇ ਪਛੁਤਾਇ ਪ੍ਰਿਥੀ ਪਰ, ਜੇ ਜਗ ਮੈ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਕਹਾਏ॥(33 ਸਵੈਯੇ) Someone calls Him Ram or Krishna and someone believes in His incarnations, but my mind has forsaken all useless actions and has accepted only One Creator.12. (p.1352) --------------- ਕਾਲ ਹੀ ਪਾਇ ਭਇਓ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਗਹਿ ਦੰਡ ਕਮੰਡਲ ਭੂਮ ਭ੍ਰਮਾਨਯੋ ॥ ਕਾਲ ਹੀ ਪਾਇ ਸਦਾ ਸ਼ਿਵਜੂ ਸਭ ਦੇਸ ਬਿਦੇਸ ਭਇਆ ਹਮ ਜਾਨਯੋ ॥ Brahma came into being under the control of time and taking his staff and pot his hand, he wandered on the earth; Shiva was also under the control of time and wandered in various countries far and near; --------------- ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਔ ਬਿਸਨ ਜਪੇ ਤੁਹਿ ਕੋਟਿਕ ਰਾਮ ਰਹੀਮ ਭਲੀ ਬਿਧਿ ਧਿਆਯੋ ॥ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਜਪਿਓ ਅਰੁ ਸੰਭੁ ਥਪਿਓ ਤਿਹ ਤੇ ਤੁਹਿ ਕੋ ਕਿਨਹੂੰ ਨ ਬਚਾਯੋ ॥……..ਤੋਹਿ ਬਚਾਇ ਸਕੈ ਕਹੁ ਕੈਸੇ ਕੈ ਆਪਨ ਘਾਵ ਬਚਾਇ ਨ ਐਹੈ ॥ਕੋਪ ਕਰਾਲ ਕੀ ਪਾਵਕ ਕੁੰਡ ਮੈ ਆਪ ਟੰਗਿਓ ਤਿਮ ਤੋਹਿ ਟੰਗੈਹੈ ॥ Thou hast meditated on millions of Krishnas, Vishnus, Ramas and Rahims. Thou hast recited the name of Brahma and established Shivalingam, even then none could save thee…….They cannot save themselves form the blow of death, how can they protect thee? They are all hanging in the blazing fire of anger, therefore they will cause thy hanging similarly. (pg111) --------------- ਮੈ ਨ ਗਨੇਸ਼ਹਿ ਪ੍ਰਿਥਮ ਮਨਾਊਂ ॥ ਕਿਸ਼ਨ ਬਿਸ਼ਨ ਕਬਹੂੰ ਨਹ ਧਿਆਊਂ ॥ਕਾਨ ਸੁਨੇ ਪਹਿਚਾਨ ਨ ਤਿਨ ਸੋਂ ॥ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਗੀ ਮੋਰੀ ਪਗ ਇਨ ਸੋਂ ॥੪੩੪॥ (ਕ੍ਰਿ.ਵਤਾਰ) I do not adore Ganesha in the beginning and also do not meditate on Krishna and Vishnu; I have only heard about them with my ears and I do not recognize them; my consciousness is absorbed at the feet of the Supreme Lord.434. --------------- ਖੋਜ ਰਹੇ ਸ਼ਿਵ ਸੇ ਜਿਹ ਅੰਤ ਅਨੰਤ ਕਹਿਓ ਥਕ ਅੰਤ ਨ ਪਾਯੋ ॥ ਤਾਹੀ ਕੀ ਬਾਤ ਸੁਨੋ ਤੁਮਰੇ ਮੁਖ ਤੇ ਸੁਕਦੇਵ ਇਹੈ ਠਹਰਾਯੋ ॥੨੪੦੩॥ He, whom Shiva etc. had been searching, but could not know His Mystery; O Shukdev ! relate to me the story of that Lord.2403. --------------- ਜੌ ਕਹੌ ਰਾਮ ਅਜੋਨਿ ਅਜੈ ਅਤਿ ਕਾਹੇ ਕੌ ਕੌਸ਼ਲ ਕੁੱਖ ਜਯੋ ਜੂ ॥ ਕਾਲ ਹੂੰ ਕਾਲ ਕਹੈ ਜਿਹਿ ਕੌ ਕਿਹਿ ਕਾਰਣ ਕਾਲ ਤੇ ਦੀਨ ਭਯੋ ਜੂ ॥ If you consider Ram, the Lord as Unborn, then how did he take birth from the womb of Kaushalya? He, who is said to be the destroyer of death, then why did he become subjugated himself before death? ਸੱਤ ਸਰੂਪ ਬਿਬੈਰ ਕਹਾਇ ਸੁ ਕਯੋਂ ਪਥ ਕੌ ਰਥ ਹਾਂਕ ਧਯੋ ਜੂ ॥ ਤਾਹੀ ਕੋ ਮਾਨਿ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਕਰਿ ਕੈ ਜਿਹ ਕੋ ਕੋਊ ਭੇਦੁ ਨ ਲੇਨ ਲਯੋ ਜੂ ॥੧੩॥ If he (Krishna) is called the Truth-incarnate, beyond enmity and opposition, then why did he become the charioteer of Arjuna? O mind! you only consider him the Lord God, whose Mysetry could not be known to anyone.13. ਕਯੋਂ ਕਹੁ ਕ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਨ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਨਿਧ ਹੈ ਕਿਹ ਕਾਜ ਤੇ ਬੱਧਕ ਬਾਣ ਲਗਾਯੋ ॥ ਅਉਰ ਕੁਲੀਨ ਉਧਾਰਤ ਜੋ ਕਿਹ ਤੇ ਅਪਨੋ ਕੁਲ ਨਾਸੁ ਕਰਾਯੋ ॥ Krishna himself is considered the treasure of Grace, then why did the hunter shot his arrow at him? He has been described as redeeming the clans of others then he caused the destruction of his own clan; ਆਦਿ ਅਜੋਨਿ ਕਹਾਇ ਕਹੋ ਕਿਮ ਦੇਵਕਿ ਕੇ ਜਠਰੰਤਰ ਆਯੋ ॥ ਤਾਤ ਨ ਮਾਤ ਕਹੈ ਜਿਹ ਕੋ ਤਿਹ ਕਯੋਂ ਬਸੁਦੇਵਹਿ ਬਾਪੁ ਕਹਾਯੋ ॥੧੪॥ If he (Krishna) is said to be unborn and without a beginning, then how did he come into the womb of Devaki? He, who is considered without any father or mother, then why did he cause Vasudev to be called his father? 14. ਕਾਹੇ ਕੋ ਏਸ਼ ਮਹੇਸ਼ਹਿ ਭਾਖਤ ਕਾਹਿ ਦਿਜੇਸ਼ ਕੋ ਏਸ ਬਖਾਨਯੋ ॥ ਹੈ ਨ ਰਘ੍ਵੇਸ਼ ਜਦ੍ਵੇਸ਼ ਰਮਾਪਤਿ ਤੈ ਜਿਨ ਕੌ ਬਿਸ੍ਵਨਾਥ ਪਛਾਨਯੋ ॥ Why do you consider Shiva or Brahma as the Lord? There is none amongst Ram, Krishna and Vishnu, who may be considered as the Lord of the Universe by you; ਏਕ ਕੋ ਛਾਡਿ ਅਨੇਕ ਭਜੈ ਸੁਕਦੇਵ ਪਰਾਸਰ ਬਯਾਸ ਝੁਠਾਨਯੋ ॥ ਫੋਕਟ ਧਰਮ ਸਜੇ ਸਭ ਹੀ ਹਮ ਏਕ ਹੀ ਕੌ ਬਿਧ ਨੈਕ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਨਯੋ ॥੧੫॥ Relinquishing the One Lord, you remember many gods and goddesses; in this way ਕੋਊ ਦਿਜੇਸ਼ ਕੋ ਮਾਨਤ ਹੈ ਅਰੁ ਕੋਊ ਮਹੇਸ਼ ਕੋ ਏਸ਼ ਬਤੈ ਹੈ ॥ ਕੋਊ ਕਹੈ ਬਿਸ਼ਨੋ ਬਿਸ਼ਨਾਇਕ ਜਾਹਿ ਭਜੇ ਅਘ ਓਘ ਕਟੈ ਹੈ ॥ Someone calls Brahma as the Lord-God and someone tells the same thing about Shiva; someone considers Vishnu as the hero of the universe and says that only by remembering him, all the sins will be destroyed; ਬਾਰ ਹਜ਼ਾਰ ਬਿਚਾਰ ਅਰੇ ਜੜ ਅੰਤ ਸਮੈ ਸਭ ਹੀ ਤਜਿ ਜੈ ਹੈ ॥ ਤਾਹੀ ਕੋ ਧਯਾਨ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਨਿ ਹੀਏ ਜੋਊ ਥੇ ਅਬ ਹੈ ਅਰੁ ਆਗੈ ਊ ਹ੍ਵੈ ਹੈ ॥੧੬॥ O fool ! think about it a thousand times, all of them will leave you at the time of death. Therefore, you should only meditate on Him, who was in the past, is there in the present and will also be there in the future.16. ਕੋਟਕ ਇੰਦ੍ਰ ਕਰੇ ਜਿਹ ਕੋ ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਉਪਿੰਦ੍ਰ ਬਾਨਇ ਖਪਾਯੋ ॥ ਦਾਨਵ ਦੇਵ ਫਨਿੰਦ੍ਰ ਧਰਾਧਰ ਪੱਛ ਪਸੂ ਨਹਿ ਜਾਤਿ ਗਨਾਯੋ ॥ He, who created millions of Indras and Upendras and then destroyed them; He, who created innumerable gods, demons, Sheshnaga, tortoises, birds, animals etc., ਆਜ ਲਗੇ ਤਪੁ ਸਾਧਤ ਹੈ ਸ਼ਿਵ ਊ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਕਛੁ ਪਾਰ ਨ ਪਾਯੋ ॥ ਬੇਦ ਕਤੇਬ ਨ ਭੇਦ ਲਖਯੋ ਜਿਹ ਸੋਊ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਰ ਮੋਹਿ ਬਤਾਯੋ ॥੧੭॥ And for knowing whose Mystery, Shiva and Brahma are performing austerities even till today, but could not know His end; He is such a Guru, whose Mystery could not be comprehended also by Vedas and Katebs and my Guru has told me the same thing.17. --------------- ਬੇਦ ਕਤੇਬ ਨ ਭੇਦ ਲਹਯੋ ਤਿਹਿ ਸਿੱਧ ਸਮਾਧਿ ਸਭੈ ਕਰਿ ਹਾਰੇ ॥ ਸਿੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਸ਼ਾਸਤ੍ਰ ਬੇਦ ਸਭੈ ਬਹੁ ਭਾਂਤਿ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਬਿਚਾਰ ਬੀਚਾਰੇ ॥ The Vedas and Ketebs could not comprehend His Mystery and the adepts have been defeated in practicing contemplation; Different kinds of thoughts have been mentioned about God in Vedas, Shastras, Puranas and smrities; (p1351) --------------- ਸੋ ਕਿਮ ਮਾਨਸ ਰੂਪ ਕਹਾਏ॥ ਸਿਧ ਸਮਾਧਿ ਸਾਧ ਕਰ ਹਾਰੇ ਕਯੋ੍ ਨ ਦੇਖਨ ਪਾਏ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ (ਸ. ਹਜ਼ਾਰੇ) How can He be said to come in human form? The Siddha (adept) in deep meditation became tired of the discipline on not seeing Him in any way…..Pause. (p.1348) --------------- ਸ਼ੇਸ਼ ਸੁਰੇਸ਼ ਗਣੇਸ਼ ਮਹੇਸੁਰ ਗਾਹਿ ਫਿਰੈ ਸ੍ਰੁਤਿ ਥਾਹ ਨ ਆਯੋ ॥ ਰੇ ਮਨ ਮੂੜ ਅਗੂੜ ਇਸੋ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਤੈ ਕਿਹ ਕਾਜਿ ਕਹੋ ਬਿਸਰਾਯੋ ॥ 4॥ 1350 33 ਸਵੈਯੇ Sheshnaga, Indra, Gandesha, Shiva and also the Shrutis (Vedas) could not know Thy Mystery; O my foolish mind! why have you forgotten such a Lord. 4. Singh ji, I can also quote your name as use Inder Kumar Bajrangi, but I will not. Coming to the point. About Ajit newspaper, read its clarification also http://www.ajitjalandhar.com/20080522/rashtri.php Also Spokesman http://www.***anti-sikh website not allowed***/fullpage.as...=22&pview=7 http://www.***anti-sikh website not allowed***/fullpage.as...=22&pview=5 What you have written above have the concept similar to Sri Guru Granth Sahib, that is what I am trying to tell you that the when Sikh Rehat Maryada at Akal Takht was made with a struggle of 14 years, it was made clear that only Jaap Sahib, 10 Sawaiyye, Chaupai (HAmri Karo Haath de.............Dusht dokh te leyo bachai) and few shabads should be inducted into Nitnem. Rest of all can be read personally but not in Gurudwara or else where. When Guru Gobind Singh gave Gurugaddi to Sri Guru Granth sahib, who r u and people like u to prakash Dasam Granth parallel to SGGS. Even Bhai Gurdass ji's Vaars, Bhai Nand Lal ji's Ghazals are also sung, do you do there prakash also. Then why Dasam Granth? Now coming to Akhauti Dasam Granth, as I said it is the game of some miscreants who mixed Guru Gobind Singh's Bani with garbage. Read Krihna Avataar (Gopi Bach Prasang), Devi Ustat and so more......... Bachittar Natak "Mur pitt purab kiyas payana, bhant bhant ke tirath nana........" Guru Tegh Bahadur who himself condemned Tirath bathing, will he go to Tiraths to beg for a kid..... think Bajrangi... Charitro pakhyan........ You like it I know, as it had more than 415 stories which shows sex and nothing else. If you have courage enough read & translate in front of your Mother & Sister and your sangat. Best of luck and share the experience with me. Read this also Gill ji, Ajit newspaper clarification http://www.ajitjalandhar.com/20080522/rashtri.php Also Spokesman http://www.***anti-sikh website not allowed***/fullpage.as...=22&pview=7 http://www.***anti-sikh website not allowed***/fullpage.as...=22&pview=5 Response: This is what he deserved!!!

Which holy scripture are you talking about? Did Guru Gobind Singh give Gurgaddi to Guru Granth Sahib or so called Dasam Granth, which contains writings like Krishna Avataar, Rudra Avataar, Brahma Avataar, Chandi Charitra and so on..... then Charitro Pakhyan the biggest part of granth which is all garbage. Don't go on what I write, read yourself on http://www.dasamgranth.org/dasamgranth/ which is site of Dasam Granth supporter Virsa Singh. The supporters of so called Dasam Granth wants to merge Sikhs into Hindus and make them characterless as Iqbal Singh himself is. Except Jaap Sahib, 10 Sawaiyye, Chaupai (Hamri Karo haath ..........Dusht dokh te leyo bachai) and few more shabads. Rest all is garbage. Open your eyes Singh ji.

The report you have written is baseless. Nothing happened like that. It was live on Shere Punjab Radio and www.sherepunjablive.com and everyone has seen its video too. Even Ajit's own corespondent in Vancouver Prof. Gurvinderpal Singh was present over there. I am not clarifying anything, but truth should come forward. Few of the miscreants of Damdami Taksal came to ask questions during the samagam and after the Samagam. Sangat protested against those guys, not Prof. Darshan Singh. He was given full support by sangat and Gurudwara committee. Visit the following http://www.ggswebacademy.com/Year%202008/Vancouver_GuruGaddidiwas_May08/May_19_lastdiwan.asf ://http://www.ggswebacademy.com/Year%2..._lastdiwan.asf At 38.00 min in video you can clearly see a Taksali Singh passing on note asking question about nitnem banis , two minutes later his question was answered. Although same topic had been addressed in May 18 Program http://www.ggswebacademy.com/Year%202008/Vancouver_GuruGaddidiwas_May08/Vancouver_May18_video.asf ://http://www.ggswebacademy.com/Year%2...y18_video.asf It was those Taksali guys who spread false rumors about questions not answered, just to make them selves hero and sabotage further programs of Prof. Darshan Singh who is getting full support from Sikhs all over the world. Visit the following link and read if you have unbiased eyes. http://www.***anti-sikh website not allowed***/fullpage.as...=22&pview=7 Take time and see the video and open your eyes.

Its not only Devinder Singh Sodhi only, there are many more like, so called Baba Ranjit Singh Dhadrian Kalan, Harbans Singh Jagadhari, Joginder Singh Chandan and many more. Basic problem is no one follows Gurbani, as Gurbani says "Satgur binaa hor kachi hai bani, bani tan kachi satgur bajhon hor kachi bani. Kehnde kache, sunde kache, kachi aakh vakhani..........." "Satgur ki risey hor kach pich bolde, se kudiar kude jhad padiye......" If the sangat doesn't goes to listen these Raagis or Babas, they will stop them selves. If you want, go and talk to him politely stating what Gurbani says. One person talks then another, then another, then they will realise it. Chardikala

Thats right. Remember how people have even labelled Sant Jarnail Singh Ji as an agent of Congress/Indira Gandhi. All these are tricks to discredit Panthic Singhs. I was in Pune, Maharshtra in 1982 when Sant Jarnail Singh came with hundreds of singhs in millitary trucks with guns and ammunition. They came in Air Force Aircraft and stayed at Air Force Gurudwara, Lohgaon, Pune. There is no lies about that Indira Gandhi promoted Sant Jarnail Singh early. But after Santji realized that what she wants, he left Indira. That's why she ordered Operation Bluestar. What Sant ji did afterwards all know. No comparison with him.

Why r u shocked with the name of Baba Thakur singh and others? Tell, what did Baba Thakur Singh did, sincerely? Besides hiding Sant Jarnail Singh's martyrdom for so many years and telling lies in front of Sri Guru Granth Sahib. Don't go with the label of "Damdami Taksal". Nobody can emulate Sant Jarnail Singh. You want to know what Taksal is doing, read the book "Gurbani Path Darshan" by Damdami Taksal, and see what their basics are, not more than making us Hindus again. What is Harnam Singh Dhuma doing, just brahamnical rituals at hardwar and doing yags at taksal. Was taksal made for promoting Sikhism or Hindusim? View this also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashtriya_Sikh_Sangat Open ur eyes and broaden your mind with Guru's grace. Guru Bhali Kare.