khalsaland

Oh thanks for correcting ji... My bad.. actually I read that from anti-Dasam Granth writer JS Mann's article.. thats why..

So maybe it is just not Maharaj's bani...

But then what about

Sansahar Sukhmana?

Vaar Malkauns?

Vaar Bhagauti Ki?

and those 4 others?

You ought to be cautious of JSMann and what he writes.

He is famous for making arbitrary statements without even giving any reference. Most of what he writes originates in his own brain. He is good at making conspiracy theories.

A classical example of his fallacies and misinformation:

http://www.santsipahi.org/patshahi10/sodha...ee-members.html

Wjkk wjkf,

One good think is. Because of the guys who are doing anti parchar. Everybody started reading Dasam Bania again. It's all Gods will in my opinion. Who knows maybe we need Bir Ras very soon...

here more news abt Satnam Singh Babbar from Germany

http://www.mediapunjab.com/20081029/

Shame on Satnam Babbar for towing the line of Guru Nindak Darshan Ragi whose blsphemy has been ripped naked...

I am equally surprised to see this gentleman in 'Bana' talking against Sri Dasam Granth. Tell him to remove the Khanda from his turban and start wearing the Kala Chola like his mentor Darshan Ragi..He doesnt deserve to wear the 'Bana' anymore!

Maybe he will be interested to see this http://santsipahi.wordpress.com/2008/10/21...-his-own-words/

What a fake guy!

The Akal Takht Jathedar, Giani Gurbachan Singh commented on the relationship of Sri Guru Granth Sahib and the Sri Dasam Granth, "Puratan Rehatnamas state that the Dasam Granth and the Guru Granth Sahib should be read together". He praised the Damadami Taksal for showing strength in resolving Sikh matters especially as they take their lineage from Shaheed Baba Deep Singh.

:gg: does this mean doing Prakash together?

The text from original news that appeared in Ajit Newspaper..

ਇਸ ਸਮਾਗਮ ’ਚ ਇਕੱਤਰ ਸੰਗਤਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਸੰਬੋਧਨ ਕਰਦਿਆਂ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਸਰ ਦੇ ਜਥੇਦਾਰ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਗੁਰਬਚਨ ਸਿੰਘ ਖ਼ਾਲਸਾ ਨੇ ਕਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਪੁਰਾਤਨ ਰਹਿਤਨਾਮਿਆਂ ’ਚ ਸਿੱਖਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਪੜ੍ਹਨ ਅਤੇ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਨਾਲ ਜੁੜਨ ਲਈ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਹੋਇਆ ਹੈ। ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਕਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਦਮਦਮੀ ਟਕਸਾਲ ਦੀ ਸ਼ੁਰੂਆਤ ਸ਼ਹੀਦ ਬਾਬਾ ਦੀਪ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਤੋਂ ਸ਼ੁਰੂ ਹੋਈ। ਉਸ ਸਮੇਂ ਤੋਂ ਲੈ ਕੇ ਅੱਜ ਤੱਕ ਜਦ ਵੀ ਸਿੱਖ ਪੰਥ ’ਤੇ ਕੋਈ ਭੀੜ ਪਈ ਤਾਂ ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਦੂਰ ਕਰਨ ’ਚ ਇਹ ਟਕਸਾਲ ਮੋਹਰਲੀ ਕਤਾਰ ’ਚ ਖੜ੍ਹੀ ਹੋਈ।

Bhai Desa Singh's Rehatnama states

ਦੁਹੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਮੈਂ ਬਾਣੀ ਜੋਈ॥ ਚੁੰਨ ਚੁੰਨ ਕੰਠ ਕਰੇ ਨਿਤ ਸੋਈ॥

Darshan ragi attacks ardas, sikh rehat maryada, sikh history and much more

http://santsipahi.wordpress.com/2008/10/28...s-own-words-ii/

The audio from the following link can be used to expose Darshan Ragi and counter anti-panthic propaganda...

http://santsipahi.wordpress.com/2008/10/21...-his-own-words/

Maybe make CD and place where he has kept his own CDs!

Self explanatory proof that exposes Darshan Ragi's Guru-Nindya and his lack of knowledge on Sri Dasam Granth

http://santsipahi.wordpress.com/2008/10/21...-his-own-words/

This should be an eye opener for those members of AKJ especially in Germany who supported Darshan Ragi during his visit.

amazing picture, WJKK WJKF

Nice picture and concept.

Only that the painter forgot to draw the halo!

our proof is where ? How much is he getting at these programmes -can you be sure ?

Conjecture Sikhlionz. Pure conjecture.

Have you read book "open scerets " written by ex Indian intelligence chief MK dhar about sikh militancy in 1980s. Darshan's name is there.Go and read that.

Has it ever occured to you that MK Dhar may be 'playing his readership against Darshan' -after all he is ex Indian intel !

As impressionable, IT literate individuals we should not beleive everything me read verbautim. We have an ideal opportunity to ask these questions -once and for all to the actual authors (Darshan, Gulshan) and get their response.

I urge the managing committees of these Gurdwarae who will host these programmes:

1. Darshan and Gulshan are intellects (like it or not) and controversial

2. Make sure strong security is setup and have zero-policy for any trouble makers

3. Questions should be rooted to the mangement committee to present to these scholars so they may respond

4. These events should be recorded and distributed. Let it be known the questions and answers given and these scholars views

5. This approach will be the only way their works will be accepted or challenged

6. Everything else is futile and just a childrens pantomine cussing match !

7. DO NOT CANCEL THESE PROGRAMMES.

WBA

Would you ask for the same privileges for Gurmeet Ram Rahim, Nirankaris, Radhasoamis and Bhaniyarewale what you are asking for Darshan?

What more proof do you want of Darshan's blasphemous views? They are everywhere and he doesnt keep any secret of his views..He has also become an IT savvy by putting his views everywhere on the internet.

It is clear from your posts that you have had no exposure to Darshan's views. So instead of calling people 'children' and offering to 'slap' them I think you should first do a bit of research yourself.

Robin Singh Ji!

Thanks for sharing the audio...wonderful! Especially the veechars of the Singh in the end of the recording.

Nitnem Banees in Darshan Ragi's own words (a small clipping from Hamburg video)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6...77374&hl=en

....and still his supporters claim that he respects the Nitnem Banees.

The following writeup exposes Darshan Ragi's blasphemy, his hypocrisy, Guru Nindya and double standards...

It also exposes his lack of understanding of the subject that he loves to talk about in almost every place he goes..

This writeup should be distributed among sangat wherever he goes...Sangat have the right to know who he really is!

gian_vihoona_gave_geet.pdf

The following message is from a Singh in Ireland.

I wonder if Darshan Ragi is even sincere about respecting the Huakamnamas of Akal Takhat and other promises he made in Germany. This proves his malice intent beyond any doubt.

Once a Guru-Nindak, always a Guru-Nindak..

I guess he has based his survival on criticising the banees...What a shame!

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Message: Ireland sangat forces Prof Darshan Singh to cancel program at Gurdwara Sahib

Prof Darshan Singh who arrived in Ireland on Saturday and was scheduled to do keertan vichaar at Gurdwara Guru Nanak Darbar Dublin on Sunday, 12 Oct 2008 did not came to Gurdwara Sahib after the sangats in big numbers came to know of his parchaar about the Dasam granth.

Prof instead ended up doing private programs at the homes of his supporters where he slandered the bani of the Tenth master. It was surprising to see Prof again speak against Dasam granth when he had already in a Gurmata at Hamburg, Germany agreed to stop preaching against Dasam granth up to the 300 anniversary celebrations.

Could some one post all the rehitname from 1699, preferably with links or text files!

Thanks

Chandni Kaur

Here is the list of the Rehitnames

Rehatnama Bhai Nand Lal

Tankhah Nama Bhai Nand Lal

Sakhi Rehat Ki (Bhai Nand Lal)

Rehatmana Bhai Prehlad Singh

Rehatmana Bhai Deya Singh

Rehatmana Hazoori, Bhai Chaupa Singh Chibbar

Rehatmana Param Sumarag (Unknown writer)

Rehatmana Bhai Desa Singh

Rehatmana Bhai Sahib Singh

Muktinama Bhai Sahib Singh

Khalsa Mahima (Sarabloh Granth)

Khalsa Ustit (Pandit Nihal Singh Lahori)

Khalsa Panchasika (Bawa Sumer Singh)

Khalsa Shatak (Bhai Bhudh Singh)

I am not sure if all these Rehitnames available online somewhere...Prof. Piara Singh Padam has edited a book on Rehitnames. The book is published by Singh Brothers.

Some Rehitnames are translated in English and are available on this link. I would still recommend reading the Rehitnames in the original text.

http://www.allaboutsikhs.com/index.php?opt...&Itemid=110

Bro, the link doesnt work for me... ??

There seems to be some problem with the website (link)...maybe try again later

Could some one post all the rehitname from 1699, preferably with links or text files!

Thanks

Chandni Kaur

Here is the list of the Rehitnames

Rehatnama Bhai Nand Lal

Tankhah Nama Bhai Nand Lal

Sakhi Rehat Ki (Bhai Nand Lal)

Rehatmana Bhai Prehlad Singh

Rehatmana Bhai Deya Singh

Rehatmana Hazoori, Bhai Chaupa Singh Chibbar

Rehatmana Param Sumarag (Unknown writer)

Rehatmana Bhai Desa Singh

Rehatmana Bhai Sahib Singh

Muktinama Bhai Sahib Singh

Khalsa Mahima (Sarabloh Granth)

Khalsa Ustit (Pandit Nihal Singh Lahori)

Khalsa Panchasika (Bawa Sumer Singh)

Khalsa Shatak (Bhai Bhudh Singh)

I am not sure if all these Rehitnames available online somewhere...Prof. Piara Singh Padam has edited a book on Rehitnames. The book is published by Singh Brothers.

Some Rehitnames are translated in English and are available on this link. I would still recommend reading the Rehitnames in the original text.

http://www.allaboutsikhs.com/index.php?opt...&Itemid=110

EDITED BY MOD

What kind of a nonsense post is this. The same old hue and cry by a Dasam Bani critic.

One should apply his own intellect before giving relevance to this junk.

You give a platform to a Nirankari or a Namdhari and he will also write a book full of nonsense proving that what he believes in is true and absolute.

The whole text doesnt make any sense. The points raised are naive and have been answered many times.

This gentleman who has written this whole text is mentally blind and seems to have been afflicted by a serious disease....and that is Guru Nindya

wjkk wjkf Khalsa ji,

Today Prof. Darshan (Singh) was and is still in Hamburg. He was really late today. I was in the Uni and came very late to the grdw (afghani Sangat wala). I will replay the video. Some friends are here and we are editing the Video they made. I will release it very soon ( at least tomorrow it will be online).

I don't know the resultat because i just came now and they as well with the video.

Please khalsa jio do Ardas that we make a good video ( we are not professional).

I will watch the Video and will give you a review. I haven't watched it yet. Just wanted to tell you that we are doing something in Germany as well.

Bhul chuk maf karne ji wjkk wjkf

Robin Singh Ji!

Recently Akal Takhat Sahib had ordered Darshan Ragi to refrain from engaging into any nindya of Dasam Bani.

And it is very clear that he has repeatedly defied that order. Please send a copy of your review, news, etc to Akal Takhat Sahib too. A formal complaint needs to be registered with Akal Takhat Sahib so that they can take action.

There are quite many videos of Darshan available online where he is clearly defying Dasam Bani and is using derogatory language against it. At one instance even declaring that the keertan from Dasam Bani shouldnt be done in the Gurdwaras.

Quite clearly his ignorance about Dasam Bani is evident from his discourses. I dont know if panth wants to watch more of his 'junk' anti Gurmat views via his videos.

Yes, a video where he and his views are confronted by sangat is most welcome!

Khalsland ji

Akal issued Hukamnama but brief given to Darshan sinh by his masters is that concentrate attcks on Dasam Granth in the name of singing Gurbani. His discourse is mostly devoted to criticize Dasam Granth and mislead innocent sikhs. We need to eveolve a strategy to counter this Gurnindak in some way.

Inder Singh ji!

I believe that Darshan is getting support from two quarters. One are the hardcore Kala Afghanis who already are walkouts from the Panth. We should hardly care about them.

Then there are those who have an old image of Darshan and dont know much about his latest U-turn. Darshan has seen that he cannot make a big fan base in Punjab as is evident from Damdama Sahib conclave of different Panthic organisations. I believe people in Punjab are more aware of his blasphemy and his dramas. Hence Darshan is targeting these second group of people outside of Punjab by emotionally blackmailing them.

As someone rightly observed Darshan hardly does any keertan or Gurmat prachar anymore. He can be rightly addressed as an 'ex-ragi'. He uses every opportunity he gets to denigrate the Dasam Bani, because this has become his life-line. He has no other purpose left in his life but to do Guru Nindya...What a shame.

We need to disseminate information among this second group of people if we want to counter Darshan Singh's propaganda.

There is enough evidence and material available that can prove Darshan's blasphemy. We need to compile that material at one place for people to refer.

What kind of character is that? Mickey Mouse looks more real that this.

I sometimes wonder whether this is repeatedly done to make a movie 'funny' or to deliberately denigrate the Sikh identity.

Some questions before any action can be initiated:

Name of the movie?

Name of the producer, director?

Has this movie already been released?

Could be worse, he could be the one in the chicken suit

I prefer him being in the chicken suit!

to be honest this fat dude in the screen shots does not represnt sikhs AT ALL. lol

so dont worry.

1-- singhs have a dhari

2--singhs dont wear that over their joora-- a datsar is worn.

3--- i think its represnting 'punjabi's'

dont worry about it.

Hmm...I think the intent of the producer/director is more important than what Sikhs think about it.

And I am pretty sure what their intent might have been when they would have conceived this character for their movie.

What kind of character is that? Mickey Mouse looks more real than this.

I sometimes wonder whether this is repeatedly done to make a movie 'funny' or to deliberately denigrate the Sikh identity.

Some questions before any action can be initiated:

Name of the movie?

Name of the producer, director?

Has this movie already been released?

wjkk wjkf Khalsa ji,

Today Prof. Darshan (Singh) was and is still in Hamburg. He was really late today. I was in the Uni and came very late to the grdw (afghani Sangat wala). I will replay the video. Some friends are here and we are editing the Video they made. I will release it very soon ( at least tomorrow it will be online).

I don't know the resultat because i just came now and they as well with the video.

Please khalsa jio do Ardas that we make a good video ( we are not professional).

I will watch the Video and will give you a review. I haven't watched it yet. Just wanted to tell you that we are doing something in Germany as well.

Bhul chuk maf karne ji wjkk wjkf

Robin Singh Ji!

Recently Akal Takhat Sahib had ordered Darshan Ragi to refrain from engaging into any nindya of Dasam Bani.

And it is very clear that he has repeatedly defied that order. Please send a copy of your review, news, etc to Akal Takhat Sahib too. A formal complaint needs to be registered with Akal Takhat Sahib so that they can take action.

There are quite many videos of Darshan available online where he is clearly defying Dasam Bani and is using derogatory language against it. At one instance even declaring that the keertan from Dasam Bani shouldnt be done in the Gurdwaras.

Quite clearly his ignorance about Dasam Bani is evident from his discourses. I dont know if panth wants to watch more of his 'junk' anti Gurmat views via his videos.

Yes, a video where he and his views are confronted by sangat is most welcome!

Translations can sometimes be very deceptive, and dont do justice to the original text.

The different themes (suspense, humor, moral teaching, story telling) of a writing are best understood and appreciated when it is read in context and in the original version (language).

Having read the text of Charitar 68, I can now see how the observation about it has been totally exaggerated with malice.

One can either cut vegetables with a knife or cut his own finger.

The critics of Charitropakhyaan enjoy doing the latter with their malice intent.

ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ, ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਿਹ

I don't know whether this topic is discussed or not, if it is please delete it...

There is a huge Anti Parchar of Sri Dasam Granth and misunderstanding abt is Dasam Granth Guru or Guru Granth Sahib ji and so on. You know that all it's a big topic theses days.

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=thesikhaffairs

Please have a look what kind of things they are doing abt Sri Dasam Granth. Have a look on the Dramas. I don't like to watch it full because it's too stupid for me, but we have to take action against these kind of parchar.

So my question is what can we do abt these things?

wjkk wjkf

'Ignore them'....

What i mean when I say 'ignore them' is that we should not try to prove anything to them. I never watch their videos. Its a waste of time.

They are a bunch of heretics from Faridabad who dont believe in any Sikh institution. They are walk-outs from the panth. This guy Dalbir (in the video) doesnt even believe in any rachna of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib. He even denigrates Nitnem Banees.

Sometimes I wonder what is the difference between this group and that of Dera Sacha Sauda. Both are Guru dokhis. This group stands at the same place where other heretic groups stand (Nirankaris, Ashutosh and Kala Afghana). The only difference is that they are bhekhi Sikhs.

They can go on with their negative propaganda but nothing is going to change.

Instead of retaliating to their idiotic vidoes and posts Sikhs should do as much positive prachar of Gurbani as they can. Responding to their propaganda will only give them recoganition. And thats what they crave for.

In the light of the true prachar, their negative propaganda will automatically fade.

Gurbani is not entitled for any kind of debate. And I believe this forum also has the same stand.

Do prachar of Gurbani and Gur-itihaas. Dont enter into any debate or discussion on Gurbani.

SpaminderSingh Ji!

In your previous posts you have regularly quoted some hukamnama of 1980s....can you please post that hukamnama on this forum.

I never heard of such a hukamnama from Akal Takhat Sahib.

What is it about? What are its exact wordings?

Appreciated!

This shabad in mp3 format

http://www.4shared.com/account/file/656860...anth_Sahib.html

This is the short version as heard in the video. The complete version is here.

http://www.santsipahi.org/patshahi10/audio.html

or direct link

http://share.ovi.com/media/santsipahi.publ...antsipahi.10017

Wjkk wjkf,

Well for the point that Germany is Pro Prof., the thing is we all respect Prof. Darshan (singh) because of his Sewa as a Ragi world wide. In every house there are at least 1-2 cd's, Cassates of Prof. There is no shak that he did Sewa with his parchar. But most of the PPl in Germany don't know that. What is going on in the Panth.

What yesterday happend:

I got the Information that Prof. didn't want to talk because he was scared to get shitar. At least some Singhs tried to talk with him alone but they couldn't. Today is the big Nagar Kirtan of Germany in Frankfurt.

And well the sad thing or good thing is that he is not comming to Hamburg (where I live), because he doesn't get security here like in Frankfurt. So we don't get the opertunity to talk with him. We wanted to record it and put it in the internet. But well :gg: we will see where he is going now.

Today I sent the Dvd's and Hukamname from Akal Thakt Sahib and Patna Sahib to all German Gurdwaras. I hope they will read and whatch the Videos. My Brother and I we are going to some Gurdwaras when there is Camps or other Programms and we are sharing the cd's there as well. I think for this moment we can't do anything else. Just to be Hushiar and share stuffs we have and put it on the internet.

Some fotos of Frankfurt and the Seminar

http://www.mediapunjab.com/FixPage/300_ff031008.html

wjkk wjkf

Robin Singh Ji!

Thanks for sharing the information.

Fear and caution is evident from Darshan Ragi's pictures that you have shared.

Another interesting thing to note is that a few months ago Darshan Ragi had announced publically that from now on he is going to wear a black chola to protest against the dasam banee, and until the parkash of Sri Dasam Granth is removed from Takhat Sri Hazur Sahib. From the pictures it is evident that he has abandoned that 'oath'. And he is famous for abandoing his earlier beliefs....

He has always played with the emotions of the sangat. Thats what he did during post 1984 era. A regular ragi who was unknown before 1984 became so popular after the attack on Harimandir Sahib because he cashed on sangat's anger over operation bluestar with his anti-India and anti-congress rhetoric. And now he seems to be content with the congress and its supporters in Delhi...

He is indeed a drama queen, a turn coat ragi and a traitor of the panth.

Its such a shame how a person who once earned the respect of the panth has now fallen so low because of his own deeds.