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<,so do you believe that some amrit sanchars are not valid? the people think they've had amrit of guru ji, while really they have not? how do we know if our amrit is "real"? :o when they stir the amrit with the khanda, reciting the bani of Guru ji (shabad guru), focusing on the amrit... do you think it isn't amrit, because you disagree with the views of those who are holding the bata? or... it is amrit, but the maryada they give you is wrong, so we're free to use your MAN to decide which maryada to follow? just curious. i guess i don't understand how the process works, if you don't trust those who distribute guru ji's amrit.>> Just ask ur conscience, sukhbir badal and parkash badal are part of the punj pyara team. Will u consider it amrit ?? Dashmesh Pita is the ruler of both worlds, He can act inside any human and if the amrit seeker is bhollaa, innocent and genuine, Satguru will give him Naam in some way or the other.

how is this jatha bashing. First of all speaking truth isnt bashing. Secondly I dint name any jathaa,lol. May be its the truth in my post that has made u guess the jathaa I could be referring to, lol.

leh yaar ho janda fix...mera vi rasta kholda :sad: Veer, u dont me to get fixed. U are NRI right. Just attend a smagam or a rainsubai, tell some people that u are NRI and looking to get married, within minutes this information will spread through the entire jathaa and u will have lines of bibis ready to marry you and sit in an aeroplane with u, then after some years call her entire family. If u are a poor nri doing some low paid labour job, this bibi will leave u as well.

sure, there were some disagreements. sure, we all know master tara singh ji was a great meat eater and bhai randhir singh ji was in jail, and that's why some people think SRM advocates non-veg. there are probably a hundred little stories like that. but in the end... the BASICS are all the same. here's how i look at it. SRM is the BASIC maryada we must follow. anything above and beyond that is wonderful. for example, SRM only requires 3 banis in the morning. everyone knows we should do 5. so do 5! that doesn't mean SRM is wrong, that means you're doing extra. if i'm not wrong, this is the stand that AKJ advocates. they don't have a seperate jatha rehat maryada, they follow SRM + keski rehet + dietary rehet + panj bania rehet, etc, etc. i hope this is making sense. and my problem is that people who follow sect maryadas automatically assume that we who follow SRM are also incomplete, that they don't accept us, their fellow Khalsa, fully. do you see where i'm going with this? no, they will not. just like today, everyone will agree to the maryada they were ordered to follow by the panj piyare at the time of amrit sanchar! and since i'm a woman who was blessed with khande de pahul, i'm obviously not going to be following nihung rehet. wrong. everyone is going to follow what they were told to follow by panj piyare. and what the heck is missionary maryada? :gg: once again i need to point out that it's not choice, it's given to us by Guru ji in the form of panj piayre. i hope i said that enough times. Dear Bhain, people might bash me for this but it was Dashmesh Pita who selected the first Mahaan punj pyare. These days any 5 people can get together and organize an amrit sanchar. PUnj Pyare are GURU PANTH(they are under the direct command of Dashmesh Pita), but these days many "punj pyaras" speak exactly as they are told by their sant baba or the pardhan of gurdwara committee. I dont think such people are Punj Pyare. Tomorrow sukhbir badal and some of his kanjarr corrupt akaalis can also become "punj Pyare" . whos stopping them ??? Dusht raagi Darshan "singh" still has decent number of followers, now if he becomes a punj pyare and speak against the pavittar Dasam Bani, will it be an instruction given to us by Guru Jee ?? NOOOO Some Nirmalas do parchor vedanta(vedas matt) under the guise of Gurmat parchar. Are these instructions of Guru Maharaaj ? Just as we have lots of bheki "sikhs" these days, we also have lots of bheki "punj pyare".

So true. I myself was a monaa before getting amrit chakk 2 years ago and most of my friends were jattan de kaake. I trust them much more than some of the jathaa "lions" who cheated me, took lots of my money, spread rumours about me, tried to fix me with one of their "charrdi kala" bibi,lol, haha.

Yes veeray. This is a personal shortcoming. My point is that NO MATTER if we follow different maryadas, we are ALL sons and daughters of ONE SATGURU. The way I love my parents is never going to be the same as the way my sister loves them. Does that mean I love them less? or more? Or does it mean she loves them less? Or more? No one can ever decide, not even my parents! Veer, I will go a step further. We shud love all amritdharis and we shud also love monas or non amritdharis who do seva of the panth. Sukha and Jinda were clean shaven when they sent general vaidya to hell. These clean shaven punjabis are much better than the haramkhor selfish hankari bana wearing sarbloh bibekis who used khalistan movement to settle in west, run after nri bibis for immigration, lie at embassies, dont do any kirt and eat from the dasvandh of the sangat, train their daughters to hunt NRI's or rich boys at smagams, do nindiya of great sikhs like Baba Jarnail Singh Jee Bhindrawale,

I belong to no jatha or Gurdwara. Having said that, the SGPC and the Akal Takht are presently under the control of masands or thuggs. Things like dastaar, dietary bibek, bana and lareevar saroop are extremely important rehits and the whole panth shud follow this. I agree that some jatha people believing in the above rehits are hankaari and treat fellow sikhs in a very wrong manner. This is their personal shortcoming.

so how was the cake? no offense, but posting to the whole group to say how you're too religious to celebrate your birthday because you received amrit sounds kind of, i don't know, egotistical? you only have one mom. is it really so hard to say "yes" to a slice of cake from mom? does it really require the input of the entire e-sangat? or is it an excuse to show how strict and religious you are. there's nothing in gurbani against birthdays. as far as i know there's nothing in any of the most commonly accepted maryadas against it either, at least not that i have read. so did you give in to your mom or did you take the high road and explain that you're too good to eat cake with her? seriously, what a messed up question. and yes, i honestly thought you were 13. the post made more sense that way. :rolleyes: ^ bibi, these are pretty ghattiya comments u have made. The reason I stopped celebrating birthday was not that I have become too religious, but because I really dont feel any reason to celebrate my birth. A person who isnt doing bhagti is a burden on earth and I consider myself to be one of such people. I felt that instead of celebrating my birthday, I shud be celebrating birthdays of Guru Maharaajs and other great sikh saints. Where is the arrogance in this ?? If u dint like my post, u shud have ignored it. U shud not have attacked me by saying that I am egotistical, trying to act over religious.

Dear Veer, At present there are 2 factions of Budha Dal. So just do some research before getting pesh. Make sure u get pesh with the right panthic faction. Baba Joginder Singh Rakba is the jathedaar of 1 faction and I met him personally and it was a pleasure to do his darshan.

Mehtab Singhaaa, Dass ke chahida tannuu. Paisaa, sonaa, zameen, Mercedez, ferari, nah maangoo sona chandi nah maangoo heera moti yeh mere kis kaam kay ek garam chai ki pyaali ho aur usko pilaane waali ho chaahe gori ho ya kaali ho dhiyaan rakhi keski vaali ho Happy Birthday Singha! I pray u find a gurmukh keski vali bibi who can serve u tea with love. If u find 2 bibis, give one to me, haha.

All great sikhs in the past like Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh Jee, Baba Attar Singh Jee have predicted about Khalsa Raj and said that its very near. I agree that only Akaal Purakh knows about the exact timing. I am not trying to act as some prophet here. The industrial revolution is Maya and it will end, thats all I am saying. The world wont end but the industrial civilization will end. The earth can no longer sustain 6.5 billion people and all the pollution. This will lead to anarchy, resource wars, food wars, fuel wars, religious riots, rapes, murders. People have made a great spiritual place(Maha teerath), Sri Amritsar Sahib into a commercial pollution centre, all this crap will end in the future.

I am still 13 at heart.I am a Baby cum BABA. hahahaha

http://www.eartheasy.com/article_working_l...etter_globe.htm Americans are working harder than ever before. The dogged pursuit of the paycheck coupled with a 24/7 economy has thrust many of us onto a never-ending treadmill. But of workaholism's growing wounded, its greatest casualty has been practically ignored -- the planet. "We now seem more determined than ever to work harder and produce more stuff, which creates a bizarre paradox: We are proudly breaking our backs to decrease the carrying capacity of the planet," says Conrad Schmidt, an internationally known social activist and founder of the Work Less Party, a Vancouver-based initiative aimed at moving to a 32-hour work week -- a radical departure from the in early, out late cycle we've grown accustomed to. "Choosing to work less is the biggest environmental issue no one's talking about." A backlash against overwork fatigue, the Work Less Party is one of a growing number of initiatives aimed at cutting work hours while tackling unemployment, environmentally unfriendly behavior and boosting leisure time. According to Schmidt, author of "Workers of the World RELAX," which examines the economics of reduced industrial work, working less would allow us to produce less, consume less, pollute less and -- no complaints here -- live more. "As a society, we're working exponentially hard to decrease sustainability and it's making us miserable -- just look at how antidepressants are on the rise," he says. "In order to reduce our ecological footprint, we have to take working less very seriously." Americans work more hours than anyone else in the industrialized world. According to the United Nations' International Labor Organization, we work 250 hours, or five weeks, more than the Brits, and a whopping 500 hours, or 12 and a half weeks, more than the Germans. So how does ecological damage figure in to the 40-plus workweek? Do the math: Longer hours plus labor-saving technology equals ever-increasing productivity. Without high annual growth to match productivity, there's unemployment. Maintaining growth means using more energy and resources, both in manpower and raw materials, which results in increased waste and pollution. Unsurprisingly, the United States is the world's largest polluter. Housing a mere 5 percent of the world's population, it accounts for 22 percent of its fossil fuel consumption, 50 percent of its solid waste, and, on average, each citizen consumes 53 times more goods than a person in China, according to the environmental nonprofit, Sierra Club. When people work longer hours, they rely increasingly on convenience items such as fast food, disposable diapers, or bottled water. Built-in obsolescence has become standard business practice -- just throw it away and make more -- leaving mountainous landfills in its wake. "Earning more often means spending money in ways that are environmentally detrimental. We're finding that to compensate for lack of time, you actually need more money to work those extra hours," says Monique Tilford, acting executive director of the Centre for a New American Dream, a Maryland group promoting environmentally and socially responsible consumption. "When people are time-starved they don't have enough time to be conscious consumers. The overarching theme of our organization is to remind Americans that every single dollar they spend has a carbon impact, to make the connection." If the world started clocking American hours, then it would be detrimental to its environmental health. According to a paper issued by the Center for Economic and Policy Research (CEPR) in Washington, D.C., if Europe moved towards a U.S.-based economic model, it would consume 15-30 percent more energy by 2050. This would impact fuel prices worldwide and boost carbon emissions, resulting in additional global warming of 1-2 degrees Celsius. Any reductions in greenhouse gas emissions made through conservation, cleaner fuels or green technology would be overwhelmed by increased industrial output. "Productivity normally increases every year, but we haven't seen massive productivity gains reflected in our working hours," says Mark Weisbrot, CEPR's co-director, who also authored the study "Are Shorter Work Hours Good for the Environment?" "Because there's no limit to what we can consume, a change of values has to take place if the planet stands a chance of survival." The problem is, France has already begun following America's lead by increasing the workload. In 2005, France effectively abolished its 35-hour workweek to counter high unemployment -- the highest in the European Union, hovering at roughly 10 percent -- though a subsequent International Monetary Fund paper examining the impact concluded there was no significant increase. And this May, the new French president-elect Nicolas Sarkozy, whose campaign to "work more, earn more" helped win him the presidential seat, promised to make overtime largely tax-exempt. His goal: strengthen consumer purchasing power and galvanize the economy. Only if Weisbrot's research is correct, France's increased productivity would create even larger problems, especially considering France's current productivity is greater than America's, with a GDP (Gross Domestic Product) per hour of $37.01 versus $33.77. Today's push towards a heavier workload is in many ways a historical precedent. In both the United States and Europe, work hours declined steadily from the beginning of the industrial revolution until World War II, when labor unions were key in fighting for shorter hours. After the war, the 40-hour workweek was legally in place, and governments promoted economic growth in order to match it. But since the 1970s, with the advent of technological advances and increased automation, most European governments have continued shortening work hours whereas the United States has opted instead to let wages fall. In the late 1960s futurists predicted an Age of Leisure, hypothesizing that the largest issue facing the country at the end of the century would be too much leisure. "It was the kind of problem I thought I could deal with -- in fact, I was looking forward to it," says John de Graaf, producer of the groundbreaking 1997 PBS documentary "Affluenza: The All-Consuming Epidemic" and a frequent speaker on issues of overwork and overconsumption. "Of course, I didn't reason we'd put all our productivity gains into more stuff." Quoting data from his current campaign, "What's the Economy for Anyway?" which examines America's economic policies in light of quality of life issues, de Graaf says the evidence proves we're not better off. "It's staggering. The USA has declined relative to all other industrial countries in virtually every quality of life measured -- health, equality, savings, sustainability -- though that's not so with the GDP and certainly not with the number of billionaires," he says. "Yet we're still constantly being told we're better off." Yet suggest alternatives to the status quo of GDP worship, like shortening the work week, and resistance is great. "Here, the business community fiercely opposes any mandates relating to time," says de Graaf, noting that by controlling or regulating time, they maintain the upper hand. "What's happened in Europe is people have discovered it's nice to have some time in their lives, and in getting some, they've wanted more. Whereas here, business has kept that door completely shut." But even many overburdened Americans fear change will signal further sacrifice -- mostly to their paychecks. "But the fact is, we're already sacrificing our time and our lives right now," says de Graaf. De Graaf is also the national coordinator of "Take Back Your Time Day," an annual event scheduled for Oct. 24, the date on which the 40-hour workweek was first inaugurated in the United States. A national organization with 10,000 members, Take Back Your Time has launched a campaign calling for national legislation guaranteeing a minimum of three weeks of paid vacation, an issue it hopes to make part of the 2008 presidential campaign. As it stands, America is the only industrial nation that offers no legal protection for vacations. The average vacation in the United States is now only a long weekend, and 25 percent of American workers have no paid vacation, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Compare that to Sweden, which mandates 32 vacation days per year. President Bush, however, does know the value of vacation time. In 2005, he took five weeks off to visit his Texas ranch, taking the longest presidential retreat in at least 36 years. "We see overwork as a social, legal problem that needs political legislation," says de Graaf. "We are utterly unique in our dismissal of the need for time and the environmental costs; not to mention, the costs to our health and our families have been enormous." But by shelving time, we continue to suffer from overload, debt, and anxiety, and are stuck in a fatalistic rat race generated by heightened consumerism. So what fuels this need to accumulate in the face of time deprivation? Devoting his career to what drives materialism, Tim Kasser, associate professor of psychology at Knox College and author of "The High Price of Materialism," has sought scientific explanations, examining the relationship between materialism and psychological well-being. "Materialism is driven by an underlying sense of insecurity," says Kasser, who conducted a study where subjects were randomly assigned writing about death or writing about listening to music. The former experience an increased desire for consumption and were "greedier," according to Kasser. "Death is the ultimate end of time; it's interpreted as that feeling of not having enough time. In the last decade politicians have played off that insecurity. It keeps getting people elected, but it also drives us to think we need to work harder and harder," he says, noting the signs of insecurity around us are numerous: We don't know our neighbors and suffer from high divorce rates; our social safety nets have been dismantled; we have no mandatory overtime laws and minimal vacation. "All these work to create an underlying sense of insecurity, and we need to break out of that cycle," he says. Interestingly, Kasser conducted an empirical study comparing 200 adherents of Voluntary Simplicity to a control group of 200 mainstream Americans and found the Voluntary Simplicity group was "simultaneously happier while using fewer resources," and that their happiness was derived from "less materialistic, intrinsic goals, such as personal growth, family and community." While the Voluntary Simplicity group was "still awfully far from having a sustainable ecological footprint," Kasser feels it's a positive start. "The correlation between the VS group being happy was due to those no-consumeristic, intrinsic values, and the reason they're living in a more ecologically sustainable fashion is also due to those values." It's just those kind of values Schmidt has tried to encourage in his Work Less Party. Schmidt, a former computer programmer, started by getting rid of his car and cycling to work, then took advantage of the savings by reducing his workweek, which allowed him enough time to write his book, make two documentaries, and organize a community theater group -- all in the last three years. "People spend so many hours working they have no idea of how much creative potential they have, but you get a taste of mental freedom you want more of it. It's an explosion of creativity." says Schmidt, quickly adding, "I'm a workaholic, but it's the type of work that's the problem. Our society is focused on work that makes stuff that goes directly into landfills. Essential work such as art, music, creativity, community, the kind necessary to create a healthy society and planet, is being negated in favor of that." If there's any solution to increasing our well-being, as well as the planet's, Schmidt's advice flies counter to our driven consumerism. "If you want to protect the environment, you have to consume less, which means you have to produce less, and you have to work less. We have to keep the message positive -- our standard of living will improve hugely. I think people are starting to make the connection."

GURMAT NAAM is the cure of EVERY DISEASE, physical or psychological. But we cannot japp Naam on our own, only Satguru jee can make us japp Naam. SE SIMRAHE JIN AAP SIMRAYE. People can wear banas, act takde sarbloh bibeki, learn vajjaaa,close thier eyes and act bairaagi, read lots of translations and books, learn debating skills, but people CANNOT japp naam. This is only in the hands of Satguru jee.

Mehtab Singhaaa, Dass ke chahida tannuu. Paisaa, sonaa, zameen, Mercedez, ferari,

pyare veer jeeoo, Nostradamus tan mere sahmne jawak aaa. I am Sant Baba Harinder Singh Jee(108) Ludhiana Vale.

this world has always had good and bad people, but when it comes to JHOOTH, cheating, deceiving, INDIA(BHARAT MATA) has beaten all the world records. Anyone who rapes, murders, order genocides is Shaheed. Anyone who fights for rights and dignity is a Terrorist. If stinky underwear of a stinky politician gets stolen, is mein ISI KA HAATH HAI.

and there are a lot of honest hard working sikhs, including some of my family, who would be brutally impacted by this "heavenly garden" idea. besides, if amritsar is going to be destroyed anyway, what's the point in "improving" harimandir sahib anyway? btw- i'm going to guess that you don't have a job, because hey, it's all maya and the world is going to end tomorrow anyway. kirt karo can't be that important, right? i mean, it's only from the mouth of GURU JI! :gg: The industrial revolution is MAYA. It has ruined the lives of people and the planet and is going to end in the future. We will be back to the lifestyle of 200 years ago. And yes, at present, we have no choice but to be a part of the modern maya economy, but still we shud all try to be as honest as we can in our maya jobs. A terrible war is coming in India including Punjab and its not very far, 5-7 years is my guess. The present civilization is going to collapse in the future and a new world made by hand will emerge and that will be KHALSA RAJ and Sri Amritsar Sahib will be SACHKHAND. There will be beautiful horses, singh/singhnis in bana, everyone japping Naam, there will be so much love between humans, no rudeness/selfishness.

He said he took Amrit Years ago :6 ^ I took amrit 2 years ago. I am 25 today, but deep within my heart, I am still a small baby, a sauuu cute darvess baby. I have career plans to become a BABA in the near future and open up a deraa. Baba(baby) Harinder Singh Jee(108) Ludhiana Vale God bless mee! hahahaha

veerji, removing your kirpan for a limited amount of time is not a kurehet you have to pesh for. you simply do ardaas and put it back on. i tend to keep my gatra on while i fly, so that i can replace my kirpan immediately upon landing. even damdami taksal's rehet says that this is acceptable (i think they refrain from food or drink during the time the kirpan is seperated from their body). btw, how did you meet these sikhs in india who don't fly? you must have flown there yourself, right? you'd never get the chance to met such respected sikhs if you didn't fly there. I am from India only. After getting amrit chakk, I have flown internationally only once, and flew domestic couple of times but had my 6 inch kirpan on during domestic flights. Its a personal choice whether u want to get pesh or not. I had to flew to singapore for an important conference and thats why I flew but I was feeling terrible bad during my short flight without my sri sahib.

its ur personal choice. I will personally get pesh each time I get separated from my kakaars. Without getting pesh, i feel very uncomfortable and restless. Its a personal choice.

i see. ok, but until them, how about we allow these hard working sikh merchants to do their maya business in peace, so they can feed their maya families with their hard earned maya money. there must be some hardworking dudes, but there is lots of fraud business happening there, that chattar and jeevan "singh" doing ghor beadbi of Gurbani. Lokan nu rabb da darr nahin reha, paise hath vikka giya hai bandaaa.

Exactly! this kirpaan removal leads to 2 kurehits. One gets separated from a kakaar which is a body part and secondly, one gets shastar-heenas. A pakka sikh shud die before getting shastar-heenas. so i'm guessing that neither of you has family overseas? what about those of us who do? even my family in america is four days drive from where i am! for some of us, not using air travel is not an option. even if you don't have family far away, think of all the smagaams you'd miss! oh wait, there wouldn't be any more smagaams, because none of the raagis would be able to travel to them! Dear Bhain Jeeoo, There are some sikhs in India who had a chance to go abroad and enjoy a much better standard of life, but they dint as they dint want to remove their kakaar. I RESPECT such people and feel completely ashamed myself in front of such people. I personally feel that if u do air travel for an important family meeting or for work purpose, its OK. I myself did an air travel last month, but I GOT PESH as soon as I got back. Baki jo changa lagda karoo.

great idea. that's exactly what congress did when they "fixed up" harimandir sahib after bluestar. they demolished the shops of hundreds of hard working Sikh merchants, forcing them to move to areas where there was less foot traffic, and less business. my father in law was one of these Sikhs who were forced to move. Congress said they'd pay for the shops, but it took more than 20 years for him to get any reparation money from the gov't, and they paid according to '80's land values. they were lucky, back then it was still possible to purchase shop space for a reasonable amount of money (though not in amritsar proper). though a lot of hard work over the years, the space where they moved to has flourished. but today, it's simply not possible for small business owners to relocate anywhere in or near amritsar. land prices there incredibly inflated. so sure, create a nice green park and destroy hundreds or thousands of sikh families in the process. all so it "looks pretty". there's already a garden around it, why not beautify that existing area, rather than smashing the shops that feed so many families? i suppose in this golden age no one will need to eat or work or feed their families? to which location will you relocate everyone who's shops and homes you destroy? This modern economy/ jobs/ professions in NUTHING BUT MAYA. Its going to end in the near future and we will be back to the life of 18th century. U might call me a complete fool, but just wait for some years, u will see it urself. Whole of India is going to be plundered and PUnjabi as well and very fewl people are going to stay alive. ITS DOOMSDAY and ITS NEAR.

Actually, when I was a small baby, I locked myself into a room and did mool mantarr paath for 12 years. I dont count those 12 years in worldly age. If I have to count those, I will be 25 tomorrow. hahahahahahaha