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I am planning to hire some pandit, learn the complex things in vedas, learn complex sanskrit words, talk about atma liv leenta, atamannand, vairat upaasnaa, pratbimb, acharya akhandtaa, kaamaa sutra poornima, shiv-ling jagriti karan, atama rahaysa avastha, chakra jagriti karan,etc and become a scholar.

But the reality is that

Naam bina sab koor gallan hochiyaan.

The tukk "vedah meh naam uttam" , some people translate it as naam is called supreme in vedic text.

But I feel this tuk mean out of all vedas, the naam that can be ONLY be recieved from the house of GURU NANAK DEV JEE is uttam(supreme).

Then there is a tukk "ved kateb kaho matt jhoote, jhootha jo na bechare".

I feel this tukk means "say vedas and kateb to be false and false is the person who doesnt realize the falseness of these religious text".

All text other than Satguru Jee is KACHAAA.

And Guru Nanak Dev Jee Maharaaj is the ONLY Satguru.

RAJ KAREGA KHALSA

haha... so Bhagat Farid Ji... who followed Islamic discipline.. didnt have full gyan??... because he beleived in Koran??

Guru ji added his bani !!

Get veechar on this shabad:

raag raamukulee mehulaa 5 ghur 2

Raag Raamkalee, Fifth Mehl, Second House:

ik ounkaar sathigur prusaadh

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

chaar pukaarehi naa thoo maanehi

The four Vedas proclaim it, but you don't believe them.

khutt bhee eaekaa baath vukhaanehi

The six Shaastras also say one thing.

dhus asuttee mil eaeko kehiaa

The eighteen Puraanas all speak of the One God.

taa bhee jogee bhaedh n lehiaa

Even so, Yogi, you do not understand this mystery. ||1||

kinkuree anoop vaajai

The celestial harp plays the incomparable melody,

jogeeaa muthuvaaro rae

but in your intoxication, you do not hear it, O Yogi. ||1||Pause||

ANYWYS.. if u want to carry on ure discussion... open a new thread.. and let the veechar begin..

Till then .. WJKK WJKF

Farid Ji in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee Maharaj was sam-kali of Guru Nanak Dev Jee Maharaj. He was a successor of the sect of Baba Farid of 12th century. Giani Gurdit Singh has proved it very nicely in his book that all bhagats met Guru Nanak Dev Jee and took Gurmat Naam from him.

Regarding vedas, well the english translations are not the most reliable. Even in english translations, in most places there is only khandan of vedas. The bani of vedas is kachi and is limited to 3 gunnas of Maya.

These days sikhs just try to act goody-goody and "secular" and try to shout to the world that "our holy book contains writings of hindus and muslims, we accept the holiness of vedas and koran".

Anyways, thats it for me. I am not gonna debate about it anymore. Jo jee kardaa karrooo. Ved parro, simriti parroo, ramayan de paath karo, ghar vich shivling rakho,

whatever..., all the best.

qRY gux bwxI byd bIcwru ]

thrai gun baanee baedh beechaar ||

The mortal thinks about the Vedic teachings of the three gunas, the three dispositions.

ibiKAw mYlu ibiKAw vwpwru ]

bikhiaa mail bikhiaa vaapaar ||

He deals in corruption, filth and vice.

mir jnmih iPir hoih KuAwru ]

mar janamehi fir hohi khuaar ||

He dies, only to be reborn; he is ruined over and over again.

gurmuiK qurIAw guxu auir Dwru ]4]

guramukh thureeaa gun our dhhaar ||4||

The Gurmukh enshrines the glory of the supreme state of celestial peace. ||4||

Not that my faith is shaken or anything like that its just that I don't really know what to say when someone asks me.

"why do you believe in God but not in leprechauns and fairies?"

Thanks

This guy is not only foolish but is also a nindakk and akirtghann.

Akal Purakh saved him for 9 months when he was burning in the womb of his mother and this akirtghan is comparing Akal Purakh with fairies, shame on the nindakk. Get a good solid sotaaaa and give him a nice beating.

Can Only "Sikhs" Get Mukhti?

Yes?

No?

What does mukti mean ? For some 72 virgins might be mukti, for some landing into some heaven is mukti. But according to Gurmat, lotus feet of Akal Purakh, or getting married to Akal Purakh is the ONLY mukti. Anything less than has the dirt of maya in it.

This gurmat mukti can be only acheived via follwing strict gurmat discipline and finally the grace of Satguru jee and Guru Nanak Dev Jee Maharaj jee is the ONLY Satguru.

Rest all are pakhandis.

I am planning to hire some pandit, learn the complex things in vedas, learn complex sanskrit words, talk about atma liv leenta, atamannand, vairat upaasnaa, pratbimb, acharya akhandtaa, kaamaa sutra poornima, shiv-ling jagriti karan, atama rahaysa avastha, chakra jagriti karan,etc and become a scholar.

But the reality is that

Naam bina sab koor gallan hochiyaan.

The tukk "vedah meh naam uttam" , some people translate it as naam is called supreme in vedic text.

But I feel this tuk mean out of all vedas, the naam that can be ONLY be recieved from the house of GURU NANAK DEV JEE is uttam(supreme).

Then there is a tukk "ved kateb kaho matt jhoote, jhootha jo na bechare".

I feel this tukk means "say vedas and kateb to be false and false is the person who doesnt realize the falseness of these religious text".

All text other than Satguru Jee is KACHAAA.

And Guru Nanak Dev Jee Maharaaj is the ONLY Satguru.

RAJ KAREGA KHALSA

May be I shud cram some dictionary angreji words and write things in indirect, diplomatic and CONFUSING MANNER. Right now, I write everything that my heart says, hahahaha.

who needs pakistan when india does enough by herself to push sikhs to the edge.

this kind of savagery is not going to go unnoticed by true sikhs masses...

peace.

The justice of Akal Purakh is surely going to come. In the last 60 years, India has sown so much bad karma, that its end will be one of the most tragic ever. Infact, I feel the end of Indian empire is just around the corner.

Gursikhs are very kind and forgiving people. Thats why I feel akal purakh is going to use muslims to ruin India. Its like a murderer killing a thief.hahaha

Thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard :6

whats stupid about it ?

Thats how things work according to Karma law, Babar came to India under the will of Akal Purakh and something similar is going to happen, infact its already happening.

Narendra Modi organizing massacre of muslims, hindu population voting him to CM, and recently muslims doing bomb blasts to take revenge.

Muslim and hindu civilizations hate each other and history is witness to it.

With 25 crore muslims, there is no way India can remain peaceful.

Its all happening in the will of Akal Purakh.

People who govern india are theives and corrupt and muslim militants are murderers of humanity. Murderers are going to kill thieves, no doubt about it. hahaha

KAR BURRAA HO BURRAAA.

The day I japp good amount of naam and gurbani, my darraa lights up and looks great,lol.

The day i act lazy, my darraa loses its beauty.

Hair have a strong link with Naam, no doubt about it.

Also, make sure u comb ur hair twice, mornign and evening(its part of rehit).

Use reetha or dahi to wash ur hair.

Modern shampoos do damage the hair. Puratan desi things are the best.

Do malash or ur hair with khoppe da tell, its very enjoyable,lol

Infact, I feel amritdharis shud do each other's head massage,its a great seva and increases love between amritdharis too.

A sarbloh karra is handcuff put on the hands of a sikh by Satguru jee.

So only an obedient sikh is wearing a karraa. Rest all are just wearing steel bracelets.

In punjabi weddings, its a fashion to give gold "karra".

Source: https://www.ihro.in/?q=node/158

IHRO accuses Indian Intelligence Agencies and Renegade (Non-Conformist) Militants

For the Sikh Massacre in Chithi Singhpora village in Kashmir

LUDHIANA, March 29, 2000- The International Human Rights Organisation (IHRO), after a spot investigation, indicted the renegade-militants for Chithi Singhpora (Anantnag) massacre of 35 Sikhs on March 20 last. They, it said, aimed at breaking the Sikh-Muslim worldwide nexus to rundown the Kashmir movement for self-determination.

Sensing the gravity of the situation, IHRO dispatched a high level investigation team, comprising its Chairman D S Gill, General Secretary M S Grewal and Randhir Singh, to the tormented Sikh village in South Kashmir, erstwhile a hot belt of militants in the Valley, to make spot inquiries to clear the mist that is even today prevailing regarding ‘who are the guilty?’

“Today, this area is dominated by renegades (non-conformist militants) who are often covered by military” said Mr Gill, in a Press conference here today, quoting Chief Justice Mufti Bahuddin Farooqi (Retd) of the J & K High Court as saying: “No one is safe from these renegades and they have hit-list of their own, besides Kashmiri activists.”

The IHRO team met about 200 people, including the aggrieved family members and eye witnesses, besides members of the Sri Nagar High Court Bar Association and the All Party Hurriyat Conference (APHC).

Justice Farooqi and Mirwaiz Umar Farooq were unanimous in opining that the Sikh carnage was directed to rupture the secular fabric of Kashmir and to defame the Kashmir movement for freedom. “The heinous act was so designed to scuttle US President Bill Clinton’s intermediary role in resolving the conflict to restore peace in South Asia.”

This machinated gruesome massacre impressed the mind of President Clinton who hurriedly endorsed the preconditions imposed by India for starting peace dialogue with Pakistan. And, this will definitely dampen the peace initiative in the region, asserted the IHRO.

Sri Nagar High Court Bar Association members told the IHRO team: “Area around the ill-fated Singhpora village is largely controlled by armed militant groups that had abandoned freedom movement and are recruited by the army as an auxiliary counter-insurgency force. They are provided with settlements almost adjoining to the army camps.”

Even as the authorities alleged that the two militant organisations are involved in the killings, Hizbul Mujahideen leader Sayed Salahuddin has to say: “The killing is aimed at creating a wedge between the Sikhs and the Muslims in Kashmir,” adding that Mujahideen and the people of Kashmir strongly condemn the killing of innocent Sikhs and share the grief with the victims’ families. We promise that Mujahideen will avenge the killing of innocent Sikhs, according to North America chapter of the IHRO.

Lashkar-e-Toiba's spokesman Yahya Mujahed has also said: “We have never attacked any civilians. It is our record that we only target the Indian military.” Pakistan condemned the Sikh carnage as well and demanded an inquiry, voicing fears that India might exploit the incident for propaganda.

“Isolate the Muslims in Kashmir,” said a midlevel officer from the BSF, “then we will be free to deal with them,” according to The New York Times, March 22, 2000.

Then, how come National Security advisor Brajesh Mishra named at New Delhi the two militant groups early on March 21 while the DIG, Anantnag, Raja Ajaz Ali the same evening said that killers could not be identified as they were in army fatigues, surprisingly asked the IHRO.

Almost all the militant groups of Kashmir, including their political front APHC, and Sikh organisations world-wide have accused the Indian intelligence agencies and counter-insurgency force for the killings of innocent Sikhs, said the IHRO, adding that it is not without strings that the J & K state is headed by two intelligence men as Governor (former RAW chief) and DGP.

Definitely, the accusing finger is towards the intelligence network and counter-insurgency force (renegades). “We are, therefore, left with no option but to demand a judicial inquiry by two sitting judges of the Supreme Court into this horrible massacre of innocent Sikhs in the area of South Kashmir, now mostly commanded by renegade militants, so as to sift out the truth,” said the team.

“We would also demand an inquiry into the alleged encounter in which militants, said to be involved in the Singhpora killings, have been killed.” The Sikhs in the valley are least bothered about who did the act or who had directed to do the trick but they seem determined to migrate to safer place in order to live a peaceful life with a guarantee of their life and property.

The cat is out of the bag

The Times of India reported on March 31 that “militants” killed were civilians. “The killing by the army of five “militants” at Pataribal, nine km from Chithi Singhpora, on March 25 has kicked up a row with local villagers claiming that they were civilians.”

The civil administration, however, has decided to order a magisterial inquiry and if necessary, exhume the bodies as the villagers have alleged that the persons were killed in a fake encounter. The army had claimed that the “militants” killed were involved in the massacre of 35 Sikhs on March 20. Divisional Commissioner of Kashmir, Khurshid Ahmad Gani, told The Times of India News Service that truth would prevail.

Meanwhile, the Anantnag Bar Association exhibited some traces of killed persons, which indicated that those killed were civilians who went missing on March 24. The district bar association demanded an independent inquiry into the Chithi Singhpora massacre and the killings in a faked encounter, according to The Tribune, March 31. “Dr Farooq Abdullah said he had directed DGP Gurbachan Jagat and ADGP-CID R K Tikku to inquire into the incident of encounter.”

There was a tension in Anantnag town following an agitation launched by the local people who observed complete strike for the second day on March 30. They also took to streets and demonstrated before the Deputy Commissioner’s office disputing the army’s claim that it had killed foreign militants involved in the Sikh massacre.

The army had blown up a house, said to be the hideout of the militants, and recovered five bodies, which were charred beyond recognition. The army later buried them.

The villagers alleged that they had found the turban of Jumma Khan and the sweater of Zahoor Dadal from the site of the fake encounter. They were among the five persons missing since March 24, a day before the encounter.

The villagers claimed that Jumma Khan (55), Kumma Khan (50), Zahool Dadal (25), Muhammad Yousuf Malik (45) and Bashir Ahmad Bhat (18) were missing from Braringam, Momonabad and Hallan. Their relatives had filed FIRs about the missing persons with the local police station. But the police said those killed were not the missing persons, added the TOI report.

Yet another encounter

A Defence Ministry representative said that the troops, on a tip-off that a group of militants had entered Brang valley from Kuthar valley in district Anantnag, launched a massive search operation around six ‘O clock morning.

“The troops were conducting house to house searches at Halan village when they were fired upon by militants with automatic weapons from different directions. The troops retaliated and killed six militants, allegedly part of the militant group who had killed 35 Sikhs at Chithi Singhpora on March 20 night,” he said (Indian Express, March 30).

He said with the killing of the six militants, 11 ultras responsible for the March 20 carnage had been eliminated within four days.

This too seems a fake encounter and needs to be investigated. Why does the army do so? Because, they have something to hide from the public.

That why the IHRO has demanded a credible judicial inquiry into the Sikh carnage and the encounter killings of those allegedly involved in the Sikh massacre.

Future of Kashmiri Sikhs in the Valley?

They are not bothered who did it. They are worried about their future. Six persons of the ill-fated village were on the hit list of the renegade militants. Three (Fauzi Charan Singh, Prabhu Singh and Nasib Singh) of them have been short dead and the fourth one (Nanak Singh) was injured seriously and now is in the army hospital. (Binder Kaur is also in hospital due to heart attack caused as a result of her son Ravinder Singh’s death in the carnage).

The top on the list was the ex-serviceman Charan Singh who along with the others was vocal enough to oppose the iniquitous deeds of the renegades in the village who frequently visited them.

A young boy and relative of Mohammad Yaqoob @ Chhatta, who was arrested next morning from the village, told the IHRO team: “Who knows in a village who is who? Renegades are more dangerous. They more often indulge in immoral activities, including drinking, sexual abuse, loot and innocent killings. Both Sikhs and Muslims alike are targets of these elements.”

Sikhs reported two cases of abduction of Sikh girls at gunpoint in area around by these itinerants. On the night of March 23 when the IHRO team was staying in the village, an army colonel offered arms and Rs 5000/- monthly to each of about 200 village Sikh youth for purging militants. They flatly refused to become cat-like. They along with other Kashmiri Sikhs decided to migrate from Kashmir and finally put this decision before the Sikh national leadership on March 31.

The Sikh world extended all support and sympathy to the victim families of Chithi Singhpora village and assured all help in future while postponing the idea of mass migration for the time being.

Almost all-militant groups and their political outfits have with one voice condemned the ghastly massacre and decided to instil the confidence among the local Sikhs at mass level.

And the Government should shoulder the responsibility to let the people know: who are the guilty (?) by ordering judicial inquiry into the Sikh carnage.

Meanwhile, the IHRO has, on April 2, 2000, petitioned to the National Human Rights Commission chairman Mr Justice J S Verma to get investigated the massacre and subsequent killings of the “militants” in encounters with the army troops so that the truth may come out and the guilty may be brought to book.

“Seeing the gravity of the matter, we therefore, urge this honourable commission to immediately take up this matter along with the petition preferred by Sardar Manjit Singh Butalia advocate for compensation to the aggrieved family of Singhpora village massacre.”

J & K High Court Bar Association Members’ Views

A K Malik: The act is very condemnable. It seems an act of counter-insurgency forces. There should be a thorough inquiry to identify the real culprits. Government must shoulder its responsibility for this.

Abdul Majeed Daar: This genocide of Sikhs is to malign the majority community of Kashmir. In the last 12 years, the Sikhs were never harmed. There is a deep-rooted conspiracy to do that. One can understand who really is the gainer of this most deplorable massacre of innocent Sikhs, especially at a time when President Clinton was scheduled to start a dialogue with the PM in New Delhi.

H D Ahmed: There is always a reason for an action. At a time when Pundits migrated from Kashmir Sikhs opted to stay back home because of fellowship with Muslims had become strong after 1984. Actually, Sikhs and Muslims are now coming closer not only in Kashmir but also worldwide. This ghastly act is aimed at dampening this process. I am afraid a few renegade boys in the form of Mujahideen might have used in this machination.

A M Khan: One who was not ashamed of killing thousands of Sikhs in Amritsar and then Delhi and other parts of India will not feel ashamed of killing 35 Sikhs in Kashmir to defame Kashmir freedom movement and to blame Pakistan for all this. Unless checked by the majority here these like incidents may repeat in future elsewhere in the valley.

Justice Farooqi: The motive behind the mass killing of Sikhs at a certain point of time and the circumstantial evidence available with us go to show that the real culprits may not be the freedom fighters, but the renegades and their masters who cover them and condone their private loot and nefarious activities.

Onkar Singh: Kashmiri Muslims owe a reply to the Sikhs why they have been so killed and what is the future security.

List of Sikhs killed in the Chithi Singhpora Massacre

Outside the Village Gurdwara

1. Charan Singh

2. Jagir Singh

3. Nasib Singh Nambardar

4. Didar Singh

5. Sartaj Singh

6. Ujjal Singh

7. Darbara Singh

8. Rajdeep Singh

9. Kingpal Singh

10. Sukha Singh

11. Sarwan Singh

12. Jagdish Singh

13. Gurmit Singh

14. Kulbir Singh

15. Raghunath Singh

16. Ravinder Singh

17. Faqir Singh

In Shokhipora Mohalla

18. Niranjan Singh (60)

19. Ranjit Singh (40)

20. Rattan Singh (35)

21. Karnail Singh (30)

22. Gurbax Singh (35)

23. Uttam Singh (30)

24. Gurdip Singh (22)

25. Ajit Singh (17)

26. Devinder Singh (17)

27. Surjit Singh (17)

28. Ravinder Singh (25)

29. Mangal Singh (30)

30. Joginder Singh (30)

31. Sukhpal Singh (40)

32. Rachpal Singh (29)

33. Ranbir Singh (27)

34. Gurmukh Singh (35)

35. Jang Bahadur Singh (30)

One Injured: Nanak Singh

on some websites, its mentioned that compositions like Sri Akal Ustat and Sri Gyan Parbodh were left incomplete. Is this true ???

If a complete granth was compiled before 1699, how can some compositions be left incomplete ?

There were some compositions that Guru sahib did not get time to complete.laso krishna avtar was written in two parts one part at Anandpur sahib and the otehr at Paonta sahib.

Veer, that confusing.So is it true that Sri Akal Ustat and Sri Gyan Parbodh are incomplete ?

Why would Dashmesh Pita compile a granth in 1697 with incomplete compositions ?

on some websites, its mentioned that compositions like Sri Akal Ustat and Sri Gyan Parbodh were left incomplete. Is this true ???

If a complete granth was compiled before 1699, how can some compositions be left incomplete ?

Gurbani is the vedas, puranas,smrities , shastars for gursikhs. All bani other than Satguru jee is kachiii.

Vedas, koran, bible etc do have some correct things in them but the gurmat naam is so powerful that just by doing some kamaye of this naam, one automatically gets to know all these things.

It is the inferiority complex and the lack of kamayee of gurmat naam that sikhs want to read or listen to vedas. They will call a person like me kattar or intolerant, hahahaha.

Regarding sants, yes meeting and listening to a true sant does help, but the type of sants we have these days, its pretty tough to trust them. Thats my personal opinion. These sants are always to do parchar in Uk, usa, canada but there are lakhs of prospective sikhs in karnataka, andhra pradesh etc but I doubt they go there and do parchar.

Than why are you complaining on here and spoiling this thread? Go to Baba Jagjit Singh ji, who does prachaar in India most of the year and comes out here to do prachaar as well, and tell him where to go do prachaar. Go tell all the sants.

You're implying he's dodgy in some way without even having met him. If you're not, than why the above post?? You dislike something he said, had no personal attack to use against him, and decided to do general nindya of the stereotypical sant that people love to bash. It's ok if you disagree with what he said, but if you're not going to engage in constructive discussion, please leave the thread alone.

Alright bro, cool down! All the best to you and your sant jee!

I am also planning to become a sant in the next couple of years, so may be u people can call me to uk, usa and also post my views on forums.

<< i dont visit punjab much, its there any other alternative>>

i can use occult powers, diffuse the barrier of 5 tatts, get gupt and appear in front of u in Uk with a great shastar.

After eating some allu paranthas at ur house and giving u ashirvaad, i will do this choo mantarr again and come back.

Easy isnt it.

Gurbani actually encourages the study of the scriptures of other dharm, such as the Vedas, this is written in Guru Granth Sahib ji. however, Vedas and granths of other mats are not our Guru and are not authority for us like Guru ji is, that is what the Gurbani tuk you are referring is saying. Rather than relying on our feelings of what Gurbani is saying we must study it to understand. Gurbani in fact explicitly says to not call the Vedas false.

Baba ji never says there is any other Satguru for us but Guru Nanak Dev ji. The avtars discussed in the previous post were from past yugs and are mentioned in Gurbani with respect as well.

As for jugti of naaam, only the punj pyare can give Gurmantar, but vidvaans can teach different methods of japping naam. I have read somewhere that Bhai Dya Singh ji actually had a jugti of japping naam written down in one of his books, which shows that this is allowed. Guru Granth Sahib ji also makes reference to different methods of japping Naam. And many bhramgyani in the past have taught different methods of jaap to their students, such as Baba Jawala Singh ji.

If you don't like the fact that people are interested in learning about these aspects of Gurmat, than feel free to not comment. If you still disagree with what is said, than please feel free to open up a new thread to discuss it if you wish.

As for following the Guru's teachings, the Guru explicitly tells us to learn about the Guru's teachings from the sants. (http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showtopic=36921&hl=sants)

Gurmat marg at the beginning is not complex to follow, it is fairly straightforward. But an hour's worth of instruction is not enough to cover every single challenge that one comes across on this path. Gurmat is an ocean, how can we know everything ourselves just from reading english translations of Gurbani?

I know a Singh who had Amrit rus fill up his mouth and drip down from his dasam dwar. He became alarmed and told people including doctors in an attempt to find out what was wrong with him. He lost this kirpa b/c he told people and had to do a lot of kamai before he regained it.

This is why people need to listen to katha from learned vidvaans who have already walked this path and know the pitfalls, so that they can put this knowledge to use in overcoming the obstacles that will eventually present themselves on this path.

Gurbani is the vedas, puranas,smrities , shastars for gursikhs. All bani other than Satguru jee is kachiii.

Vedas, koran, bible etc do have some correct things in them but the gurmat naam is so powerful that just by doing some kamaye of this naam, one automatically gets to know all these things.

It is the inferiority complex and the lack of kamayee of gurmat naam that sikhs want to read or listen to vedas. They will call a person like me kattar or intolerant, hahahaha.

Regarding sants, yes meeting and listening to a true sant does help, but the type of sants we have these days, its pretty tough to trust them. Thats my personal opinion. These sants are always to do parchar in Uk, usa, canada but there are lakhs of prospective sikhs in karnataka, andhra pradesh etc but I doubt they go there and do parchar.

Its high time that the panth stops depending on sant/babas. Get the jugti from Punj Pyare, japp Naam, read gurbani and stay within sat-sangat.

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I'm not sure if this older Q&A has been posted on SS... So I'm putting up the translation from this older Q&A from one year ago (I think).

1. What is sachkhand? is sachkhand a place as beleived by nanaksar samparda - physical place or a state of mind/nirvakalap samadi beleived by nirmale upsamparda of bhai dya singh ji?

- Sant ji said that nanaksar beleif in sachkhand being sargun place (one place), and hoti mardan samparda beleived in nirvakalap samadhi/sarab vyapak. He said bhagat who does sargun upasana of guru nanak dev sees guru nanak dev ji being in sachkhand also have same avastha as bhramgyani of nirgun upasak, only difference nirgun upasak see sachkhand being sarab vyapak(seeing bhram everywhere/everything) but sargun upasak sees an certain place, person as vahiguroo in one set place, sargun upasak also merges with nirankar with an help of sargun vahiguroo. However, nirgun upasana(vairaat) is higher than sargun upasana, nirgun upasana should be ultimate goal. There is no difference in avastha, however sargun upasak of sri guru nanak dev ji eventually either by himself or by sri guru nanak dev ji get their birthi livleen(merge) in nirgun. Where there is no shabad, no dhuni nothing just full nirvakalp samadhi with nirgun paratma.

2. Sikhs beleive in first dhuni(resosance) is ong, hindus beleive in first dhuni in aum, islam beleive in first dhuni being kun which one is it?

Sant ji said the whole creation is made in maya(upadi). Even dhuni has an element of upadi. Therefore, nirgun paratma doesnt have any change. All the dhunis are there, there are all lower than nirvakalap samadhi. In that stage, there is no shabad nor there is a dhuni. just vismaad avastha.

3. According to sankarcharaya mat, there is no need for guruparsad, they say just do atama khoj within one self to find paratma. However gurmat beleives in both gurparsad as well as atama khoj within one self?

Sant ji replied, if one is atamgyani in other words if one has birthi liv leen in atma. Then at that point in essence for them there is no need for guru. However for jaiagaso, there is 110% need for Guru. Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is gyan datta. If one reads gurbani and instead of peace, gets sansa/doubts their mind how do they get rid of them? For that you need a guide who have expereinced gurbani on a spiritual level.

4. What are 25 Parkrityas?

- Sant Ji said, there are five elements- sky, air, water, fire, earth. Each elements further gets divided into 4 additional sub elements along with its orginal element(tats). To read further read into this, sant ji gave an excellent reference guide called- vedant pardipaka written by baba ji themselves. I will be in future putting this vedant pardipaka online.

5. After reading and understanding gurbani, one can overcome- pranmay kosh, aanmay kosh, manmay kosh via meditation on dasam dwara. How can one remove parda of vigyan may kosh/anand may kosh?

- Sant Ji said when dhyaan gets merged in atma, then vigyan may kosh parda is also removed because if there is no anmay kosh then natually there is no pran may kosh, manmay kosh vigyanmay kosh, with an support of anmay kosh, buddi is there. without annmaykosh, buddi is sunn. Now moving towards anandmay kosh, when birthi resides in anandmay kosh, that is sukhopati avastha. All three avastha- jagrath, supan, sukhopati avastha is directly related to this physical body. Fourth state- turiya avastha is above the physical body, panj koshas. Turiya is directly linked with atma.

6. Yogis do abhyaas on the pranas, eg- putting pressure on their breath taking towards navel to open kundalini chakar. What do gursikhs do? Do they also put pressure on navel via pranas or they take their dhyan on navel have their kundalini open?

Sant ji said all the chakras- nabhi, hirda, kant, trikurti charkas are just focal point(targets) where one according to they mat they belong to concentrate on so that mind doesnt wander away, it stays within the shabad. But real dhyaan is nirgun vairaat upasana which is naam jaap on ravaya paremshvar(sarab vyapak/everywhere) and seeing ravaya paremshvar(vahiguroo) in all parpaanch (everywhere). All these dhyaans on chakras are small small dhyaans so that mind doesnt wander. Some people idiolize mooratiya, yogis idiolize chakras. By idiolizing mooratiya or chakras, steady avastha is not attainable.

7. For jaagiaso, shabad surat marg is good or nirgun upaasana?

- Surat means listening, Nirat means dekhna(seeing), usually people misunderstand the meaning of surat. When birthi rise above both from surat/nirat then only birthi merges with atma. Shabad is one of technique used in to get mind concentrate in meditation. When one reaches nirvakalp samadhi, shabad also stays below, because shabad belongs to void/ether/sky element. Shabad means akhar, shabad also means bhram. Birthi negates akhar, however akhar which indicates attributes of Vahiguroo or Vahiguroo doesnt get destroyed, birthi resides there.

Eh akhar kirh jaingaie, vo akhar inn mein nahi |

Akhar Dristh Man Jaita Nanak Parbhram Nirlaipa ||

Akhar is an technique to give gyan, when gyan is attained akhar stays below.

8. How much of our soul is individual(jiv atma) and how much is it paratma?

- Sant Ji said, Jivatma- Paratma are one. Paratama is sarab vypaak(everywhere). Atma is partibin* of paratma and Jiv atma is partibin of paratma but under maya which is called-Ishver. Partibin in buddhi is atma. Partibin in Antish karan is jiv atma. Jiv atma- Paratma are one and same but only appears different because of upadi(change). EG- There are many types of akash- ghara akah, mata akash etc. But akash is only one- Mahaakash is only one and only.

*partibin- Pratbimbh is one of the explanations for the existential existence of jeev atma...reflection, it is merely the reflection of parmatma (with the sense of individuation). The other is avacched, which is the colouring of difference, i.e. upaadhi (like the colouring of a diamond by a flower).

9. When person dies, at the moment of death if person mind gets attuned to sargun(phsyical) saroop of vahiguroo, their gati(status) after death is of that lok. In jivan kiranie, sant jawala singh ji maharaj gave updesh to janak singh. please shed some light on this?

Sant ji said, sargun dhyaan is just an way to stop your mind wandering around, and to make your mind subtle attuned to meditation. Ultimately, dhyaan should merge in nirgun. Sargun upasana/dhyaan is also one of the way to get mukhti. Sant ji said, first mind have to make sakar(akar) dhyaan then nirakar avastha comes, then one have to take dhyaan out from sakar(akar/form) and then attach it towards nirakar. It takes time, Why not in beginning to save time have the dhyaan towards niraakar via shabad?

10. What is baikhunt?

- Baikhunt means khuntanth ho jana. At the state of Baikhunt- mind stops wandering, mind gets merges(leen) with vahiguroo, when birthi becomes anand saroop it called biakhunt. Begumpura is without gum is also same thing.

Baikhunt nagar jeha sant vasa ||

11. At the moment of death, if jaagaso is meditating upon shabad, can jaigaso can attain vedah mukh avastha?

- If jaigso attains jevan mukht avastha becomes bhramgyani while in physical body after death then only one can attain vedah mukh avastha. Note: I ll clarify further with sant ji regarding gaati of jaiagaso who dies at the time of reciting gurbani.

12. Whatever is happening in saupan avastha? is it from jagrath avastha?

- Sant ji said, whatever you see in saupan avastha is an film of jagrath avastha either from this life or previous life.

In sukhopat avastha, buddhi becomes jarr(matter). All three avastha is also agyan avastha. Everyone have jagrath, suapan, sukhopat avastha. Turiya avastha is attained by only few ones.

13. When we get different types of dreams is that our thoughts from previous life?

Sants ji said, when we are dreaming, dhyaan resides in extremely subtle vein in our body called heta(vein) which is 1000 times even more subtle than hair. When dhyaan resides in that nari, thoughts from previous life/this life comes forward in form of dreams.

14. How many tats devi/devta's, bhoot, praits have?

- Seventeen tats consists of 5 pran, 5 gyan indrae, 5 karam indraie, antish karan, ahankar.

15. How does parlo work?

- Sant ji said when parlo comes earth gets merges into water, then waters merges in fire, fire merges in air, air merges into sky. The whole world gets destroyed, jev atma doesnt get destroyed however they get merged back in maya because they they dont themselves have energy to come back to this world because of their really bad karams, there they beg for their salvation. After then whenever akaal purkh gets an forna to transcedent itself into many, this jiv atma gets another chance and they come to do this earth.

When maha parlo occurs everything gets merges back in nirgun paratma including bhram, vishnu, shiva, isher, maya.

Parlo comes in many forms from earth quakes, tsaunamis, lightning, flood, valcanoes etc etc

16. Can we contemplate on our own vairaat saroop as well like how krishan maharaj contemplate on his vairaat saroop and how krishan maharaj showed his vairaat saroop to arjan ji -

- Sant ji said, krishan showed huge saroop of Isher(Sargun form of God) in which 7 ethers/sky are consider isher (head), 7 patals are consider his feets, vital force system is consider his nostrils, chand(moon) and sooraj(sun) are considered his eyes. His heart is considered as Vishnu and bhram and shiv are considerd his two hands. All nadis(ocean) are consider his veins and all the mountains are consider his bones and all the nature are considered his praticles(rom).

We cannot contemplate on our own vairaat saroop because we are not made of shud satogun(maya). Avtars are made of maya, they make their own body as big they want or as small they want.

17. What are antriv arth of Ik ong kar?

- Ik is advait, ik roop(non duality), according to vedant ong/aum is akar, aukar, makar, according to different school of thoughts ong its parkash roop. Kar is vachaak of maya- isher.

18. When we say in ardas- Raj Karega Khalsa akhai Rahe Na Koi?

Any prani who has tasted atam ras is khalsa. He/She could be from any bhek, mat.

19. When we do vairaat upasana can it be in mool mantar or one shabad abhyaas?

- Sant ji said, do vairaat upasana in shabad abhyaas and recite mool mantar with your tongue, listen the sound of mool mantar with your ears.

20. Any message to the sikh youths who are walking on this spiritual path?

- Sant ji said, they should get up early in the morning atleast 4 am, do 5 mala of mool mantar, do japji sahib, rehras, kirtan sohila, do darshan of guru sahib in gurdwara sahib twice a day. Do seva in langar, joraie di seva, kirtan seva if one knows who to do kirtan, youths should stay away from kusangat(bad sangat), youths should learn ithaas, teekas from puratan samparda- nirmale, taksal, sevapanthis etc etc.

Q&A and translation by N3O from www.sikhawareness.com

I differ with bhai jagjit singh ji is saying. Guru Nanak Dev Jee is the ONLY Satguru and without Gurdekhiya from Satguru jee, there is only darkness.

vedas are jhoote matt and sikhs dont believe in vedas.

bed kateb kaho mat jhothe, jhootha jo na bechare.

I feel this tukk means that ved and kateb are jhoote and jhoota is the one who does not understand this.

Can i trust gurmukh pyare such as harinder singh, jassa or sahib singh1981 if i send u money, could u send me shasters to the uk? Could you please do this seva? Guru jee loves his gursikhs who carry shasters!!

Dhan guroo dhan guroo pyare :BOW: :BOW: :BOW:

I am a manmukh and a pakhandi. Dont trust me! hahaha

Its ghor kaliyug. Only trust Guru Maharaaaj.

wjkk wjkf

To make one shaster it takes one month . the iron we use for shaster is costly and is of very good quality. the whole shaster's are hand made . (log in : www.nihangsingh.com)

Veer thats true, but still the rates are a bit too high. Singhs in India cant afford such rates,

I got some shastars from you and showed them to fellow singhs. They were totally amazed and wanted to buy, but could not afford.

A good idea will be to bhetaa some shastars(with no profit) to panthic organizations like AKJ, Taksal, Nihungs every year. It will be great service to the panth and will get u lots of khushi of Dashmesh Pita.

There is a singh at Hazur Sahib who also makes very good shastars. Every year he does bhetaa of shastars worth 2 lakh at a Nihung chaunni in Sri Anandpur Sahib.

wjkk wjkf veer g ur idea is very gud ,but one thing i can tell u that we also gift shastars to behangam nihang singh.

Veer, I am planning to get pesh in a nihung dal pretty soon and I am unmarried and deep down have an urge to remain behangam. I will be coming to ur factory to get the gift of some shastars. hahahaha

Seriously, man, ur shastars are daamm good. Even the muthaa or the handle is damm good, puratan style.

Modern-day shastars have become just a pradarshani and business.

Actually if you are in full Sikhi Saroop, people stare at you all the time. Tyar Bar Tyar Singhs are hard to find, esp. in Punjab. Majority of people are sinners, so they get scared when they see tyar bar tyar khalsa..and don't forget that to a common Hindu, a Tyar Bar Tyar Singh is very repulsive. They hate Singhs and associate all of them being Khalistani. They are afraid inside and hate Sikhs...but are very sweet tounged.

Veer, many turban wearing non-hindu punjabis have a dislike for bana and khullaaa darraa as well. And yes hindus do feel uncomfortable with bana and khulla darraa and sri sahib.

INdians including punjabis have slave mentality. They have entire given up their clothing, dressing, etc and try to copy the west. Such people who cant even remain honest with their mother tongue, their culture, how can such people be honest with God ? No doubt Indians remain slaves for thousands of years.

wjkk wjkf

To make one shaster it takes one month . the iron we use for shaster is costly and is of very good quality. the whole shaster's are hand made . (log in : www.nihangsingh.com)

Veer thats true, but still the rates are a bit too high. Singhs in India cant afford such rates,

I got some shastars from you and showed them to fellow singhs. They were totally amazed and wanted to buy, but could not afford.

A good idea will be to bhetaa some shastars(with no profit) to panthic organizations like AKJ, Taksal, Nihungs every year. It will be great service to the panth and will get u lots of khushi of Dashmesh Pita.

There is a singh at Hazur Sahib who also makes very good shastars. Every year he does bhetaa of shastars worth 2 lakh at a Nihung chaunni in Sri Anandpur Sahib.

Not just Jallianwala Bagh whole Punjab will be soon controlled by 100% Hindu political parties. (even our sikh parties Badal wereo never support sikhs).

The way people from Bihar (UP) Bhaiyeea coming to Punjab and buying properties. They rate their population and votes are growing are scary..

The increasing oil prices are going to adversely effect the current industrial agricultural practices in Punjab and lazy punjabis will be forced to do things on their own.

In future, there is going to be a shift towards agricultural economy and sikhs will be at advantage. Modern cities and towns are going to greatly suffer.

Punjab does not have much muslim population whereas almost all other areas of India are under attack by either the muslim population or the naxalites.

Things are much more scary for non-punjabis than punjabis.

Dear Veer,

I was just searching this forum and read a post of yours where u mentioned that in USA, u have 2 birs of Sri Dasam Granth, the hazuri bir and the bir patna compiled in 1697,1698. Can u tell something about the contents of these birs and are they different from the present verion of Sri Dasam Granth we have ? Do these birs contain Charitro-pakhyan as charitro-pakhyan was also available as a separate granth.

They contain Chariropakhayan.I can verify the contents of chariropakhayan when i visit that firend of mine.They have some pages with guru gobind singh's hand writing called khas patras.They have signature of guru gobind singh ji and name of scribes.They ahve corrections made by Guru sahib with his hand.

They do not have zafarnama as it was written afterwards.If you make a list of questions and post here i will get the answers about those two birs when i visit my friend.

Pyar veer,

thanks a lot. This is one of the most important information I have ever got. This means that a complete granth was prepared and compiled by Dashmesh Pita before 1699.

This just means that Dasam Granth was written for the Khalsa.

destiny

How much expensive? in thousands or lacs?

a 3 feet sword shud cost around 17-20 thousand indian rupees.

I myself got a 13 inch sword for 6 thousand and a 1.5 feet beautiful sword for 9 thousand.

The reason for the high rates is the iron.

They guarantee that u bring any shastar of yours and they will cut it with their shastar and THEY ARE RIGHT. I myself saw the demonstration where they made a joke of shastars that most of us wear. Their shastars are SACHA PAKKAA LOHAAA.

Points 35 and 36 are very interesting.

35. dont eat food sitting besides niguraas.

36. only eat food prepared by rehitvaan amritdharis.

These 2 points are great and support dietary bibek which I feel is must if someone wants to do bhagti.

Then there is a mention that blue keski shud be worn all the time, even while drying hair, one shud cover the head with the blue keski. This indirectly means that keski shud be treated as a kakaar.

All in all, excellent nihung rehit.

If all nihungs start to practice this rehit, THEY WILL RULE THE WHOLE WORLD.