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Singballer and King Singh you are so funny . In the words of Mr T - "I pity the fool". Let's make it clear, at Bradford sangat is minimal (most have left to go to Singh Sabbha). What has been done to advance Baba Gian Singh's teachings there? At High Wycombe Akhand Pahrts are as minimal as your objectivity. Yet at Oldbury, the same committee and sangat you are quick to criticise and ashamedly slur, with Guru Ji's Kirpa the gurdwara goes from strength to strength. Every week there are five Akhand pahrts, regular Wednesday gurmat classes, gatka, kick boxing, gym including boxing ring and an annual Hola Mohala Gatka tournament to name but a few. This committee has presided over the gurdwara for a very long time, with upmost faith from Baba Gian Singh. The same committee who rejected Jaspal Singh, and saw him for who he is and who he has subsequently rejected, are nishkam sevadars. Jeet Singh and Jaspal Singh are replacing them for people who take the sangats money for undertaking kirtan and others who have never set foot in the place. Bradford gurdwara has wasted the sangats money on backhanders to judges and paying Kulwinder Singh and his cronies (the latest of which is a disgruntled sangat member who wanted to be on the committee) so one can understand Jeet Singh and Jaspal Singh's motives - simple greed. Singballer and King Singh you are quick to slander Khera (jathedar at Oldbury) but I will not let that mud stick. Like we all lead perfect lives. I wonder what would be unearthed if you laid bare your lives (or mine for that matter)? I know from my sangat with Baba Gian Singh that Khera would have Kanda Bata ready in his car for whenever a devotee got the call to take the amrit. I know he comes to gurdwara on Wednesday and does nishkam seva until Sunday which is more that I have ever committed to or any of the cronies being espoused by Jeet Singh and Jaspal Singh. Lets also set the record staright. Khera and the Oldbury committee have been banned by Jeet Singh and Jaspal Singh from Bradford, High Wycombe and Gurdwara Nirmal Kutia Johalan. Khera and other committee members were regular visitors/sevadar at Gurdwara Nirmal Kutia Johalan during the life of Baba Gian Singh and Baba Harbhajan Singh. I aim to give case references and will, once I get my hands on the court documents, give a word for word account of Jeet Singh's testimony in court this weekend.

:gg: I am very sorry to hear that certain people have been upset with the thread around fake Baba's and cults. I am pleased that some Sikhs know the truth. In the latest issue of the Panjabi newspapers, the Oldbury Gurudwara Parbhandaks make it clear that Jeet Singh cult has left the samparda of Karm Singh Ji Hothi Mardaan & has become a Nirmal Bhekh Hardwari parcharak, these people are more Hindu than Sikh & are a cult they bathe at the Kumbh Mela & their leaders are called Pandits. If I have upset people with this dicsussion i am sorry but we as a nation need to stand up against these individuals as they are the enemies of Sikhi. Singhballer with all respect you are just another naive person who does not know what is really going on in India or the UK, I suggest you grow up & respect my informed opinion as a sister. Singh_1983 knows what the truth... May Vaheguru give you the strength to continue speaking the truth. by the way Sant Rosan Singh Samparda Karm Singh Hothi Mardan threatened legal action against both Jeet & Jaspal for using the name of the samparda under false pretences. Jeet has left mainstream Sikh and is a Hindu I'm sorry but I cannot agree to you calling me naive. You say I don't know what going on in India? Tell me have you even in your life even gone to Johalan Dera? Have you ever had the Darshan of the Sants? The only thing you know is what you've read in papers or what you have heard from Singhs in the Oldbury Gurdwara. You only know what you've learned from outer sources. Heres the History (I will give all the names of these people as soon as my Father returns) During the end of the life of Sant Gian Singh Ji and Sant Harbhajan Singh Ji, a few "sewadaars" were "helping" the Sants to attain more land and have the deeds to the land put under the name of the Dera. The land that is under the name of the Dera is crores per acre.. an mind boggling amount of money when looked at as a whole. These men extracted money from within the transactions made to aquire the land. Afterward while the land was being registered they tried to put the land under their familys name and inturn literally control the Gurdwaras assets. When the Sants learned of this trickery from people whom were trusted by them they immediately told them to leave the Dera not to ever to return.. in a sense they were barred from the Dera. Most of the people went back to the U.K.. and guess to which place?? That's Correct! Oldbury Gurdwara. This happened 4-5 years ago. The 3 Gurdwaras in the U.K which are credited to be made by the Dera were actually made by the people and not the Sants. When Sant Gian Singh Ji came to the U.K and Canada, the Sangats gave alot of Maya to Sant Ji. Sant Ji told the Sangat that he had not come to the west to collect money and told them to set up a Gurdwara where they could the Parchaar of Sikhi.. Thats how the Oldbury Gurdwara was made. They Dera NEVER in tries to take over the Gurdwaras in England. The Gurdwara was made by the Sangat for the Sangat and there has never been an approach made to take it over.. that is just a lie fed into the papers. Navtej paanji.. do you really trust the word of these decieving tricksters? Those people who were told to leave the Gurdwara then tried to get the land through the courts.. and so they tried to sue the Dera for the land. But how can a truthfull Dera of Sadhus whos sole occupation is Waheguru lose a a court case threaded with lies? The Dera won all cases againts them. These same people manipulated the Newspapers.. which is what everyone is reading. They fed in lies to demfame the current Sants and and the Dera.. but the Preemis of the Dera know the truth. These people put in article after article about the Sants saying this in court or ordering the beating of a person.. all lies. I don't blame any of you for what you have said about the Dera or Sants, as it just shows how great of a job these people have done. You say the Oldbury Gurdwara Prabandaks say that Sant Ji has left the Hoti Mardan Sampardha.. well these Prabhandaks are the same who were thrown out of the Dera 4-5 years ago. They are the same who give these report to the paper. My Father did seva at Johalan Dera every single day for 3 years. Someone here said that Sant Roshan Singh Ji stopped visiting Johalan Dera because of Sant Jeet Singh Ji. My father tells me that through that whole time he never had the Darshan of Sant Roshan Singh Ji at Johalan Dera, meaning that Sant Roshan Singh Ji never visited Johalan Dera. The only time Sant Roshan Singh Ji visited Johalan was when there was a Dastaar Bandi ceremony. The only time my dad has ever seen Sant Roshan Singh Ji was on the Dastaar Bandi of Sant Harbhajan Singh Ji.. and then obviously Sant Roshan Singh Ji came back to Johalan only 3-4 months later for the Dastaar Bandi of Sant Jeet Singh Ji and Sant Jaspaul Singh Ji after the passing of Sant Harbhajan Singh Ji Brakhath. My Father did seva hand and hand with Sant Jeet Singh Ji for 3 years! Would you rather trust Punjabi Papers or the opinion of a person who spent years with Sant Jeet Singh Ji about what kind of a person Sant Ji is? Both the Sants have an Uchi Avasthaa. All the Shakti of the former Sants is now within Sant Jeet Singh Ji.. they are true Sants. I plead with you to stop reading newspapers and listening to the cronies who call themselves Sikhs at Oldbury and ask people the actual TRUTH of the Dera. Ask Sant Jagjit Singh Ji Harkhowal Wale who are in the U.K right now too. If you really want to know about the Sants and Johalan Dera got to them and ask them.. plus they will surely give you the truth.. there can be no doubts about what they tell you. (I will edit my post to further give more information.. as soon as my Father returns :D ) 8 G.S Sant Baba Roshan Singh Ji was invited by Sabt Baba Gian Singh Ji on every barsi of previous sants but is no longer invited, yet you claim your dad was there for three years. I have videos of Sant Baba Roshan Singh Ji visiting dera and there is no dastaar bandee in sight! I will collate and post all case reference numbers of cases pending to answer those who claim there are no cases pending. In terms of land misappropriation there was no such incidents involving sikhs from Oldbury and this is blatant slurring. However the land misappropriation by Jeet Singh has been filed in court. The Indian legal system allows Jeet Singh to pay off judges in a smaller court to achieve the judgement mentioned earlier. This is now being contested in the High Court in India. The summary judgement does not confirm accession to gadi at dera and explicitly states that the verdict has no legal application overseas. Please explain why Kulwinder Singh was brought back in the fold by Jaspal Singh when he was banished from the dera for many years in the life of Sant Baba Gian Singh Ji. This is a man who is on his third marriage (divorced twice) and well known in Bradford and Leeds as a pervert. The only reason Jaspal Singh is in the dera is because he is Sant Harbhajan Singh Ji's nephew and not any spiritual enlightenment. Indeed many suspect that Jeet Singh is being used by Jaspal Singh who has his own agenda. Moreover Sant Harbhajan Singh Ji would have nothing to do with him. Please explain why many senior members sevadars at the dera left after the passing of Sant Harbhajan Singh Ji. This includes the right hand man of Sant Baba Gian Singh Ji and Sant Baba Harbhajan Singh Ji's, who was always there with them, being asked to leave immediately after Jeet Singh And Jaspal Singh taking over. Explain why the true, enlightened ones (Jeet Singh and Jaspal Singh) have banished those at Oldbury who do not believe in them from the dera and Bradford and High Wycombe gurdwaras when the Oldbury committee still allow those opposed to them to come to Oldbury, even though they have on many occassions caused trouble and warranted the police being called to come and restrain them. It is all very messy and does no credit to genuine sangat in Bradford, Oldbury and all across the world.

Don't normally get into this forum thing but must respond to this forum. Sant Baba Roshan Singh, aftervarious political pressures, tied the Dastaars on Jeet Singh and Jaspal Singh however given their recorded activities he has disowned them. Here is what they have been up to: 1. Sold a Mercedes bought by UK sikh sangat and bought land in their own name and in the name of their families (cases pending). 2. Had an 86 year old man beaten up and put into hospital. The men who did this were given a saropa. The old man sold his home and moved. The gentleman who bought his house was old and through no fault of his own, one day he opened the door to a similar mob who beat him up thinking he was the same 86 yr old man who had been beaten up before (cases pending). 3. Forged deeds in the names of the above "sants" for the UK gurdwaras (cases pending). 4. They have numerous cases against them pending both here and in India. For the India cases they have appointed Badal's lawyer (he isn't cheap). 5. They changed the constitution made by the previous sant baba gian singh ji so that they would be able changethe UK property in their name if they see fit. 6. Shergill who was kicked out of Smethwick has been recruited by them to head a new committee at Oldbury as they have seen them for who they are and have resisted putting the property in their name. 7. Threatened jathedar of Patna Sahib as he had the audacity to criticise them for because in court Jeet Singh testified that he is "Guru" and the sangat come to do his darshan and not the sri guru granth sahib. When questionned by the judge he conceded that there is a sri guru granth sahib present but that it was in the background (will forward case references so that when you are next in india you can get your own copies). 8. Jaspal Singh is just 30 years but yet he has been described above as a brahmgiani. Under what basis! I could go on for ages. It is sad for all concerned. There are innocent people who believe in the maryada of Johalan and desperately want to cling on to the sense of belonging. There are those who ackowledge that things have changed and what spiritual presence was there before is no longer there. Sadly people who have known each other all their lives no longer have any time for each other. Make your own minds up but I feel regardless of who the "sant" is we should hold sri guru granth sahib as the ultimate. Instead we are following any number of "sants" and they are "protected" by sakhis and passages from the sri guru granth sahib. We are sikhs, we should question things rather than blindly following like sheep. After all we are spiritual students. There will be many who are hurt by my comments but I do not mean offence. This is not about throwing muck and hoping it sticks. Do not just accept this version of events. Read into it and do your own research and then make up your own mind.