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In the past few months I have been hearing about this Jakara movement in southern california, but what are its origins and motivations. I have read their site, but I am not satisfied with the information. Does anybody know anything about the origins and what have you heard about this organization. All your help is sincerely appreciated.
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Hi People
My knowledge of sikhism is ashamedly low. i want to buy a book that could help me build my knowledge on sikh history, on the lives of the guroos, wars etc.
can anyone recommend a good book, which covers such topics comprehensively. i know a wealth of info exists on the net, however id rather read a book.
thanks
Here are some books in pdf. They should help you learn a lot. The Max Arthur Maculiffe set is probably the best introduction. It covers erverything!!
Max Arthur Macauliffe
The Sikh Religion in 6 volumes
This probably the most comprehensive set on Sikhism compiled in the early 20th century. The author was
mesmerized by a Sikh celebration. The man began to do a lot of research and found out that there was not much information on the Sikh religion. In cooperation with the Great Sikh Scholar Bhai Kahn Singh Nabha and through rigorous labor they produced this book set on Sikhism. The mans British superioirs criticized him for turning a Sikh. In his servants memoirs it is recorded that about 30 minutes before he passed away he was reciting the Japji Sahib. This man dedicated his life to this. The book set has gone into public domain and is available. It is an insult to this mans life if we do not learn from this monumental work. THis work CONTAINS EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING you can imagine on Sikhi.!!!!!!!!
Note: These pdf files range from 25-50mgs and to save them right click and save target as.
Enjoy!!!!!!
Volume One
http://www.archive.org/download/thesikhreligion01macauoft/thesikhreligion01macauoft.pdf
Volume Two
http://www.archive.org/download/thesikhreligioni02macauoft/thesikhreligioni02macauoft.pdf
Volume Three
http://www.archive.org/download/thesikhreligio203macauoft/thesikhreligio203macauoft.pdf
Volume Four
http://www.archive.org/download/thesikhreligioni03macauoft/thesikhreligioni03macauoft.pdf
Volume Five
http://www.archive.org/download/thesikhreligioni05macauoft/thesikhreligioni05macauoft.pdf
Volume Six
http://www.archive.org/download/thesikhreligioni06macauoft/thesikhreligioni06macauoft.pdf
Guru Nanak
The life and teachings of Guru Nanak Dev Ji By Thakur Singh Ji
http://www.archive.org/download/gurunanaklifeand00singuoft/gurunanaklifeand00singuoft.pdf
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Read This Teja Singh - The Sikh Religion. http://www.scribd.com/doc/18758207/Sikh-Religion-Teja-Singh
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what book is Bhavrasamrit
Good Service to the Community.
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i am making a educational video for the sikh youth, who think castes are good, and not anti-Sikh.
could anyone give me quotes that Guru Granth Sahib Ji are saying, which shows castes are wrong.
you know...
neeed asap, just post them here :D
Quotes
ਬ੍ਰਾਹਮਣੁ ਖਤ੍ਰੀ ਸੂਦ ਵੈਸ ਚਾਰਿ ਵਰਨ ਚਾਰਿ ਆਸ੍ਰਮ ਹਹਿ ਜੋ ਹਰਿ ਧਿਆਵੈ ਸੋ ਪਰਧਾਨੁ ॥
ब्राहमणु खत्री सूद वैस चारि वरन चारि आस्रम हहि जो हरि धिआवै सो परधानु ॥
Barāhmaṇ kẖaṯrī sūḏ vais cẖār varan cẖār āsram hėh jo har ḏẖi▫āvai so parḏẖān.
There are four castes: Brahmin, Kh'shaatriya, Soodra and Vaishya, and there are four stages of life. One who meditates on the Lord, is the most distinguished and renowned.
Guru Ram Das - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
ਖਤ੍ਰੀ ਬ੍ਰਾਹਮਣ ਸੂਦ ਵੈਸ ਉਪਦੇਸੁ ਚਹੁ ਵਰਨਾ ਕਉ ਸਾਝਾ ॥
खत्री ब्राहमण सूद वैस उपदेसु चहु वरना कउ साझा ॥
Kẖaṯrī barāhmaṇ sūḏ vais upḏes cẖahu varnā ka▫o sājẖā.
The four castes - the Kh'shaatriyas, Brahmins, Soodras and Vaishyas - are equal in respect to the teachings.
Guru Arjan Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
ਵਰਨ ਭੇਖ ਨਹੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਣ ਖਤ੍ਰੀ ॥
वरन भेख नही ब्रहमण खत्री ॥
varan bẖekẖ nahī barahmaṇ kẖaṯrī.
There were no castes or social classes, no religious robes, no Brahmin or Kh'shaatriya.
Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
मः २ ॥
Mėhlā 2.
Second Mehl:
जोग सबदं गिआन सबदं बेद सबदं ब्राहमणह ॥
Jog sabḏaʼn gi▫ān sabḏaʼn beḏ sabḏaʼn barāhmaṇėh.
The Way of Yoga is the Way of spiritual wisdom; the Vedas are the Way of the Brahmins.
खत्री सबदं सूर सबदं सूद्र सबदं परा क्रितह ॥
Kẖaṯrī sabḏaʼn sūr sabḏaʼn sūḏar sabḏaʼn parā kirṯėh.
The Way of the Khshatriya is the Way of bravery; the Way of the Shudras is service to others.
सरब सबदं एक सबदं जे को जाणै भेउ ॥
Sarab sabḏaʼn ek sabḏaʼn je ko jāṇai bẖe▫o.
One who knows this secret that the Way of all is the Way of the One;
<A class=dict onmouseover="ddrivetip('iNānak /i', 250)" onmouseout=hideddrivetip() href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨਾਨਕੁ" ;>ਨਾਨਕੁ ਤਾ ਕਾ ਦਾਸੁ ਹੈ ਸੋਈ ਨਿਰੰਜਨ ਦੇਉ ॥੩॥
नानकु ता का दासु है सोई निरंजन देउ ॥३॥
Nānak ṯā kā ḏās hai so▫ī niranjan ḏe▫o. ||3||
Nanak is a slave to him, he himself is the Immaculate Divine Lord. ||3||
Dasam Granth Sahib:
He who is without mark or sign, He who is without caste or line.
Salutation to Thee O Casteless Lord! Salutation to Thee O Lineless Lord !
Thou art Nameless, Placeless, Casteless, Formless, Colourless and Lineless.
How to know Thee when thou art Formless, Colourless, Casteless and without lineage?
Thou art without father and mother and art casteless, Thou art without births and deaths.
Thou art without body, without attachment, without colour, caste, lineage and name.
O Lord! Thou art Fatherless and Motherless. O Lord! Thou art Casteless. And Lineagless. 148.
He is without colour, mark, caste and lineage.
He Who hath no father, mother caste and lineage.
He who is without caste, lineage, mark and colour.
He is actionless, illusionless, birthless and casteless.
He is without work, without illusion, without birth and without caste.
He is without caste, without line, without form and without colour.
He is without caste, without line, without enemy and without friend.
He is without caste, without line, without friend and without adviser.
Thou art that Ultimate Reality which is without enemy, friend, birth and caste, which is without son, brother, friend and mother.
Which is without caste, line, enemy and friend. Which is without love, home, mark and picture.
Which is without caste, line, enemy and friend. Which is without is without birth, caste, illusion and guise. 4.124.
Which is without action, delusion, caste and lineage. Which is without love, home, father and mother.
He is without caste, without caste, without lineage, without mother and father. He hast Created the Kshatriya warriors under royal canopies on the earth.
He is without caste and lineage, and as Light He is united with all. He is without father, mother, brother and son.
He is without father, mother and caste and He is without lineage, mark and colour.
He hath no body, no home, no caste and no lineage.
He is without caste, lineage, picture, mark and colour.15.175.
He hath no caste, lineage, adviser, friend, enemy and love.
He is without caste, lineage, father, mother, adviser and friend.
He is without caste, birth, death and action and also without the impact of religious rituals.
He is without mark, sign, and colour; He is without caste, linege and guise.9.189.
He is without caste , lineage and story of descent; He is without form, line and colour.
He is without caste, lineage, contrast and illusion, He is without colour, form and special religious discipline.Searched the Sri Dasam Granth Sahib for caste Results 31 - 48 of 48. Search took 0.312 seconds.Page 85, Line 9
What is His Name? and what is His caste? He is without any enemy, friend, son and brother. 8.238.
He is without Yantra (mystical diagram) and caste, without father and mother and presumed as the splash of Perfect beauty.
Those who consider the castes illusory, they do not abandon the love of the Lord.
Those who fear the castes and follow their path, abandoning the Supreme Lord.
If Thou castest Thy Merciful glance at me, then Thy Servant shall utter all.3.
Thou art without colour, form, caste and lineage.
Consider Him as casteless in Thy mind, Who is devoid of caste, call Him lineageless who is devoid of lineage.
He is without caste and lineage, without mother and father; He is Unborn and ever perfect.
It cannot be assailed by the blow of weapon; It hath neither an enemy nor a friend, neither caste not lineage.4.129.
They became Kshatriyas of many junior ccastes.
He caused every caste to do its duties and set in motion Varnashram Dharma; Kshatriyas began to serve the Brahmin and the Vaishyas considered the Kshatriyas as gods.838.
Castelessness will be the caste and all will forsake the refuge of the Lord.30.
The whole earth will assume only one caste (of sin) and the trust in religion will be finished; there will be new sects in every home and the people will adopt only misconduct.48.
All the subjects became hybrid and none of the castes had remained in tact; all of them obtained the wisdom of Shudras and whatever the Lord desires, will happen.115.
The way, in which all the kings have been described, in the same way, the actions done by all the sages have been narrated as to how Rudra manifested himself in the castes of dvijas (twice born).7.
Vedas speak of Him as "Neti, Neti" (not this, not this) and that creator is the cause of all cause and unapproachable; He is casteless and without father, mother and servents.97.
Both are great fighters and archers; both have the same caste and the same mother;
O Baan ! whose names are Samar, Sandesh, Shatruha and Shatruha and Shatrantak, you are the protector of all the Varnas (castes) and giver of comfort to the saints.237.Bhai Gurdas's Varan:
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ਕਿਸਨੁ ਜਸੋਧਾ ਪਾਲਿਆ ਵਾਸਦੇਵ ਕੁਲ ਕਵਲ ਸਦਾਈ ।
kisanu jasodhaa paaliaa vaasadayv kul kaval sadaaee|
As the pot of any type containing ghee is not said to be bad,
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ਘਿਅ ਭਾਂਡਾ ਨ ਵਿਚਾਰੀਐ ਭਗਤਾ ਜਾਤਿ ਸਨਾਤਿ ਨ ਕਾਈ ।
ghia bhaandaa n vichaareeai bhagataa jaati sanaati n kaaee|
likewise, the saints also have no high or low caste whatsoever.
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ਚਰਣ ਕਵਲ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸਰਣਾਈ ॥੫॥
charan kaval satigur saranaaee ॥5॥
They all remain in the shelter of the lotus feet of the true Guru.___________________________________________________________________________
ਵਰਨਾ ਵਰਨ ਨ ਭਾਵਨੀ ਕਰਿ ਖੁਦੀ ਖਹੰਦੇ ।
varanaa varan n bhaavanee kari khudee khahanday|
All the vamas (castes) do not love one another and quarrel among themselves in ego;
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ਜੰਗਲ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਸੀਂਹ ਦੁਇ ਬਲਵੰਤਿ ਬੁਕੰਦੇ ।
jangal andari seenh dui balavanti bukanday|
if there are two lions in a jungle they roar mightily at each other.
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ਹਾਥੀ ਹਥਿਆਈ ਕਰਨਿ ਮਤਵਾਲੇ ਹੁਇ ਅੜੀ ਅੜੰਦੇ ।
haadee hadiaaee karani matavaalay hui arhee arhanday|
They all are like those intoxicated elephants which stubbornly fight each other.
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ਰਾਜ ਭੂਪ ਰਾਜੇ ਵਡੇ ਮਲ ਦੇਸ ਲੜੰਦੇ ।
raaj bhoop raajay vaday mal days|arhanday|
The mighty kings capture large territories and fight with each other.
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ਮੁਲਕ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹ ਦੁਇ ਜਾਇ ਜੰਗ ਜੁੜੰਦੇ ।
mulak andari paatisaah dui jaai jang jurhanday|
Two emperors in a country will go at war with each another.
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ਹਉਮੈ ਕਰਿ ਹੰਕਾਰ ਲਖ ਮਲ ਮਲ ਘੁਲਦੇ ।
haumai kari hankaar|akh mal mal ghuladay|
Guided and controlled by ego lacs of wrestlers wrestle with one another.
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ਗੁਰੁ ਸਿਖ ਪੋਹਿ ਨ ਸਕਨੀ ਸਾਧੁ ਸੰਗਿ ਵਸੰਦੇ ॥੬॥
guru sikh pohi n sakanee saadhu sangi vasanday ॥6॥
But ego cannot touch the Sikhs of the Guru residing in the holy congregation.
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Kalam E goya the writings of bhai nand lal goya in english and punjabi
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the movement started in 2005 and has always expressed real life sitautions and views in a real manner - dealing with life day to day. The artist attempt to lyrically draw a real picture of modern day Sikh related issues.
please check em out and pass them on if they do sumthing for u,
sorry in advanced if we have wasted ur time
take care people. wjkk wjkf
I looked online, but I couldnt find this song nit nit by xsbass and jagowale. It is on one of the Mixtapes as a extra.
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I ran into this Filipino girl at work that had the last named Singh. I asked her a few times, but she kept saying she was more Filipino. the girl had no interest in punjab or sikhi. its watever people choose.
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I see so many intelligent posts about how sikhs are facing problems from both internal and external forces, however I very rarely see singh/kaurs offering viable solutions to deal with the problem.
can I make a suggestion that when we post a problem or issue we offer some sort of thought on how to tackle the issue or maybe what our understanding of Gurbani tells us to do about it otherwise all were gonna end up with is a defeatist complex. what do you guys think??
There is a need for youth converts that are outside of the faith. Some of the most powerful leaders are usually of non Sikh birth. They adopt it in later life. Seek out people that are naturally leaders and began introducing them to Sikhi.
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Waheguru Jee Ka Khalsa Waheguru Jee Kee Fateh.
As many of you know, more and more youth are leaving the Sikh religion. Not too many youth are embracing the Sikh religion. Why is this happening? One reason is that there aren't too many Kirtan programs for our youth to attend. The need for Kirtan programs for our youth has never been more urgent than the times we are in right now. The connection someone makes while listening to Kirtan in the presence of Saadh Sangat is beyond measure. My request for everyone on this forum is to start more Kirtan programs for our youth so that our youth can embrace Sikhi.
Bhul Chuk Maaf Jee.
Waheguru Jee Ka Khalsa Waheguru Jee Kee Fateh.
I agree only half way.....Kirtan Programs are definitely important, but they should have a knowledge of Sikh Theology and clearly able to explain it. I know people that can do great Kirtan, but they just do not understand the message.
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Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh
I have recently come to the conclusion that Sikhism is a religion which we (the Sikhs) have failed to get across to the non asian community where we live. I talk of the UK where I live.
I mean I've seen brits and europeans who haven't heard of Sikhism..they dont know the basic tenants of Sikhism..ie that the males wear long turbans and grow long hair and beards.
Too many people view Sikhs as extremist muslims. This may be laughable to some but I am serious.
A vast majority of white people look at turbans as symbols of militant islam. As a community I think we have failed to address the isue of broadcasting Sikhi to the masses..just as Islam and hinduism have.
A small minority of whites know about Sikhism (and mainly only the british because they ruled over India and knew about the Sikhs). All we hear in the media is about muslim fundamentalists blowing up buildings etc..Sikhism isn't even mentioned among the main religions of the world (Christianity, Budhism, Hinduism and Islam) and this can be evidenced in the recent complaints received at the BBC radio 4 programme. I think I saw a link to that somewhere on this website.
I always go out of my way to tell people who are interested, about Sikhism and the basic beliefs of Sikhism. However, I notice that a lot of whites are looking at Sikhs in discust because they think we are associated with militancy and associate our turbans with Islam.
We as a community haven't managed to even tell our children about the tenants of Sikhism so small surpsie that we havn't managed to get across the message of our religion to others out there.
We focus on making bigger and better Gurdowaras...we focus on our own TV stations..but why cant we spend the funding on having programmes on Sikhism so that they can be aired on mainstream TV...so that we can share our history...our Guru's sacrifices with the other faiths.
Please share your views on this.
I totally agree with you. Its a sad state. I recently got so pssed off at current leadership I deiced to take action myself. Using my knowledge of Sikhi I have began preaching and spreading the message of Sikhi using craigslist. You may laugh but it really works in terms of getting people to the side and reading about sikhi.
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What aspect of Sikh History are you seeking to study? I have nearly an endless list of Sikhism books. If their is something specific you are interested in please mention, and I would enjoy helping you pinpoint something you will enjoy learning.
Best,
Kuthaman
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To know about something one needs to know the actual history of it. Can someone shed some light on ravidasi movement and it's historical significance? otherwise it is just a mob thing, driven by a single objective.
If anyone wants more info on Ravidassia and what exactly it is please PM me. The article I have explains everything about the movement; from origins to rituals.
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now sikh daram has been divided in many orgnisation like khalistanjindabad ,babar khalsa,many r like thm in whole world.why it s.every body knonws guru gobind singh ji starts only one taksal tht s"damdami taksal".why siks r not followng one taksal?it can break the power of sikh daram .because thy follow their own rules never accept damadmi taksal of 10th guru
All religions are prone to sectarian strife. It is human nature, but we can all work together if collaborate on the core of the message.
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Just because the Flipin Sant who got shot up was a Dalit so called don't mean he was innocent , stop trying to turn this into a Sikh Vs Dalit issue - this is what the media wants its about beadbi that took place and a guy got shot up simple as
In the same tone, if your logic applies, the rulers of the times didn't like many sikh gurus and gurus were brutally killed. Was it OK sarpanch ji?
Logic that held at that time holds now also. By your logic, they must have disrespected something then too...
Did Bhinderwale also disrespect something that he was ridden with bullets...? You call him Shahid and I have no issues with it but don't let your logic be limited at your discretion.
By shooting thse saints, these terrorists actually shot at GGS and all religious figures in it. One has to know about saints before commenting about them. These saints had brough GGS in their life.
Based on your comments, logic and prejudice, you people are now no different than Taliban or Aurangzeb or Jahangir...and world is realizing it very well now. People like you are really enhancing profile of sikhs worldwide.
The truth is you have a lot of theories about Sikhism which for the most part originate from uncerdible sources. Please elaborate what constitutes a Ravidassia. What are the rituals that are involved. What is the place of the SGGS. Please be honest with no Sikh Bashing. Create a new topic that informs Sikhs what exactly is Ravidassia. I have seen bits and pieces of Sant Ramanand and Dera Sachkhand's mission in your posts, but there is no clarity. It is likely that you will respond that we re insulting Ravidassia and we do not have a right to know. Please make it clear once and all what it means to be Ravidassia.
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Bhagat Ravidas Ji is respected as Bhagat and every Sikh who follows Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, calls him Bhagat rest is political propaganda on the basis of caste by Dalit community. They have no understanding of Bhagat Ravidas Ji's bani recorded in Sri Guru Granth Sahib to begin with. Bhagat Ravidas Ji preached "Begum –Pura" philosophy where there is no hate or propaganda and people were living in harmony and Dalit propaganda starts with hate hence against his views.
Yeah, I am sure you understand it all....
I am sure a few Sikhs do, but I know you have failed to understand the message of Guru Ravidas. THe offensive you have launched is your way of dealing with the loss of Sant Ramanand. Instead of spreading hate, preach love and brotherhood.
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Agreed - the hooligans are complete idiots there is nothing in Guru Nanak or Ravidass Ji's teachings to say riot & loot Punjab when someone is killed.
FYI - people do not want to be "low-caste" they are labelled with it, we, as low caste Sikhs have been discriminated against since Sri Guru Gobind Singh JI Maharaj left this world. If I had my way I wouldnt have a label I wouldnt be of Chamar background. The below is my answer to someone who asked me the same question as you have:
"" People from low castes who are Sikhs and have been for generations & generations are told that we are not real Sikhs because we are of Chamar or Dalit background.... But you have people saying they are Jat Sikh or Ramgarhia Sikh. Ravidassi Sikh is a beautiful reference, taking the name of Ravidass Ji Maharaj who was from a low family. Why should people like you say we are not Sikhs - why should we be Chamar Sikhs?? Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj's Hukam was for the Khalsa to be one regardless of caste - oppression is the reason why some low-caste people prefer to be Hindu, some Ravidassia & some like me who will always stay behind the Sikh banner regardless.""
...Waheguru...Waheguru...Waheguru...
using ravidassi sikh is casteist and in my opinion racist as well. Khalsa knows no creed and there is only one sikh guru in present times, it is guru granth sahib. khatris don't go around yelling gobinda sikh, do they? if one is pure, japs naam, is honest, treats everything equal then there is no discrimination against that person anywhere in sikhs. but certain people who are short on merit but want bigger role play the caste card to get to top. thats how the ravidassi movement was built and is taking a new shape under fake babas. and why are u not following guru gobind singhs hukam by not referring to yourself as Khalsa? did guru gobind singh coined the term ravidassi sikh? even Bhagat Ravidass would have no idea about racists using his name to gain economic advantage over a more deserving person using the short cut of caste. are you amrit chakk by the way?
apnepart2, you guys have to accept that Guru Gobind Singh or 10 gurus aren't the only gurus in this world. Also GGS is not a property of a particular religious group. Even the saints you call gurus today were called "fakes" by rulers or public of the their time. Guru Nanak was called "Kurahiya" i.e one who follows wrong path...Was he? They were people like you and me. Now look history has proved otherwise. Guru Gobind Singh was labelled terrorist by moghuls.. Was he?
You should have this much common sense to understand that guru gobind singh was not last guru on earth. He may be last for khalsas but not for others and he or any other sikh guru didn't prevent anybody from following GGS.
firstly it has not been proven that the KZF did this - only an email has been sent and anyone can knock up an email in 5 seconds and sign it Santa Claus it doesnt mean everyone should go beat him up or blame him when he is delivering presents.secondly brother i was also born in "chamar family" and my only links with this background were buying nike leather trainers and thats about it lol
there are reports that he did beadbi of Guru Granth Sahib, that he made inflammatory statements against Gurmat, that sikhs were beaten severely by his chelay and that he was shot in retaliation. the reality is we wont know exactly what took place for many months whilst investigations take place.
do you think in this day and age we have lots and lots of bhagats? or lots of fakes? this "guru" tells people dont take amrit and join khalsa, instead he gives naam himself which just happens to be same naam given by fake radhasoami gurus.
i decided to take amrit later and am amritdhari now. i follow Guru Granth Sahib Ji only. i couldnt follow a human especially a dehdhari guru. we both know this dehdhari guru was shot for a reason. if you carry around chelay armed with weapons & goondas/bodyguards you have them for a reason. the people who follow this guy have caused enough frictions in ravidassia bhawans across europe and india. this guy was not telling people to follow Guru Granth Sahib and was instead gathering chelay.
why should we wash his dirty feet? cant he run his own bath? i'm sorry but i'm sick of these people using our community and manipulating innocent people to pay them all their money and bow to him and wash his feet and wipe his backside. why didnt he just get a job like the rest of us? truth is no human is perfect - only Guru Granth Sahib and Bani is perfect. humans say & do stupid things and get shot - this is reality.
the only way out of this is to stop following these fake people and instead follow what Guru Granth Sahib teaches, then we will find the answers to our questions. until then we will run around in circles following this human or that human who has no answers or doesnt even have a clue what he is doing in life.
You are not the one you are purporting to be. Shame on you. You are not chamar or amritdhari.
Honestly the Sikh notion and Hindu Notion of Guru are highly apart. Since you deny the Guruship of the 10 Sikh Gurus, why are u following the scripture that they penned on command from God? The SGGS belongs to those who follow it and give respect to the Gurus . Ravidassia beliefs do not seem to be defined and seem to take Hindu or Sanatan stands on the scripture. The false truths you attempt to assert are not found in the scripture, but come from other peoples such as Dera Sachkhand Sants. In one of the other posts u said that Gurdwara attendants teach lies. Those people didnt teach me a thing, all my knowledge comes from academic sources, that are well reputed outside Punjab. The statements you make may not have any historical backing. If our management is corrupt the same is possible for Ravidassia Gurdwara management. Investigate your own sources before citing them. If you need a bibliography I will gladly appoint it.
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WATCH YOUR MOUTH YOU FAKE DON'T YOU DARE TALK RUBBISH ABOUT OUR 5TH GURU IM REPORTING YOU
Could you elaborate what did you make this comment about...?
Please quote the message you are commenting about...?
Please say who are you reporting and about what....?
(Based on my assumption what you are upset about... below are my general comments)
5th Guru Gur Arjan Dev Ji, the compiler of GGS was one of the most prominent saints in GGS and his teachings are most simple in language to understand. I don't think so I would have said anything untoward about him. How could I when I respect him..? But the point to be made is that Saints (like the ones sikh terrorists killed recently) in any age are always persecuted. People don't like their message of peace and love. Jahangir in the time of Guru Arjan dev wanted to stop the message that Guru Arjun dev was spreading and had vowed to shut this "Jhoot Ki Dukkan". This is what he used to call guru's message. As you and I know what is the truth now. Jahangir and many others are gone while Guru Arjun Dev still lives on. Sant Rama Nand was one of the most scholarly about Guru Arjan Dev Ji's bani.
So rather than getting all wound up about trivial issues, try to get the point through your head and not deviate from discussion. Saints, pirs, fakirs have not stopped coming to this world.
The terminology u used was derogatory and offensive. The hate you have for people is no different than the Khalistanis. If you instead reach with love and care, you can bring an end to such systems. Otherwise you are only reinforcing the status quo.
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A big issue is coming up of copy of durbar shaib in sangrur. But in vellore in karnatka temple with same desigh is being built in it was in news in 2005 apart from it samples of plants of dukhbhanji ber and other places were taken and sent to reasearch labourities it was found that it had healing powers this was done by hindu scientists in 2004 as per hindustan times reports although i do not have such old reports. Even samples of water of the sarovar was taken sent for reasearch with the knowldge of SGPC these thieves were given siropas and sri shaib by the SGPC. It is bad on part of mastuana committee to do such a thing the sikhs should resolve this issuse with consultations but sikhs shold take strong action if any nonsikh more beadbi. Apart from these in 2003-6 shivala bhiya temple in amritsar got same design which had reputation of antisikh activities and badal family donated gold forit. In another temple in jalandhar same design is being copied. Question is should sikhs demolish these strutures and punish badal and co for encouraging it.
There just ruins without true devotion inside. I would not boil your blood over it.
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omg, thats really crossing the line!
Thats really funny........
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whats the best way to reply to this, cause i had a debate at work and im getting <Edited> off at describing how sikhism wasn't influenced by islam
Guru Nanak was definitely born into a time when Islam was strong, but the story that best demonstrates his rejection of Islam when he was invited to prayer by Sultanpur Lodhi. LOdhi and the Qazi began to do all the rituals, and Guru Nanak just stood there. At the end they began quizzing Guru Nanak, he just laughed and replied that they were lost in thoughts about life and were just practicing empty ritual. Guru Nanak just laughed at their foolishness. Another famous story to rejecting the Islamic influence is where Mecca moved all over because of Guru Nanak's feet. Baba Farid's descendant Shaikh Brahm, the one gave Guru Nanak Baba Farid's hymns was a devout follower of Guru Nanak. His devotion to Guru Nanak was unmatched. The hymns represent a theme that the divine spark is not limited to one religion. If Baba Farid's hymns are important Muslims why have they lost the ability to recite them. Pak Pattan the holy place of Baba Farid, the hymns are not sung at all. Only Sikhs have retained the ability to recite them. A Scripture is what makes a community and it speaks the beliefs. The 99th page of Sri Dasam Granth Ji states
ਮਹਾਦੀਨ ਕੇਤੇ ਪ੍ਰਿਥੀ ਮਾਂਝ ਹੂਏ ॥ ਸਮੈ ਆਪਨੀ ਆਪਨੀ ਅੰਤ ਮੂਏ ॥੨੭॥
महादीन केते प्रिथी मांझ हूए ॥ समै आपनी आपनी अंत मूए ॥२७॥
Many Muhammads had been on the earth. They were born and then died in their own times. 27.
ਜਿਤੇ ਅਉਲੀਆ ਅੰਬੀਆ ਹੋਇ ਬੀਤੇ ॥ ਤਿਤਿਓ ਕਾਲ ਜੀਤਾ ਨ ਤੇ ਕਾਲ ਜੀਤੇ ॥
जिते अउलीआ अमबीआ होइ बीते ॥ तितिओ काल जीता न ते काल जीते ॥
All the Prophets and saints of the past were conquered by Death (KAL), but none could conquer it (him).
Islam is "strict monotheism" from what the say, but it can also be called a cult of the prophet. The Shahada the statement of faith includes Muhammad at the end. A strict rejection of the divinity of the prophet is a clear rejection of Islamic orthodoxy.
Best,
kuthaman
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HAVE BEEN SENT THE FOLLOWING LINK:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVOBpXFAdiI
ASSUME IT IS RELATED?
REACH YOUR OWN CONCLUSION - SIMRANJIT SINGH MANN MAKES AN APPEARANCE AT AROUND 3:50 SEC
The Truth is that the Gold was laid by Maharaja Ranjit Singh in the 1800's. The true Darbar Sahib, built by the Gurus was not plated in Gold. I really think it is odd they are building it in Amritsar. There must be a way we can file a court in junction to stop the construction. its an insult our Gurus and Sikhs from the past that have died fighting for it.
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Time To Educate Parents And Youth And Stop Conversions
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Through Studying religion as my major I have picked up a lot on different faiths. I will do my best to help. Just post the questions