jasleen k

sakhee milahu ras ma(n)gal gaavahu ham ghar saajan aaeiaa ||2||So join with me, my sisters, and sing the songs of joy and delight; my friends have come into my home.

this is for my sisters who rock the dastaar everyday, at home, at school, at work, and at play.

this is for my sisters who defied their family and offered their heads to their Guru. you know the difference between temporary attachment and true love.

this is for my sisters who's kirpans have tasted the blood of the enemies of humanity. i can never find the words to thank you enough.

this is for my sisters who choose not to look like a hollywood/bollywood starlet, who are happy and beautiful with their hairy legs, their untrimmed hair, and their eyebrows just as God made them. you are the essence of beauty and grace.

this is for my sisters who struggle to get their children ready each day, combing through their tears, braiding their hair, tying their patkas, and never once thinking of taking the easy road. you keep the future of Sikhi alive.

this is for my sisters who are teachers, bringing the next generation up with love, courage, honesty, and integrity. you inspire me as much as you inspire them.

this is for my sisters who nurse the sick. your compassion brings a smile to my face every time i think of you.

this is for my sisters who see seva as a normal part of every day life, not as something they have to do. you make the world a better place for everyone around you.

this is for my younger sisters who have it so together... it's me who looks up to you!

this is for my older sisters who command my respect with every drop of wisdom that comes from their lips. i sit at your feet.

this is for my sisters who stood up for themselves and married for Sikhi rather than for caste, race, or social standing. you are changing the world.

this is for my sisters who wear a kadha instead of jewelry, kachhera instead of mini skirts, a kanga instead of a bindi, a kirpan instead of a designer purse, and a dastaar instead of a fashion hair style. you are the very image of Guru ji!

this is for my sisters who stand up for themselves, who speak their minds, who make people listen, who make people think twice, who make people angry, who keep their cool, and who turn heads in wonder and respect wherever they go. you are my role models.

this is for my sisters. my kaurs. my singhnia. my bibian. my bhenay. i look up to you. i learn from you. i am inspired by you. you have my attention. you have my respect. you have my love.

thank you.

jinee sakha(n)aee ka(n)th pashhaaniaa ho thin kai laago paae ||I touch the feet of my sister soul-brides who have known their Husband Lord.

thin hee jaisee thhee rehaa sathasa(n)gath mael milaae ||1||If only I could be like them! Joining the Sat Sangat, the True Congregation, I am united in His Union. ||1||

http://evoking-jasleen.blogspot.com/2008/09/r-e-s-p-e-c-t.html

After chakking amrit 2 years ago, I stopped celebrating my Birthday. I really dont feel I have done anything great getting born on this earth, lol so what to celebrate for ?

Anyways my mum wants to do a bit of celebration tomorrow? Shud I do a bit of candle and cake thing ??

I will be 13 years old tomorrow, lol

so how was the cake?

no offense, but posting to the whole group to say how you're too religious to celebrate your birthday because you received amrit sounds kind of, i don't know, egotistical?

you only have one mom. is it really so hard to say "yes" to a slice of cake from mom? does it really require the input of the entire e-sangat?

or is it an excuse to show how strict and religious you are.

there's nothing in gurbani against birthdays. as far as i know there's nothing in any of the most commonly accepted maryadas against it either, at least not that i have read.

so did you give in to your mom or did you take the high road and explain that you're too good to eat cake with her?

seriously, what a messed up question.

and yes, i honestly thought you were 13. the post made more sense that way.

Bana is not to be worn to say im holyer than thou, Bana is worn because it means you belong to the Guru and no on else, sikhs are different therefore they must dress different so people know who you are and can come to you for help. Guru Gobind Singh has given the Hukum that you wear Bana so you can follow the Guru or you can follow yourself up to you. Religion is all about identity, anyone can prayer and it belongs to the universe, but if you are of sikh dharma then you should identify yourself openly as a sikh of the Guru.

you don't think the dastaar/dumalla makes us stand out?

where is this Hukam written?

sikh "dharma"? more 3HO talk?

WJKK WJKF

I am married for nearly seven years, last month I had Amrit. Now the problem is that my wife isn't Amritdhari and she doesn't want to be. How does this affect our marriage? Does that mean that we will be sleeping in different beds? Please advise.

--Singh

agreed that you should ask panj piyare... we can't answer that for you.

HOWEVER... i know quite a few people who have one amritdhari parent and one not (usually it's the wife though).

my mother in law is amritdhari and my father in law is not. the main issue they have is that she doesn't want to cook meat anymore, while he wants to eat it.

just curious, but didn't you discuss this or think it over before hand? it seems kind of "too late" to start worrying about the side effects, right?

i know it sounds blunt and i'm sorry. i mean no offense, i just don't know how to say things in a polite way. (i'm trying to learn, i swear!)

You'll find "Sikh" girls who like cleanshaven haircut guys.

You'll find "Amritdhari Sikh" girls who like guys who wear dumala.

Now tell me, where will you find a SIKH girl who likes this -->> :3singh3:

when i married my husband he wore that kind of turban and a tied beard, and i wore a bandanna over my hair. we have evolved together. for every person there is a correct match. Waheguru will find them for you (or find you for them!).

to the thread starter... i think that was supposed to be a joke. i don't think Singhnia only like guys with dumalla (at least not in the US... maybe in the UK things are different. )

and for the guru pyaree saadh sangat whos saying its just a colour? if its just a colour is it ok to wear red and green also then?

end of the day if the panj pyaare gave you rehit of wearing black, blue, white or orange then that is obviously parvaan and you dont need to keep rehit of not wearing black dumaala or banaa..

what ever paanj pyaare say is sat bachaan..

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

yep, it's ok to wear red and green according to the panthic rehat maryada. if your panj at your sampard/jatha told you different, that's fine, don't wear them.

but please don't try to enforce your sect's maryada across the panth. thanks.

i think i'll buy red kapda tomorrow.

Dwqu imlY Puin Dwqu kau isPqI isPiq smwie ]

dhhaath milai fun dhhaath ko sifathee sifath samaae ||

As metal merges with metal, those who chant the Praises of the Lord are absorbed into the Praiseworthy Lord.

lwlu gulwlu ghbrw scw rMgu cVwau ]

laal gulaal gehabaraa sachaa ra(n)g charraao ||

Like the poppies, they are dyed in the deep crimson color of Truthfulness.

scu imlY sMqoKIAw hir jip eykY Bwie ]1]

sach milai sa(n)thokheeaa har jap eaekai bhaae ||1||

Those contented souls who meditate on the Lord with single-minded love, meet the True Lord. ||1||

i believe that all the colors are the same and equal.

And although the punj payre say do not wear the redish and green colors - i was told they say this beacuse those colors are known to be mulsim and hindu colors, and it is a part of the ceremony for them to say that beacuse in that time sikhs were on their way to becoming and establishing their own major world religion.

at least, thats what i think.

i think that's kind of a sketchy attitude... defying your panj piyare because you heard a story... sorry, i wouldn't do it. while i personally think any colour is ok, if your panj say don't wear them, then don't.

but if they go according to panthic rehat maryada, then they won't say anything at all about colours.

it's just a colour. why be weird about it?

some people say black is a colour of humility, which is why raagis usually wear black dastaars.

blue is the colour of warriors (or muslim pirs in the old days).

white represents death (of ego?)

keseri means you're ready for shaheed, but is also associated with sadhus.

but i don't think this is "maryada", it's just notes people have assigned to colours.

i have a pink dumalla. i think it suits me.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa

Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

I was searching for Nitnem baanis in Kirtan style, I found one for Japji Sahib, couldn't find for Jaap Sahib.

Here is the link for Japji Sahib http://sikhsangeet.com/albumid821-Surinder...Da-Keertan.html

Can anyone help me find something on internet.

regards

amritpal singh

jaap sahib:

http://www.mrsikhnet.com/mp3player/western...aap%20sahib.mp3

also, a bit less traditional:

http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/audio/Praye...aap%20Sahib.zip

another musical japji sahib:

http://www.mrsikhnet.com/videos/mp3/chardi...0ji%20sahib.mp3

please let me know if you find a good FULL kirtan version of Anand Sahib, it seems most people only record the first five + last paurees.

maybe everyone could post their favorite kirtan style nitnem banis in this thread.

prolly more then that jasleen, never trust indian media!

you speak the truth, veerji!

"armed with sticks and stones"? :gg:

i thought there were SIKHS there?

Most the books that have stories in them are in Punjabi, i can't find much Sikh history in english, except on the internet, but all that stuff is about 1984. The only classes in my local gurdwaras that teach sikhism is only for children under 16. I did go once, but i didn't feel comfortable sitting wih lots of little children, not that theres anything wrong with that, but then we can't discuss more mature issues.

Sau Suwal (100 questions) is a GREAT book on Sikhi basics. i have been reading one question and answer before bed for a couple months and i've learned a LOT. it's a short book you could sit and read it all in one go if you want.

http://www.sikhgifts.com/Pages/ShowProduct...hp?pID=MTg4OQ==

this shop has a ton of books on sikhi, sikh culture, punjabi culture, and history.

http://www.sikhgifts.com/Pages/ShowProducts.php?cID=NTk1

Patwant Singh's "The Sikhs" is a fantastic book that covers basics and in depth history and culture of Sikhi.

http://www.amazon.com/Sikhs-Patwant-Singh/dp/0385502060

pretty much anything by Patwant Singh is great.

for translations, look for Surinder Singh Kohli- i have his translation of Dasam Granth Sahib and it's really well done, and easy to read.

the most accurate modern translation of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is from Dr. Sant Singh Khalsa, so check for his translations as well.

www. srigranth.org will allow you to do an online sehej paath, if you're interested in reading Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji in completion (something every Sikh should do).

let me know if you have any specific areas of sikhi you want to read about, i have a ton of books to recommend.

I dont do nothing to any turbans but wash them.

I never cut or ruin my turbans integrity or solidity.

Just fold it up and wrap, instructions of how to cut to me sounds silly but what ever floats your boat {[:-)>

veerji, how do you think the turban seller gets the right length kapda for you? he cuts it! cutting it to the proper size is completely logical and does not ruin the "integrity" or "solidity" of your dastaar in any way. we all wear our dastaars according to what suits us. for a dumalla, the thinner width of kapda is necessary to get the right shape.

where do you by your kapda? if you bought "dumalla material", it may have already been cut to the proper width before you even bought it.

to the original poster: there is nothing at all wrong with cutting the kapda to the right size. how else will you tie it?

bo back a few pages bhenji, and read the dumalle de salok

a lot of emphasis on being shastardhari, and keeping bana, etc

sorry, my punjabi isn't very good. care to translate it?

how does it describe bana?

When i went to the Golden temple last year, it was so crowded and people were pushing to get through. There was no order there, except in the que for disabled. But it wasn't as bad as the muslims and hindu places of worship, but still i would of thought it better. As for that room in the video, the one where not many people were sitting, well i didn't even know it was there. I couldn't even tell where i was going because of too many people. But it's probably best just to go early in the morning.

harjeet veerji, what you are describing is called INDIA. it's a bit different than the comforts and orderliness of our western homes.

but you are correct, at amrit vela, it's less crowded and the feeling one gets simply being there is completely divine.

it is a Hukum to wear Bana as part of rehat, so why not follow the Guru....

please show the source of this? show the text of this hukam so that moorakhs like myself may better understand what Guru ji expects of us.

please show the written description of the bana that women are expected to wear.

also, you never responded to the question of shoes. who's shoes do you wear? or do you go barefoot to work each day?

Sri Singh Sahib Yogi Harbhajan Khalsa - 'religion is here to test our egos, I think that most sikhs dont want to wear bana because they want to set themselves amongst the commoners, they dont want people to identify themselves as Sikhs of the Guru, those who are blessed with Sikh Dharma and dont want to share it with others, we dont need you and you dont need us, get out!, clear it out!

ok jasleen kaur, you can wear your bosses tie at work because you belong to your boss, ill wear the Gurus Bana because i belong to the Guru.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.

if my "bosses tie" is a salwar suit and dumalla, i guess my boss must be pretty cool.

what's your obsession with yogi bhajan, anyway? do you have some agenda here?

I've heard the fat found in avocados is really good for prostate.

the fat in avocados will lower your cholesterol for sure. some people say it can prevent certain cancers. it's definitely very good for your skin and hair. plus it tastes so yummmmy.

one thing i constantly hear from sikh youth is that they don't understand gurbani, they don't understand the katha, they don't understand things from their parent's generation or culture.

in my opinion, what we need in the west is young gursikhs who do katha in english. help the youth understand gurbani, understand sikh history. kind of a bridge across the culture gap.

the music "immortal productions" is putting out is a great example of how to reach out to sikh youth in a way they understand.

we just need a LOT more of it!

maybe everyone here should make a pledge to explain at least one significant historical event or religious concept to at least one youth. we'll go from there.

anyone with me?

might there have been some ancient couple called adam and eve? sure, why not.

were they the origin of all mankind? i seriously doubt it.

as was said before, Guru ji didn't mention any such thing. if it were relevant, i think he would have talked about it.

this sect was found by Baba sri chand ji.......er.......udasi...meaning they traveled....coz an udasi is a journey jus as Guru Nanak Dev Ji had gone on 4 udasi;s

i don't think udasi means they traveled. i think udasi means detached. udas is detachment from the world. basically the opposite of a householder.

bump...

.... come on khalsa ji, we need more info about this topic. theres gotta be somebody on here who knows more about them...

what kind of info are you looking for?

they don't have families or jobs. they don't take amrit or wear panj kakkars. they don't feel the need to honor Guru ji's hukam to keep uncut hair (though some do). they follow the path chosen by Siri Chand... the path that made Guru Nanak Dev ji skip over his own son when choosing the second Guru.

they consider Guru Nanak Dev ji to be an avatar of Vishnu. and they think Siri Chand was an avatar of Shiva. they mix hindu mythology with Sikh philosophy, and like most so-called "sanatan sikhs", they do not see a clear boundry between Sikhi and Hinduism.

they're absolutely not part of the Khalsa panth, and i personally don't see them as Sikhs, though "sanatan" sikhs consider them to be Sikhs.

do you have any specific questions? a google search will give you basic info... check www.udasi.org for their story. the nang site "<banned site filter activated>" will also have info on them, but i don't know how reliable it is.

i'm sure dhanna the jatt (or whatever his new name is) will now jump in and tell me what an idi0t i am, so please forgive me for any disruption that may cause.

Chaupai Sahib Jaap (Kaurs United)

http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=qXHdOag9cK0&...feature=related

http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=s5jCFMvxO-c

thats wikd :wub:

but cnt find da audio to that :umm:

kaurs united ROCKS! :D

http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=1fFLOSrc3EA

sorry, i didn't realize dhanna the jatt had changed his name.

nevermind veer, i know it's absolutely pointless to discuss anything with a "snatan" sikh.

What about those sikhs that don't follow a faith? Would a muslim follower of Guru Nanak be denied the right to be called a sikh? Did Gurus jis want people to deny their background to become their followers?

May I call Mardana and his descendents as muslim sikhs, or is this politicall incorrect? I do not follow the same notion and post-colonial construct of faith and religion as you.

So by calling myself jatt sikh, I am projecting myself as superior/inferior please explain how?

What if i said by calling yourself american sikh you are projecting yourself as inferior/superior?

How about if I called american a caste, do u like that? ))))

Do you see native american tribes such as sioux and aztecs as castes, or only north indian tribes such as jatts?

Does Guru Ji say it is important for a follower to call him/herself "sikh"? Are the terms disciple/follower/chella/murid/shishya valid?

someone who does not follow any faith is not a sikh. sikhism is a faith, followers of sikhism are called sikhs.

followers of islam are called muslims. one cannot follow islam and sikhism at the same time as there are many contradictions between the two, so no, one cannot be a muslim sikh. followers of Guru Nanak Dev ji were sikhs. the fact that they were born to another faith has nothing to do with it. one makes a conscious decision to follow Sikhi, we are not "born" into it like hindus.

no, "american" cannot be a caste, it denotes place of origin or residency. when you get your "jattistan", then jatt sikh will be acceptable as a regional moniker. until then, it's just a lable some sikhs like to use to make themselves feel superior, based on the obsurd british notion of "martial race". you do know that the britts just cooked up that term so they could keep dividing and conquering india, right?

the term sikh (or the sanskrit shishya) indicates a specific teacher/student relationship. we are not only students, we are students of our Guru. that is understood through the term sikh. it's also used frequently in Gurbani. if you prefer to be called "chella", i can accomodate that. if you're not ready to be called a Sikh, i understand, it's a huge and life changing decision.

i hope this helps clarify things for you.