HSD*^

you want a scientific answer? here's your scientific answer

anatomically our teeth including our molars are similar to those of horses, now do horses rip a cows ... apart and eat it up or do they graze on grass, carrots ie plants/vegetables,

similarly we arent designed to be carnivores nor omnivores only herbivores...dont believe me? look at your teeth and if they dont resemble a horses more than say a cheetahs then maybe you need to pay a visit to the orthodontist and consider braces.

pce

if this is the level of scientific understanding in the panth today then i'm just not going to bother anymore. and no, no one asked for a scientific answer.

who cares what religion they were? they're all hindustanis, so just teach 'em a lesson.

You know what, I read your post earlier today, but had a few things to do so I thought I'd reply later, but really, as I should have seen earlier, your successive posts have shown you to be a completely arrogant puck, so I don't see why I even should engage any further with you.

You accuse me of slander, yet in your very first post you begin by labelling me a fundamentalist, a bugger, and then insecure, stupid, an <banned word filter activated>, an asswhistle and thick. And I'm the slanderer? I'm trying to imagine someone like you operating in real life as it is quite clear from your language and attitude you have some serious people problems :rolleyes:

Goodbye hunnybuns

slander is when you say something untrue about someone.........which i didnt do. and lol, nice try at being a psychiatrist. shame it isnt true though, otherwise i might have thought you had some intelligence behind your logic and conclusions. oh well. toodle-do sweetheart! :happy:

GOd built our hands so we could plant, and pull vegetables, not so we can kill creatures. Civil man still follows this vegetarian diet, while the beast still likes to eat like animals.

what!?! so now your saying Guru ji doesnt like tractors and wants us to use our hands?!?!?! dont tell the pendus or we'll have more riots in the punjab.

I for one am glad that many of the Sikh relics came into the hands of the British, at least they have looked after them and preserved them for our and future generations. The state of the majority of relics (and the security surrounding them) in Punjab is beyond a joke. we caouldn't even preserve our architecture (our biggest relic) let alone anything else. Numerous birs and ithihaasik granths are diminishing or have been stolen, old saaj have virtually be neglected to extinction (just 1 or 2 sorry examples left), many shastar have been replaced with equivalents i.e. the tiny kataari that supposedly belonged to the physically huge 6th Master... etc etc. The Sikh exhibition at V&A a few years ago was amazing - the condition of the relics was immaculate - making them a pleasure to behold - and them having the ability to transport us back in time due to their immaculate state.

yeah i'm also glad the british travelled all that way just to kill tens of thousands of our ancestors and make others have control of the panth's destiny. :rolleyes:

before the first anglo-sikh war, a british commandeer (Harding, if i remember correctly), said: 'if we seperate the sikhs from their guru, they will be easily beaten and forever in our control'. now that phrase is as true today as it was back then. by keeping us away from our heritage, they are keeping us from our Guru ji. but at the same time, if they give the stuff back, what is to say they havent changed it? god knows what they would have done to the Sau Sakhi. most of our problems stem from our loss to the british and our subsequent division into factions and then dispersing around the world. unfortunately we are in a similar state to how the jews where after the roman empire blasted their Judea into oblivion (though the armies of the khalsa raj were a lot better at fighting the british than the jews were at fighting the romans). some people even compare what Sant Bhindranwale ji did to what jesus tried (the real story of jesus, not the biblical nonsense). we face dark days and we are in danger of changing beyond recognition. some fools think sikhi will never change...my response is that if our enemies wish to, they can make us believe any lie.

having said that, as we are not in control of our own country, we arent able to do anything. one idea is some kind of international sikh musuem (near the un building in new york, or in a cheaper location near new york?) where we store these artifacts and create some kind of taksal to study our heritage, and find means of recovering the rest of the stuff these ******** stole off us.

Actually Singhstah 'Fundamentalist" nowaday means - 'One who follows Guru Ji's Rehat"

No it doesnt. please show me where in gurbani it states that having an opinion and twisting worldly facts or using biased sources as reasons for it is the right thing to do.

if not eating meat is part of Guru ji's rehat, then why are people like singstah creating threads like this? surely the fact that its part of Guru ji's rehat is justification enough, and doesnt need little 'pious' pets to try and give evidence for it. i think trying to justify Guru Ji with our own thoughts and ideas is beadbi - especially if the person doing it is a bit thick as they are trying to tarnish our Guru ji with their stupidity.

WE can argue scientificially all day whether meat is wrong or right. But the fact of the matter is humans are a love machine. There is no love in killing creating pain and taking advantage of a creatures consciousness in order to fulfill our personal desires.

Humans are suppose to be the creature that eradicates all negative karma. We are suppose to be the ultimate compassion showing machine. Humans have the highest potential to share and to be be compassionate. And the most loving creature out of all animalia kingdom. One of the first basic steps of showing more compassion. Is to respect the animals and its offspring. What a great relationship we could form with the animals, if they were not in fear of humans, Who have now been labelled. "top predator, top of the food chain etc" But if you look at a human, do we look like killing machines? pathetic flesh and bone creature, not designed for hate, and brutal force. But we can still do it? We should not cut our hair, but we can still do it. Humans are designed to be the ultimate selfless creatures, who shares their wealth, energy and spreads love and fights for justice, we are not destroyers. To destroy we need tools. To share and love we need nothing but ourselves. We do things that we shouldn't. In the name of this injustice love and selflessness is lost and we become like animals. Its no wonder why then we would think, its ok to eat meat.

Even taking plant life is making negative karma. Although there is less karma involved, as the affects aren't as adverse. Even breathing the air, we are killing the micro organisms, the fact we are on this Earth is a burden in it self. We have to sin. Because thats the beauty of it, only God is free from good and bad karma. Thats why he wants us to join him.

the animals are our cousins, how can we eat our own cousins? Tell me where is the love in this? We are from the same source-spiritually and physicially.

but what about the musis, hindustanis and BNP? how will we deal with them then? will it involve using this new weapon you mentioned, the 'love machine'? :|

and their handler was a complete *******. 'leave your phone on', he said, so he could hear the fighting. what a loser.

yeah i'm watching it on ch4+1 and it just gets more harrowing. what are they trying to achieve? for every act like this they make the rest of us less likely to understand what they fight for. what a waste of life.

those terrorists were complete scum. that kid at the beginning lost half his family at the railway station, and then it turns out he was muslim just like the terrorists! punjabi musis are complete nutjobs. what the hell is wrong with them? i hope none of them get any ideas and try to do the same in britain.

oh lol, i see what you did there. the admin cut the quote, and then you respond. what an asswhistle.

Define 'fundamentalist', and tell me how I fit into this category.

someone who has a set of beliefs and uses any piece of rubbish evidence to support it. at the same time they ignore any evidence (no matter how good) that contradicts their beliefs.

You are talking rubbish now, natural dietary habits are quite different to swimming. Quite simply show me who can hunt, kill and make fit for consumption an animal WITHOUT the use of any equipment, materials other than your own body. On the other hand, humans can quite easily swim with just their bodies. And in regards to your 'example' of the battle of Sobran, its nothing more than an emotive means to cover up your lack of argument, not even worth a response.

lack of argument? the fact you quoted a piece of junk science shows your level of scientific understanding. tell me, can you make clothes with just your hands? no? so we are meant to walk around naked now? get a brain.

Same as above.

as far as i know its impossible for humans to fly without using materials or equipment that are not part of the human body. so well done for just contradicting yourself so quickly.

Why did God make any animals? It seems here like you thought making two points (which were basically the same one repeated in a different manner), would make your post too short so you needed a third and came up with something completely irrelevent to the matter at hand.

lol, well done for not answering the question. your logic is so retarded my stomach hurts from laughing. i thought my post was "too short"! lol. this isnt infant school mate, where writing 'more' than anyone else indicates some kind of intelligence. its called quality over quantity.

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lol you are clueless. you should give hardeep singh kohli a run for his money. you actually make me laugh.

Thanks for looking into my mind and letting me know why I started this thread, I had no idea why i was doing it. Will you be my psychiatrist?rolleyes.gif

dont worry, your not the only one i've seen act like an id1ot. but admitting is the first step to recovery, so its good you've started on the path to recovery.

Wow, how seriously you underestimate Guru Nanak Dev Ji Nirankar is unbelievable.

oh no i did beadbi!!!! oh no an internet kid is going to moan at me!!!

seriously, how is that an underestimate? do you want me to call guru nanak ji the half son of god or the prophet instead? or is that even not good enough? your just another ukguptkaur using the slander card as my posts crushed your argument.

choos leh

and what a rubbish response it was. you didnt manage to give any points against my science quote (too clever for you, eh?) and you did not respond to every part of my posts. now run along, your way out of your league boy.

the whole world?!?!?!? the whole bloody world?!?!?!?!?!? is that it?!?!?! in an existence that consists of planets upon planets, solar sytem after solar system, galaxy upon galaxy, (and possibly universes upon universes) i think the khalsa will eventually rule all mortal existence. and true gursikhs will be part of the immortal! right, now i'm off to build a star destroyer. :cool:

Inder singh, tell me if this comment is not an insult against the HIGHEST authority

"some id1ots say the SGGS ji is all they need in life......... i imagine most of that life will be spent inside a bedroom then.""

You are going on about dasam granth and SPN BUT right in front of you some BRAT has just INSULTED Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee.

What are you GOING to do about THIS?

brat? lol, you are so funny. no one else on here is going on about what i said as they understand what i meant, but you're so stupid you keep chasing it like a dog after a stick. lol keep chasing.

explain what? my comment isnt exactly worthy of its own encyclopedia page, just a little sense or intelligence is needed to actually grasp what it means. unless of course you have spent most of your life locked up in a bedroom or basement, in which case i can completely understand why you are embarrassing yourself by asking stupid questions. its is pretty funny how you misinterpreted it in your posts earlier and made yourself look like a complete lunatic. well done.

when are you going to stop threatening me and start explaining?

FYI your comment: "some id1ots say the SGGS ji is all they need in life......... i imagine most of that life will be spent inside a bedroom then."

I am waiting HSD. Please explain your slanderous comment about Sri Guru Granth sahib jee and those who have total faith in Gurbani.

Inder singh - STOP being a BULLY.

Gur maneo Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee ...according to ALL the Gurus.

NOT Guru maneo dasam granth..

still waiting eh? not surprised, time must pass like an eternity when your locked in your bedroom/basement.

on a side note, have you ever seen a winged angel of death club someone's face in?

explain what? my comment isnt exactly worthy of its own encyclopedia page, just a little sense or intelligence is needed to actually grasp what it means. unless of course you have spent most of your life locked up in a bedroom or basement, in which case i can completely understand why you are embarrassing yourself by asking stupid questions. its is pretty funny how you misinterpreted it in your posts earlier and made yourself look like a complete lunatic. well done.

when are you going to stop threatening me and start explaining?

FYI your comment: "some id1ots say the SGGS ji is all they need in life......... i imagine most of that life will be spent inside a bedroom then."

show me where i threatened you.

Inder singh - STOP being a BULLY.

Its NOT being a BULLY bhenji, THIS is called DISCUSSION, something we NEED to have VERY much in our Panth. Do YOU understand?

Sorry bhene I can't stop enjoying this :lol:

have you noticed that i am following the uppercase trend.

Inder singh is not only a BULLY. he is a BRAT too.

There are several brats in this tread who so far have threatened me with slapping, BURNING ME, throwing off a cliff .....

I call them male chauvanist BULLIES!!

where did anyone threaten to throw you off a cliff?

explain what? my comment isnt exactly worthy of its own encyclopedia page, just a little sense or intelligence is needed to actually grasp what it means. unless of course you have spent most of your life locked up in a bedroom or basement, in which case i can completely understand why you are embarrassing yourself by asking stupid questions. its is pretty funny how you misinterpreted it in your posts earlier and made yourself look like a complete lunatic. well done.

Goodbye England, goodbye.

i heard argentina is a great place to be at this time of year.

This is an important issue. There are many half Sikh children, we need to make them part of the panth.

That's only if they choose to be, you can't force them to and no one should be forced either.

The only reason they wouldn't want to be Sikhs is if the Sikhs they meet act like 1diots.

lol, we cant please everyone. there is no such thing as 'the only reason' in this: some people just dont like sikhi, and its pretty naive to think that anyone can be converted.

some id1ots say the SGGS ji is all they need in life......... i imagine most of that life will be spent inside a bedroom then.

Please explain yourself.

a right little madam arent you? if you're looking for an explanation, its off the edge of your nearest cliff. no one else is stupid enough to not understand what i meant. trying to make out i slandered Guru ji wont work.

Your reply still does not explain your comment: "some id1ots say the SGGS ji is all they need in life......... i imagine most of that life will be spent inside a bedroom then."

if you cannot understand a simple comment like that then i am not surprised you draw the wrong conclusions about other things. also my comment was a lot longer than what you quoted, so maybe you should read the whole thing a few times and it might get through your skull.

some id1ots say the SGGS ji is all they need in life......... i imagine most of that life will be spent inside a bedroom then.

Please explain yourself.

a right little madam arent you? if you're looking for an explanation, its off the edge of your nearest cliff. no one else is stupid enough to not understand what i meant. trying to make out i slandered Guru ji wont work.

i was told these guys were basically "The Holy Smokes and Tooti-Nungs: The Next Generation". they had a wide following and links to most sikh communities, as well as other links to non-sikh communities. the thing about SP is that they had a lot of old people in control, the ones who were in groups that fought the skinheads when they came over. after the slough raid, and as the police got more heavyhanded with the sikhs, it seemed that the elders where getting annoyed that the youth were becoming more unrestricted, violent and harder to control. this led to the group just dissolving itself. some parts carried on, but with reduced effectiveness, others turned to crime. those who could, got jobs or went back to education.

on a side note, back in 2003 or so there were rumours that the old leadership had had enough of what was happening to the community and were going to reassemble the organisation.

veeerehh!

SLOUGH!

simply beacuse, biggest trading estate in europe...

also stuff happens loads, and we need more gursikhs down!!! soo sloughh!!!

lots of socia and religious stuff!

he said less crime!!!! lol.

some id1ots say the SGGS ji is all they need in life......... i imagine most of that life will be spent inside a bedroom then.

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Even Guru Gobind Singh Jee stated that Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee is our only and final Guru. This means that not only you are calling us id1ots but also calling Guru jee the same!!

Have you even done vichaar on Gurbani? If you have then you will not have made the bedroom statement.

if i wanted to call Guru ji an id1ot, i would have. but i didnt. now dont go putting words into people's mouths, just because you're too dumb to understand what they say.

Yes you did. here is your statement again "some id1ots say the SGGS ji is all they need in life..."

so are you telling me that you have never ever learned anything from books or other sources of information? are you also saying that the SGGS ji is the only thing you ever learnt from?

and once again i'll ask you politely to stop twisting my words. when i was referring to id1ots i meant you, not Guru ji.

some id1ots say the SGGS ji is all they need in life......... i imagine most of that life will be spent inside a bedroom then.

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Even Guru Gobind Singh Jee stated that Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee is our only and final Guru. This means that not only you are calling us id1ots but also calling Guru jee the same!!

Have you even done vichaar on Gurbani? If you have then you will not have made the bedroom statement.

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also, maybe you should look at what gurbani says with regards to your life - i.e. that if you dont have a life, you are no better than a hindu holy man wandering in the mountains. how can you practice or even understand our guru's message if you have nothing to apply it to?

uuurrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhh. more muddy water and mischievous actions. what happened to the other sikh channel? they seemed more pious than this lot.

with out the dasam granth we will be at a major disadvantage. we will also open the door to more influences from other religions.

What do you mean by this last bit. Other religions influence?

well exactly that. without it we have to go on other sources that may not be covered by the SGGS ji. to make up for it, some fools will borrow off other religions. we already have the growth of fundamentalist stupidity, it wont take long for other things to pop up.

i'll give you a general analogy: if i wanted to learn french, build a bridge or train to drive a tank, i dont think the SGGS ji would cover it. some id1ots say the SGGS ji is all they need in life......... i imagine most of that life will be spent inside a bedroom then.

what do you not like about the dasam granth, dalsingh?

i think no matter what, sikhi will continue for a long time. but how it continues will be affected by things like this. with out the dasam granth we will be at a major disadvantage. we will also open the door to more influences from other religions.

i wasnt trying to start a veg -v- meat argument, as i couldnt care less whether other sikhs eat meat or not.

but what annoys me is that some sikhs will have an opinion, and due to insecurity and other personal reasons, they try and justify their beliefs as the right ones for everyone. so in order to do that they have 'conversations with the gurus' (see the other thread about nihang practices), or they will jump on the first piece of halfassed junk science they find. and that is exactly what christian and muslim fundamentalists do. and look how screwed up they are.

we need to stop emulating the worst practices of people from other religions and think with logic. guru nanak ji was one of the most enlightened people in his era, and he would not stand for the stupid mentality that some people try and portray as 'god's proof'. and if you dont believe me, look at the fact no one has responded to my points.