Kaljug Singh

do you do paath? it's bani that gives strength on the inside so that we can gracefully carry what's on the outside.

do lots of jaap sahib, it will help give you courage. remembering the sacrifice of the gurus will also help bolster your determination. listen to shaheedi jaap on your ipod 24/7 for at least a few days.

What is "Shaheedi Jaap"? Where can I learn more about it? Better yet, where can I download it?

Regards,

K.

Gurfateh Ji

It`s really sad when people start stereotyping whole communities.

It's really sad when people ignore what is happening to Gurdwaras across Pakistan to make some inane wishy-washy politically correct post about how "we are all one".

We are not here to merely protect Sikhs but "Sarbat dah bhalla",

It's odd that so many people here believe that this precludes protecting ourselves first rather than allowing others to destroy us, because to defend ourselves and Sikh interests might hurt someone's feelings which would not be in line with their interpretation of "sarbat da bhalla".

Note the Love Muslim Brothers had with the Gurus throughout History

- Bhai Mardana Guru Nanak Dev Ji companion through preaching Sikhism 80 thousand miles radius

- Sai Mian Mir Guru Arjan Dev Crossed Friend and also the individual who was given the honour to lay down foundations of Siri Harmander sahib

- Guni Khan & Nabhi khan, who helped tenth Master escape the clutches of mogul Soldiers in the saka of chamkaur so guru Ji could go on and give strength to the khalsa

There are also many more examples,

And there were hundreds of thousands more examples of Muslim soldiers in the times of our Gurus who were just as bloodthirsty and hate-filled towards Sikhs as their current Muslim incarnations in Pakistan and beyond, but I guess we should pretend that they don't exist and hope that they leave us alone.

God Bless

K.

Oh i see. But to call his wife blind and unguided sounds a little harsh to me. But maybe it isn't. Thank you for the help!

LaChelle

ਅੰਧਲੀ which has here been translated as "blind" also means agyani, without wisdom; ਬੇਪੀਰਿ, translated as "unguided", means nigura, one without a guru or spiritual preceptor. Though Bhagat Kabir Ji is addressing his wife directly in this passage, in a wider context he is indirectly addressing all of us who are blind and unguided and married to Maya (illusion), the wife that Kabir Ji mentions a little later on in that composition. (That Kabir Ji calls Maya the wife of the world is indicative of how close we are attached to illusion, it shouldn't be read as some form of criticism of women.)

K.

If you want them never to come to your house again, answer the door looking like this Singh:

K.

MODS:

If at some point you delete this thread, can you please ensure that the translations provided by NeoSingh are kept visible on this site?

Ta,

K.

Wasn't Bhindranwale created by Indira Maimuna Begum aka Indira Gandhi ?:umm:

Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindrawale was made by Akal Purakh Waheguru from pure sarbloh and bir ras. His father was Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji, and his mother was Mata Sahib Devan Ji.

Indra Gandhi, on the other hand, was created as a result of dripping water on a mogwai and feeding the resulting creature after midnight. Not even her mother knew who her father was.

K.

You've had the pain for a month?

GO SEE YOUR DOCTOR NOW!

K.

Gur Fateh

I need some advice please... This might sound really strange. Basically I have some problem where if I do something and I thought comes into my head, I cannot differentiate between whether that was just a thought in my head or that thought made me do what I did. As an example, if im scratching my arm or something i might get a thought in my head like 'oh wait a hair might come off', and then next thing I know I really cannot tell if I was actually scratching my arm TO remove a hair (btw I'ma Singh, and I don't have any thing against any of the hair on my body, so its not a case of me wanting it removed for aesthetic reasons or something). So I'm reallly confused and sooo paranoid right now. I honestly believe I actually must have some mental problem or something. Like the other day, just daydreaming I was playing around with my pen in a lecture and so one of those stupid thoughts u get in lectures comes in my head where I think, I'll click my pen against my arm... then i think no don't do that u migh remove a hair. Then next thing I know I'm daydreaming and and clicking the pen against my arm, then the thought about removal, then I'm actually confused whether I did that knowingly that a hair will be removed, and am thinking or did I actually do it to remove a hair. Like I sad I know I sound totally nuts, you don't need to tell me.

I should probably say for about a year or two, before recieving amrit I have been having various mental problems, ocd of sorts, depression etc. So I wouldn't rule out (infact I would think) that this is part of my mind problems.

Is this something to worry about?? Do I need to see panj? Sometimes I think what if i did try and remove hair on purpose and I don't see the panj??? Arrgh, please don't hate me for being like this.

You don't sound nuts at all, but what you describe is a pretty common story of OCD. If you haven't done so already, I'd get a simple book on OCD and read it so that you understand how the obsessive-compulsive mindset works. Are you receiving any kind of treatment - therapy, medication, etc?

You've already made it clear in your post that 1) You have no conscious desire to remove hair, and that 2) you are Amritdhari so know that you would never remove your hair on purpose. For these reasons, you have no need to get pesh for whatever hair is removed (or falls out) accidentally.

K.

He is not much of a threat - the man can't even buy a suit that fits. The only lunatics who would put any faith in something said by a man with such terrible dress sense are already mad hate-filled Muslims. Allah says his clothes lack colour coordination. See surah 6, verse 6, line 6.

K.

iv had a look at the link thanks...

where can i get this pothi from?? the naanak gita?

is it on line? if not, where in uk can i get it from?

thanks jeeoz

You would have to go to the Udasi dera in India and ask permission to see it.

Kam1825 said that he would try and get it.

It is written in Sanskrit and Hindi anyway, so you would have to be able to read Devanagari characters to understand the granth.

K.

my g...

iv been looking for this for years...

there is the gobind gita by dasmesh pita - i new of that,

but whats the other one by guru naanak dev ji???

i aint heard bou that 1...

wos the history and synopsis of this bani/pothi?

and can ppl can ppl buy it??

See Kam1825's blog here for more info about Nanak Gita. Read the comments by Kam also for answers to your questions:

http://sikhscriptures2english.blogspot.com/2010/05/sri-nanak-parkash-post-077.html#comments

K.

Where can we find this katha.

It can be found here on Jvala SIngh's site:

http://sikh-reality.blogspot.com/2010_01_01_archive.html

Regards,

K.

Did any of you actually follow Jvala Singh's advice and listen to Giani Inderjit Singh's katha on Bhagauti Astotar? We wouldn't be having this discussion if everyone here had listened to it and understood the relationship between Akal Purakh's Shakti and how both Durga and the Khanda are different roops of this Shakti.

K.

Kaljug what about bani? i have heard people talk about how gurbani will disappear or go gupt?

Japo jap ekay haray har Akalung. Hayv tab duniya sab chinak mein nihalung.

Everyone will worship only the one Akal. The entire world will be immediately blissful.

K.

WOW!!! Truely amazing. I have not viewed the videos but from your synopsis it seems to be coming from a truely enlightend soul !!!!!

Yes, it comes from Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji in Ugardanti Bani:

Mittay Ved Shastar Atharan Purana

Mittay Baang Salwaat Sunnat Kuranan ( Ugardanti Chakka 5, lines 17-20 )

The Vedas, the Shastar and the Puranas will all disappear ( or be destroyed ). The Muslim call to prayer, circumcision and Korans will also disappear ( or be destroyed )

Sagal Jagat mein Khalsa Panth Gaajai

Jaggai Dharam Hindu Turkan Sakal Dand Bhaajai ( Ugardanti chakka 1, lines 39-40 )

The Khalsa will be supreme in the entire world, and the Hindu and Turak religions will be destroyed in this world.

Regards,

K.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

Gobind Gita can now be found on scribd here:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/31560652/Gobind-Gita

Regards,

K.

Please, has anyone got a pdf of the Gobind Gita? I know there is one, but have had no luck finding it.

Many millions of thanks !!!!!!!!!!

I put it on scribd here:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/31560652/Gobind-Gita

Enjoy,

K.

Whats Gobind Gita? never heard of it before? Is it some hindu text?

It's a rewriting of the Bhagawad Gita by Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji. There is another version of 100 lines written by Guru Ji in the roop of Guru Nanak Dev Ji which distills the essence of the Gita. It's kept by the Udasi samprada. If I find a copy, I will upload it on scribd and let this forum know.

Regards,

K.

I was talking to this guy, and he asked me something about the Gurus

This is controversial and that is why I have put it in Gupt.

1st statement – the gurus did not want women in power. None of the 10 gurus were a woman, if they believed in equality then they should have a woman Guru.

2nd Statement – Guru Gobind Singh Ji wanted the power his father had. Guru Gobind Singh Ji, wanted his father out of the way so he could take over the sikh rule he wanted. He wanted to create the Army the way he wanted. With this he had all the power.

I do not agree with either of these statements and no way of proving otherwise. Except my true belief in our Gurus and what they have done, I do not have the knowledge to refute these claims.

Can some one help?

LOL, it sounds like something some benefit-claiming sullah doing "da'wah" would say. I guess Judeo-Christian God doesn't believe in equality either since all of his prophets were men.

Sri Guru Tegh Bahadur did not have a standing army. He was martyred by the Muslim Mughals who invaded India while Dasmesh Pita was young. The Khalsa was created by Akal Purakh to destroy the tyrannical rule of the Muslims.

The next time someone makes outrageous claims like that, simply ask them for the evidence of their claims so that you can consider and refute their claims. I guarantee that they will have no evidence beyond something that some illiterate paan-smuggling henna-stained-bearded inbred mullah from some thirld world country has told them.

K.

"We blow something up."

"What we gonna blow up, Raj?"

"... the internet!"

"What?"

LOL

K.

Because the attempt is to carefully introduce the concept that Guruji did sewa of the devi by turning the devi from a Hindu goddess into some sort of 'feminine' force of Waheguru. Devis don't find much positive mention in Guru Granth Sahib but then suddenly the devi because the be all and end all of Sikhi in 1699. Be careful of propaganda sites like the one referenced in the first post of this thread. These types of sites accept everything written in Sikh literature as true rather than analyse it with reference to Gurbani.

Veer ji, this isn't correct. The truth is as pjs veer has stated it - the Chandi that is praised in Dasam bani is the Shakti of Akaal Purakh Waheguru. The Devi of Hinduism is just one of many forms of this Shakti that Waheguru manifests to destroy adharam. See:

ਤੁਹੀ ਕਾਲ ਅਕਾਲ ਕੀ ਜੋਤਿ ਛਾਜੈ ॥ ਸਦਾ ਜੈ ਸਦਾ ਜੈ ਸਦਾ ਜੈ ਬਿਰਾਜੈ

You are the destroyer of all and you are the Divine light of the Lord prevailing in the universe. Victory is yours presently and will forever

remain.

This becomes apparent if you read the whole of Ugardant Bani and not just the first few lines. Here the Devi of Hinduism is praised as a from of Shakti:

ਨਮੋ ਕਾਲਕਾ ਕਾਲ ਰੂਪੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਨੀ ॥ ਨਮੋ ਸੁੰਭ ਨਿਸੁੰਭ ਨਾਸਨਿ ਭਵਾਨੀ ॥

Salutation to the Glodly Eternal Power Bhavani, who adornes a sharp sword. Salutation to the destroy of Sumbh and Nishumb.

ਨਮੋ ਚੰਡ ਅਰ ਮੂੰਡ ਸੰਘਾਰ ਕਾਰੀ ॥ ਨਮੋ ਰਕਤ ਬੀਜਾਨ ਕੇ ਪ੍ਰਾਨ ਹਾਰੀ ॥

Salutation to the killer of Channd and Mundd. Salutations to the destroyer of evil demons like Rakat Beej.

But then this Shakti is praised in the following way:

ਤੁਹੀ ਥੰਭ ਸਿਉਂ ਨਿਕਸ ਨਰਸਿੰਘ ਹੋਈ ॥ ਉਦਰ ਹਰਨਾਖਸ ਕਾ ਨਖਹੁ ਕਰ ਪਰੋਈ

You transformed into Narsingh and manifested from the pillar. With your nails you tore open the belly of Harnaksh.

ਤੁਹੀ ਕੱਛ ਹੁਇ ਦੈਤ ਮਧੁਕੀਟ ਜਾਰੇ ॥ ਤੁਹੀ ਹੋਇ ਬੈਰਾਹ ਹਿਰਨਾਛਯ ਮਾਰੇ ॥

You manifested as a turtle [Kach avatar] and are the creator of Madh and Keetab demons. You manifested as a boar [Varha Avatar] and killed Harankashyap.

ਤੁਹੀ ਹੁਇ ਬਾਵਨ ਮਹਾਂ ਛਲ ਦਿਖਾਯੋ ॥ ਪਕੜ ਰਾਜੇ ਬਲ ਕੋ ਪਤਾਲੈ ਪਠਾਯੋ ॥

You manifested as Bawan the dwarf and performed a great act of deception. And banished Raja Bal to the nether world.

ਤੁਹੀ ਹੋਇ ਪਰਸਰਾਮ ਜਗ ਮਹਿ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸੀ ॥ ਸਕਲ ਛਤ੍ਰੀਅਨ ਕਉ ਕਰੈ ਛੈ ਬਿਨਾਸੀ ॥

You manifested as Parsuram in this world. And destroyed innumerable Khsatriyas [warrior clan].

ਤੁਹੀ ਫਿਰ ਭਈ ਰਾਮਚੰਦ੍ਰ ਅਪਾਰਾ ॥ ਪਕੜ ਲੰਕ ਸਉ ਦੈਤ ਰਾਵਣ ਪਛਾਰਾ ॥

You again were born as Lord Rama. And destroyed Ravana the demon King of Lanka.

In Hindu legend, these were incarnations of Vishnu.

What is clearly being praised is the power beyond the power of these individual devatay, which is the power of Akal Purakh.

Regards,

K.

She needs professional help if her depression is as bad as you describe. Encourage her to speak to her GP who should be able to put her in contact with a counsellor or therapist. At some point she, or you on her behalf if things get bad, is going to have to explain the situation to her parents so that she has the support of her family.

Give her the contact details for the Samaritans also if you feel she is seriously considering suicide. She can call them at any time of the day or night.

It's great that you are helping her, but dealing with mental illness often requires professionals, and it can take its toll on those who are personally involved with someone with mental illness, so make sure that you are taking care of yourself also - eat healthily, exercise regularly, and do as much Sukhmani Sahibs as you can.

K.

Heavy squats and deadlift on a regular basis. THat way, even if you are still under the influence of kaam, you'll be too tired to do anything about it. :-D

Sexual energy is still just energy (it comes naturally as an effect of regular exercise and increased testosterone and bloodflow), and it something you should be channeling into your workouts.

K.

Hi I just have a question about Sikhi. Hope this is the right forum as in desc. it says "General Sikhi talk and inquiries".

Please I do not know! Secondly I do not want to cause offense or anything, far from it. Basically I m not amritdhari Sikh. I wear a kara is that wrong? Just because if I did not have the others am I entitled to wear just one? I know the majority NO actually everyone I have met has not taken offence to me wearing a Kara. But, I know I'am jumping to conclusions but if I was to say for example wear a Kirpan, some people would make comments and alot may not approve. Sorry if I sound argumentative or clueless, it's just that many people of Punjabi origin wear Kare, no one bats an eyelid. So can I have the honest opinion of the sangat, am I wrong just to wear a Kara, do I have to observe fully and adhere to all 5. Are non- Amritdhari's allowed too, and does it offend Amritdahris, if we wear Kare, just one of the Panj Kakkar?

I do wear boxers aswell but that is different to Kachera. Or not? Does Kachera have to be like knee length?

Sorry if I sound like an id10t, it's just I don't know. So please again I am sorry if I offend, it's just sometimes, some here think because I do not adhere to Sikhi 100%, I should not talk about it. I am trying to learn more, I want too!!!!!

Few people adhere to Sikhi 100%, but we all try to obtain that goal. It's OK to take babysteps, not everyone can jump right into the deep end. For example, many Singhs I know kept full rehat (including 5Ks) as preparation before taking Amrit.

I believe it's fine to wear a kara as a staring point as long as you don't do beadbi of it (i.e., don't drink or smoke if you wear it).

General kachhera rehat is that it should be knee length and should have a nala. Boxers definitely do not count.

Keep asking questiobns, veer ji, and keep learning.

K.

Sants choose to live the lifestyle of a behangam saadhu, most Sikhs follow the grisht jeevan way. I think it's important not to confuse the two because the way that a Sant controls kaam (through celibacy and self-denial) does not fit in with the way that a marriage works.

In gristh jeevan, the way that kaam is controlled is with one's spouse and one's spouse alone. Personally, I believe that it is entirely up to the couple how they choose to channel their sexual desires, and I believe it's wrong not to take into consideration the sexual needs of your spouse and thus risk the breaking up of your marriage. If both of you have high avastha and decide that sex is only for procreation, that's fine; if you find that you need an active sex life with your spouse to help control kaam and prevent adultery (remember, that even the thought of another's spouse is adultery), then that is fine also.

From a purely psychological point of view, sexual repression and the mental turmoil that results is going to be much more of an obstacle to spiritual pursuits than treating sex with one's spouse as a natural and healthy occurence. However, if you suffer from guilt after having sex, then that is just as much of an obstacle. It's an important topic that needs to be discussed with your spouse in an open and guilt-free manner so that you both understand one's needs. I don't think one should take advice about such a personal topic from anyone unless it is from your Panj.

That is my opinion only, your mileage may vary.

K.