chhokaranwala

Is this some type of cynical attempt to raise money from innocent Sikhs ?

There is no proposed bandh by the Shiv Sena in Punjab - theres nothing been reported - nothing on the net about it - seems like someones playing games !

No wonder Sikhs can never unite

If this Amar JKP is really the same dude from Hindu-Sikh.com then he truly is a double edged dodgy character

check this out:

http://www.hostmybb.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=601&start=60&mforum=hindusikhs

QUOTE: is all true -

I deal with these Sikh fudus on sikhsangat.com every day and from personal experience that they are 24 karat grade A FUDUS that talk aaaa all day long

I take the piss of them all the time thay are so easy to make fools of and they jump on my threads like mad dogs -

the biggest gandu is one character who calls himself Sarpanch - a fudu with no life, no wife and all strife

WHAT THE HELL is this guy up to ?

some people truly have no shame when it comes to distorting the message of Sikhi

You have been provided with several accepted translations of the Dasam Granth clearly referring to Krishna as the servant

but the truth is that some people have already made their minds up and try to find words to make the Guru speak for them instead of trying to understand the true message

For changig one word Ram Rai was rejected by the Guru but todays charlatans and fakes do not think twice before trying to promote their own insecurities and pre determined agendas on the scriptures.

I have noticed that for some people being Sikh is just being not-Hindu without any real beleif in Sikhi

you still havent shown why would virtually all the translations of the relevant passage refer not to insect but to servants

the puranic imagery is freely used throughout the scriptures and the same names are used for the praise of God by the Bhagats

but obvioulsly in your mission to prove the promotion of hatred you know better than all of them :rolleyes:

I truly pity the mindset that seeks to find support from hatred in the scriptures

the Dasam Granth as far as I am aware in its various translations have given the meaning as stated and not as insect

if thats what you choose to beleive then thats up to you but it does not make it true

you have to try and grasp the full meaning of the teachings and not pick and choose whatever suits your agenda

if you want to commit beadbi of the scriptures to suit your agenda then thats up to you

I prefer to try and seek after the truth

http://www.searchgurbani.com/main.php?book...age&page=98

I dont know if you didnt read it properly or are trying to lie to people

ਕਿਤੇ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਸੇ ਕੀਟ ਕੋਟੈ ਬਨਾਏ ॥ ਕਿਤੇ ਰਾਮ ਸੇ ਮੇਟਿ ਡਾਰੇ ਉਪਾਏ ॥

किते क्रिसन से कीट कोटै बनाए ॥ किते राम से मेटि डारे उपाए ॥

Somewhere He hath created millions of the servants like Krishna. Somewhere He hath effaced and then created (many) like Rama

what people like you do is pure beadbi and lies - you should be ashamed

on the same page is also says

ਦਿਸਾ ਬਿਦਿਸਾਯੰ ਜਿਮੀ ਆਸਮਾਣੰ ॥ ਚਤੁਰ ਬੇਦ ਕਥਿਅੰ ਕੁਰਾਣੰ ਪੁਰਾਣੰ ॥੨੪॥

दिसा बिदिसायं जिमी आसमाणं ॥ चतुर बेद कथिअं कुराणं पुराणं ॥२४॥

Thou hast also created the directions, the indivcations, the earth and the sky. Thou hast also related the four Vedas, the Quran and the Puranas.24.

theres a bit more info about the origins of Lucifer

"http://www.picknettprince.com/books/secret...gt;<BR>It

is overall a good lesson for Sikhs today to learn from the past - how the Christians had to come to terms with some of the merciless punishments of God given in the Old testament with the image of a loving and peacful god propogated by Jesus.

At first they beleived that both the kind and furious aspects of God were different aspects of the same being but later created the image of Lucifer, the Devil as a malignant force responsible for all the evil in the world

At little like some Sikhs today always looking to blame and hate others rather than look inwards and do dome serious introspection

Lucifer actually refers to 'she who seeks knowledge' and represented the pre Christian worjship of the feminine aspect of God - This was turned into devil/witch worship by the Christians and now represents evil to them

Many of the Bhagats used the imagery and name of Ram and Krishna whilst expressing their love of God and to do nindiya is certainly not the Sikh way

The beleif in one God is not the rejection of all other paths to reach that God - that is the Abrahamic path - lit - Christian- Islam etc where all others must be defeated and put down

Sadly this is the path chosen by some Sikhs today who cant seem to identify themselves without hating Hindus or Muslims etc -

the lady in the video is Wafa Sultan who has spoken with amazing courage even on Arab channels like Al Jazeera debating with Mullas and other scholars etc

another pathetic and shameless thread - for some people Sikh just means to hate other people and faiths

if you bother to actually look at the video it appears to be CNN coverage of the Mubai 26/11 attacks - you can see the Taj Hotel in the background and the reporter is surrounded by an agitated and angry group

I recently met this guy whose really trying to push his agenda in Southall - ie as an MP etc

In further discussion he was also really pushing a pro-Sikh agenda for the area

I am not sure about this person - he was really pushing the pro Khalistan image but I wasnt sure whether this is his real agenda becuase he didnot give me a genuine feeling about caring for Sikh issues

Anyone have any info on this guy ?

a few reminders of the state of Sikh brothers and sisters in Pakistan:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/017859.php

<H3 class=title>Muslims take over Sikh Temple in Pakistan</H3>Religious imperialism: "They have taken over our temple, claiming it as their own. They have stopped us from entering the premises for the past two months."

"Muslims take over gurdwara in Lahore," from Rediff (thanks to Twostellas):

attack on Nankana Sahib

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3696236.stm

Pakistan shrine raid angers Sikhs

Sikhs in the north Indian state of Punjab have expressed anger at an attack on a Sikh shrine in Pakistan.

More than 100 students threw stones at the Gurdwara shrine, birthplace of the founder of Sikhism, at Nankana Sahib, west of Lahore, on Saturday.

They were protesting at the conversion of a college building at the site into a residential hall for Sikh pilgrims.

The chief of the top Sikh shrines committee, Bibi Jagir Kaur, called the attack "a matter of grave concern".

Pakistani officials say it was the result of a minor misunderstanding and the safety of the shrine was not endangered.

The temple is the birthplace of the founder of Sikhism, Guru Nanak Dev.

'Sabotage'

Ms Kaur issued appeals for intervention from the Indian president and from India's first Sikh Prime Minister, Manmohan Singh.

On Tuesday, the Indian foreign ministry issued a statement saying: "We hope the government of Pakistan will take the necessary measures for the protection of this holy shrine."

Bibi Jagir Kaur says a delegation will go to inspect damage

Ms Kaur said her Shiromani Gurdwara Prabhandhak Committee would form a high-level delegation of MPs, academics and clergy to carry out an inspection of damage to the shrine.

The shrine is looked after by the Pakistan Evacuee Properties Trust, which is responsible for most shrines of religious minorities in Pakistan.

Senior trust officials said the attack was an isolated incident and should not be overplayed.

The trust's Izhar ul-Hassan told the BBC the attack was a misunderstanding among a group of students and the matter had been resolved.

Mr ul-Hassan said media reports were being exaggerated by elements that had a vested interest in sabotaging the current improvement in India-Pakistan relations.

The students were apparently angry that the Punjab province government had agreed to hand over a college building near the temple to the Nankana Sahib Trust to house Sikh pilgrims.

They believed the college would have to be relocated. Provincial education secretary Nazir Saeed said on Sunday that the building would be vacated only after construction of a new one for the college.

nice to see Mr AK miss the sarcasm

whether you like it or not the ground reality is that the Sikhs particularly the youth are facing a problem from increasingly militant Muslims

the only people really holding it in Southall are the newly arrived Punjabi munde - otherwise there is a hugely increased Muslim population

and as for your World Muslim Sikh Federation look at soormas like Manmohan Singh (Mr Dal Khalsa) Chairman of the same group (scroll down to the bottom)

http://www.wmsf.org.uk/Events/Basant_Mela_2008.html

say the videos about the Pakistanis giving it in Southall

Nice to see Sarpanch and the others from the World Sikh Muslim federation joining in the celebrations

Didnt 'Shaheed' Prabhakaran try and set up the Rajiv Gandhi killing on the Sikhs ? namely the Babber Khalsa ?

what does bramhinvadh refer to ?

it the concept of heirachy of caste

The brahmins have not held power in Punjab for over five hundred years and yet we still blame them for the caste system prevelant in Punjab

As Sikhs we have to take responsibilty that the caste system has not been eradicated in our majority areas, even in the rural regions where we are in an overwhelming majority the caste system is deepluy entrecnhed

Only someone who has lived in Punjab can really appreciate the deep rooted caste divisions in Punjab

well done

you just summed up why the so called backward and scheduled castes are soo alienated from Sikhi today

These have been the workers and footsoldiers for every struggle in Punjab for hudnnreds of years and just becuase they dont have well organised media outlets and politicians does not take away this fact

We say we hate the Hindus - we despise the 'Bhaiyas' we want the Dalits to keep their mouths shut always looking for someone to blame when the balme lies within

the truth is that most Sikhs today are not real followers of the Ten Masters and can give nothing but lip service to equality and brotherhood

the scene today is that that people in record numbers are alienated from Sikh because of hate, fanatacism and fasicst crap

Sikhs have to stand up and take responsibility for their actions

a sad and painful post by Jason which only reflects the unfortunate truth at the ground level

a large part of our people are being alienated, beaten down and then told to forget about it and then we have the cheek to tell them that they are the brahmins slaves

I saw an interview with a Dalit actisit in Punjab where he says the Hindu cremation grounds are open to them but not the Sikh !

He went on to say that some Hindus were arranging intercaste weddigs and trainig as priests

All this while we debate about which Baba to murder next or which Dharmsala to raid all the same time patting ourselves on the back sayig we dont beleive in castes and its all the bahamns fault

some serious introspection required amongst our people or the future is very dim

Sikhi will only revive when we learn to be honest and open hearted like the original Sikhs

Sikhs today are mean minded and utterly incapable of accepting responsibility for their actions - its always someboday elses fault :umm:

This we rightly blame the GOI for its wrong actions but say nothing to the totally irresponsible Sikh leadership for their weak and dirty actions at the same time

we have heroes like Sarpanch on this site justyfying 'raiding' places of worship and the promotion of hate as if this will save Sikhi - in reality this is destroying SIkhi and its about time we opened our eyes and hearts

were you part of the heroic jatha that 'raided' the Ravidasi gurdwara ?

fair enough but then why do they become Hindu be default ?

You are an <banned word filter activated>

these people are Sikhs albeit imperfect ones

why is it that we say that we are totally delinked from Hindus and yet any Sikh we perceive not being a 'proper' Sikh by defauly becomes Hindu ?

what a mental theory

didnt Sangat Singh also have an equally wild theory about the Nehrus being from the family of Ganga the cook of the Tenth Master

how many people are truly unaware of what caste they belong to

it appears in India that no quom has been able to get rid of caste and mabye it never will

but even if the identity does not disapear at the very least there should be no discrimination based on caste - This has been reflected by the rise of parties in India like the BSP who now rule UP

In Punjab we dont have the same assertion

Look at the recent elections in Punjab - In a state with 55% Sikhs and about 40% Hindus we had 9 of 13 MPS elected were Sikhs

we have a Jat component of about 30% of the population and yet are almost 70% of the representation

This is reflected in all parts of the system in Punjab