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VaahegurooJeeKaaKhaalsaa, VaahegurooJeeKeeFaateh!!

One thing I dont understand is guru jee says in Gurbanee jag mei udaam kadhie virle kehee kai. There only few gurmukhs in this world, however people are going around saying he is brahmgyani and they there brahygyani its become a complete joke.

Secondly singhstah and others you are saying that you feel hurt at those who don't believe in raag mala, their taking a page of gurbanee out of Guru Granth Sahib Jee. However if you look at the other side of the story those who dont believe in raag mala, they feel strongly against raag mala being next to saachi amrit baani.

However for panthic unity anti raagmala sangat has taken this issue lightly and accepted akal takhts hukam of raaag mala being in guru jee's paviter saroop.

Furthermore 2nd thing that annoys me is that the youth go around making stories of Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh Jee who has wrote: Undithiy Duniyaa, Charan Kamal Ki mauj, anhad shabad dasum duar, sachkhand darshand (5 khands) and people are coming out with stories like (1) Bhai Sahib went to baba jee and admitted raaag mala being gurbanee and then had a peaceful death (2) Bhai Sahib suffered painful death (3) Bhai Sahib has keere coming out of his mouth. There are few others as well.

Now Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh Jee did'nt have a "sant" title and his main objective wasnt to give 100,000 people amrit. Bhai Sahibs amrit sanchars (I am refering to Guru Gobind Singh Jee amrit sanchar) 200 people wanted want to take amrit and sat troughout the whole amrit sanchar and only 5 of the 200 only were given amrit. In majority of amrit sanchars bhai sahib did seva only handful would actually took amrit 2,3,4,5 or 6.

Now lets compare Bhai Sahib to other sants. Others sants gave about 100000's of people amrit in there life time and Bhai Sahib only gave about 100-150 people amrit in there life time. If Bhai Sahib was wrong about raag mala it would'nt have much affect because he only had about 100-150 companions, so he doesnt loose much. Where as a sant has 100,000 companions.

The point I am making is Bhai Sahib would;nt lie to loose his image and respect within the singhs, as their were only handful of campanions and Bhai Sahibs aim wasnt to make quantity, it was quality.

1) Guru Arjan Dev Jee

2)Jap Ji Sahib Jee has 2 1s in the start, the book contains the answer to this question and gives other banis with 1s coming throughout - the numbering

3) - Prem Mala - the mala of love - how to get to god.

e.g. from raagmala

Question 04 How should a person recite the name of God?

Guru Arjan Dev Ji replied

pMc rwgnI sµig aucrhI ]

Panch Raagnee Sang Ucharhee

Panch = great, Raagnee = love, Sang = with, Ucharhee = recite

With great or superior love an individual should recite the name

of God.

pRB kI pRIiq irdY inrml nwm ]

Due to the love of God within the individual the name of the Lord resides

within their heart.

(Aasaa Mahalla 5 ang 391 of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji)

60 points are answered in raagmaala on how to get to god, please read the book and the arth and then get into the debates, sant giani gurbachan singh jee were dhan dhan for giving these blessed arth, passed down from guru gobind singh jee and preserved in his taksal.

] jpu ] (1-3, mÚ 1)

jap.

Chant And Meditate:

Awid scu jugwid scu ] (1-4, jpu, mÚ 1)

aad sach jugaad sach.

True In The Primal Beginning. True Throughout The Ages.

hY BI scu nwnk hosI BI scu ]1] (1-4, jpu, mÚ 1)

hai bhee sach naanak hosee bhee sach. ||1||

True Here And Now. O Nanak, Forever And Ever True. ||1||

socY soic n hoveI jy socI lK vwr ] (1-5, jpu, mÚ 1)

sochai soch na hova-ee jay sochee lakh vaar.

By thinking, He cannot be reduced to thought, even by thinking hundreds of thousands of times.

cupY cup n hoveI jy lwie rhw ilv qwr ] (1-5, jpu, mÚ 1)

chupai chup na hova-ee jay laa-ay rahaa liv taar.

By remaining silent, inner silence is not obtained, even by remaining lovingly absorbed deep within.

BuiKAw BuK n auqrI jy bMnw purIAw Bwr ] (1-5, jpu, mÚ 1)

bhukhi-aa bhukh na utree jay bannaa puree-aa bhaar.

The hunger of the hungry is not appeased, even by piling up loads of worldly goods.

shs isAwxpw lK hoih q iek n clY nwil ] (1-6, jpu, mÚ 1)

sahas si-aanpaa lakh hohi ta ik na chalai naal.

Hundreds of thousands of clever tricks, but not even one of them will go along with you in the end.

ikv sicAwrw hoeIAY ikv kUVY qutY pwil ] (1-6, jpu, mÚ 1)

kiv sachi-aaraa ho-ee-ai kiv koorhai tutai paal.

So how can you become truthful? And how can the veil of illusion be torn away?

hukim rjweI clxw nwnk iliKAw nwil ]1] (1-7, jpu, mÚ 1)

hukam rajaa-ee chalnaa naanak likhi-aa naal. ||1||

O Nanak, it is written that you shall obey the Hukam of His Command, and walk in the Way of His Will. ||1||

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Bhai Khalistan Zindabad Singh Khalsa Jee the reason for the 2 "1's" is because:

THIS IS A SLOK

socY soic n hoveI jy socI lK vwr ] (1-5, jpu, mÚ 1)

sochai soch na hova-ee jay sochee lakh vaar.

By thinking, He cannot be reduced to thought, even by thinking hundreds of thousands of times.

cupY cup n hoveI jy lwie rhw ilv qwr ] (1-5, jpu, mÚ 1)

chupai chup na hova-ee jay laa-ay rahaa liv taar.

By remaining silent, inner silence is not obtained, even by remaining lovingly absorbed deep within.

THIS IS A PAUREE

socY soic n hoveI jy socI lK vwr ] (1-5, jpu, mÚ 1)

sochai soch na hova-ee jay sochee lakh vaar.

By thinking, He cannot be reduced to thought, even by thinking hundreds of thousands of times.

cupY cup n hoveI jy lwie rhw ilv qwr ] (1-5, jpu, mÚ 1)

chupai chup na hova-ee jay laa-ay rahaa liv taar.

By remaining silent, inner silence is not obtained, even by remaining lovingly absorbed deep within.

BuiKAw BuK n auqrI jy bMnw purIAw Bwr ] (1-5, jpu, mÚ 1)

bhukhi-aa bhukh na utree jay bannaa puree-aa bhaar.

The hunger of the hungry is not appeased, even by piling up loads of worldly goods.

shs isAwxpw lK hoih q iek n clY nwil ] (1-6, jpu, mÚ 1)

sahas si-aanpaa lakh hohi ta ik na chalai naal.

Hundreds of thousands of clever tricks, but not even one of them will go along with you in the end.

ikv sicAwrw hoeIAY ikv kUVY qutY pwil ] (1-6, jpu, mÚ 1)

kiv sachi-aaraa ho-ee-ai kiv koorhai tutai paal.

So how can you become truthful? And how can the veil of illusion be torn away?

hukim rjweI clxw nwnk iliKAw nwil ]1] (1-7, jpu, mÚ 1)

hukam rajaa-ee chalnaa naanak likhi-aa naal. ||1||

O Nanak, it is written that you shall obey the Hukam of His Command, and walk in the Way of His Will. ||1||

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This is the reason for the 2 1's. Furthermore if you look at raagmala's numbering system it doesnt fit according to Guru jee's numbering system.

Furthermore If you study Guru Granth Sahib jee's structure where a shabad, then astapadi, then cchant. Also the guru's baania come in order and then bhagat baani.

Following this example in reality mundavnee mehalla 5 and slok mehalla 5 tere keeta jatoo should come before slok mehelaa 9 jee's baani which is Guru Teghbahadar jee's baani. However guru jee placed mundavnee and slok mehalla 5 after slok mehlla 9 because mundavnee is the seal of guru granth sahib Jee.

Takes some time out and actually study the structure of each raag and then you will realise.

VaahegurooJeeKaaKhaalsaa, VaahegurooJeeKeeFaateh!!

DHAN DHAN BHAI SAHIB BHAI SHAHEED DARSHAN SINGH JEE IS A TRUE INSPIRATION TO THE KHALSA PANTH AND WILL BE HONOURED IN DARGAH FOR HIS BRAVERLY.

Vaheguroo Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguroo Ji Ki Fateh

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Please give us your darshan !

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kil qwqI TWFw hir nwau ]

kal thaathee t(h)aa(n)dtaa har naao ||

The Dark Age of Kali Yuga is so hot; the Lord's Name is soothing and cool.

ismir ismir sdw suK pwau ]

simar simar sadhaa sukh paao ||

Remember, remember it in meditation, and obtain everlasting peace.

p.s as for sant baba gurbachan singh being close with bhai randhir singh, its true is not that bhai randhir singh before passing away, apologized to sant baba gurbachan singh for misleading on the issue of raagmala?

HAHAHAHA These fairytale stories get better day by day. Hahahahaha.

Sant Baba Ranjit Singh Jee Dhadrianwale are very fond of Akhand Keertan, as they said in the UK diwaans in the summer. They also confirmed that they have requested the Akhand Keertani Jatha in India to come to Gurdwara Parmeshar Dwar Saahib every month to do Raensbhayee Keertan Darbars after the new Darbar Saahib and Lanagr Hall has opened. Now that this has happened a few weeks ago, there will be monthly AKJ Raensbhayee's at Gurdwara Parmeshar Dwar Saahib starting very soon. Each monthly programme will begin with Dhadi Vaaran by Dhadi Jatha's in India (as started by the 6th Guru), and followed by Katha. The same request made to the Akhand Keertani Jatha was also made to Kathavaachaks of Damdami Taksaal, where Katha will be done after the Dhadi Vaaran, just before the Raensbhayee starts, that would obviously go throughout the night.

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Its people like you who wont let the panth move forward, to me raag mala and keski is a very minor issue. Secondly your making akj to be out as the worst people on earth. Look into your history and look at the contributions AKJ has made to panth as well Damdami Taksal.

Teekha Gursikhoo for panthic exta, i respect your view.

But in the next 20-30 years we will be 100% sure if if sant jee was shaheed or chardi kala.

"...ps3, xbox the lot..."

And what exactly has that got to do with sikhi?? You should call it maya camp instead. I'm not going to say anything after this. I will still hold the same view and opinion that its wrong to be doing those activites at the gurdwara. I think thats going a bit too far.

Edited: Gurbani already doesn't agree with entertainments like this and you will be holding these activities at the gurdwara?! Don't you think thats disrespectful? On top of that, I've known that coventry Gurdwara has lareedar saroop prakash. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves. Not only was baba harnaam singh against these sort of entertainements, all mahapurakhs were.

VaahegurooJeekaaKhaalsaa, VaaheguroojeeKeeFaateh.

Veer Shadow Jee, 100% agree with you xbox and playstations should not be brought into gurdwhara sahibs. its not certain that were going to have xbox and playstation, Bhai Techno Singh only wrote this down because these were the suggestions given during the camp meeting on what we can do on the first day of camp. In the next camp meeting this issue will be brought up and opologise for any offence caused.

VaahegurooJeekaaKhaalsaa, VaaheguroojeeKeeFaateh.

VaahegurooJeeKaaKhaalsaa, VaahegurooJeeKeeFaateh!!

The topic starter should not be making such stories up and is causing the biggest nindiya ever. People shouldnt be fooled by this topic poster, its not the first time someone has done this.

The BNP are sly and cunning. There using Rajinder Singh as a skape goat, so the party isnt seen as being racist. Sikhs should'nt fall in the trap of the BNP and these BNP's are proberly laughing behing our backs. This could be very dangerous for sikhs, it could further cause commmunity tension.

The only postive outcome from this is that hopefully gore will realise the difference between muslims and sikhs.

VaahegurooJeeKaaKhaalsaa, VaahegurooJeeKeeFaateh!!

I think todays youth are very narrow minded, how is it beadbhi having a bench at the back of the hall for the elderly(disabled) If a person is in there 80's wants to go into saadh sangat to listen to keertan, they should be allowed to sit on a bench and engange in keertan. This is not beadbhi, gurbani is shabad guroo. Guru jee looks at things like how much nindiya, chugli, swearing, naam, gurbani etc we do.

Bhul chuck maaf

VaahegurooJeeKaaKhaalsaa, VaahegurooJeeKeeFaateh!!

I don't think guru jee would be happy with us if we raised slogans against our Hindus and muslim brothers.

At the same time swearing is a sin and why should muslims and Hindus get out of khalistan?

Khalsa Raj will be so great that Hindus and Muslims will all take amrit and become Khalsa.

By reading the posts above, I think we have lost the true meaning of khalsa raaj!

Bhul chuck maaf

VaahegurooJeeKaaKhaalsaa, VaahegurooJeeKeeFaateh!!

Can anyone please provide me the link to where I can purchase the DVD of Bhai Taru Singh Animated Movie.

Thanks!

VaahegurooJeeKaaKhaalsaa, VaahegurooJeeKeeFaateh!!

Phone Jathedar Bhai Raghbir Singh

There is one in December, Bradford Smagam.

VaahegurooJeeKaaKhaalsaa, VaahegurooJeeKeeFaateh!!

Yes monthly keertan is on!!

From my research I feel that Inderjit Singh Reyat is innocent and I am unsure about Parmer, Bagri and Malik.

The Indian Govt was behind the attack!!

VaahegurooJeeKaaKhaalsaa, VaahegurooJeeKeeFaateh!!

Please provide the evidence from your research!

Reyat was guilty, he killed those guys in Japan with one of his dodgy bombs, he admits to making the bomb for AI182. Glorifying such shady charachters guilty of cold blooded innocents is not what Guru Ji's Singh should be doing. To us these guys are as bad as the murdering Punjab Police scum who killed our youth in fake encounters.

As for Bagri and Malik getting off, well Tytler, Nath, Kumar and co have all escaped justice as well.

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VaahegurooJeeKaaKhaalsaa, VaahegurooJeeKeeFaaateh!

Inderjit Singh only admitted being guilty to reduce his sentence from life in prison to 5 years. Secondly it was only year after 84, Inderjit Reyat was asked to make a device, but was not told what its going to be used for. Thirdly Inderjit Singh knows alot, but due to threats to his family he is keeping a secret. Inderjit Singh never made the bomb he only made the device, the GOI agencies plot bomb materials in his garden. Inderjit Singh reads gurbanee all day in prison and stays in chardi kalaa. Now Bhai Sahib has been released, until his next court case.

VaahegurooJeeKaaKhaalsaa, VaahegurooJeeKeeFaateh!!

If Parmer was a so called "Terrorist" then why was he allowed to go to India freely. Secondly if Parmer told the GOI the real criminals behind the air india attack then why did the govt kill him and not use him as a key witness?? It doesnt make sense.

This was a govt plot to deframe sikhs. It was just year after 84, govt agencies must have been on high alert. On the day of the attack the bag x ray screens were not working, the fight was delayed by few hours and sniffer dogs wernt functioning properly. Furthermore after the intelligence suggesting that someone is planning to attack the air india flight, someone with the name "Singh" boards his luggage onto the plane but doesnt board himself. Would'nt that raise a alarm!

From my research I feel that Inderjit Singh Reyat is innocent and I am unsure about Parmer, Bagri and Malik.

The Indian Govt was behind the attack!!

VaahegurooJeeKaaKhaalsaa, VaahegurooJeeKeeFaateh!!

VaahegurooJeeKaaKhaalsaa, VaahegurooJeeKeeFaateh!!

Khalsa Camp 2009 is proberly one of the best camps I have been to ever!! Having sangat with gurmukh pyare Bhai Surjit Singh, Bhai Jarnail Singh and Bhai Raghbir Singh was amazing and with guru jee's grace they made the camp what is was. Amrit Vela simran sessions, lectures, veechaara and sangat were amazing!!

VaahegurooJeeKaaKhaalsaa, VaahegurooJeeKeeFaateh!!

Is Swami Paramanand Jee amritdhari?

AMAZING KEERTAN DARBAAR! THE VIOLIN WAS AWESOME IN THE KEERTAN!!

Bhai Sahibs Divans are amazing. Bhai Sahibs punjabi is very simple which enables youth to understand.

In the recording of sulemans ghost, suleman states that sant isher singh jee rara sahib, baba nand singh jee and baba attar singh jee were the same jyot as guru nanak dev jee - aka brahmgyanis - there jyot had/is emersed with that of vaheguru, therefore this topic should be cleared up.

Exactly Guru Sahib resides in his humble servants. Thus this does not mean he choses one particular individual and comes as an avtar. These statements are blasphemy. Guru Sahib resides in his humble saints regardless of their particular group ( Rara Sahib, Nanaksar, AKJ) I doubt that Bhai Randhir Singh Ji , Baba ISher Singh Ji ( Rara), or Baba Nand Singh Ji distinguish any differerence among themselves. They only see and know Waaheguru. They have no indvidual personality. Its quite disrespectful to give these Gurumukhs a personality that is seperate from Guru Ji. Therefore, I dont think we should be making distinctions between any of these saints .

Actually Bhai Randir Singh (a very highly spiritual person) did not accept Raagmala for the majority of his life, until he met Sant Giani Gurbachan Singh Ji Bhindranvale. There he admitted his mistake. (Proof; Damdami Taksal)

Baba Nand Singh Ji was true nirankar, Guru Nanak Dev Ji avtar. He was above everyone.

My reply to the jatha sangat has been for years, go ad ask giani pritam singh who was present when it happened and aslo bhai jeevan singh in maharaj jees hazoori - but i never get a response when i say that.

Singh Ji that beautiful shabad you provided refers to Sach Khand. When the atma leaves the body and reaches Sach Khand through the Dasam Duar ( 10th plane) there is no reason for food and sleep there. THis is a state Mahapursh reach when doing Naam Abhyiaas its not a state they are in at all times. Because obviosuly when doing wordly chores there atma is still in their sareer.

Singh ji, why can't they be in that state at all times? I have heard of non-Sikh (Hindu) ascetics to be in samadhi for months, yet from outside they appear to be awake and normal, but from within their avastha is in samadhi. To the world they appear like ordinary but they are not in their sensual "senses" as they are ikk-mikk with Vaheguru. If non-Sikhs can achieve that, I am more than sure Gurmukhs can as well. Bhai Sahib Bhai Rama Singh ji and Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Bhindranwale visited Sachkhand several times even before leaving their mortal bodies. Sachkhand is where Vaheguru resides, and Vaheguru is inside us. We need to "go inside" to get Sachkhand. That is how I understand it. One has to reach Sachkhand while being alive. That is what takes one there after physical death. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Actually Bhai Randir Singh (a very highly spiritual person) did not accept Raagmala for the majority of his life, until he met Sant Giani Gurbachan Singh Ji Bhindranvale. There he admitted his mistake. (Proof; Damdami Taksal)

There will always be a never-ending debate on this matter which won't have any conclusion.

In regards to Rag mala , the person who posted this thing is just trying to start an Anti-Akj thread. Everybody knows who was the strongest opponent of Rag Mala.

i was not trying to start an anti akj thread. i already got in trouble 4 that before. what i am saying is that i dont see bhai randir singh ji to be a brahmgiani as he did not accept Guru Granth Sahib Ji as complete. BUT BUT BUT, this is not to say that he did not become brahmgiani after learning that Raagmala is baani.

i am not starting anything against akj or a raagamal debate.

VaahegurooJeeKaaKhaalsaa, VaahegurooJeeKeeFaateh!

I dont like getting involved in these topic but I will today its gone to far. If you read bhai sahibs autobiography Bhai Vir Singh jee who wrote sundri has clearly said that Bhai Randhir Singh was the most truthful and honest gursikhswho had strict gursikhs principles. No offence to Khalistan Zindabad you have no right to spread these rumours.

Look at the massive contributions Bhai Sahib has made to the panth. He was honoured by the 5 jathedars of the 5 takhats. Secondly bhai sahibs spent 16 years in solidary confinement prisons. Thirdly the books bhai sahib has written Unduthiya dunia, charan kamal kee mauj, sachkhand darshan, dasum duar anhad shabad. Awesome contribution bhai sahib has made and experienced all these. Im sure Bhai Sahib would had admitted to all the singhs in the jatha if he changed his stance.

The last comment I am going to make satpunga singh is you dont see bhai sahib as brahgyani because he did'nt see guru granth sahib jee in the full saroop. You should watch what you say because if you flip the coin jatha singhs could say that raag mala which is kachi baani is in the same saroop as sachi baani. Therefore please keep your opinions to yourself.

Conclusion please dont offend great gurmukhs such as Bhai Sahib and stop making rumours about them because gursikhs will feel hurt. Secondly lets put our differences aside and work along side each other.

VaahegurooJeeKaaKhaalsa, VaahegurooJeeKeeFaateh!

VaahegurooJeeKaaKhaalsaa, VaahegurooJeeKeeFaateh!!

Amrit Vela is essential for every gursikh who takes amrit. Doing simran at amrit vela will lead you to doing simran throughout the day, as the vaaheguroo's dhuni will be repeating in your subconscious. Bhai Rama Singh in his autobiography describes amrit vela simran as winding the clock so the simran continues throughout the day.

Missing amrit vela simran is like a dominos affect because if you miss amrit vela simran, that means Vaaheguroo's dhuni will not being going on in your sub conscious throughout the day, therefore your leaving your mind unguarded, so the punj doot will attac you i.e Lust and anger. Lust and anger will lead to your mind having unpure thoughts i.e swearing, fighting and kaami activites. This will then lead to sinful actions, which could stain your mind and affect your spirtuality.

There is a weakness in the panth as the importance of naam simran has been lost. This then leads to weaknesses in rehit and personal jeevan. Therefore before taking amrit I recommend you build your amrit vela routine up. So start with doing 5 mins simran and nitnaam. Then slowly build your simran time up everyday by increasing your simran by 2 minutes. Eventually your aim is to do 2 hours naam abyiaas everyday with guru jee's kirpaa. The main thing is you enjoy the simran your doing and dont put too much pressure on your mind. Take your time and have patience. Also try to find gursikhs who you can meet up with at amrit vela and do simran with. This will help you loads!!

Why did 5 babbars want to remove sant jee and 200 other singhs out of guru nanak nivas doesnt make sense.

I know of sant balwant singh, he is a pooran brahm gyanee. The only idiots here are the three who posted above me.

VaahegurooJeeKaaKhaalsaa, VaahegurooJeeKeeFaateh!

I think the sangat of the panth has become a joke. Any new baba who appears in Punjab becomes to be known as a Sant or Brahmgyani. Everyone here needs to read Bhai Gurdas Jee's vaara and truly understand who a sant or Brahmgyani is. The true sants and brahmgyanis come into the sangat and remain hidden within the sangat and no one can really tell they are true sants. What happens now is a "Baba" comes into sangat, with a white kurta and white gol dastar, does a little bit of keertan and dharnaa and automatically gets the title sant blah blah Singh.

Bhai Gurdas Jee was a gurmukh pyara of Guru Sahibs times, Bhai Gurdaas jee had easily reached the pinnacles of sikhi sehaj avasta - Dasum Duar and had much more kamai than the modern day so called brahmgyanis. Guru Sahib even asked bhai sahib to include his vaara into guru granth sahib jee, however bhai sahib had refused. The point I am making look at the avasta Bhai Gurdas Jee reached, however Gurdas was still referred to as BHAI Gurdas Jee, not Sri 108 Brahmgyani Mahapursh Sant Gurmukh Bhai Gurdas Jee. Look at Baba Budha Jee, Bhai Mani Singh, Bhai Tara Singh, all referred to as bhai not sant or Brahmgyani.

The panth needs to learn from this mistake otherwise these so called "Baba or Brahmgyanis" will become Baba Maan Singh's Pehowale's. Baba Maan Singh started as a naam japana wala singh, but when sangat started respecting him, haumai got to him and he got charged with rape. I could name many more baba.

On the side note there are gurmukhs and Sants in the panth who have amazing jeevans. However the majority are not.

Phul chuk Maaf.