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19 hours ago, caveman said:

What he said. 

Moreover, For some reason admins around a decade ago allowed their personal beliefs to dictate what could be discussed and what could not. Many topics were blocked. 

Some members with their pack  mentality didn't like to hear members with different views and beliefs. 

 

That’s true but forums like Sikh Awareness who allow open discussions have also seen a hit in the amount of traffic.  

7 hours ago, ipledgeblue said:

no, SGPC is in Panjab. In Pakistan, Haryana and Delhi they have their own committees, not sgpc. But generally, SGPC still controls the rehit maryada of Singh sabha related gurdwaras all over the world.

That's the point, the influence is East African, so what is the Ramgharia label there for, if no one is going to try to be an actual Ramgharia misl Singh?

Please explain the reason why so many East africa sikhs are attracted towards sikh groups such as PKMC (the jathebandi of Guru Maneyo Granth gurdwara), Naamdharis and their own home grown Nishkam Sewak jatha, as well some other Sants and groups?

I do feel Guru Maneyo Granth gurdwara sikhs are chardi kala, and spread a lot sikhi knowledge, promote simran,  do a lot of positive stuff for sikh children. I can understand why Singh Sabha Slough youth are attracted to GMG because PKMC seems an offshoot of the AKJ style sikhi many of their families follow.  However some things worry me, like the cult following of Bhai Ajit Singh, which I guess is like following a Sant but something is nagging me. Also the type of simran he makes the sangat do on Sundays, it's not the right kind of sehaj awastha and seems full of krodh, I get a krodhi vibe from him as well and he seems to mispronounce bani often as I have seen him do on some Youtube videos from Singh Sabha Southall, and that is a red flag!!!  One good thing is they do promote bana, even though they don't understand the maryada of not wearing a pajama with your bana =D

Also when I used to work on Bath Road Slough, I used to visit Guru Maneyo Granth gurdwara and there was someone doing simran usually. However they were pronouncing Waheguru in a weird way, and I just want to pronounce Waheguru normally such as the pronunciation in Bhai Gurdas ji Vaaran . Another positive, I stayed for Sodar Rehras once and granthi read full kabyo baach benti Chaupai. No idea if this is regular, but I hope so. I have been to Singh Sabha and Ramgharia gurdwaras, and they just do the silly Chaupai Sahib kabyo baach benti cutoff during Rehras.

no, fixo isn't bajjar kurahit, but it is against puraatan maryada and wouldn't be allowed in Ramgharia misl. Their "high" awastha is still not at the level of an asli Ramgharia Singh, and therein lies the problem with using the label across gurdwaras in the uk (Is this Ramgharia gurdwara label use outside uk anywhere as well?). Basically, what I am saying is to the sangat is "you talk the talk, now walk the walk"

The worst thing that comes out of this is, tk sikhs or east africa sikhs who call themselves Ramgharia with a trim beard or haircut. I know a haircut sikh from East Africa background, I think his grandpa was a rich sikh (unsure if he was a Singh) in Kenya, who owned a steelworks. And the grandson said he himself is Ramgharia. Is said no you're not, Ramgharia is a label for misl Singhs who keep their kesh and wear bana. He goes Ramgharia gurdwara every sunday, but I don't think this makes him a misl member lol. Worse, some years ago, this person also told me I should trim my beard to look more presentable, we can't have people like this call themselves Ramgharia? I think it also gave me an insight into where the trim Singh mentality comes from. I think there's a mentality of choosing presentability over sikhi - to fixo or trim the bread and wear a turban like a hat, to please the gora. Most of our ancestors are guilty of trying to please the gora, no matter if we stayed in Panjab, or migrated to Africa or uk.

Another incident, when I was younger and trying to learn turban, a tk Uncle close to my family (I don't think he was/is East Africa sikh, but many tk sikh families in uk are influenced by east africa sikhs) gave me a starched ready made turban. So this is another issue that is against maryada, to make your turban ready made and wear it like a hat. We do have this problem in Panjab as well, but it's not visible like it is in East Africa sikhs, and perhaps Afghan sikhs are guilty of this too?

In an ideal world, Ramgharia gurdwaras would follow Dal Panth maryada. In reality it has become synonymous with the sub caste tharkhan.  

Technically the fixo singhs aren’t doing a bajar kurehth, and some have a very high avastha, especially from the older generation 

It’s not a taksali gurdwara as such but the panj pyarae that get invited to hold the Amrit Sanchars follow taksali maryada. 

Taksal maryada is followed as Guru Har Rai gurdwara West Bromwich.

I went to Rome earlier on this month and you have to go through security checks when visiting the Vatican museum.  When we went through the metal detector it buzzed but the security guard was pretty relaxed and asked us if we had any metal object on us.  We pointed to our kara's but did not display our kirpans and he was happy for us to go through.

There were also security checks to enter the roman forum and the guards here were also pretty relaxed.

There were also security checks before entering the Colosseum.   The security guard here asked us to remove our kareh but we said that they don't come off.  They then got one of us to walk through the metal detector but keep the hand with the kara on out of it so that they can check if you have any metal on your body.  Luckily the first member of our group was only wearing a kara and no kirpan, so he went through without setting off the metal detector.  Because of this the security guard then let the rest of us with kirpans on through without searching us.

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