GillAUS

Not a Sikh-Muslim issue? Oh please...

Take a look at the latest happenings:

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-c...-agency-szh--08

Of course we believe in 'Sarbat Da Bhalla', but it doesnt help when in the background they are yelling 'kafir' and imposing a jazia.

Some of the replies this thread has gotten has astounded me.

All those people writing comments such as 'oh he was wearing an indian top/flag, he deserved it' or 'oh he was drinking a beer, he deserved it' should seriously get their heads out of their backsides.

Firstly, leave it to God and Guru ji to judge the individual's Sikhi - that's not for us to do.

Secondly, like it our not, such people are also Sikhs. We should be helping other Sikhs out, not deriding them for their individual practices. Hey, maybe if you help them out, it could give them some encouragement to become better Sikhs?

Come on guys, with this kind of attitude, no wonder these Pakis think they can get the upper hand!

Wake up ppl.

Exactly - while Sikhi is of course a distinct religion, it's birth took place in the Indian sub-continent.

Therefore, as with other religions such as Buddhism and Jainism, we all share a culture with the other oldest Indian religion, Hinduism.

The Abrahamic faiths are also in a similar position as they were all born in the Middle-East.

As long as Sikhs know who we are and that we are indeed distinct (teesra panth as described by Guru ji), there is no reason to be Hinduphobic - being that way just shows insecurity.

Of course you are right - racism/casteism will take different forms in different environments depending on demographics.

But with the Sikh community comprising mainly of people from Punjab, we need to look in our own backyard first (and this of course goes beyond just Jatts, but for all 'castes'/groups which comprise the Sikh community).

Moreover, if you really want to go back to the root of it all, blame Rishi Manu, author of the Manu Smitri! (and yes, he would most likely be a Brahmin)

Try the link now:

http://www.india-seminar.com/2001/508/508%...s.%20jodhka.htm

While it might not be unequivocal, here's something I have come across:

Though the institution of caste has survived in the region, the frameworks of caste hierarchy developed elsewhere do not always help us understand its functioning or dynamics in a region like Punjab. Perhaps the most striking aspect of the practice of caste in rural Punjab/Sikh society is that it functions without the presence of, what is considered as the most important actor in the system, viz. the brahmins. Though brahmins as a caste community do exist in Punjab, they are ritually important only for the urban upper caste Hindus, who numerically constitute a small proportion of the population of the state.³

^{(Taken from http://www.india-seminar.com/2001/508/508%....%20jodhka.htm)}

^{Anyone who has some knowledge about rural Punjabi society knows that the Brahmin is of hardly any importance.}

^{With Punjab being a primarily rural society throughout history, it is safe to say that societal divisions are not governed by the laws of the Brahmin. If it were, Jatts would also be shudras!}

^{Lastly, by ourselves I mean the Sikh community - time for us to wake up and stop coming up with conspiricy theories. We're beginning to sound worse than the Muslims with their blaming of Mossad/CIA for everything.}

I heard that Brahmins shot JFK as well?

On a serious note, I think when it comes to caste-based discrimination, we have no one but ourselves to blame.

The sooner we wake up to that fact, the quicker things will get rectified.

Brahmins on a whole have never held any influence in Punjab as they had in other parts of India. They were often employed as cooks for the most part!

Taken from http://www.sikhlionz.com/bababudhaji.htm

Bhai Budha occupies a unique position in Sikh history. He applied tilak of guruship to five Gurus, saw seven Gurus and remained in close association with first six Sikh Gurus from 1521 to 1628 for over one hundred years. He was the first priest of Han Mandar, and laid the foundations of Dera Baba Nanak and most of the holy buildings at Amritsar. His original name was Bura. He was born on October 22, 1506 A.D. His father's name was Sugha Randhawa and mother's Gauran. They lived in Kathu Nangal village of Amritsar District. After some time they settled down in Dhalla village not far away from river Ravi opposite Kartarpur.

Shock horror!!

Later on Nanak decided to nominate his successor. He chose Bhai Lehna for this purpose. One day the Guru held a special langar and then a durbar. He placed a coconut and five paise before Bhai Lehna, called him Angad and appointed him the next Guru. At the Guru's bidding Bhai Budha applied the tilak on Angad's forehead.

Some of the blind Hinduphobia and historic revisionism in the Panth astounds me.

However, with that being said, I don't think applying tilaks to Sri Guru Granth Sahib would fall within any established maryada.

it might be the caste isuue. high caste sikhs unable to put up with common gore and common gore blaming every desi for that..errr these jatts.

Ummm ok? I don't think castes or Jatts are to blame for these incidents.

Found this in regards to the Harris Park protests:

http://www.smh.com.au/national/harris-park...90610-c2z0.html

Looks quite intense.

There's a bunch of videos of it up on Youtube as well.

Let's hope the police finally wake up and do they're jobs and stop giving the Lebanese carte blanche to harrass whoever they want.

lucky this didnt happen in sydney otherwise it could get ugly. things are already tense between desis and lebanese in here.

Read about that in the news. These Lebanese thugs cause trouble for everyone. They have no respect for anyone or anything but their own kind. You could probably say their even more racist than the Anglo-Australians.

Latest incident to occur, this time involving a Sikh's dastaar:

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0...5006301,00.html