singh_soldier

http://www.sridasam.org/dasam?Action=Page&...t&id=102706 ਚੌਪਈ ॥ चौपई ॥ CHAUPAI ਤਿਆਗ ਦਯੋ ਰਨ ਤ੍ਰਾਸ ਬਢਾਯੋ ॥ ਕਿਨਹੂੰ ਨ ਤਿਰ ਜੋ ਜੁੱਧੁ ਮਚਾਯੋ ॥ ਚਿਤ ਸਭਹੂੰ ਇਹ ਭਾਂਤਿ ਬਿਚਾਰਯੋ ॥ ਇਹ ਨਹੀ ਮਰੈ ਕਿਸੂ ਤੇ ਮਾਰਯੋ ॥੧੫੪੯॥ तिआग दयो रन त्रास बढायो ॥ किनहूं न तिर जो जु्धु मचायो ॥ चित सभहूं इह भांति बिचारयो ॥ इह नही मरै किसू ते मारयो ॥१५४९॥ They abandoned the war and become fearful; none of them went forward to fight with the king; all of them thought that this king would not be killed by anyone.1549. ਤਬ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੇ ਹਰਿ ਨਿਕਟਿ ਉਚਾਰਯੋ ॥ ਜਬ ਸਗਲੋ ਦਲ ਨ੍ਰਿਪਤ ਸੰਘਾਰਯੋ ॥ਜਬ ਲਗਿ ਇਹ ਤੇਤਾ ਕਰ ਮੋ ਹੈ ॥ ਤਬ ਲਗ ਬੱਜ੍ਰ ਸੂਲ ਧਰ ਕੋ ਹੈ ॥੧੫੫੦॥ तब ब्रहमे हरि निकटि उचारयो ॥ जब सगलो दल न्रिपत संघारयो ॥जब लगि इह तेता कर मो है ॥ तब लग ब्ज्र सूल धर को है ॥१५५०॥ Then Brahma seeing all the army of Krishna having died, he said to Krishna, he said to Krishna, "Till the time, he has the charmed amulet in his hand, the vajra and trident are insignificant before him.1550. ਤਾ ਤੇ ਇਹੈ ਕਾਜ ਅਬ ਕੀਜੈ ॥ ਭਿੱਛਕਿ ਹੋਇ ਮਾਂਗ ਸੋ ਲੀਜੈ ॥ ਮੁਕਟ ਰਾਮ ਤੇ ਜੋ ਇਹ ਪਾਯੋ ॥ ਸੋ ਇੰਦ੍ਰਾਦਿਕ ਹਾਥ ਨ ਆਯੋ ॥੧੫੫੧॥ ता ते इहै काज अब कीजै ॥ भि्छकि होइ मांग सो लीजै ॥ मुकट राम ते जो इह पायो ॥ सो इंद्रादिक हाथ न आयो ॥१५५१॥ Therefore now becoming a beggar, beg this from him; the crown that he has obtained from Ram, it could not be obtained by Indra etc.1551. ਜਬ ਤੇ ਤਾ ਇਹ ਕਰ ਤੇ ਲੀਜੈ ॥ ਤਬ ਯਾ ਕੋ ਬਧ ਛਿਨ ਮਹਿ ਕੀਜੈ ॥ਜਿਹ ਉਪਾਇ ਕਰ ਤੇ ਪਰਹਰੈ ॥ ਤਉ ਕਦਾਂਚ ਨ੍ਰਿਪ ਮਰੈ ਤੋੁ ਮਰੈ ॥੧੫੫੨॥ जब ते ता इह कर ते लीजै ॥ तब या को बध छिन महि कीजै ॥जिह उपाइ कर ते परहरै ॥ तउ कदांच न्रिप मरै तोु मरै ॥१५५२॥ When you will take away the amulet from his hand, you will then be able to kill him in an instant; if he abandons it from his hand through any method, then he can be killed at any time."1552. ਚੌਪਈ ॥ चौपई ॥ CHAUPAI ਯੋ ਸੁਨਿ ਹਰਿ ਦਿਜ ਬੇਖ ਬਨਾਯੋ ॥ ਮਾਂਗਨ ਤਿਹ ਪੈ ਹਰਿ ਬਿਧਿ ਆਯੋ ॥ਤਬ ਤਿਨ ਸਯਾਮ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਲਖਿ ਲੀਨੋ ॥ ਸਯਾਮ ਕਹੈ ਇਸ ਊਤਰ ਦੀਨੋ ॥੧੫੫੩॥ यो सुनि हरि दिज बेख बनायो ॥ मांगन तिह पै हरि बिधि आयो ॥तब तिन सयाम ब्रहम लखि लीनो ॥ सयाम कहै इस ऊतर दीनो ॥१५५३॥ Hearing this, Krishna and Brahma put on the garb of a Brahmin and went to beg the amulet from him; then on begging, he(Kharag Singh) recognised Krishna and Brahma and according to the poet he said;1553. ਖੜਗੇਸ਼ ਬਾਚ ॥ खड़गेश बाच ॥ Speech of Kharag Singh: ਸਵੈਯਾ ॥ सवैया ॥ SWAYYA ਬੇਖ ਕੀਓ ਹਰਿ ਬਾਮਨ ਕੋ ਬਲ ਬਾਵਨ ਜਿਉ ਛਲਬੇ ਕਹੁ ਆਯੋ ॥ ਰੇ ਚਤੁਰਾਨਨ ਤੂ ਬਸਿ ਕਾਨਨ ਕਾ ਕੇ ਕਹੇ ਤਪਿਸਾ ਤਜਿ ਧਾਯੋ ॥ बेख कीओ हरि बामन को बल बावन जिउ छलबे कहु आयो ॥ रे चतुरानन तू बसि कानन का के कहे तपिसा तजि धायो ॥ O Krishna (Vishnu) ! you have put on the garb of a Brahmin and have come to deceive me like the king Bali; O B ਧੂਮ ਤੇ ਆਗਰ ਹੈ ਨ ਦੁਰੀ ਜਿਮ ਤਿਉ ਛਲ ਤੇ ਤੁਮ ਕੋ ਲਖਿ ਪਾਯੋ ॥ਮਾਂਗਹੁ ਜੋ ਤੁਮਰੇ ਮਨ ਮੈ ਅਬ ਮਾਂਗਨਹਾਰੇ ਕੋ ਰੂਪ ਬਨਾਯੋ ॥੧੫੫੪॥ धूम ते आगर है न दुरी जिम तिउ छल ते तुम को लखि पायो ॥मांगहु जो तुमरे मन मै अब मांगनहारे को रूप बनायो ॥१५५४॥ Just as the fire cannot be concealed by smoke, in the same manner, seeing you, I have understood your act of deceit; when you people have come in the garb of a beggar, then beg from me according to you heart`s desire.1554. ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥ दोहरा ॥ DOHRA ਜਬ ਇਹ ਬਿਧਿ ਸੋ ਨ੍ਰਿਪ ਕਹਯੋ ਕਹੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਜਸੁ ਲੇਹੁ ॥ ਜੱਗ ਅਨਲ ਤੇ ਜੋ ਮੁਕਟਿ ਉਪਜਿਓ ਸੋ ਮੁਹਿ ਦੇਹੁ ॥੧੫੫੫॥ जब इह बिधि सो न्रिप कहयो कही ब्रहम जसु लेहु ॥ ज्ग अनल ते जो मुकटि उपजिओ सो मुहि देहु ॥१५५५॥ When the king said like this to Brahma, then Brahma said, "O king! Become praiseworthy and give me the crown that had come out of the fire of Yajna."1555. ਜਬ ਚਤੁਰਾਨਨ ਯੋਂ ਕਹੀ ਪੁਨਿ ਬੋਲਿਓ ਜਦੁਬੀਰ ॥ ਗਉਰਾਂ ਤੇ ਤਾ ਤੇਹਿ ਦਯੋ ਸੋ ਮੁਹਿ ਦੈ ਨ੍ਰਿਪ ਧੀਰ ॥੧੫੫੬॥ जब चतुरानन यों कही पुनि बोलिओ जदुबीर ॥ गउरां ते ता तेहि दयो सो मुहि दै न्रिप धीर ॥१५५६॥ When Brahma had begged it, then Krishna spoke, "Give me the amulet that had been given to you by the goddess Chandi."1556. ਚੌਪਈ ॥ चौपई ॥ CHAUPAI ਤਬ ਨ੍ਰਿਪ ਮਨ ਕੋ ਇਹ ਬਿਧਿ ਕਹੈ ॥ ਰੇ ਜੀਅ ਜੀਯਤ ਨ ਚਹੁ ਜੁਗ ਰਹੈ ॥ਤਾਂ ਤੇ ਧਰਮ ਢੀਲ ਨਹਿ ਕੀਜੈ ॥ ਜੋ ਹਰਿ ਮਾਂਗਤ ਸੋ ਇਹ ਦੀਜੈ ॥੧੫੫੭॥ तब न्रिप मन को इह बिधि कहै ॥ रे जीअ जीयत न चहु जुग रहै ॥तां ते धरम ढील नहि कीजै ॥ जो हरि मांगत सो इह दीजै ॥१५५७॥ Then the king thought in his mind that he had not to live for four ages, therefore he should not delay in this task of Dharma and the things that Brhma and Krishna are begging, he should give them.1557.

His name is Kartar Singh and he lives in a village near Ludhiana. He worked as an accountant in some bicycle company, now has retired and is about 62 years of age. The point I am trying to make is how the CLEVER USTATT(praise) of the baba has made the local sangat MENTALLY SLAVE. If a rehitvaan singh from Budha Dal or Damdami Taksal goes to them, they will say that "you are just a sadharan sikh, u are not a saint and our baba is equal to 500 saints". They use the name of Baba Isher Singh Jee for this 500 saints thing. The clever ustatt of the chelaas has ruined the Khalsa Panth.

I tried to to talk to one of the sangat members that this baba is spreading wrong information about Sri Dasam Granth. This is what the person told me : "you are going to go to NARAK and ur tongue will be cut. You slander our baba jee who has kamayee of 500 sants. You are nuthing in front of this Mahapurash. You are just an aam aadmi, a lowly wordly praani who is filled with hankaar and has no respect for mahapurash". I got a bit angry and I told him that I will remove the khoppri/head of this baba and his chelaas with my gandassa/axe as my axe is a Satyugi axe which was used by Bavan Avtar to kill the demons. :D

There are large number of amrithdharis who get up at amritvela (around 2.30 am) and work hard during the day to earn bread for their family. But there is a person near to my house who does not do any job and can sleep after his amritvela. He gets up at 12.30 am instead of 2.30 am. He has a gang of 10-15 chellaas who are 24/7 doing his ustatt that our baba jee's amritvela starts at 12.30. Then this baba claims that he did sangat of SAnt Baba Isher Singh Jee Rara Sahib Vale who told him that he has the naam kamayee equal to 500 sants. His chelaaas are 24/7 praising their baba jee and large number of people have started to treat this baba as almost 11th sikh guru. The CLEVER ustattt of chelaas has made lots of sangat completely submit before this baba in their mind. Now, this baba has started to speak against Sri Dasam Granth. The sangat believes him WITHOUT DOUBT. He has also made some chellaas from UK and Canada and has got half his family settled abroad. He claims that all his sons/grandsons are shaheed singhs who fought in Guru Gobind Singh Jee's army. We all know about the harmful effects of nindiya/slandering but its the CLEVER USTATT by the chelaas that has RUINED THE PANTH. These chelaas are a burden on earth. Instead of making people connect with the True Satguru Granth Sahib Jee, these chelaas make people submit before their baba jee.

huh :o whatever happened to just shouting shhhhhhhhhuuuuuuuuuu or hatt pare It might look funny but this is a serious thing and it can happen to ANYBODY and it will be really EMBARRASING. A gang of 4-5 street dogs is a DANGEROUS SITUATION and a large majority of us will get scared. It was just due to the axe that I was feeling ok in my mind. If i was without gandassa, i would have surely got scared or might have even shouted.

what if there is a group of 4-5 street dogs attacking u ??? U need an AXE OR GANDASSAA to be saved. In India, street dogs are everywhere and it will be really embarrasing to see an amritdhari singh getting scared of dogs.

This is NOT what I meant. The people of previous yuggs did have higher moral and ethics but they were still under the noose of maya. They were more sato-gunni than kaliyugi people but even the sato gunn is an attribute of Maya. The religions they followed were false and were unable to remove the chains of Maya. However, there were some who meditated on one God and performed good actions. These people were very few and they were saved by Satguru. The honour of draupadi was saved by Satguru Nanak. (its mentioned in bhattaan de svaiye in Guru Granth Sahib Jee).

Some months back, I was going to Sri Harmandir Sahib to do ishnaan at amrtivela. I was walking in the small streets and had an amritdhari singh with me. There was a group of 4-5 street dogs who were attacking every person walking near to them. Luckily, I had saphajang (an axe) with me. It was the big shastar i was having, but the singh with me dint have any big shastar. I had no fear of the dogs, but the dogs feared my axe. But they attacked the other singh and he got afraid and shouted like other people. It was so embarasing to see an amritdhari shouting like kids and being afraid of dogs. It left a very bad impression on the other people on the street.

singh_soldier (May peace be upon him) speaks TRUTH. :D

India is on the way to TERRIBLE DESTRUCTION with energy shortages, water shortages, drought, rise of moists, taliban, etc. in the future, the fortunate hindus will become sikhs others will either convert to islam/christianity or they will die in massive rioting and civil war that will break in India Whatever I am saying IS GOING TO HAPPEN. Take my words seriously.

This topic might sound unimportant for many but this world is just a TAMASHA. It takes few minutes for things to go wrong. Here is a possible situation : California has large punjabi population but California is on the way to destruction. Economy is going down the drains and climate is worsening. Lets say anarchy breaks in california due to food and oil shortages. At the same time Al-quaeda attacks US in a terrorist attack and things get worsen. At the same time, mexican border becomes loose and thousands and thousands of poor mexicans enter into US. There is massive rioting, murders, rapes. Sikhs will be connected via Guru Ghars. The sikh leaders will appeal to punjabis to chakk amrit and be shastardhari. There will be massive amrit sanchars. Many monaas will decide to chakk amrit. There will be THOUSANDS of sangat who want to chakk amrit. But can we chakk amrit without the 5 kakaars ????????? It will be FOOLISH that people wont be able to chakk amrit just because kakaars are not available. That will be a shame on sikh leaders.

It seems to me that most of the kirpans, karaas, kanghaas are shiped from India to the west. It has become a sort of business. Waht if there is a war and this shipment stops. Can we make our kakaars in the time of need ?? Are any sikh youth (especially in the west) able to make kirpans, karaas and other shastars. During the times of war(there might be large scale wars in the future), sikhs wil have massive amrit sanchars, but can we make kakaars locally in short time ????

Baba Seechewal is certainly doing a great seva but its time for sikhs to copy and paste his works in Gurughars all over the world. The goraas in the west are getting aware of energy shortages, food shortages, climate change, its time we sikhs get aware and actually make our Gurdwaras green and self sufficient.

Satguru Nanak has been present THROUGHOUT THE FOUR YUGGS. In Kaliyug, they decided to come to earth via body to teach humanity via actions and to bring Gurbani to this world. It was Satguru Nanak who saved the honour of draupadi via krishan (read bhattan de swaiyiye which were written in praise of Guru Sahibaan). Krishan and ram were mortals who had powers but could not kill their ego. Gursikhs reach Sachkhand whereas krishan and ram are limited to giaan khand. Gursikhs are WAY higher than krishan and ram. Krishan and ram are not even pair de jutti of gursikhs like Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh and Baba Jarnail Singh KHalsa. Even a simple rehitvaan shaheed singh reaches karam khand but krishan and ram could only reach giyaan khand and are constantly under the noose of Mighty Kaal.

The whole world is ours, we need to take care of it. "Pavan Guru, Pani Pita, Mata Dharat Mahat..." yea, and we need to start making our Guru-Ghars GREEN, SIMILAR TO NIHANG CHAUUNIS. Guru ghars shud have beautiful gardens where food can be grown. The sangat shud be served with FRESH FOOD, instead of the poisonous food we get in big cities.

Bundha, Nobody is questioning whether u are a lesser sikh etc.. the point of discussion is that Sri Dasam Granth DOES NOT praise Krishan. Krishan Avataar is just story re-written in poetry form. Sikhs need to treat krishan, ram, jesus, mohammad just as mortals who did good and bad things (just like any other mortals). We neither praise them nor we slander them.

Bundha, u there ??

U might not be related to RSS but u seem to be effected by the RSS literature. RSS is trying to hinduize the sikh faith and calls the period of singh sabha movement under the british rule as abrahamization of sikh faith. As long as u dont attack the sikh faith, u are most welcome.

ok so you don't particularly like me. lol but I hope you can accept people with slightly different opinions than yourself, if your faith is strong. You shall have no problem in coexisting with those who tread a slightly different path. I have been on this forum since 2005, the least you can do is show me a bit of respect for having been part of this community for 4 years and having contributed through its ebbs and tides. I think that is human courtesy. To all, I need your love and positive attention. Please do not direct any hateful messages towards me. thank you. Raju, No one is showing disrespect towards u. You are attacking sikh faith by saying that britishers influenced the abrahaminization of sikhi. Thats a direct attack on sikh faith. Singh Sabha Movement helped in getting rid of hinduization of sikhi. We as sikhs respect the right of every individual to practice his faith but that does not mean we will tolerate others attacking/interfering into our faith.

Where are the moderators ?? Raju is just spoiling this thread with his RSS views about how Britishers and the singh sabha movement abrahamized sikhi. This thread is just about the FACT that Krishan is called a LOWLY WORM in Sri Dasam Granth. Keet means worm and its very easy to understand this.

Where are the moderators ?? Raju is just spoiling this thread with his RSS views about how Britishers and the singh sabha movement abrahamized sikhi. This thread is just about the FACT that Krishan is called a LOWLY WORM in Sri Dasam Granth. Keet means worm and its very easy to understand this.

I think this is a unfair assesment of Hindus. All Hindus are bad. In fact, there is no such thing as a Hindu religion. Meaning unlike Sikhi ,Hinduism is not a monolithic religion with set values. There are all different kinds of Hindus whos values/beliefs/customs are very diverse. Only the Hindu Fanatics like the RSS have tryed to make Hinduism into a uniformal religion. These morons have even gone to the extent of trying to include CHristians, Muslims ,and Sikhi into the Hindu fold. Its obvious that these moorakhs have lost the plot. U dint understand what I am saying. The GHOR SINFUL ACTIVITIES OF RSS is going to power the islamic militant organizations to create more havoc in India in the future. Its just a karmic thing. If India gets into trouble, punjabis and sikhs will have troubled times too but its all happening in the Will of God. India in the last 60 years has collected HUGE HUGE NEGATIVE KARMA. This negative karma is going to lead to the destruction of India in the near future.

The RSS guys are going to suffer from the sinful karmaas. In the last 1 year, islamic militant organizations have become more powerful. Taliban is rising and is getting nearer to India. US is losing its superpower status which is allowing the rise of Taliban and other militant organizations. I have a strong feeling that in the future HINDUISM WILL GET EXTINCT FROM THE PLANET as the future is going to be similar to what used to happen 300-400 years back. It will be about the survival of the fittest, bravest and toughest. Hindus will either die or they will convert to Islam.

What I am trying to say is that the sikh youth need to see the BIGGER picture. The greed of the rich people, big corporations puts pressure on the "democratic" governments to do immoral invasions. The wars against "terror" are more of wars for oil. We need to understand how this world is working ( Maoists know it very well). The freedom of Punjab, the fight against false sadhs and sants is linked with environmental issues, energy shortages.

I doubt you even know yourself sunshine. Let alone me or anyone else. have seen this and worse, folks channelling hatred and narrow-mindedness as religious discourse. For you broad-mindedness of someone else means I am supposed to listen patiently to all inane carp and you will not allow me to spout my own carp. it goes both ways. but hey, you have already labeled me a 'moorakh' for even daring to argue with your eminence. The only reason for my participating in this discussion was so that I gave even a narrow-minded, religious chauvinists a chance to express themselves and see whether there is merit in what they say. Waited and waited and yet found nothing. I am sure there is nothing to be missed here. So be it. Hard Kaur Warriorz, its my advice as a fellow sikh that u ignore this raju guy. He is just spoiling threads on this forum. You seem to be a young smart intelligent western born sikh woman. Debating with guys like Raju will only give u sorrow and will only waste ur time.