Cisco_Singh

High membership fees. Of course, how else will the Gurdwara management committee be able to purchase their S Class Mercedes's and fund the extensions of their properties ?

If they cannot raise this money from membership fees, they will have to consider building party halls and carrying out sham inter faith anand karaj ceremonies...

Even before he was force fed he had still broken the world record for being on a hunger strike by some margin. In fact the margin was at such a level that it was actually physically impossible for a human to be on hunger strike anywhere near that long and still be alive.

And therein lies the problem. The authorities there (India) see us as gimmicky sort of people not to be taken seriously and we do nothing to dispel that viewpoint when one after the other some (we had 3 or 4 in a row) some of or men go on hunger strikes that are not even hunger strikes at all.

Agreed, the length of time the "hunger strikes" are alleged to have gone on for are physically impossible.

Secondly a video went viral of Surat Singh eating various different foods and even asking if the food was home cooked. This is far from "force feeding", of course the explanation given was trust he was injected with a cocktail of drugs by the authorities that makes him forget his mission and makes him start eating food....

Of course the authorities will not take you seriously, hunger strikes do not work, Gurbaksh Singh x2, Surat Singh, what's the results so far ???

Does anyone know what had happened with Surat Singh Khalsa morcha and hunger strike to free Singh's that have completed their jail terms ?

I haven't heard anything on Sikh media for a while on this issue it seems to have gone silent. Has the morcha ended ?

I've been told she was groomed from an early age so maybe we should change the approach.

Looll... Howcome there's never any accountability by the girls that end up in these situations for their own actions ???

There's enough education out there and there have been several cases of grooming reported all over news for at least the last 3 years.

Ignorance is no excuse in this day and age. Dopey skets, cry "grooming" when they caught out...

The punjabis "Sikhs" that live in Smethwick are a strange bunch, generally not very intelligent backwards kind of people. They're parents were the same foundry/factory workers. A lot of the guys are alcoholics and druggies. Not the finest examples of UK Sikhs..

If muslims are putting there children into boxing mma an muay thai in heavy numbers what does that mean for sikh children who target sikh girls

Sikh gurdwaras need to partner with kash gill an other boxing muay thai an mma gyms an find ways to encourage sikhs to put there children into these gyms

They already do this, lions mma is one example.

Why kash gill ? Just because he's Indian ? Sikhs should try and learn from the best teachers available. This is why Maharajah Ranjit Singh hired European generals and had various ethnic races in his army . he didn't exclusively use Sikhs.

The problem is even with him now clearly coming out of the closet with his confession that he is working with RSS we still have apne who have no moral objection of "learning" from him even though they are only being used as a means of rasta basta. If their eyes are still not open because they refuse to open it then what can we say?

Not all of his students are apnay though, So they don't care about the politics aspect of "Rasta basta".

It's pretty much the same as any martial class I.e: they don't train you for free you pay per lesson. Rasta basta means you only pay what you can afford, if your broke you don't pay. As long as the costs of the running the classes is covered it doesn't matter how much each individual donates..I.e: it's not a set fee.

It's no different from the ignorant apnay who eat halal meat when part of the profits of such shops may indirectly fund terrorism..

What do the Nihangs believe this drink does for them? Is it a Spiritual concept or a Physical concept?

Both, the recipe is believed to have come directly from Guru Gobind Singh Ji himself in Nihang folklore. Also known as sukhnidaan or Sukha... Medicinal purposes include killing pain from injuries. These were times when there weren't such things as pain killers.

Look at rastafarah and some Hindu sadhus they still use cannabis to aid meditation.

all the muslim guys ensure they enrol their boys into fighting arts early , my daughter has a three year old pakistani lad in her jujitsu class , and other mums boast that their lads are doing boxing, muay thai ...if you learn to take the hits young , just like doing kirtan from a babe you don't flinch from doing it when older that's my observation.

The earlier you can instill martial discipline and skill the better. In puratan times as soon a woman was pregnant they would ask the mother to read chandi di vaar and other marital texts and ballads during pregnancy as they believed this would instill a martial mind set into the child developing in the womb.

Children were introduced to weapons and training at a very young age. In the autobiography of nawab kapur Singh, he recalls a game where as a child they would make two teams and try to take the other team prisoner, they would use live blades ! Nawab kapur Singh was injured as a child in such a game where he was cut with a khanda, it was thought he would not recover. He later went on become a great leader.

This was the importance given to a martial life style.

I guess we have progress with even discussing training.

Not long ago hordes of Amritdharis were under some illusion that they don't need to train to improve their fighting abilities as their paat would be enough to instantaneously give them superhuman strength when a violent situation or war suddenly ensued.

Agreed.. This mentality is still rife amongst Sikhs. They fail to understand the sant/sipahi, miri piri balance after equally add important.

There is complete neglect of physical fitness and martial training from the life style of most modern day Sikhs. The kirpan has been demoted from a shastar to a symbolic piece of clothing. Some people think it's ok to just wear a little kirpan on a necklace instead.

'There was talk of such a science of archery and stick fighting only a few years ago in the Punjab that listening of it the English-educated young men will consider it astonishing. In sincerity I believe present day young men might just consider these skills and Shastar Vidiya most likely impossible, because they have not even seen those bows nevermind stringing them. Like this, many sciences and skills after attaining their heights have declined. Before 1857 many quivers full of arrows, matchlocks, flintlock guns, swords, lances, spears, Sang, Katar, Pesh Kabz, pistols, shields etc., weapons, armour and many types of chainmail was found house to house, and all the people in their homes learned and taught Shastar Vidiya and became complete soldiers.

Now no one even speaks of these skills the sons of brave warriors are becoming engrossed in making money, even to us who have employed Shastar Vidiya, it is becoming a dream. In another fifty years or so, this Vidiya would have dried up and people will say it (past skills) were but, all lies'

('Twarikh Guru Khalsa', Giani Gian Singh Nirmala (1899) Vol.1, Pa. 36-37)

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

"We wouldn't be having these issues before the SGPC was formed"

Sure we did - they were called Mahants and were under colonial British government control. Hindu rituals incorporated into Gurdwaras, ancestral claim to Gurdwaras as personal property, and many other unsavory things. Unfortunately, the Gurdwara Act 1925 still maintained government oversight over Gurdwaras and transitioned from British corruption to Indian government corruption and interference.

"http://etheses.bham.ac.uk/3990/1/Riat13PhD.pdf" - pg. 122. I liked this. Read parts of it and it captured the problems of the post Raj period with Gurdwaras.

This is the main problem, governments should have no oversight over Sikh religious institutions. This is how Badal controls who is elected into SGPC , I.e: ensures they are his puppets.

Likewise Badal himself is a puppet of the Delhi abscission administration. At the time the Gurdwaras act was created the British controlled SGPC, when they left the Nehru/Gandhi brahministic stooges took control.

This along with the election system ingredients introduced by SGPC ultimately handed Sikh religious institutions into the hands of the governments...

Thing is, I think you may be less likely to be attacked by a trained martial artists because most (hopefully) would have imbibed some moral/ethical system from their martial art/training. So when you are randomly attacked it will more than likely be from some savage, brawling type bum.

The bum types are more unpredictable, you never know what they'll do.. I e: pick up bottles, glasses, bricks etc.. Not to mention that might be carrying knives and other weapons.

They will also kick, bite, headbutt, eye gouge etc etc.. Anything goes. Therefore asking someone to try and punch you like the guy in the video while but allowing them to use kicks , knees, groin strikes etc is a highly unrealistic scenario.

You can see in the video he complained when the guy stepped on his foot. That's a classic martial artist trick, trap the foot so your opponents movement is restricted allowing you take up a tactical position to launch your strike from.

Street fighting israeli street fighting krav maga an russian street dighting martial arts are the best when it comes to weapions an boxing an muay thai tends to be the best for fist fights

That shaster vidya stuff is a joke an is a

Choreography martial art with just untested theories

lot of those shaster vidya guys are pretty unfit compared to boxers

Shaster vidya is a waste of time cause its unproven theories that havnt bin tested to see if they work in a real life situation

That is why shaster vidya is lije most martial arts which are choreograohy martial arts

In a sparring session or real fight with trained boxer or muay thai fighter a person with shaster vidya bacjground is going to get hurt

Why shaster vidya is a joke is shown in this video an why it is just a choreography martial art is shown perfectly here

Now muay thai boxing you get to see if it works or not in real life situations cause you can actually test it

i would love see a video were shaster vidya students put there footwork an misalignment strategies.to a test by allowing random people to try hitting them like in this video

an sadly chances are shaster vidya students will just set them selves to get knocked out

So the random people trying to hit that guy were only allowed to throw punches.. Would have been a completely different story if knees, leg kicks , groin strikes were allowed. Also picking random unskilked bums off the street is one thing, try this against skilled person and see what happens.

You can still learn combat arts regardless of if you have a beard and kesh. Boxing is great for striking but does not allow usage of the majority of effective strikes because it is a sport orientated art not a combat art.

I'm talking about elbow strikes, eye gouging, groin strikes, back of the head strikes, kidney punches, small joint manipulation I.e: finger breaks, strangulation, joint breaks. Etc etc.

Techniques using the above are the base and core concepts of true combat arts.

There's no point training for sport, if you ever get attacked in the street you attacker will not be following any rules... More than likely there will more than one attacker, most sport arts simply do not cater for how to defend against multiple attackers.

I've said it many times find an art form and teacher that will teach you street effective combat forms with drills for real life situations.

One prime example is the Sikh dentist attacked in mould Wales, by a white supremacist nazi supporter in a supermarket he was attacked with a large blade and a hammer, this is reality, this is up what you can find yourself up against in the streets. Boxing alone or even mma will not help you , you need to learn effective use of weaponary and defence against attackers carrying weapons .

When Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj stood up on Vaisakhi 1699 and asked for a sacrifice... How many soormay, super brave jatts were among the blessed five that stepped forward...

Oh that's right not a single representative from the super duper brave hardcore jatt clans... Were they too sharabee to attend ?....

But are the RSS really a threat to Panjabis?

Actually maybe now, given that our lot have flabbed out and don't train or are skinny and drug raddled, maybe.

But raw talk, most of them RSS types wouldn't dare mess with a strong Panjabi.

It's our lot who have weakened themselves through laziness and bad habits.

Therein lies the issue, the physical fitness and sipahi lifestyle is all but lost amongst Sikhs today.

Even amritdharees, Akal purakh di fauj the majority of these guys are overweight, physically unfit , have zero martial knowledge and carry blunt kirpans.

A big overhaul is needed. That's why you see a few fat Punjab police officers easily beat the crap out of 100 punjabis with just lathis.

I'm just going to throw this in:

Personally, if what he (Niddar and his deputies) teaches is 'fit for purpose' i.e. good exercise and effective combat techniques, I'd say it would be worth training in it.

I'd also say that it being a modern, composite martial art is a plus, not a negative.

I don't see why people can't just train and get the benefits without taking on his theological world.

I mean hell, I remember I had this one Muslim maths teacher once who was a bit of tosser (probably a tad bit fundamentalist), but that didn't stop me learning what I could from him to help me pass my exams. Learning from him didn't turn me into a sullah.

I'd say that people who end up getting brainwashed (which is what people accuse him off) probably have weak, easily impressionable personalities to start with?

Yup, your right. You can separate the theology and other stuff from the art form. By learning kung fu from a buddhist monk you won't become Buddhist. Take what you need from whoever is the best at teaching it.

You do need to be weak minded and gullible to be brainwashed. Maybe the very young and other certain groups maybe vulnerable but your average half clued up person has nothing to fear.

Gatka is not a martial art suggesting as such is a decredit to the skills of our ancestors.

Why do you think the martial arts world laughs at Gatka. Have you ever seen any respected martial artist recognise and acknowledge Gatka ? Nope, why not ? Because it's a joke of an art. Incorrect length weapons, wrong weights of weapons, completely wrong usage of weapons

If you've ever held puratan shastar you will quickly realise they cannot be swung around like and utilised like gatkabaaj demonstrate , they're simply too heavy.

Add chainmail which purattan Singh's wore and see how able you able to jump around like a circus clown... Not to add the lsuch strikes which are completely out of combat range..

Only clowns with no martial knowledge are impressed by Gatka clowns.

Go and learn silat, eskrima, panantukan, systema, krabi krabong, jkd, Kali etc if I want to learn effective arts..

You could always directly contact the web master of the shastar Vidiya sheds sites, Nihang Teja Singh and ask him to confirm the authenticity and content of the letter. It could well be a doctored, edited version .

If the RSS portion is legit, then it looks like Nidar Singh has clearly lost the plot, using a Hindu right wing fascist racist organisation to help you such as the RSS which has openly stated that it seeks to turn India into a solely Hindu state is insane...

I still however maintain, that Gatka is a complete utter waste of time, and cannot be classified as a combat art. It is a dance act for performing circus clowns.. There are plenty of better arts to learn..

I think it's a controversy which happened when Ranjit Singh Dhadrianwale was younger which many people still hold a grudge over, (despite the Panth has forgiven him), on him accepting Mehta Tekhs to himself, (I don't know if it's true or not, but it was a very popular rumour). Also another part of this controversy was he was some false holy man who took people's money, (This has since been proven wrong), regardless whether we call him Sant or Bhai he still has been blessed to do Sewa of assisting people in finding Guru Sahib.

It's not a rumour its a fact the videos of Dhadrianwale are still widely available on youtube where he is sitting on a raised stage wearing a kalgi on his dastaar allowing a queue of people to matha tekh to him and giving him gifts while he talks on a mobile phone , many of these people are buzurag old people.

Parole is just a government scam, they tried this last time when gurbaksh singh was on his hunger strike.

They gave leave to Singh's who had already completed their sentences and promised the paper work for their full release would be completed while they were on leave so they would not return to jail...

Guess what, they all went back to jail and are still not released, it was all tactics to distract people...

MSG2 put on full release in Punjab after a big turnout of Dera followers at Badal's rally.

Nobody opposing this now ,after the Sarbat Khalsa leaders have been imprisoned.

http://indianexpress.com/article/cities/chandigarh/in-punjab-cinemas-bond-makes-way-for-msg-2/

Yup, sarbat Khalsa leaders in jail, the sell outswho didn't back sarbat Khalsa are doing nothing either , apparently they are under "house arrest" to make their sell out look more believable.