Guruji

and the bssf are definatly not someone who will give honest good direction and guidance apart from those weekly press releases

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=LBbjxq5JeB4

Please watch the following videos, excellent Vechar by Bhai Sukha Singh

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=vejimC1nlOs

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=i_CbJIefR5Y

An excellent intiative, please do more events like this, but dont associate with Dal Khalsa, they are against Gurmat, Sri Dasam Granth and are only good for releasing statements. Why do BSSF support Dal Khalsa UK.

Baba Santa Singh nor did budha dal help in the movement.

Indira Gandhi Paid them money to get akaal takht rebuilt after 84

Santa Singh openly went against Sant Jee and the karkoos as mentioned before.

In 1986 Sarbat Khalsa, took down the Government built Takht and rebuilt it with Kar Seva done by Baba Thakur Singh

They excommunicated Baba Santa Singh out the Panth.

In august 1986 Santa Singh held his own Sarbat Khalsa. Many Singhs of Budha Dal left him after 84.

Apparently in late 90s when Santa Singh became old Balbir singh took him to akaal takht, had a closed door meeting and he was given maafi. Not sure who was there, who wasnt, what he said or even if santa singh spoke - he wasnt well and cudnt speak much or even if the event happened. Did he ask for maafi against the singhs, against killings of singhs that he agreed with as was aligned with government. - doubt it

The budha Dal beleives there jathedar to be jathedar of akaal takht and they are the panth, so i dont understand why and how he could ask for maafi as they dont see the supremecy of akaal takht jathedar anyway. Baba Chet singh and all the Mukhis before them were and are highy respected.

In 1986 the sarbat khalsa, Akaal Takht Sahib, 5 member panthic commitee, Taksal and all other jathebandia jointly excommunicated Baba Santa Singh for helping the government rebuild akaal takht sahib and going against the khalsa panth by supporting indira gandhi. Statements by Baba Santa Singh were made against the Karkoo Singh and Sant Jarnail Singh, many members of the Dal Panth left him then. . . wasnt baba Surjeet Singh one of those who left?

Note - Baba Nihaal Singh and Baba Daya Singh both helped sant jarnail singh.

In august of 86 Santa Singh did his own Sarbat Khalsa.

In the 1990s he was forgiven apparently at akaal takht sahib - what did he ask maafee for? swearing at the karkoos or helping the government? - if it was only one of these and not both then i dont think the panth forgave him, a jathedar or a few politicians may have however. I may be wrong and if he did ask for maaffeee of everything, then there should not be an issue with him anymore.

No one is saying he has not got gyaan or didnt have kamai, it would have been better if the singhs just did baba chet singh jees barsi

Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh

Watch the below video at 47min to hear sant jarnail singh jees stance on baba Santa Singh, also present in the video is baba thakur singh, baba harnam singh rampurkhera valeh and sant baba nihaal singh - haria velah valeh. Programmes at Rampur khera

Sikhicamp - 23 - 28th august - most recommended, show satkar to guru jee, follow gurmat maryada, chilled out atmosphere, mix of sangat including lots of non amritdharis

Khalsa Camp 22 - 27th august. - mostly gursikhs associated to AKJ - good atmosphere, a bit intense and bit more deep, but you will only like it if your part of the jatha as per previous posters in years commments.

The Sikh Camp - Wudnt reccomend it, same people that organised sikh student camp - check out the pictures on G5sikhmedia - They have pictures where guru granth sahib jee has been placed on the floor with only a cloth under - Below are pictures from the sikh camp

Well, make your mind up, sometimes you have 'panthic meetings' at the gurdwara sahib and do nindya of Guru Gobind Singh Jees Bani and also that of Mahapurkhs and then sometimes you want sangat to attend kirtan prorammes arranged here. Make your mind up - either you are nindaks or gursikhs.

Mahaan Programme, 26th March 2010,

6-630pm Rehrass Sahib

6.30-7.15pm Kirtan Bhai Gurmej Singh Ji Jatha (Damdami Taksal Wale)

7.15-8.15pm Katha Akali Baba Trilokh Singh Ji Nihang (Tarna Dal- Khyala Wale)

8.15pm Ardas- Hukamnama

Venue: Lower Hall

192 Chapeltown Road

Leeds LS7 4HZ

For More information contact: 07807471521 Bhai Gurraj Singh Ji (Dal Baba Bidhi Chand Ji Chakarvarti Nihang Singhan)

Thats excellent news, cant wait. General question, how long did bhai sahib bhai gurraj singh ji stay at baba bidhi chand dal? - is he the only nihang singh in uk that has stayed with the dal and has the title - dal baba bidhi chand ji chakarvarti nihang singhan? bhai sahib is lucky

A text that has been sent around states -

'Kirtan smagam by Pro Darshan Singh Ji on 19th March, Friday eve 7 to 8 at Miri Piri Gurdwara. The Broadway Southall. Please come to listen gurmat vichar and explanation about dasam granth issue. Satnam Singh. forward please.'

Isnt the person in the first picture the so - called jathedar of the AK47 Group in Southall - 2nd to left in black and white stripe top.

The person in the brown suit was also at the coventry meeting.

I think the sikhs in uk should boycott and protest against the event tommorow and make sure it does not happen in any way or form. He is a Dusht and a Patit now. He has no right to be at any gurdwara sahib.

All those who are associating with him should also be made tankhiyeh - especially halal meat belly Manmohan dal khalsa and Jaswant Singh Thekedar.

I think people heard parts of the nindya or others who heard it told everyone about what was said.