Deep Singh

Chardee Kalaa Ji,

What is the project about?

There are lots of 'techie' Singhs/Kaurs here..someone should help you.

BTW...what kind of dictionary is it?

:lol: sorry jio, i have not bought the softwarez yet...i was thinking of doing that, but it is too expensive for me (compared to my need for such a punjabi word processer)

Dr. Gupreet Singh Lehal has made the 'Gurmukhi OCR'.

Contact him: gslehal@yahoo.com

It costs Rs 5000.

He has also made the software AKHAR, which is a powerful Punjabi word processor with of uniques featues for Punjabi such as

1. Font conversion between any of the common Punjabi fonts

2. Import/Export to ISCII, Unicode, PDF

3. Support for DOC, HTML and RTF formats

4. Bilingual Punjabi/English spell checker

5. Support for additional dictionaries

6. Onscreen keyboard and support for Romanised Punjabi input

7. Punjabi-English and English-Punjabi Dictionaries

8. Limited Search engine for Guru Granth Sahib

9. Text analysis utility

That also costs another Rs 5000.

These softwares have not been 'published' yet officially, but he will 'sell' you for that price. I have also contacted bookshops/dealers in Punjab, and none has such software...the only way to get it is: through the man who made it...

there have been a couple of articles about him in the Tribune. preety good.

this is old news...and we found out after checking it that the man was related to the family, ie he was a punjabi christian, and not there to seek converts, just there as a family member.

You are absolutely right Mehtab Singh ji...Nit means regular...i just couldn't find the *word* in sense it also means new, but regular is better.

regular can be used differently also....look at this...regular like 'simple', or 'common'....or regular like 'going on', 'without stop' etc. it is the last meaning i guess. Nit means that it should be done in punjabi 'naveh siro' everytime.

'nit nit nahi jamdeh surmeh, sant jarnail singh ji wargeh' (that is like dhadi vaaran/kvisri...something like that). it means warriors like sant ji are not born everyday. so that is why i chose to write "new", it should be every day....i know my logic is jammed. :lol:

when we think regular, it is in the sense of 'continueous' (not like Akhand), or better 'routine'. so regular is perhaps a better suggestion.

i thought of just 'naveh siro' (every time newly) as Nit, that is why...

yeh i understood...congrats!

the strange thing is...written danish and norwegian are almost the same...but when i hear danish people speak...it sounds like german.. and i don't get it...

Confused? It is understandable, Yasmin.

Yeah...we are talking Sri Guru Granth Sahib, not simply a 'book' for us...it is our Guru...or Prophet..or whatever that is supposed to attach us with God.

Yasmin...all Sikhs have Gutkeh, that are extracts of the main Scriptures/Writings, such as the ones that are to be recited in a day, called Nitnaam Bania [nitnaam = 'nit' means new, naam = name, Bani = scripturual work; the Works with Everyday (new) Name...new in the sense that it should be done each day newly]

Also Sikhs who want to learn about Gurmat, have Pothis or Sanchis. These have commentary in Punjabi (mostly), or Sri Guru Granth Sahib in several binds (ie Pothis). So Sikhs do use commentaries, various translations, and also have Main Works in Gutkeh (extracted texts).

But do have Guru Sahib at home...we need to have a seperate room, and give Guru Sahib the respect, and for that one person has to devote him/herself to the service, therefore most Sikhs don't have a Saroop (or 'copy' of Guru Sahib) at their homes. In India lots of Gursikhs do have...it is a bit harder outsite with the time schedule and different way of life. Such a Saroop does not have translations, or commentaries, only the original text as-it-is. So it is the Guru....therefore most of Sikhs are comfortable with SGGS staying at the Gurdwara. Or if someone decides to have Guru Sahib at home...the same rules as the ones followed at the Gurdwara should be used.

he is a good guy...but i don't think he will be able to solve the turban issue. even though he may try. just as probably all muslim leaders have tried, but it didn't work for them either. france is an independent country, and they don't care about what outsiders think of their policies. that is my opinion.

You are just great Aman bhaji...thanks a lot :lol:

this is one of those when i am really happy...i don't mean happy like i am laughing...just happy inside, as Sukh...u know what i mean :T:

Jahan Veerji,

one thing is certain: that is ONE HECK OF A NEWS SORTING!

thanks a lot...

Khalsa mero roop, thanks a lot for asking this question....i was actually thinking of asking it myself...so now i can just read the replies.

but now...i figured out...i would never be able to have Guru Sahib's parkash at my home. (i don't fullfil the requirements)

But then again...i am happy with Gurdwara, so i know there is proper respect. I can carry on with Gutkeh and Pothian.

Singh MC...you got one heck of schedule there...good luck with the workout.

Chaatrik mate....you are right. I used both the machines and simple free weights. when you are using machines, it is kind of easier...cause you don't think of balance....you just grab the thing and start working on it. but with free weights, you have think of having the correct balance, doing it correctly. a simple advice to everyone...

if you are working on weights: when we use weights, there are basically two things...first you take the weight up and then you go down with it. when you are pulling it up (or down..it depends on the exers.), do it fastly. i mean give whatever you have got...and your goal is to bring the weights up smoothly, firmly up...not so slow.

but when you have got it up...you have to go back to the original position....that you need to do slowly, also soft and firm....so you feel the muscles opening up and getting stronger. continue with this activity in series.

IT IS URGENT!

FRENCH SCHOOLS STOP TURBAN-WEARING SIKHS FROM ENTERING SCHOOL

http://unitedsikhs.org/rtt/French%20School...%20students.htm

Paris, France – Fulfilling his commitment to wear his Turban to school, 14-year-old Jasvir Singh marched to school day before yesterday to purchase his textbooks for the school year.  However, instead of worrying about the cost of textbooks and school supplies, Jasvir Singh was unceremoniously turned away at the school’s gate.  Other Sikh students may face the same fate as they attempt to enter their schools wearing their Turbans, an article of faith of the Sikh religion that is not to be compromised by any Sikh.  The Inspector of Academy, which presides over Jasvir Singh’s school, stated that he would meet with the schools, which are resisting the wearing of Turbans to convince them to allow the Turban.

Meeting with the Principal

Jasvir Singh, accompanied by his father Gurdial Singh, went to Louis Michel School in Bobigny (a suburb of Paris) to purchase textbooks in preparation for the new school year, set to begin next week.  This school has two other Sikh students, Vikramjit Singh and Ranjit Singh, who were not at school today. However, Jasvir Singh was stopped at the school gates by teachers who refused to let him enter the school. Thereafter, a meeting took place between Mr. Fis, principal of the school, Ja

svir Singh and Gurdial Singh in an attempt to resolve the matter.  After waiting half an hour for the principal so that he may look into the matter, the principal stated that 20 Muslim women who attend the school had already removed their Hijabs in accordance with the French law and questioned why Jasvir Singh could not remove his Turban.  Jasvir Singh recalled the principal’s words and told the UNITED SIKHS “The principal told us that he would like to admit me, but the law does not allow it”.  Gurdial Singh responded that a Sikh has no alternative but to keep a Turban in accordance to his faith. He further stated that the French government was repeatedly apprised of this fact and the government had told the Sikh community that it would find a solution to this matter.  After hearing this comment from Gurdial Singh, Mr. Fis told Jasvir Singh and Gurdial Singh that even if he were to allow Jasvir Singh to attend classes, the teachers could still stop Jasvir Singh from wearing the Turban if they deemed it to be disturbing the class.  Mr. Fis again questioned Jasvir Singh as to why he cannot wear an alternative to “protect your hair” e.g. a scarf.  Jasvir Singh responded that “What we are wearing now (referring to his and his father’s Turban) is to protect our hair”, to which the principal retorted that Jasvir Singh’s Turban was “too big”.  Jasvir Singh (whose Turban is a small Keski) further responded by pointing to his father’s Turban (which is a full Dumalla) and stated “What I am wearing on my head is what my dad is wearing underneath his Turban”, giving a comparison to how small his (Jasvir’s) Turban is.

Meeting with the Inspector of Academy

A meeting took place day before yesterday evening with Jean Charles Ringard, the Inspector of Academy for Creteil, the district in which Jasvir Singh’s school is located. It was attended by Jasvir Singh, Gurdial Singh, Manpreet Singh, and Karmvir Singh, Director of UNITED SIKHS, Kashmir Singh and Chain Singh. 

There, Mr. Ringard detailed to the attendees that he had campaigned hard in his district, which has a large concentration of Sikhs, to allow Turbans in schools.  His efforts had the effect of all but 3 schools allowing Sikh children to wear Turbans to school.  The schools that still are resisting Turbans are Jean Michel School in Bobigny (Jasvir Singh has admission in this school with two other Sikh boys), Jean Rostan School in Villepinte (which has 1 Sikh student attending) and Mozart School in Blanc Mesnit (which also has 1 Sikh child in attendance).  He further detailed that Jasvir Singh’s school had initially agreed to allow Turbans, but they changed their minds.  Mr. Ringard stated that he would brief the Sikh community on Saturday on the status of these three schools after he meets with the resisting schools to convince them to allow the Sikhs to wear Turbans.

Timeline of This Week’s Events

Details of the various efforts and occurrences that took place and will take place this week are outlined below.

Monday – Mr. Ringard meets with the Director of Cabinet for the French Government, in which it was agreed that the Sikhs would be allowed to wear Turbans at school.

Tuesday – Mr. Ringard tells the schools in his district that Sikhs are to be allowed to wear Turbans to school.  The Jean Rostan School in Villepinte voices immediate opposition and refuses to accept this decision.

Thursday – Jasvir Singh finds out that Jean Michel School in Bobigny refuses to allow the Turban when his teachers at the school gate stop him from entering.

Friday - Mr. Ringard plans to talk to the SSU – the teacher’s union of the resisting schools, to convince them to allow Sikhs to wear Turbans in their schools.

Saturday – Mr Ringard will inform the Sikh community of the result of his negotiations with the SSU at the resisting schools. 

Another Incident

Karmvir Singh also detailed another incident of a Sikh schoolchild being barr

ed from entry to his school.  Seven-year-old Sumeet Singh, accompanied by his mother, was stopped at the gate of his school named Jean Jaures in the town of Drancy by the teachers.  Sumeet Singh, who was wearing a handkerchief to cover his hair, was stopped at the gate and was not allowed in until the mother removed the handkerchief from her son’s hair.  Karmvir Singh detailed that the tearful mother communicated these sad details to UNITED SIKHS via a telephone call. 

UNITED SIKHS is staying vigilant and collecting any information it can regarding any further cases of Sikh schoolchildren being turned away from their schools.  Since the beginning, the French government has been told that the Turban is an article of faith for Sikhs that cannot be compromised upon or replaced by another head covering.  Every possible means of diplomacy and raising awareness has been employed, but to no avail as of yet.

UNITED SIKHS has supported and will continue to support any and all efforts to combat this biased and unfair law and stands along with the French Sikh community in open opposition to this draconian French law.

For more information on the Right to Turban campaign, please link to:

http://www.unitedsikhs.org/rtt/index.htm

Mkhalsa Ji,

it doesn't really matter if he is an ex-militant. or if he is not from some particular group....he was the head of KCF. and when he is telling that his group killed innocent people, that has to be true. i don't see any logic that he should lie there....ever if he got money or anything from india to say that. if it was just tribune saying something, i would understand, but he is quoted saying this...that is his words.

That is a shocking report....but it looks like an honest opinion to me. We can't just gloryify Kharkoos without knowing that also innocent people were killed! It wouldn't be right....it is not the way of a Khalsa Warrior!

The above article highlights something most Khalistani groups say went wrong in the struggle....they trusted ISI-Pakistan, but at the end...it was the Butto govrn. which handed the Kharkoos to India (as per the claims i have heard from some Pakistanis).

If we want a homeland...the fight should be our own...we can't trust others. my opinion. all others have their own interests in the field, and in the end...that will get back to us.

Coming back to the original article....the problem with plane hijacks is that humans are used as shields. In the case of Sikh hijackers, Dr. Harjinder Singh Dilgeer has written a book. They didn't use weapons to hijack...just fake bombs.

Thanks for the post. Mkhalsa!

It makes sense..

I am going to start a kind of special topic.....it is related to what happened in russia today.

The thing is: i was thinking....in the 80s and 90s...we all know that indian authorities killed thousands of sikhs. and we also know that kharkoos fought for independence.

but it is also true that there were sikhs who hijacked planes, who robbed banks, killed innocent people...all for Khalistan. It is right that by hijacking planes, they got the interational attentiob, by robbing banks...got the money from india.....BUT nothing can justify killing innocent people. i don't mean Sukha-Jinda finishing Vaidya and Beanta etc...i mean school children as the ones who were killed in russia today. NOTHING CAN JUSTIFY A SUCH ACT!

I know that most people will say that they were not Khalistanis or true Sikhs, but that doesn't matter...it doesn't matter if they weren't from this jatha or that. i am aware of kalleh kache wale, and they were terrorist cops...not Khalistanis. BUT the Kharkoos i am talking about, they were common Khalistanis, from Dal Khalsa, KCF, etc. they hijacked planes....also some killed innocent in shouting and engagement with police, or families of policemen. that is not right!

I just like to say...i don't support that kind of "khalistani freedom". If someone is going to do something for Sikh Nation: DO IT IN THE RIGHT WAY! be active, be educated, be active in politics, use your right to vote and work within the ethical framework.

hijacking planes doesn't help...nor does killing innocent people....remember Waheguru is everywhere....you mustn't hate others. that is like hating Waheguru....would you do that?

Badal is really messed up...

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20040902/...2/punjab1.htm#2

But Giani Puran Singh Ji, alongwith Sangat's help....carried Sri Guru Granth Sahib all the way to Gurdwara Ramsar Sahib!

Granthi carries Sri Guru Granth Sahib on head as rath

wheel gives way

Our Correspondent

Amritsar, September 1

The holy Guru Granth Sahib relived its centuries-old past in a special journey early morning today by taking the same historical path from Gurdwara Ramsar to the Golden Temple .

The majestic journey started with Guru Granth Sahib placed in a golden flower bedecked palanquin on a tastefully decorated rath to the Harmandir Sahib, casting a magic spell, and reminding all of the historic journey by Guru Granth Sahib 400 years ago when it was formally installed in the Harmandir Sahib in 1604.

However, barely 100m from the Ramsar Gurdwara, the rath carrying Guru Granth Sahib met with a misha

p, as one of its wheels gave way. The mishap reportedly occurred when Mr Parkash Singh Badal along with some of his security personnel climbed the rath that is traditionally only allowed for five Singh Sahibaans (Sikh high priests).

Due to excess weight, the rath was prevented from turning turtle by the sangat of the nagar kirtan following the rath. Thereafter, Giani Puran Singh, Head Granthi, Darbar Sahib, lifted Guru Granth Sahib on his head for the rest of the journey for nearly 400m up to the Golden Temple.

:wub: Only Punjabis can make something like that...

why is it that all desi people find GAS as the ULTIMATE comedic expression...?

:TH: They say this thing has to do with the food we eat.....

i am missing Khalistani.

Great News Jio!

Just for a note...now it is 'fact' that there are 1-2 million Sikhs in Pakistan. 25% baptised Sikhs of that is about 250-500 000.

BUT WHO WANTS PUNJABI SOFTWAREZ??

(come on...this may be your last chance)

Singh,

I have got Persian and Sanskrit grammars and software, also Arabic. We need to figure out how to share. for Braj Bhakya or Braj Bhasha, i am afraid no genuine software is available. It is close to "dialects" of Hindi langauge, so learning advanced Hindi can help.

But i have access to couple of books on Braj grammar...i have to scan them to share. I haven't read them myself yet either. The problem is the are in devanagri script, and written in difficult Hindi, so understanding the grammar of Braj wouldn't be a piece of cake.

keri pasha/boli sikhni tusi?

Being a Khalsa shouldn't mean you neglect Punjabi! Nor should you force it on someone...if someone is a Khalsa from outside Punjab...who is forcing them to speak Punjabi. just learn Gurmukhi enough to read Gurbani. They can learn there own local languages....hindi, gujarati, tamil whatever...

Guru Sahib wanted us to learn as much as possible...why not start at what is "ours" .now i am talking to punjabi sikhs, if non-punjabis are reading, they can replace ours as yours. Once you are done with Punjabi, start on other languages.

(if someone is a language-geek and want to learn new languages, i may be able to share language learning software)