Wutgwan

sorry about putting the attachement on 3 times, 1st time added attachement

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Our_Faith_Our_City.pdfOur_Faith_Our_City.pdfOur_Faith_Our_City.pdfGurfateh ji

I received the following info through work channels.

Seems like low sikh representation

Short notice, but good if local sangat could go.

Contact details on poster

Gurfateh ji

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Dear All, Find enclosed details of an Interfaith Youth event, currently Sikh representation is very low, and a request has been made for me to distribute the attached information. I know it is a short notice but if you can, please try and come, you don't have to be a young person to be there!

Waheguru ji ka kHalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh ji

Bhai Sahib ji

Need to ask yourself 1st a few questions

1)You wanna live at home or away?. This will impact your choice. Do you want luxaries of home or do you want a few years chill away from home live. Home will be cheaper too.

2) If you gonan live away from home, find somewhere where there's sangat. Not just in terms of a local gurdwara, but what is the Sikh Soc like etc. do they do many events etc

If the Giani is the one taking Guru Maraj

Then go and see him at his home beforethe wedding

Take Panj Singh and tell him consequences of goign ahead with it

Gurfateh ji

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh ji

Bhenji

The Siri Sahib is classed as legal in the UK, UNDER THE OFFENSIVE WEAPONS ACT 1996.

The only think unis/employees etc can use within the act, is that if the 'item' in question is seen as a possible health and saftey issue, then if it's private property then they can have objections.

In addtion the Race Relations Act says that banning someone due to the kirpan could be indirect discrimination

But as been mentioned earlier, go with evidence and articles etc, also it's best to go as a community rather than an individual as the uni will not want any adverse pubilicty of being seen to upset a community.

Speak to BOSS, they will be able to help

In adidtion I am facing similar issues at the moment. I wasn't let into a football ground recently due to my siri sahib, I am been going regurly for many yrs.

I have never been searched, but after July attacks, searches are more common at the staduim now, so they felt my siri Sahib, anyway, we are in ongoing discussions with them, things aren't looking good, but Guru di kirpa, we wiwill see what happens.

This is a issue we need to look at, as after July attacks, UK is more secuirty conscious, we need to be prepared to stick up for our rights and siri sahibs

Bhenji, I can give you further info (info we are using in our case) if you want

PM me

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh

Waheguru ji ka khasla, waheguru ji ki Fateh

Great work from the campaign again,

Guru's kirpa, the campaign is 'smashing it'

but please a word of warning, a comment made in the report by Harmander Singh is as follows:

"Harmander Singh, of the Sikhs in England organisation, said the issue was simply a matter of respect for the Sikh holy book, which was used in the ceremony and some members of the faith believed it was disrespectful for the book to be used in an inappropriate room.

He said he had been involved in discussions at a national level involving the wedding industry with a view to finding an acceptable alternative, such as the availability of a room which had not been used for the consumption of alcohol."

I don't want to criticise any group being avctive in Panthic issues, but what would the compromise of the availabilty of a room which has not been used for alcohol actually mean?

Could weddings still happen in hotels but not in a hall which booze is drunk?, surely the whole purpose of the campaign and more importantly the hukamnama is that Guru Maraj doesn't go to these places at all, regardless if the room is 'clean' or not.

Please the campaign has done great but keep control of discussions, don't let others compromise such issues.

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki Fateh ji

To all Students and Sikh Societies,

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa

Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Need some help?

As the new academic year is about to begin, we want like to remind

everyone that if you're a member of your university Sikh Soc then

you'll need loads of help this year...For a start, how about freshers

fair and your grant applications??

Don't worry you're not alone BOSS is here to help!!

• Produced brand new literature, starters packs and posters for free

distribution at sikhsoc events

• Appointed regional reps to support local sikhsocs, providing help at

all levels from finding speakers, applying for university funding,

organising Sikhi weeks and social events like paintballing, Alton

Towers trips etc.

Please contact info@boss-uk.org to arrange collection of the packs and

posters and to be put in touch with your regional rep.

Are your Sikh Soc details up to date on the BOSS website?

Got to www.boss-uk.org and update your details, so your students know

who to contact. Promote your events on the BOSS site and keep your

members posted.

• If your university Sikh Soc is not listed on the site, then please

let us know and we'll add you on.

• If there isn't a Sikh Soc where you are and you want to start one up

then contact us, whether at college or university we'll help you get

started, provide support and literature to get your Sikh Soc on the way.

Remember there's loads to look forward to this year, With Sikhi Weeks

up and down the Country, National Student Kirtan Darbars and various

out door activities (like paint balling and Go-Karting). Best of all

Sikhi Camp 2006!!

Make sure you join your Sikh Soc!!

We hope you all the best and this is one of the strongest Sikhsoc

years ever! For more information please contact BOSS.

www.boss-uk,org, info@boss-uk.org

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh ji

At our wedding (both of us with Guru Sahibs kirpa were amritdhari and so were the majority of familes).

When we met outside the Gurdwara, we did an ardas and then my Singhni's dad gave my dad and all his 5 brothers a Fateh and a hug.

It was simple but really powerful.

then we all went for breakfast )))))))

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh

Gurfateh jio

We had a similar problem at Deby Uni many years ago.

We explained to the Student uni, that we needed a stall at freshers fair to generate interest and said that we will get the names at freshers fair, so they gave us a stall.

If they still don't give you a stall, at freshers fair go around collecting names, get a few Gursikhs there to create an impression and once you have the names, get the society started. you sdon't need an official stall, just collect names and explain you need 25 names to get going

Also contact BOSS, they can speak to your student union and put pressure on that way

but DON'T join forces with Hindu society, start as you mean to go on.

Guru di kirpa, a Society will start if there are dedicated Gursikhs around.

Also KSingh, you might not be able to join society, but you can help in background supporting the society

Gurfateh ji

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh jio

Can i suggest that you email

Boss

British Orgainsatiom of Sikh Students.

they will be able to help you in setting up a Sikh Society and help you become part of a larger University network

http://www.boss-uk.org/

info@boss-uk.org

webmaster@boss-uk.org

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh jio

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki Fateh jio

All-info i agree with you too :wub: ))

We have to put the khalsa panth first and rise above 'minor differences' we share.

But like anything words are words, and actions are wut counts,

so respect to all the Gur Sikhs who turned upto Khalsa Camp from different backgrounds with an open mind, u know who you are :wub: )))))))))))

Khalsa Camp did not push any one view, it was all about the 'bhagti' and more importantly there was no 'under cover pushing of views which happens at other camps

Talking from experience, I've been on majority of camps in UK in last 7 yrs and have seen the informal discussions take place (the one 2 ones or in dorms etc) that either promote one jatha bandey or even worse slag down another jathabandey.

This from my knowlegde did not occur at Khalsa Camp which was a blessing

guru Sahibs kirpa, the camp was wicked- innit!!!!!!!!!!!

Wahegur uji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki Fateh ji

Hahahah

Where can i get a t-shirt from

[uk is not that big

You can get to any major city (with a Big enough Gurdwara within an hour max)

surely an hour is nothing to keep respect for our Guru?

also the two familes involved last SUNDAY, LIVE IN Southall, but both travelled to Surrey (about 45 mins away) for the wedding

Gurfateh ji

I know on all the 'sikhi' forums the seva of the R4G is appreciated and aggreed with

However there's a 'Asian' forum where the Sangat are being cussed.

I know this barficulture forum is a waste of time, but it the panjabis who need to be eduacted on this issue, as they are the ones who have weddings in halls

so pls chekc out the thread

http://www.barficulture.com/community/curr...p/54/index.html

Gurfateh ji

any young kid (esepcially under 5's)

so pure

Gurfateh ji

It's good that they have pulled out,

but i can't understand these people, to even think about going on air to 'defend' their viewpoint

Don't they have any respect for Guru maraj of hukam

man some people

I'm booked )))))))))

anyone still considering coming to Sikhicamp2005 should get their forms in quick

This camp will be sell out this year

Just got this from organisers of Sikhi Camp 2005

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh ji

The official closing date for sikhi camp 2005 applications is today,

and so far we have had a great response.

Places are filling up fast.

To avoid dissapointment anyone who is planning to come on the camp,

please get forms/applications in as soon as possible

Remaining places are on a 1st come 1st serve basis

Regards

Sikhi Camp 2005

Gurfateh ji

Guru's kirpa excellent programme,

like the old days

:doh: )))))))

Sangat needs and wants more

Gurfateh ji

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh

Another thing

The Gursikhs with Guru Sahibs kirpa who organise these camps go to alot of effort and time to do this.

These camps take months of planning organizing and in addition in some cases huge financial commitment and can be a headache!!!!!!

Contray to public opinion, i don't reckon any of the camp organisers have a 'hidden agenda' to promote one way or the other. These Gursikhs are just trying to do seva.

Fair enough some sevedars at certain camps will have a certain view and try to push this (but isn't that the case everywhere!!!).

It is up to the organsiers of each camp to make sure those present don't push any hidden agenda!!!!!

I personally with Guru Sahibs kirpa came into Sikhi through camps like this

so if you have never been to a camp, go to one (anyone it's up to you) and take something postive,

if you have been to a camp and didn't like it or disagreed with something there, then learn from it and move on (Isn't that what Sikhi is about - learning and moving forward), just no need to cuss it.

Enjoy the camps and don't let them become battlegrounds for personnel/political agendas

and also (while i am on a rant!!!!)

why isn't anyone talking about the many kids camps happening this summer!!!!!!

at the end of the day, those kids camps are wicked and seeing little kids enjoying sikhi is such a boost, many camps are happenign this summer, lets not loose track of the amount of seva still to do.

Hoepfully the next generation can learn from our mistakes!!!!!!

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki Fateh jio

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki Fateh ji

wow what a topic!!!!!!!!!!!

Has anyone ever actually been to all 3 camps?

I could probably count that number on one hand?

ask the few who have (and that is few and far between) for their views.

which ever camp you go to enjoy and learn, isn't that what these camps are for!!!!!

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh ji

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki Fateh jio

Guru di kirpa

These Singhs/Singhnia did amazing seva

:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :e:

also is it possible to make a camps topic sticky

and all camps can be advertised there

Guru di kirpa, I'll be going to Khalsa Camp, Sikhi Camp, Walsall camp, wednesfield camp and maybe Leeds camps

but I'm looking forward to sikhi camp - it's on a beach front this year, gonna be massive

details below

Sikhi Camp 2005...Its back!!

Sikhi camp has been a constant source of inspiration for young Sikhs

since it started almost a decade ago. The camp has provided a chance to meet

young Sikhs from all over the UK and Europe.

What is it? it's a residential action packed 6 days aiming to create

an environment that is unlike anything else out there.

Sikhi camp has a simple aim: to bring unity in our community by

sharing time and experiences with young Sikhs from all over the UK.

Every Sikh is proud of their heritage and wants to learn more but they don't want to be preached at.

We understand this, that's why an average day at the camp

is mixed between short talks, discussion groups and then the whole

afternoon is full of cool activities like abseiling, rifle shooting,

assault courses, playing football and of course: eating chips and

beans.

So if you have always wanted to learn a bit about Sikhi but not from

some old guy who just about speaks English come to the camp and experience

it with people from your generation!

Who's it for? anyone over 16 who is interested in learning the basics

about Sikhi in a friendly, chilled, non-judgemental/non-preachy environment.

It doesn't matter how religious you are. It's all about how keen you are to learn!

EVERYONE IS WELCOME!!

Why should I go? don't be stupid! Its only 50 quid for 6 days on a

beachfront location (It's an army base but don't get scared we won't

be sent to the Middle East when it's over.) with loads of fun activities and

inspirational talks/discussions...You've been stressed all year with

college/uni/work, chill out and de-stress at Sikhi camp!

Still not convinced? visit British Organisation of Sikh Students at

www.boss-uk.org and www.sikhicamp.org for the photo gallery of

previous camps…check out all those sunny, happy, smiling people

enjoying themselves!

OK! OK! So I'm convinced!! How do I apply? wise move, visit

www.boss-uk.org for an application form, but apply soon!!! The

deadline for applications is

1st of JULY 2005

Need more info? contact us...via info@boss-uk.org or phone...

07956 595850 OR 07868 753551

Sikhi Camp 2005 ...Its back!!