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When you say 'elderly' you mean in the sense that Brad Pitt and Jonny Depp are extremely ancient ? given how the 'sikh' in question was clearly in his 40's whereas both Bradd and Jonny are in their 50's.

'Violently' ???? :omg:

You've obviously got a strange definition of the word 'violent' given how the man only received slaps and didn't even require medical treatment.

Thats an aboslute lie. On'y the ones like you who term real Sikhs 'Khaliban' and support the Indian government were "outraged". The rest of us saw through the Indian lies of deliberately depicting that perfectly fit middle aged man as vulnerable, frail and 'elderly'.

If you wish to discuss it personally with me, lets discuss it openly with any rules of engagement- here is the thread:

http://www.sikhawareness.com/topic/16500-sikh-beating-another-sikh-elderly-sikh-begging-for-their-mercy-crying/

There was clear outrage on facebook, as that video was shared 70,000 times alone on facebook and had 1.9 million views. Daily sikh update condemn it so as sikh24 channel.

Anyway i must stay on topic on here.

I'm not sure what you're implying with that. Are you insinuating it is fine bowing towards monarchs? Forgive me if I took it completely in the wrong direction.

No its not fine if you are perceiving things in relative dualistic context. But beyond relative context, there is absolute non duality source of everything perspective, so from that perspective its fine, its irrelevant as such distinction does not exist in hat state of mind.

They say this year Canadian election is one of most anticipated election as it will be tight race..so who you guys thinking of voting? I voted ndp last election, this year i am voting liberal as last year vote towards ndp ended up in vote splitting, giving majority to harper so this year we have to make sure we vote smart if we want to get rid of harper..polls are showing ndp is already falling.

what you guys think?

Main great points of liberal

- They are neither right wing or left wing, neutral as he said harper wants us to live under fear that there is terrorist hiding behind the tree, and thomas muclair want us to have romanticize view of things - live in la la land where there are unicorns flying... away from reality.

- Trudeau is charismatic passionate natural leader compare to thomas muclair who is so political that his playing a nice guy attitude (telling people what they want to hear) its frankly scary, it does not take principled - truth/integrity stance..he tells anglo Canadian one thing and franco Canadians another thing

- speaking to middle class

- liberals have great history of surplus in the country and champions of human rights within Canada.

- liberals usually launch lots of rehabilitation programs for convicts in jail- integrate people back in society.

I don't mind ndp either, if jack layton was alive..i would have voted for him too. But i don't know about this guy thomas muclair..more talk no substance..he promising so many things ..how he is going to full fill them...he fails to give us clear concise framework plan.

Those are really nice pictures. What kind of camera is this? Im thinking of getting one of those dslr cameras for myself too

It's Nikon d750 with NIKON AFS-VR 70-300 F4-5.6 TELEZOOM LENS

I made a mistake on the lens, they say for beginner landscape photography- NIKON AF-S NIKKOR 50MM F1.4G LENS is recommended for wider angle shots so you have wider depth of field.. but i guess benefit of those zoom lense was wild life photography shots, you can zoom right in, those pictures really look close by due to zoom as i must be atleast 40-50 meters away from shots..it was great experience.

N30 did someone access your account a few months ago?

Was it you that posted some out of character over the top anti sikh rant then suddenly disappeared from the forum for a bit?

Not sure but I believe the thread disappeared also.

No it was me, i simply lost it..i was livid...I was abhorrent on the fact eldery- father like figure sikh figure being beaten up violently..it wasn't only me who was outraged...after the fact we all saw how sikh sangat out in west was equally outraged as well, it was resounding condemnation from all squares from sangat out in west and back home resulting on arrest of individuals.

Can you please translate that for the benefit of those of us who don't consume pot ?

All of us are made out of five element body- air, water, earth, sky(space), fire (energy) whole teaching of gurmat is to find out our real essence which is beyond body, body sense perceptions, mind.

Its a bit disturbing that you can't even debate this issue anymore. If you even so much as even question homosexuality you will lose your job and possibly even your career.

I think its due to election time, parties aren't taking any chances any opinion which is contrary to public opinion remotely sounds against charters of rights or seem controversial are being rejected, mps are dropped..i think in just last one month, all parties had dropped mps from all walks of life of making remarks which is contrary to public opinion/votes...its election time its too much at stake carry unnecessary baggage (controversies)..parties simply can't afford to loose election on these things and besides we all know h ow media amplifies them three times these days.

Another point, i am not sure how any sikh can vote conservatives let alone be conservative mp are so hell bent banning niqab...we don't agree with them but they have a right to wear it...it was same stephen harper who back in 1990 wanted to ban turban in rcmp.

Depends on the state of mind of person, person may only see five elemental body but ask whats source of everything? and drop a inquiry in your intuitation how exactly Waheguru is all pervading? Bring it in your direct experience, your questions will fall away and even questioner will fall away.

From absolute non dual one solid reality in mool mantar they don't exist as separate/independent reality and hence many great gyanis in our panth have done antriv arths(deep meaning) of gurbani tukhs along with sargun and uthanka. However, in relative reality-sargun, they very much exist do exist in relative reality(lower planes bound by subtle five elemental maya) maya which is mentioned in Sikhi.

In other words, from standpoint of absolute non dual one solid reality in mool mantar once our consciousness is merged in its source it ensues full realization of mool mantar which is supreme state/sehaj samadhi ( thoughtless spontaneous effortless state ) in that state - they simply don't exist but as soon one perceives fragmented reality maya relative realities then they do exist.

Everything is connected with your perception or perceive as world does not independent reality on its own, you create world and you destroy it.

For example again everyone can relate to this example- they simply don't exist hell even world does not exist when we are all gone in deep sleep every night. Supreme state is just like deep sleep without any thoughts- stillness except there is pure awareness/knowledge realization.

This is interesting topic, based on my research and understanding:

He didn't use his polical platform to spread his views. The guy plays a role within Punjabi media and he posted it online on a website some time back.

What happens in politics is that various parties try to find 'bad' things that opposing party members have said/done. So they go digging into the history of social media accounts, websites, videos, audio, etc.....basically they try and find anything which may be controversial....even if it's many years ago.

That's the truth about this situation.

Don't try and twist it to make it look like something else.

Your 'integrate' comment is very much along the lines of something your favourite Sunny Hundal would say.

Well did he made those public comments in news paper while holding public office as mp? I beleive its conflict of interest. its in the contract.

No integrate comment make sense, one of elderly gursikh told me once...it make perfect sense with canadian charters rights of freedom as how can any of us- poke a hole/disregard same charter rights of freedom which has given us freedom to practise our five ks freely..our singhs are rightly quote same charters right and freedoms to ride bicycle without helmet.

That's nice, enjoy, stay safe! Share some pics with us when you come back!

Will do, here is one from this august recently:

http://www.sikhawareness.com/topic/16507-getting-into-nature-photography-any-good-dslr/?page=2

May be we can connect on nature level

Simran is remembrance and aching for God. Anyone can meditate, but only lovers are blessed enough to partake in simran.

Amazing post, totally agree.

Naam Simran = Truth(real self- Naam- pure jagad jot within/gurmantar/shabad gyan) remembrance moment to moment that itself becomes meditation in later stage.

The problem sn't what his statement said - he can believe whatever he wants to do, he has full right to do so but problem he along with other likes him using political secular platform/his mp position to spread his views. He has speak to all of his constituents not just sikhs. Its not limited to only sikh only platform...also i have seen others also including evangelical / Anglican/sharia islamic influenced people also bringing their views as well in secular context- which is contrary to fabric of this great Canadian nation - charter right and freedoms.

It's so ironic that people will attack same values - charter right and freedoms which gave them full rights to practise of religion, liberty, to wear whatever they wish when they are in comfortable position.

We should stop becoming like ungrateful people who eats the hands that feed them, give them opportunity to start a new life in country but yes at the same time we should also be vary of going too left as well.

Integrate not annihilate. Thats the key.

Johnny Jee,

This whole mess is created thanks to a very large role played by Mr. Neo. He is the one who coined the term 'Khaliban' and then spread it worldwide through an online forum such as SikhSangat for example. Mr. Neo was the one who kept bringing the words 'militancy' and 'militants' into many different topics for absolutely no reason, the same way Mr. Sukhvirk76 has done here. Also, Mr. Neo said he was doing an undercover investigation, compiling data and creating a huge report to give to the BBC in order to 'expose' and consequently stain and mailign the worldwide view and reputation of Sikhs. Not much different than what Mr. Sukhvirk76 is doing. These types of people are anti-Sikh and enemies of Sikh Panth. On the outside they pretend to be with Sikh Panth, and inside they have a hidden agenda to carry out.

Yes I agree veer on basic level they are different. But on deep profound level they are same as stake on real game of love is way too high and thin as tip of khanda. Its pretty much all or nothing for true bhagat upasakh. In the eyes of panj pyares full surrender of their tan, dhann , mann to guru mahraj was matter of life and death for premis full surrender of their head was life and other manmukh jevan is death there is no middle ground there when stakes are too high.

Hopefully this clarification help.

His overall conversion, lack of faith It's inner personal relationship between him and Guru sahib, we should worry about our own relationship with our Guru Maharaj. We should not be deluded for a second, just because we took amrit and can keep up with certain basic outer rehit -we managed to make our Guru sahib happy and scored a free sachkhand express card.

In each and every moment, guru maharaj (pure inner awareness jagad jot) throw an test/riddle/chess move/hide and seek game to his sikh - to see if sikh identifies with his conditioned mind (manmukh) or if sikh identifies with his real self-jot saroop (Gur-chaitain-consciouness-mukh(towards) unconditioned pure inner intuitive awareness jot. So real game is already on in which most of us fail as we identify with our conditioned/preconditioned/psychological egoic self mind all the time, we should worry about our own relationship..whats the difference between bemukh and manmukh..? ignoring the semantics overall its same thing..so i wouldn't sit on high moral ground and worry about others.

Most sikh parcharikhs never talk about individuals directly - judge or misjudge them, they always talk about overall social issues which affects people never go on personal level- name calling.

Modern day Sikh community secret/at times quite evident love influential relationship with tribal punjabiyaat and cultural-religious mindset instead of influence of religious-spiritual- gurbani/gurmat- lead to do this type stereotype at the first place. Media/movies does what media meant to do is to find stories, make a movie out of it to make quick bucks. We cannot really solely blame on media. Media is doing it we give them material to do it, we not only inadvertently give all these narratives to media but we laughingly jokingly candidly give to them as if nothing happened.

You have to wonder how come media/movie industry does not stereotypically negatively target other spiritual communities like tibetan, buddhist, chinese taoism, shintoism , zen..why? Because they cannot find anything on them, thats why.

Blaming others is quite easy, and it also bring complacency in us (collective sikh community) which has no place in Sikhi. Sikhi is practical proactive living. Sikh is a leaner- Acknowledge, revise, improve and move on thats how community are grown stronger not being victim, passing the buck to someone else or being Narcissist- in many ways our vanity is our worst enemy because it hinders our self improvement, introspection, self reflection towards many important issues.

Just to clarify previous post:

Depression, stress, anxiety, negative thoughts can be removed- if you don't give up and with perseverance combat them by not identifying with them. Start off with ardas to Guru maharaj ji to bless you with will power and perseverance, because without grace of vahiguru/satguru's kirpa not even one leaf can move on the tree.

Everyone(even sinners of highest calibre) is born with pure portion of mind ( source of mind which is right at the starting edge of mind) which we sikhs call it surat/bibek/brahmakar unconditioned birthi- intuitive unconditioned consciousness/pure cognitive perception. So divide your mind into two-

-diseased mind which is affected by five vices, depression, stress, anxiety, emotional negative suicidal thoughts
-pure portion of mind-intuitive unconditioned consciousness/pure cognitive perception mind

What we often do is we try to combat diseased conditioned mind with diseased conditioned mind which may only provided band aids fixes but it does not look at the root, that's why many psychologist fail to address the root cause, they provide solution to fix one problem but inadvertently create other problems as well-such as more conditioning, dependency on medication etc.

So With pure portion of mind start a first phase journey which is simply witnessing the thoughts come in, let whatever thoughts (no matter how hideous) come in and whatever thought go -go..don't judge or analyze the thoughts, just simple witness as pure witness, it will take some practice so to make it easier..here are some analogies it help further or visualize:

-Witness the thoughts visualize-thoughts being clouds-appearing/disappearing on its own accord , it does not matter to you because you are the sky which has pure vantage view (pure unconditioned intuitive cognitive consciousness-achal thoughtless surat) in which thoughts come in and out as clouds, you have pure vantage to witness your thoughts not matter how big and scary clouds are, it cannot touch you as you can always see them below, they are below you.

- Imagine you are in the middle of road- each thought is car trying to hit you, drag you with it. Imagine how painful it is being hit by each car (thought) which is dragging you all the way, what you do ? do you fight with a speedy car coming at you? No..you simply get on a side of road, move away and witness the thoughts(in form of car) travelling in and out of road-your view and ultimately ignore them by abiding in your consciousness(surat)...after a while car-lethal weapon (thoughts) will loose its influence on you as you will start witnessing them and not getting hit by them and eventually you will also transcendent witness stage as well in straight in abidance in already available inner state we all have already in our pure universal portion of mind which is achal moraat (pure motionless stillness-afor-thoughtless awareness) universal being at the point Guru's kirpa will unfold itself and guide you further.

Anyway, your main focus should be to disidentify with your negative thoughts, but since you are at it, you might as well try to understand thoughts structure how transient they are and illusory they are, disidentify with them all together with pure universal portion of mind (pure unconditioned intuitive cognitive consciousness), and don't worry about right actions and rights speech, trying to figure how to do naam jaap since everything comes from there, this unconditioned pure intuitive cognitive consciousness will guide you further how to do naam jaap, gurbani patt, right speech, right actions very naturally and spontaneously

"jatt supremacy in the panth in garb of modern singh sabha gurdwaras or ramagharia supermacy in segregated ramagharia gurdwara so on so forth. "

This is at the commitee level, not at the sangat level.

Thats true, but unfortunately sangat has no control over these committe people and most often committe people pick and chose speakers, they go for speakers who does not target these issues. Even if one of sangat wants to get into committe, existing commitee members will make sure of their screening process -make sure they are not threat to them, try applying with ramaghari sounding last name in singh sabha jatt gurdwara and vice versa.

Please remember - you are not your thoughts you are witness consciousness to your thoughts where thoughts/self indentifications come in and go like clouds appear and disappear-That which remains never comes and goes (analogy sky above clouds) which is real you- pure witness consciousness awareness bliss, abiding in that truth remembrance itself is first stage which in itself is quite liberating, all negative emotions, good and bad thoughts are destroyed in a instant fire of that wisdom (gyan) of knowning, after spontaneous knowing that you are not your thoughts, thoughts looses its power on you and then one is more and more automatically start disindentifying with their thoughts but more and more identifying with our universal pure portion of mind or source of mind which is our pure unconditioned surat(intuitive consciousness). One of deep profound meaning of Gurmukh is Gur(chaitan-consciouness) Mukh(towards) - Gurmukh is one who attention is towards its inner pure consciouness(Gur) within which helps breaking egoic condtioned mind(thoughts) structure slowly.

Thoughts is root problem, that has to be addressed than everything falls into place. You cannot pursue spiritual sikhi with fearful/diseased conditioned mind. Pure pristine Sikhi start reflecting on open unconditioned receptive mind not mind with conditioning.

Caste discrimination was always there in different forms but there was no threat in Christian missionaries. What makes it different then and what makes it different now?

Well whats different now is obviously christian missionaries are exploiting the situation (capitalizing on someone vulnerability) converting our sikhs all together, back then atleast if sikhs were discriminated against -they hang around with their own in segragation -not that i m gauging this anymore severe but it was bearable to keep us united on major issues.

Anyway, pure panj pyares symbolism of original panj pyares came from each caste/from different corners in india is itself biggest slap to jatt supremacy in the panth in garb of modern singh sabha gurdwaras or ramagharia supermacy in segregated ramagharia gurdwara so on so forth. We should look at the root of problem this time around address both pressing caste issue and due to that Christian exploiting to convert in one setting.

As i was saying on another thread as well: