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if you wanted to buy/gain a saroop of dasam granth sahib jee , guru granth shaib jee and sarbloh granth sahib jee , is the only place to get dasam and sarbloh saroop from buddha dal??

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they sell sarbloh granth steek in some book shops, but if you want a saroop of sri sarbloh granth, you need bhudda dals permission i believe

I don't doubt jhatka, but I caste doubt on bhang being consumed for purposes other than medicinal use. It's an intoxicant so it shouldn't be referred to as degh imo.

Yet again, I haven't read Panth Prakash or Suraj Parkash. Something that I want to do.

define intoxicant?

read puraatan granths...it will open your eyes...make sure you read them with a open mind and dont let these do-gooders tell you its fake and wrong before you even read them...thats the mistake i made

daily mail is gutter news..for bigots, racists and self hating gays who haven't come out about their sexuality

I've seen the astbhuja for quite some time, but have never seen it mentioned in the historical context except for it being claimed to have been coming from Hazur Sahib.

I don't doubt its existence, all i'm saying is to date I haven't seen any account of it. The closest thing I've seen is paintings is shastar on dastaran (like a bigger version of chand tora) that is similar, but not the exact Astbhuja. The tegh, katar and dhaal is indeed the original nishan sahib of the Khalsa.

ashtbhuja is not mentioned just like sri sarbloh granth isnt mentioned in historical sources...because they were hidden within the dal...things which were well guarded and never allowed to fall into enemy hands because of their importance...the original ashtbhuja of guruji is still kept at sri hazur sahib like you said

Don't feel like performing a search, but there is a red battle flag with a devi next to a Nihang Singh in a British museum. Red signifies hindu armies therefore no Akali Singh would EVER be caught carrying such a flag. It's clear that this was from one of the hindu regiments under the Sikh raj. I think GPS said it was probably from a dogra regiment.

If someone didn't have a proper knowledge of history and the rehitnames that say a Khalsa never wears red or green, they would incorrectly think that Akali Singhs would carry such a flag.

yes your partially right...but general sikh units in lahore army also carried standards with chandi/kalka on them...also Kartikeya (shiv jis son) is also found on many standards as he was the commander of the army of devte....dont mix this up with worship....sikhs dont worship devte..but we used their heroic personalities as inspiration in battle....the akaalis used to carry traditional neela nishan of tegh, katar and shield but the most important standard was the ashtbhuja ...the personal standard of guru gobind singh ji...which is pictured in my display pic...

Whata Hanuman got to do with anything? So the artists that came to the Punjab during the Sikh Raj were Hindus originating from Kangra province and they did illustrations on what they new best that was Hindu mythology. The Sikhs were not great art lovers and left them to it. Why by the way are you obessed with Hindu mythology?

The story about the Sikh Cavalry being below par was put around by the British. The traitor Brahmin generals Lal Singh and Tej Singh, who to our misfortune became commanders simply did not engage the cavalry and sent them in the wrong direction in many of the battles in the First Sikh war. These traitors disrupted the Sikh army and asked the British on how best to get the Sikh army defeated. In the Second Sikh war a true Sikh was in command Sher Singh Attariwala and if you read the Chillianwalla account it was the Sikh cavalry that caused the British cavalry to flee in panic an run over their own infantry. The cavalry was commanded by Hari Singh Nalwas son at this battle, and it shows that even when the Sikhs were outnumbered wiith a Sikh as leader they were capable of defeating the British. The British then mustered a huge army from all over their empire and were also helped by most of the Indian rajas to overwhelm the Sikhs in the further battles.

The Badal clan were there in Malwa during during the British invasion ,originally during the Misl period the Sikhs spread out from Amritsar/Lahore area and captured the Punjab. The Malwa chiefs had earlier sought British protection in 1809 with the Sutlej river becoming the border between the Sikh Empire and the British Empire.

From the article;

The Sikh horsemen led by Jawahir Singh Nalwa63 the bold and dashing son of Sardar Hari Singh Nalwa now realising that poor execution and bad terrain had brought Pope’s apology of a cavalry charge to an absolute halt64 now counter charged. Jawahir Singh with his band of horsemen emerged, once again, through the wild Doab jungle, and charged Popes force, in the process of which some Sikh horsemen physically attacked Brigadier Pope, cutting him across the head with his Tulwar, and wounding him 65. At this critical stage of the battle Pope’s brigade which had already halted and was waiting for orders, now became leaderless. An event then occurred which the British historians right from 1849 onwards find hard to explain or account for. HM 14th Light Dragoon turned about and bolted! The native cavalry also panicked and followed HM 14th Light Dragoon rearwards, galloping through at top speed through their own horse artillery batteries backwards! Fortescue states that HM 14th Light Dragoon bolted because Pope gave them a word of command of “Threes Right” which they heard as something like “Threes about” 66 and that’s why the unit bolted! There is no doubt that had a native cavalry unit done so Fortescue’s verdict may have been much more harsh! Jawahir Singh Nalwa pursued Pope’s cavalry brigade with great elan, cutting down many British Horse artillerymen including Major Christie, one of the battery commanders , destroying six guns and carrying four guns intact apart from two ammunition wagons and fifty three horses as war trophies!67 Pope’s cavalry brigade from this moment onwards ceased to be a fighting formation! It was rallied with great difficulty by Gough’s staff and the regimental Chaplain of HM 14 LD, with his pistol! It was said that Gough recommended the Chaplain to be promoted to the rank of Brevet Bishop ,on the battlefield!68

The flight of Pope’s brigade resulted in a serious operational imbalance in the British position . Their right rear flank was now vulnerable to counter attack . Sher Singh Attariwalla immediately ordered a counter attack and Sikh infantry and cavalry west of Rasul immediately advanced down from the heights through the open gap encircling Gilbert’s division from the rear! It was Pope’s good luck that he died soon afterwards from wounds suffered in the battle.

i am not obcessed with hindu mythology...but i am obcessed with sikh history...i dont like the fact history is being whitewashed just because its distasteful to a segment of the community...

which battle is that account from?...chillianwala? sabroan?.....later battles we had to rely soley on our irregular cavalry who were famed for their gung-ho frontal charges...

Can anyone please tell me where in Dasam Bani it says the following:

Raj bina neh Dharam chale hain

Dharam bina sab dale male hain

i dont think thats sri dasam granth...i think its from suraj parkash

There is a book written on this "Tega Singh" by Master Tara Singh. in the introduction he says it is based on a true story. A young boy joins the cavalry(Korh-Charre) in Maharaja Ranjit Singh's army. Then comes the famous last stand with Shaam Singh Attari, then an emotional part when the British force all Sikh soldiers to hand in their talwaars/kirpaans. Tega Singh is disgusted and go through with and runs away to become an outlaw and eventually a daku. He meets other ex Sikh soldiers as daku's.

Tara Singh wrote this book to preserve the personal stories of the elders in his village. I think it was written during the British Raj.

If Sikhs had the best horses, and were the best horseriders, why would their cavalry be the worst?

actually nearly all accounts ive read from that time period describe the standard of horse used by singhs as low...you have to understand singhs were masters of guerilla warfare...hit and run tactics....so when the kingdom started training a conventional army based on european standard...the infantry and artillery was given priority early on..the cavalry was ignored for a long time...with sikhs relying on the irregular gorcharra cavalry or on the cavalry of the jagirdars ...even though the sikhs did have lancers trained in european cavalry discipline...they were being trained too late...they were too few in number...so by the time we started the war with the bitish..our cavalry could not match theirs...it was a irregular, ill equipped, ill disciplined cavalry..who knew only how to hit and then run....you can never match top quality cavalry of that time..especially the well trained, well equipped cavalry of the british with such tactics...which is why the infantry and artillerry were primarily used in the battles against british...with cavalry only being used defensively to cover flanks...to scout....or to cut down wounded and retreating troops

our infantry was probably equally on par with that of the british...both well equipped and both well disciplined..but our artillery outmatched that of the bitish...which they even admitted...our cannon outnumbered theirs...and they were also more powerful and bigger..our artillerymen were all above 6ft, well muscular...a british officer described them as being beasts...who would protect the cannon till the end with such ferocity...the rate of our cannon was also higher which only demonstrates good training...at the battle of mudki the british at first were so thoroughly defeated that they began burning up important document and were preparing for unconditional surrender...but our general was bought...and failed to attack...allowing enough time for british to retreat...after that it all went down hill with the exception chillianwala jung

hurrrr is an old phrase 2 control ox's/bullocks n other bigger animals, and burrrrrah, is used 2 control goats

yh i have been told this before too

I have not been here but you may be able to see Sikh artillary at the Sikh museum at Derby. The Royal artillary museum at Woolwich near London definately has Sikh artillary guns there.

http://www.nationalsikhmuseum.com/

interesting to note cannons used by the Sikh army had frescos of Hanuman on them,,,interesting

Yes sikhs had the premier army in the whole of asia....this was before the rise of japan as a millitary power....The infantry and artillery were up to the standards of the british...but the cavalry was below par....never matched the british...poorly trained and poorly disciplined but still put up a good fight mainly due to the tenacity of the sikh soldier. The biggest weakness we had was our terrible leadership with the exception of a few etc Sham singh attari....we lost because our millitary leadership had been bribed before the war even began...not much has changed

make sure you do the full chapuai sahib not the shortened one..

abit of research i found out that jagat singh was not an ex serviceman of the sikkh raj because he was born 40 years after it....however it raises questions...what did all the disbanded units of the army of the sikh raaj do after the fall of the kingdom?...did they enter service of the various sikh principalities and british or did they turn to crime

just read this on the comments page...

'Jagga Daku's original name was Jagat Singh.. he was probably a high ranking officer during Sikh Raj. Then 1849 after British Conquest of Punjab, most of the Sikh soldiers of Sikh Raj were disbanded. As a result most of these unemployed Sikh soldiers turned dacoits. If you check the records of British Rule almost all the dacoits in Central Punjab from 1850s to 1870s were Sikhs and ex-soldiers of Sikh Raj.'

can anyone verify this?

The Deadly Weapon of Theocratic Hindu Indian State

Indian State is run by the policies emanating from the fascist organizations and so called think tanks controlled by RSS. Theses think tanks has very influential high ranking ex diplomats, ex heads of RAW (India’s equivalent of CIA), ex chiefs of Military and Navy, retired judges of Supreme Court of India . These people continue to advise their contacts in various branches privately. This is how the fascist policies get formed indirectly by the state, regardless of which party forms the government. An article exposing one such think tank is posted below. At the end of the article S. Simranjit Singh Mann has added his comment regarding these think tanks. Please read that also

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Source: http://www.akalidala...ntCommentID=212

At centre of stirs against graft, a body with RSS links, ex-babus

THIS’s(Theocratic Hindu Indian States) deadly weapon

The Indian Express dated : 20 August 2012

At centre of stirs against graft, a body with RSS links, ex-babus

: Manoj C.G.: New Delhi, Mon Aug 20 2012, 02:34 hrs

file:///C:%5CWINDOWS%5CTEMP%5Cmsohtmlclip1%5C01%5Cclip_image003.jpgA high profile institute-cum-think tank in the heart of New Delhi’s diplomatic area in Chanakyapuri, set up on land allotted by the then Narasimha Rao government, a clutch of former intelligence officials running the place, and a group of well-known RSS swayamsewaks — they are the silent force behind the recent anti-corruption movements in the country, especially the one led by Baba Ramdev.

In fact, it was at the Vivekananda International Foundation last year that a decision was taken to form an anti-corruption front under Baba Ramdev — this was just days before Anna Hazare sat on his first fast. The foundation’s director is Ajit Doval, a former director of the Intelligence Bureau. It was at the foundation again that the first serious attempt was made to bring Ramdev and Team Anna members together.

Inaugurated in 2009, the Vivekananda International Foundation is a project of the Vivekananda Kendra, founded in the early 1970s by former RSS general secretary Eknath Ranade and headed now by RSS pracharak P Parameswaran.

It was in April last year that the foundation, together with RSS ideologue K N Govindacharya’s Rashtriya Swabhiman Andolan, organised a seminar on corruption and black money attended by both Ramdev and Team Anna members Arvind Kejriwal and Kiran Bedi.

At the end of the two-day seminar, held on April 1 and 2, an “anti-corruption front” was formed with Ramdev as patron and Govindacharya as convenor. The members included Doval; RSS swayamsewak S Gurumurthy; Bhishm Agnihotri, who was India’s ambassador-at-large during the NDA regime; and Prof R Vaidyanathan of IIM-Bangalore, who co-authored a BJP task force’s report on black money along with Doval and Ved Pratap Vaidik.

The two-page statement at the end of the seminar said that Ramdev had declared an “all-out war on corruption and that the front would announce immediate actionable programmes and reach out to like-minded anti-corruption organisations, institutions and individuals”.

Soon after the seminar, Hazare’s fast began, and in April end, Ramdev announced his June 4 Ramlila Maidan protest — his first public showdown with the UPA government.

Apart from the fact that it operates from government-allotted land, the foundation’s advisory board and executive council consist of a host of former intelligence officials, retired bureaucrats, diplomats and ex-military men. These include former RAW chief A K Verma, ex-Army chief V N Sharma, ex-Navy chief Vijai Singh Shekhawat, ex-air chiefs S Krishnaswamy and S P Tyagi, former BSF chief Prakash Singh, ex-foreign secretary Kanwal Sibal, former deputy national security advisor Satish Chandra and ex-home secretary Anil Baijal.

Asked about the seminar, Doval said it was on an issue of national importance and was attended by, among others, Subramanian Swamy, Justice M N Venkatachaliah, Justice J S Verma, former Lok Sabha secretary general Subhash Kashyap and ex-chief election commissioner N Gopalaswamy.

However, Doval added that while he supported anti-corruption agitations, the Vivekanand Internation Foundation had no role in the protests. “We strongly feel that it is time a stronger, stable, secure and prosperous India plays its destined role in global affairs and finds its deserved place among the comity of nations. Corruption and black money are draining India. We not at all feel defensive about talking about these issues,” he said.

Interestingly, apart from Ramdev and Team Anna members, another of those who had attended the seminar, Swamy, also announced the formation of an anti-graft front — ‘The Action Committee Against Corruption in India’. While Ramdev was the chief guest at its first meeting, the committee’s members included the same cast of Govindacharya, Gurumurthy, Doval and Vaidyanathan.

Asked about Ramdev’s connection to the foundation, Govindacharya said he has been a “frequenter”. “Ramdev and I have been in constant touch since August 2010 (Ramdev had travelled to Gulbarga in December 2010 to attend Govindacharya’s Bharat Vikas Sangam). He used to come to the Vivekananda Foundation. He had a few places in Delhi, but the foundation was the easiest place for him and for others too for meetings,” he said.

Govindacharya also admitted that the seminar hoped to have “some sort of closer coordination” by bringing together the Ramdev and Anna camps.

The RSS ideologue didn’t deny the Sangh link either. Asked if it would be wrong to assume that the Vivekananda Kendra and foundation were all connected with the RSS, he said: “One can deduce that... Organisationally, the RSS doesn’t get involved. Swayamsevaks take initiatives.”

Doval, however, said the foundation was independent and had nothing to do with the RSS. “We had no role in his (Ramdev’s) agitation. None of us went there. We are an independent and registered body. We don’t receive government funding,” he said.

Mukul Kanitkar, who was with the foundation earlier, pointed out that bureaucrats, including those from the PMO, regularly attend seminars organised by the foundation on issues of national security. In fact, Union Culture Minister Kumari Selja is scheduled to release a book called ‘The Historicity of Vedic and Ramayana Era: Scientific evidences from the depths of ocean to the heights of skies’, at the foundation this week.

Despite his association with Ramdev’s campaign, Govindacharya now feels the movement is over. “Both the movements (Anna and Ramdev’s) are lost in the black hole of power and party politics... Ramdev would now become an ally or promoter of the BJP cause,” he said.

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Comments by Simranjit Singh Mann:-

The Shiromani Akali Dal(Amritsar) states that now the cat is out of the bag after we read the report above. The mystery of so many groups of the Sikhs joining the perfidious Hindutva ideology can now be solved and explained. It can be seen that most Hindu officers holding the highest posts where policy is made and executed belong to the extremist Hindu ideology of the RSS and the BJP and are now members of Vivekananda International Foundation. The Congress party which pretends to be secular willy-nilly follows the diktat of the RSS ideology that emanates from its headquarters from Nagpur. That is why the BJP and the Congress party along with other political parties in THIS(Theocratic Hindu Indian States) spear- headed the military attack on the Sikhs holiest shrine in Amritsar in 1984. The Islamic historic Babri Masjid was also reduced to the ground in 1992 by BJP’s LK Advani and the then Congress party Prime Minister Narsimha Rao.

After all in 1947 it were the Hindu leaders Nehru, Patel, Shama Prasad Mukherji and Gandhi who divided British India communally with the connivance of Mohammad Ali Jinnah into to theocratic states-Islamic Pakistan and THIS(Theocratic Hindu Indian States), leaving the third national power the Sikhs high and dry.

If we look up the names of the officers who have joined this communal group called Vivekananda International Foundation, we find the name of Bhishm Agnihotri who was THIS’s(Theocratic Hindu Indian States) Ambassador at large during the BJP government headed by A.B Vajpayee who went and enticed Sikh groups in America and Canada who stood for and independent and sovereign state of Khalistan to renege from their stand and join the main stream THIS’s(Theocratic Hindu Indian States) so called nationalism. Sadly the group that Agnihotri seduced was the Sikh Youth of America run under the leadership of supine Sikhs Chela and Mana, supported by Dr. Amarjit Singh and Dr. Pritpal Singh (God knows where these gentleman have got their doctorates from?). This very group of the Vivekananda International Foundation is also responsible for infiltrating into the Sikh think tank seminary of the Damdami Taksal and taking the RSS Chief Sudarshan Babu to this seminary at Mehta Chowk in which the Damdami Taksal leadership was seduced and brought into the treacherous ideology of Hindutva.

The Vivekananda International Foundation and its members use threats, of state terror, power, monetary economic inducements and state largesse, use their influence in the government to withdraw cases of sedition falsely brought about amongst stateless Sikhs, offer them arms licences for which the Sikhs have a weakness and penchant for besides offering them sinecures and prized government jobs for Sikh leaders children and relatives. Since the members of this Foundation are past masters in the art intelligence gathering and espionage have held high legal, administrative, diplomatic and military assignments, they wield astronomical political and administrative influence in the running and functioning of the government at the Union and the states. These Foundation members represent the core, hard and jingoistic ideology of Hindutva. Their word is final and the gospel of the Hindu state. They will watch every step of the Sikh army chief and he should remain on high alert as should all Sikh officers and politicos who have an independent mind and pride in their distinct Sikh nationality.

Then from this list of right wing fanatics we come across the name of ex-chief election commissioner N Gopalaswamy who filed a writ petition in the Supreme Court against the appointment of General Bikram Singh because this group had decided that a Sikh should not be elevated to such an exalted post.

If we look at the report closely we see that Vivekananda International Foundation was started by the blessings and largesse of former Congress party Prime Minister Narsimha Rao who not only unleashed state terrorism against the Sikhs through his henchmen Chief Minister Beant Singh and his DGP KPS Gill but also brought down the holy Islamic edifice- the Babri Masjid.

Such institutes are the hollow bosoms of the theocratic Hindu state that unleashed state terror on the hapless stateless Sikhs and other minorities. From the report above it will also be seen that the Vivekananda International Foundation has close links with the Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s office. Manmohan Singh was Narsimha Rao’s Finance Minister, the number two in his cabinet. If we say that the cabinet system works on the principle of joint responsibility, then we cannot absolve the current Premier Manmohan Singh from his share of the blame for the demolition of the Babri Masjid in 1992 along with Narsimha Rao, LK Advani, the RSS and all these shady gentlemen who run the Vivekananda International Foundation.

The ill-fated Kanishka Air India flight that took off from Canada and crashed into the Irish Sea was also the handiwork of these senile creatures of this and other such like Foundations to give the Sikhs a bad name, label them as terrorists so that they cannot legitimately, democratically and peacefully forward their case for an independent and sovereign state, to be a buffer state between Islamic Pakistan, Communist China and THIS(Theocratic Hindu Indian States), all implacable historic enemies and armed with deadly nuclear weapons. The buffer Sikh state can only guarantee eternal peace in South Asia.

We appeal to all Sikhs who have been seduced by the perfidious Hindutva ideology to come back to the Sikh national fold. The Hindutva ideology is nothing but the Nazi ideology. Since the Hindus state that they are Aryans by race, they and the Nazi’s share the common swastika as their national symbol.

Hindu Swastika

Nazi Swastika

ive lost all respect for mann when he started forming links with dirty missionaries...anything he writes now i view as garbge

www.scribd.com/doc/28563324/Complete-Sri-Sarbloh-Granth-Sahib-Ji-Steek

Read the Steek here. What you are looking for is on page 65 of the steek.

Thank you veer for the link

Is there anything at Gurdwara Dukh Niwaran Sahib to commemorate this? Thats alsmost as manySikhs that died in Wadda Ghallughara.

If the Buddha Dal account is more accurate, then thats thats even more Sikhs dying than the Wadda Ghallughara.

KGM, Do you have any dates or months for this battle, at least we could commemorate this event in the calendar month?

Veer i will trying finding out the date from a few singhs...From what i know it is acknowledged and commemorated in the calendar year of the dal...but not outside the dal...most likely because people dont know...and the ones who do know... for beliefs and jathebandi reasons dont want to acknowledge and accept shaheedi of akaalis

A question was actually put forward that the remains should be dug up and cremated...i have no idea if there will be an attempt to retrieve the remains...but i hope there is...atleast then the shaheedi of these singhs can be proven and a memorial can be set up

People do come up with fantasy stories especially when it concerns Nihangs. The reasons given for the murderous assault on Maharja Ranjit Singh was due to his allowing the British representatives to enter Punjab. If the Nihangs were so far sighted then why did they not assassinate the Dogras? It was the Lahore army which killed Hira Singh Dogra. The story about Sham Singh Attariwala appears to be an attempt to brush some of the glory of Sham Singh onto Hanuman Singh. Sham Singh had been a great general of the Khalsa army, he was a Jagirdar who would have paid for and supplied a jagirdari contingent to the Khalsa army so he was not exactly without an army as the account claims.

The deaths of 15,000 Nihangs at Patiala might have a basis in a minor skirmish between Nihangs and the Patiala Maharaja but really, 15,000 deaths are more than the number that the Khalsa army lost at Sabraon. If Nihang accounts claim that the number was 30,000 then this just shows how fantasy stories are created and then lose even the minor relationship thay they might have had with reality.

As for the shoot on sight order against Nihangs this appear to be another fantasy. The British were not exactly shy of committing atrocities but there is no record of a shoot on sight order or even records of atrocities committed against Nihangs. Only a decade later the British committed many atrocities against the mutineers even destroying entire villages where British civilians had been murdered and those records are there for all to see.

Didnt i tell you to get yourself sorted out...your blatant hatred and dislike for nihangs is unhealthy...i suggest you see a doctor about it

if you call this a lie....please tell me how a akaali fauj numbering in the tens of thousands dwindled to low as a few hundred nihangs in the space of a few decades...if they were not hunted down and persecuted...please tell me how they become a powerful force to facing extinction....

read coloner steinbachs account on nihaangs and how he loathed them and wished for their extinction...what do you think he told the british to do when he switched sides?...practically all accounts written in that time frame from westerners is of dislike for the akaalis...they were hated because they were the only group who would not tolerate the firangi...

This was an honest post about the memeory of jathedar baba hanuman singh ji...and you have to come on here in an attempt to destroy his legacy and put his name in the mud...clear off if you have nothing positive to say

According to the Budha Dal Steek on Sarbloh Granth:

Bhavani (the fericous form of Parbati, Shivji's consort, also known as Durga, Bhagauti) here is noted as "Paida karan vali shakti", meaning, that She is the Creative (that which gives birth) Energy of the Universe.

Maya Laxmi (Vishnu's consort) is noted as "Paalnaa karan vali Shakti", meaning She is the Nourishing/protecting Energy of the Universe.

The Steek talks about how these Devi's represent Guna's (qualities) of Vahiguru.

Taken from Sikh Reality's blog

Future of Sikhi is outside of India

true but heart of sikhi will always be punjab..we have too much history there...

Isn't it right to say he was the caretaker or leader of Misl Shaheedan, not Budha Dal. I don't think it was called Budha Dal then although Budha Dal came from Misl Shaheedan, just like Damdami Taksal wasn't called that then either.

Oh man, what I'd give to travel back in time.

Dal panth was seperated into two groups...Tarnal Dal and Bhudda dal...bhudda dal was essentially the governing body and all dals/battalions accepted their authority... Baba Hanuman Singh ji was jathedar of the Bhudda Dal...he was jathedar of the whole panth at one time...following the jathedari of akaali phoola singh...its a shame the average sikh doesnt even know who he was ...

All misls were Tarna Dal and Tarna dal fell under Bhudda Dal's control...Misl Shaheedan was the dal of Shaheed Baba Deep Singh Ji who was a jathedar within Tarna Dal... Modern day Taksalis are basically an offshoot of Tarna Dal Misl Shaheedan..at one time they were one and the same...

Apologies for any mistakes

No conspiracy veerji. Many innovations and deviations have crept into the Nihangs. Some amrit sanchaars of the Nihangs, they would administer a different Amrit to the so called lower castes. If this isn't an innovation what is? Same way their ritual Bhang and meat consumption is a part of this innovation and deviation. Just look at their Dastars. If one were to look at Nihang Dumallas a 100 years ago they were different and if you go back 100 year even before that they were even more different. So to say Nihangs of today are unchanged for the last 300 years is simply not true, sad fact is changes do happen.

Firstly you want ekta between nihangs and the rest etc, how do you expect that when you point fingers at maryada of nihangs and say its deviated and pakhand, good luck with that ekta then

And secondly bro your exmple of dumalle design changing is poor. The Nihangs have kept the rehat of oocha bunga, to keep chakar and kharag in their dumalle. I agree the design has changed slighly but it still sticks to guidlines of rehat. As their is no hukam to what shape your oocha bunga/dumalla should be. Nihangs have never and will never change puraatan rehat maryada, yes thing naturally change but nihangs have always clinged to rehat, they have not altered it, until you provide me with concrete evidence otherwise it is just a baseless conspiracy. The use of Sukh Nidhaan is from the time of the Guru and it has not changed, you can argue to what extent it should be consumed and when but fact is fact...Sukh Nidhaan was a tradition practised by puraatan akaali khalsa and will continue to be practised by their akaali descendants. You can disagree with it, but this tradition will remain. I dont agree this tradition is for all sikhs btw, only for akaalis who are living a chakarvarti lifestyle

And i agree with you, Nihangs need to go back to their former character. It will happen slowly, things will take time

http://www.sikhsange...2-Ragas%29.html

This is an amazing collection right here...

amazing!..thank you for the link bro