MansWisdom

Veer Ji, I never understood one thing about you. Are Guru's never encouraged us to be yogis or sadhus but yet you bring it up alot. you know it is easy to go into jungle and do tapsa but it is hard to live in this world and do tapsa. See if you ever come back from your jungle, this world is going to effect you again and your tapsa will not as fruitful, as if you lived in the world and did tapsa and rised above it all.

I am a very big moorak and i am still learning about Sikhi, so if I am wrong please correct me.

Yes penji the world is too much for me I still have not managed to concentrate my mind on the shabad yet. I have basically wasted 20 years of my life. Now it is time for me to change and leave and never return until I get hukam to do so. The gurus were never against the root of a behungum, otherwise they would never mention bhagat dru, bhagat pipa, dust daman etc. Penji doing bhati away from the world is very hard maybe not mentally but physically. Trust I have been practising this for awhile. Also I am not saying grist jeevan is wrong but it is to much for me....

Anyway goodluck sangat Ji I hope chardikala for the sikh sangat. Good luck this is my last post here as I am leaving and going to India to never return as tomorrow is my flight. Waheguru Ji ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji ke Fateh. I want to follow the path of bhagat dru and bhagat pippa, I hope waheguru looks after me.

I personally would never marry a singh that is so insecure that he is more worried about marriage then his sikhi. I rather not marry..

I don't want to get married either I want to be a YOGI or sadhu that meditates on waheguru 24/7. But I'm far from it but will get there through kirpa hopefully with couple of years. Peeps do u know of any good jungles to go and meditate in especially in uk or India lol?

I can't believe there is a thread on this. I've seen the sing along shabad on sikh channel many times and I still can't understand what is wrong with it.

"YES ITS TERRIBLE...GURBANI BEING TURNED INTO SOME LITTLE KIDS LULLABY"

You joking?

how can you say that all I see is guru de pyareh sikhs singhing with prem.

If you feel that way why don't you go to the kids and tell them they are being anti panthic and turning gurbani into a lullaby lol? I bet you won't dare to ever do this...(I hope not lol don't know some ppl as it is KALJUG...)

Dhanvaad for telling me what sant jajit singh ji said. I know it is hard to follow because we're not used this kind of practice. But if we try then it will become easier over time..... Personally I don't think you will get better advice then sant ji has mentioned.

If you keep dietry bibek it really helps you especially when concentrating in simran/ bani etc. I also believe that following bibek or even better sarbloh bibek it helps you have better control over the panj chor and penji rather than increase your ego it actually helps decrease it. I think bhai sahib randeir Singh ji has written a book on gurmat bibek and books about sarbloh bibek. Also bhai sahib followed sarbloh bibek himself.

"I mean they must do a lot of bani, but how does one not get EGO or think of themsevles as superior if they do not even accept langar such as DHan Dhan Guru Raam Das Langar at Harmandhar Sahib,?"

Penji I think that others around you have insecurities when you start to follow bibek as they start thinking your above everybody. But they don't understand how difficult it is to follow and 1 does it all for guru's blessing and happiness with you.

The Faridkot Wala Teeka is the oldest and best resource with regards to the Guru Granth Sahib Ji as it contains the uthanikas whilst others do not do so. It is in complete harmony with Gurmat and their are no issues with it.

Kam1825 veer ji is 100% correct. There is no problem with the Faridkot Wala Teeka, the problem arises due to our misunderstanding and lack of knowledge.

Marriage is for children, you think you are in love with someone but it is actually your soul that is crying for waheguru's love! But the deception of maya and kaam is unforgiving. BE CAREFUL!

Kaam is very strong these days and 1 way to help you from falling is to practice this technique I learnt. Basically never look at a woman and vice vera always look down etc. To avoid dodgy thoughts as if you don't see them then it really helps. Try it

Yh I know ji but what daas was saying is if I could.... lol

Also some mans I know have ridhia and sidhia by doing simran and they use these powers to get money. Not very good is it?

Mohinder pal do you know which sant said this? You can pm me if you don't want to tell others. Safe

Bare mans, I know many who do this for free out of true love.. Anyway I wish I got money for saying waheguru... All my money problems will be solved and I wouldn't be soooo poooor....

Your lucky to get advice from a brahmgiani, follow it to the t and you will be able to forgive & forget in no time.

Lol Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

wuts the point of having a wife if u STILL have to cook ur own food,

oh the pain!

Lol The pain is unbearable how can someone do such a horrific thing?!

Okay so

u mite as well not share

the bathroom

the BED

well anything at all with this average wife..

the thing is, i dont think we should be so narrowminded--- yes i kno u want to have matching rehit with ur future wife, but a bibi that hasn't kept bibek yet could be a chardi kala bebe that did alot of kamai in her past life, u could help her get into bibek be4 u get married

EDIT

But tbh it really depends on harinder if he wants to follow bibek or not....

Hence we can conclude that:

There is no difference between the gurus and krishan avatar, ram chandar, raja janak etc.

Har harjan dohi ik he bib bechar kich nah

God and gods lovers(brahmgiani, avtars, gurus etc) are 1 comparing them is futile

Or Maybe you need to start believing bani rather than be brainwashed by 'what you've been told'.

Just to let you know the mahapurakh that told me this was pooran and is very well known to the panth. Brahmgianis do not "brainwash" you rather they give you true gian of gurbani NOT JUST THE MINUTE GIAN YOU GET OF THE ENGLISH TRANSLATIONS OF THE INTERNET.

Gurbani states firstly that there is no one like our Guru, ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਜੇਵਡੁ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥

Saṯgur jevad avar na ko▫e.

No one else is as great as the True Guru.

Singh I humbly request that you dig deeper into gurbani rather than just plugging english translations of the internet your not interpretating them right.

The reason is that the term satguru doesn't just mean the sikh gurus only it means any avtar, pooran brahmgiani etc. The term satguru has been discussed by mahapuraks many times and even brahmgiani sant jagjit singh discusses the meaning. Please please listen to the veechar it can be found online.

Now replace the definition of satguru with what the brahmgianis say now it makes more sense doesn't it ji?

How can there be a comparison between the devte who LONG for the sat naam, and the Satguru who is the sole giver of sat Naam!

Sant Jagjit singh ji, sant isher singh ji, sant dalel singh ji, sant harnam singh ji, sant karam singh ji etc all mention satguru was in the existance in nirgun saroop from the beginning. They came as sargun saroop of ram chandar, krishan avatar, Guru avtar etc to spread naam. All avtars were pooran brahmgianis in their past life before they took form as avtars. For e.g. Guru gobind singh ji's past incarnation was dusht daman and his "satguru" was a rishi who gave him "nam" or charan paul amrit. Then once he became 1 he came as guru avtar in kal Jug.

Also if you have a chance to study any of the brahmgiani's writings above you will come to understand this. I used to think sikhi is the ONLY WAY. But after veechars and getting personal bachans from pooran brahmgianis daas has noticed how universal all brahmgianis are just like how universal waheguru is for everyone not JUST SIKHS. Also this is what sant jagjit singh ji said when a premi asked them that are sikhs only accepted to meet waheguru(Sachkand)? He said no, anyone from any dharam can. Making all the avtars sachkandis themselve otherwise the followers of another religion cannot meet god if their avatars won't sachkandis. Santji further explained that if waheguru favoured the sikhs more then he would of given the sikhs further privileges such as wealth while ppl of other religions would of been made poor, given them water while other religions would of been left thirsty and hungry. Clearly this is not the case and my point being all avtars and guru are the same comparing them is futile and all religions are equally pleasing to akal purakh.

Singh Ji you need to listen to veechar by brahmgianis as their knowledge is true and the english translation don't compare to their knowledge that are found on the internet as it was not written by gian vadis. 1 premi once asked how much more knowledge does a brahmgiani have compared to a person that is agiani? The answer given was a metaphor as the knowledge comparison can't be described. The metaphor given was that the agiani's knowledge is equivelent to a drop of water while a brahmgiani's knowledge is equivelent to the vast water of the oceans!

Also 1 more thing all the avtars and guru avtars were not born nor did they die. Veechar is done on this as well so please spend your time learning what this means. Look out for how the avtars bodies differ from ours and how they came into existance etc. You will get your answer.

So please please listen to veechars and educate yourself.

Being gupt is not a bad thing.. Bare people keep gupt so do I lol..

On a serious note quiet a lot of high avasta people I know keep gupt especially in Birmingham. I know some singh that sits in his room in samadhi all day but no one knows that he is such a high spirtual soul. Going even further a lot of brahmgianis remain gupt from the world they have even become pooran. The reason they remain gupt is because they haven't got hukam from waheguru yet to teach others. While some mahapursh such as sant isher singh, sant nand singh and sant basant singh etc were given hukam to do so. So chillax to what makes you happy...

Bibek is VERY IMPORTANT especially if you keep it then you do not want to go back eating without it. Your better of not getting married, why the rush? wait longer then get married to a suitable wife if you still can not find one FORGET MARRIAGE. Stay strong to yourself...

Gurfateh Jiooo

Paji I have another huge benti. Can you ask just 1 MORE QUESTION. A penji had requested that I asked this but it totally slipped my mind. So if it is possible please ask this..

Today espcially in the west some girls are hesitant to take amrit because of the growth of excessive facial hair, some have courage and take amrit but a lot say that facial hair makes them look like a "man". Anyway they tell daas it is too much to have hair on their face and work at a job with people starring at you and go uni etc.

Basically the pressure of society is too much. Some of them are worried that if they don't take amrit they will not get any kirpa from guru sahib and will go to hell and never get to meet waheguru. Is this true do they have a chance to get to sachkand without taking amrit?

What advice would you give them?

Also some penji believe that before taking amrit they should have laser hair treatment on the face and then take amrit as they believe guruji will forgive them for it since they have taken it before amrit. Is this right and allowed?

N30S1NGH if there is time please ask these questions as well. But first go through other set of questions that I posted above, if there is time then ask sant ji about these as well...

Sorry these questions turned out to be so many... Too many premis wanted to know the answers to these :|

Some people say that Guru Gobind singh ji was not the sargun saroop of waheguru they say that guru gobind singh said if you call me god you will fall in the pit of hell. How can guru ji throw you in hell by calling him god?

In gurbani it says this below, can santji please do veechar of this?

"mau ko parmeswar jo uchare te sab narak kund main jaaye” (Can't seem to find the gurbani for this)

Those who call me God, will fall into the deep pit of hell.

Is raagmala true or kachi bani?

How can you conquer/completely or control the panj chor?

Bhagat dhanna did bhagti of a stone that a brahmin pandit gave him. He observed the stone as god but isn't worshipping a stone against gurmat and how did he meet god by this anti gurmat practice?

If one does penance in this age while combined with bhagti will it be worth more value than just doing bhagti on it's own?

Sant ji told us in the past recording that say a person who doesn't meet waheguru in this life will get another chance of human life in the next as long as they did bhagti and kept rehit. Anyway the question is how long does one have to wait to get a chance of human life again?

On average how long is charci lakh joon?

Does a paapi have to go through all the charci lakh joon or some of it or does it depend on waheguru?

It has been said that if a paapi dies it takes them over a year to get to dharamraj. In that 1 year or more they are beaten up by the jamdoots etc.

Is this true?

Also how long will it take a person who had some kamai to get to dharamraj's court?

Can sant ji explain the journey to dharamraj's court in more detail?

Does a gurmukh who has left his/her body have to go to dharamraj's court and get judged?

If your family stops you from taking amrit and doing paart should you leave them?

Many people when interpretating gurbani say that in japji sahib paart that in the pauri where guru nanak dev ji talks about gian khand it says that bhagats like dru and krishan avatar are only in gian khand and that because they didn't have a guru they only remained in gian khand and couldn't get to sachkhand, is this true?

Can sant Ji do veechar of this tuk where it states this as well?

ਕੇਤੀਆ ਕਰਮ ਭੂਮੀ ਮੇਰ ਕੇਤੇ ਕੇਤੇ ਧੂ ਉਪਦੇਸ ॥ ਧੂ = Bhagat Dru according to english translations

Also about krishan avatar only being in gian khand and not sachkand. Can sant ji do veechar of this tuk as well.

ਕੇਤੇ ਪਵਣ ਪਾਣੀ ਵੈਸੰਤਰ ਕੇਤੇ ਕਾਨ ਮਹੇਸ ॥

Daas,

MansWisdom

N30S1ngh I have further questions from more sangat that would really like to know more stuff. Are the above questions enough or will there be time to ask more questions to sant ji?

The questions that daas and other premis really want to know are:

Last time sant ji in the previous recording said that krishan bhagwan was sargun saroop of waheguru. However some of the sangat are doing shanka on this and they are saying that guru ji called krishan Ji a worm (ਕੀਟ). Also it says that waheguru created millions of krishans but wasn't there 1? Can sant ji do veechar on the tuks below?

ਕਿਤੇ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਸੇ ਕੀਟ ਕੋਟੈ ਬਨਾਏ ॥ ਕਿਤੇ ਰਾਮ ਸੇ ਮੇਟਿ ਡਾਰੇ ਉਪਾਏ ॥

Somewhere He hath created millions of the worms like Krishna. Somewhere He hath effaced and then created (many) like Rama

Also the english translations are saying that kal destroyed all the avatars such as ram chandar, krishan etc. How can this be if they were sargun saroop of waheguru and if they were all in sachkandi (sant ji in previous recording has said that wherever krishan bagwan walked became sachkand) how can kal touch them?

ਜਿਤੇ ਰਾਮ ਸੇ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਹੁਇ ਬਿਸਨ ਆਏ ॥ ਤਿਤਿਓ ਕਾਲ ਖਾਪਿਓ ਨ ਤੇ ਕਾਲ ਘਾਏ ॥੨੮॥

All the incarnations of Vishnu like Rama and Krishan were destroyed by KAL, but they could not destroy him

Also can santji do veechar on these tuks below as well.

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਮਹੇਸਰ ਬਿਸਨ ਸਚੀਪਿਤ ਅੰਤ ਫਸੇ ਜਮ ਫਾਸਿ ਪਰੈਂਗੇ ॥

Brahma, Shiva, Vishnu and Consort of Sachi (Indra) would ultimately fall in the noose of death

ਬੇਖ ਕੀਓ ਹਰਿ ਬਾਮਨ ਕੋ ਬਲ ਬਾਵਨ ਜਿਉ ਛਲਬੇ ਕਹੁ ਆਯੋ ॥ ਰੇ ਚਤੁਰਾਨਨ ਤੂ ਬਸਿ ਕਾਨਨ ਕਾ ਕੇ ਕਹੇ ਤਪਿਸਾ ਤਜਿ ਧਾਯੋ ॥

O Krishna (Vishnu) ! you have put on the garb of a Brahmin and have come to deceive me like the king Bali

You see sants with 108 and 111 what does this mean and what is the difference?

Also daas has heard that there are 6 stages (some say 7 stages for e.g. giani thakar singh) of or to brahmgian. What are the stages?

when the dasam duar opens does one become pooran (last stage 6 or 7) brahmgiani?

Also is there any difference in avasta of a jeevan mukht when compared to a pooran brahmgiani?

(DEPENDING ON THE RESPONSE TO THE ABOVE QUESTION, IF THERE IS A DIFFERENCE for e.g say jeevan muktht avasta is lower PLEASE ask:) Then if jeevan mukht avasta is lower how can that gursikh come back to human life to do more abyias until he/she becomes pooran if they are jeevan mukht?

Also you see some sadhus, mahapursh when doing bhagti touching their first finger with their thumb, what is the purpose of this?

Also other people not mahapurakh touch their thumb with other fingers, what is the purpose of the other fingers as well?

Do we have a "free will" or is everything already prordained. For e.g. when we make a choice or perform an action was that already preordained or do we make it by our own will?

As it says in gurbani says:

ਹੁਕਮੈ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਹੁਕਮ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥

Everyone is subject to His Command; no one is beyond His Command.

Some people say that when 1 gets married to their husband/wife their jot becomes 1. They say they become eternal soul mates and some even say that when 1 does paap the other suffers as well because of being 1 soul?

Can sant jee do veechar on this tuk below?

ਏਕ ਜੋਤਿ ਦੁਇ ਮੂਰਤੀ ਧਨ ਪਿਰੁ ਕਹੀਐ ਸੋਇ ||

They alone are called husband and wife, who have one light in two bodies

Can an amritdari marry a non amridari? If an amridari does marry a non amritdari is it paap?

Daas,

MansWisdom

I know but that was what I was told lol. But maybe satjug won't come maybe a different or a new era of the current jug? Maybe khalsa raj?

MAYBE PARLOH!!!! THEN MAYBE AGE WILL START AGAIN

What I was told was brief but I should of asked more on this..

There is no doubt that the gurus were the sargun saroop of waheguru as well. Guru gobind singh says this in dasam bani

"Hemkund Parvat Hai Jahan Sapat Shring sobhit Hai Tahan. Sapat Shring Tahan Nam Kahava. Pandu Raj Jahan Yog Kamaya. Tahan Hum Adhik Tapasya Sadhi. Mahan Kal Kalika Aradhi. Ehi Bidhi Karat Tapaya Bhaya. Dwai Te Ek Rup Hwai Gayo"

They became 1 there was no difference between guru and and akal purakh.

Paji is not that I don't have faith on gurbani is just that I don't have faith on the english translations too much. As in the past they have been proven wrong by brahmgianis before when I asked them specific tuks. Bani is very hard to understand.

But I was also told by mahapuraks that some avatars were infected by maya as well but waheguru came in another sargun saroop to help them. Gurbani is deep and beyond my understanding but daas with maharaj's kirpa will hopefully get veechar on these issues.

Hence another meaning of what I wrote above when avtars face problems akal purakh always intervenes and helps them

santan dukh pai te dukhi

sukh pai sadhan ke sukhi

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Yes paji I get what your saying, currently I am writing some questions reagarding these tuks that can be asked to sant jagjeet singh ji. I can't wait to see what the meanings are as I can't believe that gurbani can call the avtars worms? There is so much respect in gurbani for sants like be the dust of the feet of saints. The avatars were already pooran brahmgianis in their last life.. But how can guru ji call them worms if they were sachkandis, I think veechar is needed by a brahmgiani on this.. Hopefully with kirpa sant jagjeet singh will enlighten us on this...

Also with maharaj's kirpa I have been given a lot of bachans and sakhis on gurus and other avatars and the jeevans of mahapurakhs. That daas will share eventually, recently I was given hukum to share this, which I posted before but here it is:

Guru nanak dev ji in his past incarnation did bahgti in mani karan in india (I'm not sure if I spelt it write but in that place there are a lot of hot springs there. Also there is a gurdwara there but it is not known for guru nanak's past tap) for 36 Jugs. This has not been discovered yet but will one day....

Guru gobind singh ji did bhagti for 4 jugs at hemkunt sahib and past incarnation was dust daman. Dust daman's satguru was a rishi. Dust Daman ate ice and snow as food. While guru nanak dev ji in his past incarnation ate rehta (stones) as food.

Guru nanak dev ji japped ram ram in samadhi for 36 yugs, in this current jug he combined all the mantars together to get waheguru.

ALSO I HAVE BEEN GIVEN HUKUM TO REVEAL ANOTHER FACT, WHICH IS THIS AGE IS THE LAST. SATJUG WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN..... SO GET OUT OF THE GAME OTHERWISE GOD KNOWS WHEN YOU WILL GET A CHANCE TO GET MANUKA JANAM AGIAN. THERE MAY BE A NEW ERA BUT NO AGE AFTER THIS...

Also there are so many sakhi's and facts that are so AMAZING that have been forgotten over time... But hukum nahi he

Also daas has bachans of of sant thakur singh ji which das will reveal over time, they are amazing which I have wrote in a book. But I'm not allowed to tell as they can cause naksaan at this time.

I thought you said you wasn't going to answer

Bhaji, I am fool......... Who am I to compare mahaan pursh with mahaan pursh, I don't even know myself !

I got a little excited had to say something lol. I think sant gurbachan singh ji does arth on some of the tuks and you can compare the difference. But sant isher singh and sant dalel singh maharaj and more brahmgiani say that they were all sachkandis. It is hard for a papi like me to understand gurbani but we need their guidence.

I think n30 is going to ask sant jagjeet questions when they are in toronto. I will ask n30 if they can ask sant jagjeet what the meaning of the tuks of gurbani are. As last time sant jagjeet said that krishan bhagwan, ram etc were sachkandi and were pooran. If they were sachkandis how can you call them a worm. That has to be wrong, lets wait and see what sant jagjeet singh says about this....