Hammertime007

Wheguru je ka Khalsa Wheguru je Fateh. Best wishes to all for 2018 and to the  panth. 

Diversity is just code word for 3rd world dumping grounds in the UK and islamification of the UK. Multiculturalism doesn't work especially when its shoved down people's throats. Only works in small doses. 

57 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

If that's the case, there's no need to fear a terrorist attack at such a high profile public event. Not crapping on your own doorstep and all that. Silver linings. ?

I didn't even think about the potential terrorist attacks.  Plenty of Sikhs with property round Perry barr great Barr, value will rise so will the council tax. 

What do you think of Birmingham hosting the games. As a brummie I don't think it's a good choice. Birmingham has an image of crime, failed multiculturalism and is a semi islamified city. Also its a waste of money,  pakistanis will take all the jobs.

Saw it not what I expected. Sikhi only mentioned once and that was positive, when he said to his English girl friend that Sikhs beilive all men are equal. Main topic of this programme wasn't even race or mixed marriage, it was mental health. Sikhi not misrepresented. 

2 hours ago, kcmidlands said:

I take it you've read the book then.

The guy from what I have seen is a middle class liberal communist similar to sunny hundal. 

24 minutes ago, GuestSingh said:

We should also learn to distinguish between a Sikh and Panjabi because both are conflated due to laziness. This only leads to ignorance and confusion between the two.

Wearing a kara, tying a pagh or calling yourself Mr Singh or Ms Kaur while fooling around with goreh/kaleh , drinking alcohol etc. gives the good Sikhs a bad name and negative image. These idiots should either practice Sikhi properly or stop abusing/misusing these identities so they do not identify anymore as Sikh.

Being a Sikh in name-only means nothing to the Guru.

His book life and probably this programme has nothing to do with this. He associated and blamed his life problems with Sikhi when it was backward Indian punjabi culture. This programme will misrepresent Sikhi. 

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Address the roots of they started.  you will find they are founded by con men Radhawami definitely are. 

What's this got to do with us? 

23 minutes ago, SikhInTheMaking said:

Not sure if this is true but is he Jagrag Singhs (Basics of sikhi) brother? 

Clearly there 2 different people. Just a general question

Im actually looking forward to watching this programme, not really sure what its about. We dont often see programmes about Sikhs on tv so it would be good watch hopefully. Although I can already see them offending or misrepresenting sikhs in some way or another

Sunny Hunndal is Jagraj Singhs' brother,  however Sunny Hunndal didn't write this. 

Wheguru je ka Khalsa Wheguru je Fateh. The Boy with a Top knot which was originally a book, now being shown a drama next week. Don't expect anything positive and we won't be made to look good I feel . I saw him interviewed on brit asia once, he came across as a jumped up middle class liberal snotty nose div,  like sunny hundal. 

Rana is a con man, stirs up trouble for government funding. Turban campaign have nothing to say on turban issues, such as airport issues. 

On 27/09/2017 at 9:56 AM, Prokharkoo84 said:

1} Were Kharku Jathebandis regionalised ? Was one  Jathebandie more prominent than others  in areas. For example did KLF have more members in one area and KCF in an other. - BTFK Manochahal was active in Majha, Sangha group was more towards Malwa. KLF under Budhsinghwala was around Malwa, KCF were big in Majha.

2} Were some Jathebandies more religious than others ? Babbar Khalsa comes to mind as look like nearly all Gur- Sikhs others have non Gur-Sikhs - there were non Amritdharis associated with the Babbars, e.g Manpreet or Harpreet Singh who was a mona, while I beleive Pinky Cat was linked to Sukhdev Singh Babbar and inevitably used this to have him killed.

3} Crossing the borders of India. Its common knowledge there was training and weapons supplied by a neighbouring Country. I would Imagine the punjab (ind) Punjab (pak) would have been red hot in these times and very difficult to cross. I have read  areas that the Rajistan border was used to enter Pakistan. But how did they do it with no maps. no GPS, no mobiles. I doubt there were road signs like there are now. - Smuggler routes were used, Gurnam Singh Bandala was a master of making these trips.

4} Monar in the Movement. Bhai Harjinder Singh Para , Harjinder Singh Jinda , deepa heran wala come to mind were there any more ? - Tony Jalandhar, Rajwinder Singh Raja, Dilvar Singh, Balwant Singh Rajoana, Lakhwinder Singh Lakha, Gurdev Singh BTFK, Jarnail Singh Halwara, there would have been more bearing in mind a lot of college dhe mundeh became associated with the Sangarsh. I was also told a story whilst in Punjab from an ex AISSF member about some of their lads had their haircut especially for certain missions etc. Whilst I dont promote cutting of Kesh, we need to remeber these guys gave everything, while a lot of touts were keshdhari.

5}How did they get around Punajb , ?there were easy to spot  did they have vehicles, Toofan Singh movie shows them travailing on foot and stopping at the first shelter place they could find . I do know they would go to houses in pinds to eat - I would assume by normal forms of transport, e.g. cars, bus (a lot of encounters happened on buses), motorcycles and walking from pind to pind?

6} Communication ? How did they get messages to each other as no mobiles then . - a lot of messages were sent via people linked to the Singhs, or letters and messages/weapons/ money etc were left with certain individuals.

7} What does the word Kharku actually  mean? I always believed this meant somewhere along the lines of strict, brave, militant and someone who stood up for a cause.

Thanks for your input veer ji. I didn't know about Gurnam Singh bandala but I looked him up and there's a very interesting article on him. The border we see today is like 15 foot high and can shock you. I guess it wasn't like this 80s and 90s. 

On 17/09/2017 at 0:35 PM, Balkaar said:

 

On 18/09/2017 at 1:18 PM, GuestSingh said:

Kharku adj. courageous, bold, brave; dreaded, feared, domineering, dominating, assertive; n.m. such person, terrorist, militant. (Panjabi university, Patiala)

Just to add to previous posts and for anyone interested.

The term was never used till after 87/88 from what I know. I don't think the Singhs who fought in blue star were either. 

I'm pro British but not pro royal. The royals should take a look out their window and see what the city of London has become a 3rd world dumping ground and semi islamified city. 

Our cities have turned into slums. The political elite are number one to blame. 

55 minutes ago, S1ngh said:

Most of the police informers belonged were part of jathabandi. Either they were planted or they got changed. One example is "Sukhi the cat". http://www.panthic.org/articles/2327

I think they mentioned in Hans raj Hans's Patta Patta Singhar the Vari song he refers to them as "touts"

Muslim bloke far let , who were Singhs training who  with LET ,Inter Service Intelligence or Mugherdeen ? This cant be later than 1988.

Extremely rare footage/photo of Kahrkus training in Pakistan. Lying on is front is Shaeed  Harjinder Singh Para  (yellow top) from Canada, who I mentioned as one the monar guys who went over fought and became shaeed. He was very close with Saheed Bhai Avtar Singh Brahma, which showed Singhs like Brahma and Jathebandies accepted everyone.  Dont know the others maybe someone else will.

31 minutes ago, S1ngh said:

Every region had their own jatha and sometime they did hold grudges and petty fights against each other - hence the fall of our movement.

I don't think a few petty fights was the fall of the movement. Blacks Cat activity caused the pind folk to stop their support for Kharkus. The other being Kharkus were Shaeed or moved to Europe, Usa or Canda.

When's toofan Singh movie out on dvd?