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To defend against weapons, weapons would prob be your best bet, with His grace of course.

for street fighting without weapions boxing muay thai

for street fihgting withing weapions then krav mega

training for war then join the military

best thing to do is train in the best

It is all propaganda. I can't type in depth because I'm on an itouch right now but listen to this. a hindu caller called in and said Hindus were terrorized and listen to the jawab. I'd type it out but don't have fast enough Internet to skim to the part

listen from 14 min 30 second mark to 15 mini 30 second mark this is why i say sikhs need to train and join armys

people need to learn to defend themselves and learn the best

learn the system that is most effective

every girl out their wants a true singh cause a true singh has what women want,

confidence

health which means take care of yourself take care of gut

ambition be driven with goals

excitment try new things live outside the confort zone

smarts

loving and caring which sikhi preach's

Translate gurbani into english for the youth

Have punjabi classes and make them fun

team up with mma schools boxing schools to get more youth into sports and self defence

Have groups that help people deal with community issues, a group for people who have substance addiction and groups for people who suffer or suffered from domestic physical sexual assult \ also different groups people can join to learn about leadership buisness goal setting health

program to help youth with low self esteem

and courses to empower

Have open debate so people can debate and talk about exchange idea's on how they view the teachings in sikhi and how we can apply them in life when it comes to family work community

If you want to learn how to fight then you want to learn the best systems out their

in the 90's in no rules tournments we saw boxers muay thai fighters ji jitsu artist wrestlers defeat the top traditional martial artists

So for stand up boxing and muay thai for ground ji jitsu and wrestling

shastar vidya unless they compete or spare then i see it as a waste of time

what would you do

and then they cry girls only want to date mona

singh's are spose to be strong but its hard to find singh's that are in shape

Alot of threads by people talking about martial arts who clearly know nothing about combat

Watched the video's of shastar vidya on youtube even new once its a waste of time. If you are to scared to train in real combat then yea go to niddar singh

traditional martial arts are better then learning nothing and if you have the right trainer they can be effective in a street fight but remember that the top kung fu fighters and ninjitsu fighters from asia and all these other traditional martial arts got their butts kicked by boxers muay thai fighters wrestlers ji jitsu artists in the first ufc's pride and vale tudo tournments

PS when ufc and pride started they had vale tudo rules which is no rules fighting anything goes

cause boxers muay thai fighters destroyed all the other traditional martial artists in standup and wrestlers and ji jitsu artists destroyed all the traditional martial artists in ground fighting is how mma came to be. So fighters competing started to forget traditional martial arts and moved to boxing muay thai wrestling ji jitsu hence what is considered mma today

As well dan hardy ufc fighter from the uk trained in the most famous ancient kung fu temples in china and has said that he gained alot of mental strength but you can't use most that stuff against muay thai fighters and boxers and ji jitsu artists and wrestlers unless you want to get your behind handed to you

Many ufc fighters started off in traditional martial arts like george st pierre but now train in muay thai boxiing wrestling ji jitsu cause thanks to ufc and pride and vale tudo tournments we got to see what works

so if mma fighters have kicked the day lights out of traditional martial artists then its your best bet to train in mma

Just to add don't know how it works in uk but in the states after 3 to 5 years of hard training in boxing and mma the police register your hands if your a boxer and your body if your a mma fighter as weapons so if they choose to fight they will be charged with assult with weapon

Now this doesn't happen with traditional martial artists unless they bin training for decades but any traditional martial arts school you go to you'll find a fat a** with a black belt. You don't see fat a** at a muay thai gym or boxing gym or mma gym who has bin training for more then a year instead your going to find guys shreded

For the singh's who cry girls only want mona, if you join a good boxing gym or mma gym and you train hard for 6 month you'll notice your fat belly disapear and your body get ripped, ps girls love guys that are ripped

most people 90% of people dont' have the mental toughness to hit up a muay thai gym or boxing gym or mma gym 3 to 5 times a week for a year straight so its better for thsoe 90% to train in something easier like traditional martial arts

when it comes to street fighting with weapions nothing beats krav mega for weapions cause the israeli commandos use it every day

Well its difficult to explain someone whos got their mind made up .. ie try explaining to me islam is the true religion good luck btw...

I know you dont want to show the pain and suffering but try explaing the injustice within punishments handed out to sikhs .. how can they justify Tytler and kumar with Politcal power when they have so many cases registered against them?

How can they give Sach suda babeh the zsecurity level when they have been implicated with crimes such as murder and rape.... sikhs are arrested and tortured for no reason without evidence but these people who we have people willing to testify against get politcal protection why ...

see its hard because of the way things are done everything can be brought down to being corrupt and not political... stil think the biggest point is the indian consitution (article 25) ... this is the biggest discrimination full stop... the rest of the world sees us as a different religion but the self called largest democracy cannot?

Look through the anandpur resolution (starting point) .. dont telll them this is what it is just print it out and say do these seem like unresonble demands... they will go through and question why but just ask them to answer before you sya why ... if they are like the many many Gurati's they will say there is no reason for these points because we can live in harmony... this should give you a benchmark for their views... from here you can justify each point in the anadpur sahib resolution... you need to question them .... could they live how we have lived?

another question...why do they not left human righs organisations free run of punjab? are they scared they might find something?

see you need to turn the tables a bit in my opinion ask them straight up do you see sikhs as a seperate religion ... do you agree with the consitution do you think we have freedom ... all the things ive posted before are backable by reliable sources .... the question is is what i call reliable the smae to them no as they have a different agenda. Unless its written in the finacial times etc these people will deny everything with the word properganda ...

where you from bhaji we could always link up if the persist on saying india is the democracy it says it is .. discrimination is ripe in india .. leave the sikhs for a while look into th unjust caste system in which word today does one man have the right to tell another an he is lower than him and cannot pray and take the name of god? I had a convo with some gujis a yr o soback i just went on this point they were brhamin but could answer the simple question of in this world how did the caste system fit?

it destroys the ground they have buillt their nation...

bhul chuk maf

the constitution is good point and they do agree the criminals behind anti sikh riots need to be punished

what they believe sikhs are victims of the criminals in power but so are majority of hindus and the minority's in india

What i try showing is that sikhs are used for political leverage hence they have more crimes commited to them then most the hindus and minority's in india do

plus with caste alot of hindus don't believe in caste its only the high caste hindus who try following this

same way jatts rajputs tarkhans consider themselves high caste sikhs

its true you have to read both sides of the coin. very credibile historians will provide evidence which contridict the evidence of another historian

1) In constitution, Sikhs are not realized as separate religion. they are keshdari hindus.

2) No sikh marriage act, still has to go through hindu marriage act.

3) Amritsar sahib is still not registered in writing as holy city.

only this has come to my mind for now.

also you can see some more stuff here

http://www.sikhfreed...m/economic.html

Ive used how sikhs get raped by the constitution and how they are spit on cause of the wording in the constitution and the marriage act and they usually have no reply to that

When explaining why sikhs need their own country i usually cant get my point through and reason being is i need neutral sources well researched and referenced points of view cause websites so people can't call them one sided propaganda

Ok ... sorry about the rambale a great article i found btw is http://www.neverforg...-discrimination

So how about the treatment of our sikhs who fight for the causes/ justice ...

the question you should ask them is how are we NOT discriminated ...

are we given the freedom to rule without interference from centre gov

are we given the justice we deserve .. How have they treated us since 1947 .. Gandhi said No Constitution would be acceptable to the Congress which did not satisfy the sikhs." (Collected works of M K Gandhi Vol.58. p. 192)... we have never signed the consititution ... it dosnt even recognise us as sikhs ...is this freedom are you satisfied ... is this not discrimination

Neru said ..."The brave Sikhs of Panjab are entitled to special consideration. I see nothing wrong in an area and a set up in the North wherein the Sikhs can also experience the glow of freedom. (Jawaharlal Nehru, Congress meeting: Calcutta - July,1944)... are we free in the 1980's how many hindus were lifted and put in prision how many girls were raped in front of their fatehrs how many hindus have been mass murdered how many hinduparents crry at niht not knowing the wereabout of their child...

punjab's bhakra dam produces enough electricity to power punjab 3 times over and if it broke punjab would be under 3 foot of water ... however this electric iis first sent to delhi and the we get the remains ... we recieve no benifits for this other states that do the same are compensated why not punjab?

Punjab - meaning the land of the rivers .. i ask you how many rivers does punjab hold now .. 2 which are nearly dry ... our water is being diverted we have lost the purity and fertileness of the land due to the politic imposed on the state..

Farming the centre still controls the costs and value of crops why we produce more crop than any other state but some of our farmers just break even ... we could sell crops across the border where the purchase price is much higher .. this is so our state dosnt grow too fast .. keep the money out ... yes we are rich but that is the build up of third/ 2nd generation hard work the 4th generation (youth never had to work)... bringing me on to education

education .. what lessons are taught in schools read them next time your there depending on district you get distortions in our history .. banda singh bahadur was hindu for example.... little kids are told to chant waheguru waheguru then ram ram then allah akbur .. they get nothing but when the chant the name of jesus they get sweets which are proped up in a net... (same tactics are used by hindu shev shena groups).

religion ... do we have the freedom to preach? we are apposed and centre funded organisations such the sucha suda and nirnkari, rss and shiv sena groups pop day by day .. why do we not recieve the same funding .. why do those who hhave claims of rape and murder get z security where as sikhs that have done nothing like Bhai Pal singh (france) be arrested and be stripped of all identity ?.. we are sikhs and when the british ruled they introduced the sikh marraige act but as soon as they leave it is demolished and we are only married n the eyes of the court if married under the hindu marraige act we are SIKHS

we ask for answers for those who have been mistreated and we get locked up ... we do a peacefull rally and our turban is knocked off .. dicrimination i ask you or basic human rights ...

If politians really cared would they not bring up the issue of the sikh turban with governments such as france? Kirpan issue with France/Italy etc they dont care they wish to oppress

Our Artifacts .. gurbani/history which were taken in Operation Blue star we would like it back ... gov policy distort history ... who controls punjab ... badal ? no who is his puppet master ? Advani goes to the same temple which he says was good to attack and this is seen asgood free undiscrimnative politcs? where is all the gold money and maya that was left a guru ram das ji charn why was it looted in by the gov ... which other religion have you seen the world we live in today that has attacked its own people whould the Conservative gov ever ever dare to go into Havlock road gurdwara with automatic wepons shoes on tie up sikhs shoot them with their own hands tied behind their backs with their own turbans? no then how can the 'largest democracy' which india calls justify its operations ?

If the politians such as sajan kumar jagdsh tytler amietha bachan are innocent and the cases filed aagianst them are false and im lying then go look at the faces of those women who are sitting in hostels those women who wer raped and those who lost their husbands/ sons fathers and look into their eyes and if you dont see what im saying then ill admit i lie... as sant ji says if a sikh hijacks a plane to highlight the discrimnation of sikhs he is a terriost but if you hiijack a plane for indria ghandi then you get political seats... is this not discrimination is this fair why the double standards

look into how many people are on death row .. majoity are sikhs? do we honestly commit the most serious crimes.... we Out of 2125 Indians killed in the atrocities by the British, 1550 (73%) were Sikhs. Out of 2646 Indians deported for life to the Andaman Islands (where the British exiled political and hardened criminals) 2147 (80%) were Sikhs. Out of 127 Indians sent to the gallows, 92 (80%) were Sikhs. At Jalliawalla Bagh out of the 1302 men, women and children slaughtered, 799 (61%) were Sikhs. In the Indian Liberation Army, out of the 20,000 ranks and officers, 12,000 (60%) were Sikhs. Out of 121 persons executed during the freedom struggle, 73 (60%) were Sikhs. but still we dont have freedom we are treated as 2nd class citizens.

Look into the discrimnation of Shaheed Subegh Singh Ji .. here is a general that saved Punjab from attack of Pakistan .. Organised and won the campaign in Bangladesh and then was passed over for promotion was discriinated and targeted for not following top politians curropt orders and then put on trumped up charges which are still the norm for simlar people who hold high positions today

Crime.. one rule for them one for us seems like we need to have a mass witness before a hindu is convicted where as hindus just needto point

Media.. portrail in the media? well you know as well what stories do you read? Punjab must be holding the reserve for IDX as every other story is the Largest hord of rdsx found .. bloody hell get a new title.. you ca print diffrent lettering it dont cost any different tight asses ... Media is heavily sensored you try and put something thats against the politians .. how far could you get .. (Khalra comes to mind)

Wow after how many years did we get Punjabi to become the mother tounge in Punjab? Still today whenpeople are asked they are pressured into saying Hindi .. they still want to change it back

Policie s such as the amount of land a sikh can own are still about in india? why are we not free. Punjbs higways how can a state which has so much be in some much debt creative accounting by any chance?

we are over 4 % of the worlds population we have schools and universities across the world but the land in which our fore fathers called home has been split and partitioned our rivers have been divided and our language is opprosed or religious teachings are squashed and changed. in 1947 Panjab was divided and the Sikhs suffered great loss. Sikh shrines such as Nankana Sahib, Panja Sahib and many more along with the capital city of Lahore was given to Pakistan, over 70% of the most fertile land owned by sikhs was taken by Pakistan since we have lost more we have been divided in Upper pardesh haryana

Summary

Farmers in Panjab paid higher prices for their agriculture inputs, but were offered lower prices for their produce in comparison with neighbouring states. The Central Government assumed sole control over prices and farmers were not allowed to cross state boundaries to get higher prices for their labours in the next state.

Electricity generated by the Hydroelectric Dam Bhakra on the Panjab borders was more costly and provided in smaller amounts in Panjab than in it’s neighbouring states.

75% of the water available to Panjab was being diverted to other states.

70% of the revenue raised by Panjabis, for development of Panjab was sent to other states.

The Central Government investment in Panjab was less than 1%, the lowest amongst all the states, however Panjab was the most highly taxed.

Restrictions on the recruitment and promotion of Sikhs in the armed forces were applied. This was a grave insult as Sikhs being 2% of India’s population counted for the majority of sacrifices in the freedom struggle against the British.

For a great artical go to http://www.neverforg...-discrimination

Finally Immortal words

In Germany they first came for the Communists; I did not speak because I was not a Communist. Then they came for the Jews; I did not speak because I was not a Jew. Then they came to fetch the workers, members of trade unions; I was not a trade unionist. Afterward, they came for the Catholics; I did not say anything because I was a Protestant. Eventually they came for me, and there was no one left to speak."

By Pastor Martin Niemoller

A Protestant Minister Imprisoned during Germany's Third Reich

bhul chuk maf

Ive actually used neverforget84 as a reference with some friends when talking about indian politics but the thing is i need references cause when i present websites like these they start questioning it as propaganda. I need references from neutral sources cause websites like neverforget don't reference their sources so can't tell if its true or propaganda. Like from your reply one thing that would get pointed out easily is sikhs contribution to india's freedom movement cause ive seen those numbers a thousand times but the source to those numbers never can be found.

What I need is references and what im trying to show these guys how sikhs are different from rest of india when it comes to corrupt policies cause what i get thrown back at me is how majority of farmers in india outside of punjab have huge debts and suffer from corruption

What i need help with is showing how sikhs get singled out and used iin divide and rule type politics

Water issue is a hard one to win a debate on considering the akalis wanted punjab to break up into haryana and punjab cause at the time punjab was a hindu majority who voted in congress and akalis wanted to break up the punjab so sikhs could have majority in punjab and akalis could get voted into power, and one of the things akalis agreed to was sharing their water with haryana otherwise haryana couldn't of bin created cause people from haryana would of refused punjab being split so they can have water

1) In constitution, Sikhs are not realized as separate religion. they are keshdari hindus.

2) No sikh marriage act, still has to go through hindu marriage act.

3) Amritsar sahib is still not registered in writing as holy city.

only this has come to my mind for now.

also you can see some more stuff here

http://www.sikhfreed...m/economic.html

that website given is way off not really credibile especially its numbers going from 40% to 2% in the military and then war time 98%. Those numbers are to off but during war time its around 30% I can't use that

green revolution brought wealth but most that wealth wasn't invested rather used to leave india or hire workers and get drunk

You should answer this question by shooting from the hip! No lies! No holding back on the truth! Examine the roots of Hinduism and all is revealed.

The Brahmins have been operating at the highest posts in India for centuries. Their Religion is more a political tool to control the people of India rather than a credible religion that brings one closer to God.

This system is which the Brahmin call 'Hinduism'. This is made up of four casts which the everyday people fall into with the 2% of Brahmin elite at the top. The Brahmin remains at the top regardless of political or economical change. The rest remain to serve this Elite of 2%. Nobody can switch or move up in the Cast system ladder within the Hindu Religion. The only way to achieve this is told by the Brahmins ''do good deeds and then maybe you will be lucky enough to reincarnate into a higher form in your next life''.

When we say caste system we remove reality from this word. It is in actual fact four different species of humans selected to do certain jobs decided by the Brahmins.

The remaining 3 castes of Hinduism have accepted this system which has been explained and brainwashed to them through centuries.

So this leaves the Sikhs in this odd dilemma. Sikhism goes against this unfair system/religion or whatever you want to call it. Sikhs do not belong to this system so have no reason to accept the Brahmin as a superior species.

This is where the discrimination stems from because Sikhs are the single most dangerous community in the eyes of the Brahmins. Sikhism challenges the ideology which keeps the Brahmins in power and threatens the lie which India's 3 inferior casts to the Brahmins have accepted.

So public enemy number one in post 1947 India are Sikhs, as we remain as the only group that refuses to be absorbed into Hinduism and regard ourselves as equals.

Now the discrimination and attacks range from Genocide, Ethnic cleansing, Forced acceptance of the Hindu Marriage Act, Promotion of Drugs and Alcohol, Intense Farming which disrupts the water table and Rivers which are diverted to neighbouring states.

The list goes on but the truth is that the non Brahminical Hindus unaware of these policies which are designed to make the Sikhs vanish from this earth. The Hindu's of India have been forced fed this oppressive system for so long and are now in such a deep sleep that they are refusing to question the Brahmins on this religion/system, which is clearly designed by the Brahmins and favours only this so called 'Elite' class of 2% of India.

The Sikhs in the mean time will be attacked and discriminated by the Brahmins for refusing to bow down and accept Hinduism.

The best way to deal with this monster in my opinion is to tell your fellow Hindus that they too are victims of the Brahmins. They are also exploited and held back from success and the right to be equal. The minute that the non Brahminical Hindus start to do this, they too will feel the discrimination that a Sikh faces in India!

lol not looking for conspiracy thearies and many hindus don't follow caste and sonia gandhi cathlic is the leader of the congress party with india having muslim president with bollywood being dominated by muslim. Many sikhs also follow caste cause of their ego's and discriminate

Im looking for answers that are researched and not isi propaganda fed to sikhs in 80's

LIke how india's corrupt politicans use divide and rule policies that they learned from the british to exploit india and how sikhs get hit hard and hurt by these divide and rule policies

Don't like the part of the reply that makes sikhs look like victims with the drugs and water issues alot of the issues sikhs face has nothing to do with politics but with sikhs, after the holocust jews didn't do drugs or cry they rebuilt everything and after the green revolution brought wealth to punjab but alot of the sikh families weren't ready for that wealth as that wealth led to drugs and alchole abuse.happends ppl get money and party rather then invest

no problem attacking defencless people with weapons over gurdwara issues yet i never saw any of these cowards in newyork stand up to anyone after 9/11 when sikhs were being attacked instead they were hidiing. Sad what happends in sikh community

jassinghkhalsa we didn't get much strength after 84 instead small handfull of sikhs got stronger but 90% of sikhs took the easier root, the sikhs in the west screamed for khalistan but I can only find names of 14 sikhs who went from the west to india to fight for justice while thousands just screamed khalistan

sikhs in punjab vote in corrupt politicans who protect the corrupt cops who slaughtered 200 000 sikhs

after 84 majority of sikhs didn't show courage and do what was right they just did easy stuff, like get a mob of sikhs together to scream khalistan, or vote for corrupt politicans

what are some changes you would like to see

I want everyone to share ideas as to changes needed

I believe get good teachers into the gurdwara teaching sikhism and the history of sikhism who can simplify it and make it exciting, in certain schools you have teachers who can take kids who are behind who struggle learning the subject so in turn hate learning hate going to school and their failing all their subjects and when they have a good teacher all of a sudden they catch up and start scoring at top of their state when it comes to government exams and these kids fall in love with school

I believe people born in the uk america and canada need to start teaching children and the teachers have to be exciting teachers. Theirs great tools in sikhism people can use but they havn't learned

This use to be the case but most sikhs forget and take the easy root

to get stronger when attacked you have to get mentally stronger. When attacked you could have the courage to do what is right or coward out

east time we face a challenge we can either make ourselves mentally stronger by conquering the challenge which makes sikhs stronger or coward away. Look at punjab sikhs get humilated and vote in the people who hurt them cause rather then having courage and taking the time getting unconfortable and doing the right thing they take the safe pick and vote in the corrupt politicans cause their scared to stand up and bring change. Duty of a sikh is to get confortable being unconfortable thats how we learn to control ourselves and gain the strength to control mind and body

what are some ways people in the west who see whats going on can help sikhs do the right thing

I have friends that are gujarati and when talking to them i don't think they see how sikhs are discriminated against, when i try explaining to them i don't think they get it. When i try explaining to them I bring up how sikhs are used as political scapegoats like when the media in india pumps up sikh terrorism when nothing really is going on to get people's minds off the real issues

Or how sikhs were used for politics in 84

sikhism requires the students of sikhism to be mentally strong and work on getting mentally stronger every day, sadly this is also lacking from alot of sikhs

At young age the gurdwara need to inspire youth to come to the gurdwara and start teaching principles of sikhism

You need one. But it would have to be someone remarkable. An army can be seen from miles away. One man won't be seen until the very last moment.

He would need a support network though.

no you need thousands of trained sikhs in special tactics

I didn't say we need an army like your conventional army i said train in special tactics we need itleast 2000 sikhs trained in special tactics warfare, you learn special tactic warfare in the special forces like green beret, soldiers inn special forces are elite soldiers who perform tasks that the average soldier cannot and are the army the enemy can't see

2 000 young sikhs trained in special tactic warfare how easy sikhs would be able to bring the criminals to justice