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go to your setting which is one of the buttons on the top of the program and it lets you select what files you want to share.

right how much stuff are you sharing and are you putting the manual address of gursevahub.com in the address. that could be the problem as you have to share at least 20mb. i have just tried to get in and have had no problems.

i am not insulting him i respect him as much as any other Sant or Sadhu. According to Baba Amar Singh Ji they state that Sant Singh Maskin is one with God and a pooran sant.

I was one of those who touched their blessed ffet but many of you complain about people who use the term sant or baba gettting people to pay obesience to their feet however i was just stating that this also happens with all great vidiarthees.

ok forget about bowing to sants.

i went to the program in memory for the chotay sahibjahaday at Guru Nanak Sikh college in Hayes. There was Sant Singh Maskin doing fantastic katha. After he had finished however loads of people were bowing to him and touching his feet. He never said anything to them.

Now what do people think about that?

to get to the files you should see a list of people in th ehub on the right. Double click on the main server and it should load up a list of items under the server to down load. Then you can go the the items you want, click on your right mouse button and download them.

09/07/2004

Added new VCD of Baba Ranjit Singh Ji Dhaddrian Walae

"Sarbans Dani Part 1"

More to come soon.

08/07/2004

Added today the following audio divans to the main server.

All three Divans are by Sant Baba Jagjeet Singh Ji Harkhowalae

-11-7-90 divan harkhowalae

-12-7-90 divan harkhowalae

-Abinasee Jeea Ko Data

more to come soon.

7/7/04

Added today the following audio divans.

Hukam Rajayi Chalna by Baba Hardev Singh Ji Lulowalay

and

Baba Sukhchen Singh Ji 9-9-98

more to follow soon

6/7/04

Added to the main server 5 divans by Baba Baljeet singh Ji Dadoo Sahib Walae

Amritbani Divan of Baba Waryam Singh Ji on the 29/02/2004

Numerous Divans by Baba Amar Singh Ji Nanaksar Walae

5 Divans by Baba Maan Singh Ji

-Baba Maan Singh Ji 08-8-98

-Baba Maan Singh Ji 27-8-98

-Ham Aisai Too Aisaa

-Hind Di Chadar

-Jap Waheguru Gurmantar

lots more to come

sorry but i do not have a website or have had anyone come foreward to to ask to put these on their site. if anyone wants to and can i would be happy if they could take anything from the hub and put them on a website but i am sorry i cant help.

29/06/2004

sorry been a long time since i updated this post.

Just to let you know the following are all under the main Gurserver under my folder so they can be downloaded 24/7

Audio Divans by Sants:-

Baba Baljinder Singh Ji Rara Sahib

- Nitnem Sahib

Baba Balvinder Singh Ji Kooralee Walae

- Darshan Harmandar Sahib De Koi

- Eh Ta Panj Ne Piyare Mere

- Manikaran Dae Dhartea

- Sachkhand Jaan Walia

Baba Darshan Singh Ji Dhakki Sahib

- Duplicate Sikh

Baba Ishar Singh Ji Rara Sahib

-Guru Amardas Ji

-Sakhi Bhai Gonda

-Salis Rai Johri

-Seva Karni

Baba Jagjeet Singh Ji Harkhowalae

-Baba Bir Singh Ji Di Barsi

-Divan 1

-Divan 2

-Divan 3

-Divan 4

-Divan 5

-Divan 6

-Divan 7

-Divan 8

Baba Maan Singh Ji Pehova Walae

-Amrit Di Shakti

-Bhagat Dhanna Ji

-Bhagtaan Tay Saisaria

-Jang Chamkaur Sahib

-Man Bachae Satgur Kee Paas

-Manas Dehee Milan Dee Mehta

-Prakash Ustav

-Sikhi Utton Janna Waria 16/02/2001

Baba Ranjit Singh Ji Dhaddrian Walae

-Gunka Papan

Baba Waryam Singh Ji

-Amrit Bani Recording 07-03-04

-Amrit Bani Recording 14-03-04

-Amrit Bani Recording 28-03-04

-Asa Di Vaar

-Guru Amar Das Ji

-Guru Arjan Dev Ji Di Shaheedi

-Also 2 divans of Baba Ishar Singh Ji Rara Sahib in WMV format

Bhagat Bani

-Salok Bhagat Farid Ji

-Salok Bhagat Kabir Ji

Bhai Balbir Singh Ji

-Bir Raas Kirtan

-Japji Sahib & Rehraas

-Vadea Bhag Mere Prabhu Daras Piaray

Chandi Di Vaar Katha - 9 hours long

Dasam Bani

- Akal Ustat

-Chandi Charritar

Sant Singh Maskin

- Khanda Da Veechar - Katha about t

he 5 Khands in Jap Ji Sahib

Photos

Sikh Videos

-A True Nihang Singh

VCDS

Baba Ishar Singh Ji Rara Sahib

-Anga Di Safalta

-Bhai Daya Singh Ji

-Gunka Papan Di CD1

-Gunka Papan Di CD2

-Guru Amardas Ji

-New VCD of Divan

-Raja Ajay Da PArsang

-Thuga Da Udar Karna

-Tinna Mukh Daravna

Kar Seva VCD

Baba Ranjit Singh Ji Dhaddrian Walae

-Bhai Hari Pal Da Parsang Part 1

- Bhai Hari Pal Da Parsang Part 2

-Chotay Sahibjadian Di Shaheedee CD1

-Chotay Sahibjadian Di Shaheedee CD2

-Guru Di Mat Part 1

- Guru Di Mat Part 2

All this so far got loads more to come.

son of Guru Gobind Singh please listen to the katha by Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji on Gurmatveechar.com regarding Bhai Gurdas Di Varan they say the only time you shouldn't bow to sants is in the presence of Guru Sahib. Not at anypoint did they say you cannot touch Sants feet however they stated the one gets pun from doing it.

At old sant samagams they used to touch the feet of Baba Ishar Singh Ji Rara Sahib which i have been told about by Baba Hari Singh Ji showing the respect of Sadhus by Other Sadhus.

Remember The lineage of Taksal and that Baba Thakur Singh Ji learned from Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji. Sadhus are without ego and that is why they say these things.

The only question i will say is if you do bow to Either a Sant or the Satguru Granth Sahib Ji make sure that you have a full 100% in everything stated by them otherwise you yourselves are hypocrites and attain no fruit from your penance.

Please check out Gurmatveechar.com loads of new files have been put on in the last 10 days with Katha by Baba Kartar Singh Ji, Baba Hari Singh Ji, Giani Thakur Singh Ji and Bhai Jungbir Singh Ji

This should keep all busy for some time

More to come on this site i am sure of it.

Regarding the mis use of the word sant and it actually meaning Guru. All i can say is that is a total load of rubbish

Tell me when Bhagat Kabir calls himself a sant is he actually calling himself a Guru. A Bhagat with such nimerta and lack of ego.

That is a load of rubbish made by people who are full of Ego and would rather bow to anything and believe anything but another Human being. The whole point of bowing to someone is to get rid of ego. An animal walks on all 4 legs as it is without ego. one who bends on all fours and bows in respect discards ego and accepts that there are persons of greatness in this and the world after

The AKJ movement i am sorry to say has changed traditional Sikhi where respect was given for people with higer Avasta such as Sants.

It is stated in Bani i will try to find where i have to go through my Katha tapes that in tirath yatra you get Fal of Pun if on this tirath yatra you meet a sant and you bow to them you get 4 jug da fal and if you see guru granth sahib ji and bow to them you get anek jooni da fal.

So there is a difference.

Also those that state that there where no sants during the times of Guru Ji well that is rubbish as well. How about Baba Sri Chand Ji and Guru Nanak Dev Ji's lineage who all the Gurus used to send 500 rupees every year as a mark of respect and when they could go and have darshan of them.

Guru Ram Das Ji swept the dirt off Baba Sri Chands feet with their beard. Nimerta or what.

Guru Arjan Dev Ji got Baba Sri Chand Ji to bless the Sarover at Harmandis Sahib and the great sadhu did so by dipping his charan in the amrit.

Guru Hargobind Ji bowed and paid respects to baba Sri Chan

d Ji and gave them Baba Gurditta Ji as a son. Baba Gurditta Ji then wore the robes of an Udhasi.

Guru Gobind Singh Jo paid respects to Baba Kaladhar Ji who were Guru Nanak Dev Ji's 10th descendants and offered them what ever they pleased. The request was for a Sant to come into the family to bring back Sikhi into the area of Una Sahib. This turned out to be Baba Sahib Singh Ji Bedi. Also many of Guru Jis personal belongings were also handed over.

Don't tell me these things did not happen. Is it that you want to choose which parts of our history you want to accept and what you dont. I do not know the lineage of the AKJ however i am aware That Taksal goes back to Guru Gobind Singh Ji where Guru Sahib taught 52 persons the REAL meanings of Gurbani and they are still being taught to us to this day. They state that the meanings of SANT in Guru sahib is 100% different to GURU.

One thing i have stated in this post is that Guru Sahib bowing to them you will get anek jooni da fal.

I have a different penace for each. With a Sant my forehead will touch their feet. At the gurdwara I bow to Guru Sahib by ways of Dandout where my body is flat on the floor and all limbs on the front of my body are being offered. Why offer your head when you cen give your whole body to the guru.

And who ought me to do that it was the glory of the Sants that have.

On Gurmatveechar.com uploaded today Baba Hari singh Ji's recordings in Leicester in 1998 where they did keertan katha like that done by Baba Ishar Singh Ji of Rara Sahib

Check it out.

with regards to bowing to sants in front of the Guru being a hukamnama. All sikhs should be aware of this as this is disrespect and should not be done this is accepted by all sants.

For further on this please listen to the katha by Sant baba Gurbachan Singh Ji Bhindrawalae on Bhai Gurdas Di Varan Di Katha. It is in the first MP3 of the lot.

Sants make sikhi grow and make manmukhs like me realise things like this.

just look at the world of Sikhi today.

Sants fund schools, publish magazines and papers, do massive sant smagams for parchar, fund gurdwaras. Bring the katha to the public in order to teach us and put us on the path of truth.

Without them where would we be today!

great posts by Khalsa preet and kaur_khalistani_lioness.

i was trying to put a post together like that.

"Har Harijan do ik hai bib bichar kuch nahi"

ok i have heard your reasons for bowing to shasters as stated in bani such as in the shaster naam mala

what about this shabad from Sri guru granth sahib ji

Raag kanra mahala 5

simrat naam maneh sukh paiyai

it is sung beautifully by bhai balbir singh and is on the raag guldasta album which you can download and listen to on the net.

in the shabad come

"Charan santan kay matha mero paar bhram ko simar manah"

please explain what your meaning is of this?

Kandola veer ji on the silver palki are steeks of Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Sri Sooraj Prakash

many people bow to saints and some do not. i want to know your thoughts.

Many people would not bow to saints but are willing to do so when it comes to shasters, places where the gurus have sat, shoes when they are doing seva of cleaning them.

Many are happy to bow at other things as well but when it comes to a sant it becomes a definate no no?

please explain why!

no idea about the US sorry

if you go london i would suggest the sikh missionary centre,

in birmingham DTF,

in Leicester Guru Tegh Bahadur Gurdwara

Derby is pretty good as well at the local gurdwaras

you can get the dasam granth from there also in steek forms or as the actual granth. you can get almost everything from there.

where are you going in the uk i can recommend some places

you can buy it from the sikh missionary centre in southall.

Nothing secret about the text. i have it at home. it was written by Guru Gobind Singh Ji during their time at Hazoor Sahib

i had that problem for ages.

it goes as soon as you go to settings and share at least 20MB of stuff then you will have no problems connecting.

hope that helps