kam1825

I'm not sure to tell you the truth. I know in the uk the sikh secreteriate is working hard ith the british government o sort something out and in america the council of khalistan is working with the government there.

Try to contact the sikh secreteriate they may be able to help you

Sorry i cant help further

The panthic morcha movement and the sant samaj are done to bring awareness regarding the situation in punjab and also to do gurmat veechar.

Baba Sarbjot singh jee does not want any violence in their movement as we dont want the government to say that we are terrorists so they are trying through elections and colleges where students, the voice of tommorrow can bring sikhi back into power.

Your not mad its probably the way i have written it.

Guru Jee wrote alot of bani in the sarbloh and dasam granth which is regarding hindu gods. This was to show that during their lives they did things which were not godly and were shameful. Such as ego in making others pray to them and deluding the world about god.

Id suggest reading the dasam granth and sarbloh granth very knowledgable for history.

However i wont suggest any sites as someone in this forum will find a fault with everyone of them

What does it matter if Vishnu comes back it has no effect on us as We have the embodiment of God in the Satguru.

All knowlege of god is contained in the satguru thats all we need

I can give you many examples.

Baba Darshan singh jee of dhakee sahib have just come out of jail for speaking up for khalistan. They were detained in 1997

Baba Baljeet Singh Jee from Dadoo sahib continually have been in jail for murder or attempted murder charges. They openly stated radhaswamis, nirinkarees, namdharees, pakhandee sadhus, sucha saudaa and other groups are spawned from hell. They said they will do all to get rid of them. Last time i phoned them they said they had surrounded the succha sauda temple and were "doing some good work".

Baba Jagjeet Singh Harkhowalae have been in and out of prison and were in prison with sant baba harnam singh jee and Sant baba jarnail singh jee. They have lost all of the items handed down to them by great saints which were confiscated by the police.

Baba Sabjot singh jee Bedi who are Guru Nanak Dev Jees 17th descendants have started the panthic morcha and sant samaaj to get rid of the corruption in india done by goups like the akali dal, dal khalsa and to get rid of sect who disregard the Satguru. They are trying to compete and get the corrupt akalis out of power in punjab.

There was a massive khalistan conference a couple of years ago in wolverhampton, england where everyone went on and on about how we need it soon which we do. Baba jagjeet singh jee went with us and when they took the stage they said

"You talk of khalistan on a sunday and forget about it for the other six days, when you go to india you do so without telling anyone in order to not get hurt or killed, you collect money for the family of shaheeds but it never seems to get there."

"If you want khalistan come with me to india. I will stand

in front of you all and be happy to lead. Don't be fooled many of us will die but i am ready to accept that. If you have problem with finances i will personally pay for each one of your tickets i am sure i can contact people and help pay for them."

Baba jee said "those who want to come with me tomorrow raise your hands remember you are in front of the guru so remember the consequences of lying"

I was there along with all the other sangat which definatly was in the thousands only about three people put their hands up. One was a 60 year old male in a wheelchair and the others were elderly grandmothers.

I felt so shameful that we can talk the talk but not walk the walk.

Sants do try but we let ourselves down.

Hindus can claim what they like, muslims can claim that Guru jee was a pir of their religion, the bhuddists can clain the Guru was a great lama of theirs but according to any sadhu sants and the satguru granth sahib jee Guru Nanak dev jee became part of god obviously they could not be god as the lord is Ajoonee (when who does not take birth or enter the cycle of life).

The only possibility of a previous birth given for Guru Granth Sahib Jee is Raja Janak who is written about by Bhai Gurdas Jee.

This person was one of the greatest teachers of god ever and a kind soul.

Many old Hindu sadhus learned from him such a ved vyas who wrote 22 saloks about guru nanak dev jee over 2500 years before their birth and even stated their name "bedi bansat Nanak" in the final salok. They stated that they would be the greatest soul to appear in the period of kaljug

However i am not knowledgable to say for sure.

However if Guru Nanak Dev Jee were Vishnu then Guru Gobind Singh Jee would have put them in the 24 incarnations of vishnu. Guru Gobind singh jee had the complete knowlege as all the gurus had. They obviously would not have forgotten such a thing or left it out.

According to the guru the next time vishnu comes to earth he will be in the form of kalkee which is at the end of kaljug, which i think is quite some time away.

unfortunatly udasis like the nirmala are parts of sikhism that are accepted however each add a hindu twist to sikhism as you can see on that opening page where it states that guru nanak dev ji were a form of vishnu while that bhat bikha who was an incarnation of bhrama writes in the satguru granth sahib jee that guru nanak dev jee were no other then god themselves as rain immerses in the ocean so the guru did with god and they can never be seperated.

If guru jee was a form of Vishnu our tenth master would have wrote that in the choubis avtar.

Thanks for finding out that information for me.

just looking through the web when i found the following site

www.udasi.org

Seems to just be the opening page so far and no website created. Does anyone know who is the webmaster. I am intrigued by this site. I would just like to know if anyone has the aarta of guru nanak dev jee written by Udasi Sant Baba Sri Chand Jee on MP3.

Can anyone help

if you want to know who baba balaknath is check out the following site.

http://www.balaknath.com/

he was a follower of shiv jee and unfortunatly when i go to india i see more people visiting these mandirs as well as that of the Devis rather then guru granth sahib jee

Just finished watching a programme on BBC in the UK regarding reaching enlightenment. It was done by Mick Jaggers ex wife (have already forgotten her name). During the show she went to see a sikh convert known as Gurmukh in the US she is aged 60 years and wears a white dastaar. She was teaching kundalini yoga which she has learned from Yogi Harbhajan Singh. She says she teaches madonna, al pachino and cindy crawford.

Although she did not look anything over 40, wore a khanda and dastaar, and said alot of the Sikh mantars she had a picture of baba Balaknath in the room. I know that 3HO is very multi faith but the questions arise;

Who are these people?

Is she really Sikh?

Does Kundalini Yoga work?

What relevance does it have?

Where can we learn this sort of yoga?

How many of you believe in it?

Can anyone out there help.

to download things takes ages, any way of speeding it up

Sadhdangat,

gurmatveechar.com has now uploaded beri band no sakeo and mool mantar nirna by Baba Hari Singh Jee. Please feel free to download it.

Coming soon Chandi Di Vaar Viakhiya by Baba Gurbachan Singh Bhindra walae

its an uncleaned lens before the photo was taken or small fibres. My wife is a photographer and stated those are the only reasons nothing paranormal.

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When i was a kid i started at Hamree karo hath dea racha, then later i found a gutka and changed to Punn rachas ka kata sisa.

I now have a gutka from the nihangs where the choupai starts as such;

Dohraa

Mahaa Kaal Kee Saran Jae Paray su lae bachae.

Uor Na upjae doosar jag pachiyo sabhai banai.366

The choupai sahib starts from pauree 366 of the Charritarpakhyan to pauree 404. Check the last part of the charitropakhyan on dasamgranth.org and you can read the cahupai sahib there. i am not suggesting reading the translations.

I am just wondering why there are so many different variations of this Bani in Rehraas.

Kamalpreet Singh Pardeshi

Waheguru Jee Ka Khalsa Waheguru Jee Kee Fatah

Waheguru Jee Ka Khalsa Waheguru Jee Kee Fatah

Veerjee,

May the Guru always guide you. You have not offended myself personally i can only state what i know of. I am thankful for things that are truthful on here. I don't like people who chat nindya without backing it up. I am thankful for your views on the reply.

I however apologise regarding the gurmantar that your grandfather didnt recieve. I can however say that when i took amrit it was explained. There should be no excuse to why it was never explained or given. This is the most priceless gem and should have been give.

Accept my apologies if i have offended yourself.

Kamalpreet Singh Pardeshi

Waheguru Jee Ka Khalsa Waheguru jee Kee Fatah

Waheguru Jee Ka Khalsa Waheguru Jee Kee Fatah

Sadhsangat,

We all do rehraas sahib daily. After asa mahalla 5 bhai praapat manukh duhereea: where do you start the dasam bani of the rehraas from. What is the first line? Id like to know how many different variations there are of this.

To the moderaters i am not questioning or trying to bring up any controvosy over the legitamacy of the daasam guru darbar so please dont delete this.

Kamalpreet Singh Pardeshi

Waheguru Jee Ka Khalsa Waheguru Jee Kee Fatah

Waheguru Jee Ka Khalsa Waheguru Jee Kee Fatah

Ghulam Singh

Tell me truthfully now which sans have you not heard nindya about. i have heard it about every sant. Some people still claim sant jarnail singh jee was part of congress and he only started trouble to destroy sikhism. how mesed is that. Many people will say things but back things up. All is a load of rubbish that people say why dont they challenge these things. On this furum read what most of the others have said at some point the majority of people have insulted some sant.

Now tell me which sant is not a pakhandee. Go on name one and i'm sure someone else in this forum will disagree with you. You all like looking for faults why dont you all start with yourselves.

Kamalpreet Singh Pardeshi

Waheguru Jee Ka Khalsa Waheguru Jee Kee Fatah

Why are birthdays of Baba Nand Singh ( a most respectable Gursikh) given more prominence than those of any Gurpurb?

Waheguru Jee Ka Khalsa Waheguru Jee Kee Fatah

Sadhsangat,

My family have gone to see Baba Amar Singh Jee way before i was born. He like many other sants, gianis and knowledgeable persons are always being accused of things. Ask Yogi Harbhajan Singh he has been to court over these sorts of incidents more then any other. People like to bring others down. Has any of these court cases worked to their benefit. Not as far as i am aware. God protects those who have done no wrong. Justice does work.

I dont know where you are from bro but Nanaksar That in wolverhampton and letchworth which are run by Baba Amar Singh Jee definately have a nishan sahib flying high for all to see. I remember at Guru Gobind Khalsa college as well as Guru Nanak Sikh college there was also. I am 100% that these are there esp at the khalsa college as i remeber when the national front came down and tore it down. We had a good battle that day.

I went to Guru Nanak Sikh college along with my brother and 22 of my family members. It was fantastic. We learned so much more there in a year then 3 years at a normal secondary school. We could not pay the fees and thanks to Baba Amar Singh Jee we remained as they made sure all of our fees were paid for. Believe me they worked so hard to get them schools going and unfortunatly could not afford the khalsa college which ended up going to the tax man.

They wear kirpans the same as any gurmukh. The majority of the time they prefer to place this into thier dastaar like the sants from Rara Sahib. Baba Ishar Singh jee

did their final diwaans there and were very influential on them.

As far as i am concerned the gurmantra is explained in the amrit sanchar as any other. Gurmantar is explained as the key to unlocking naam. remember naam and gurmantra are different. We were informed on how to do the gurmantra, the meaning are relevence of it. We were told to guard it as once it is lost it is a key that you cannot copy and without it there is no way of starting naam from inside to travel through the chakras, opeing them with raag, ignoring temptations on the way. directions to follow at the tribheni and how to slowly turn the lotus blossum and open it exposing the dasam duar. Now how many of you were told so much in depth during your amrit sanchar.

You have said why do keertan in a house while a akhand paath is ongoing. Does that mean that in the gurdwara where the akhand paths are on going you should do no asa dee vaar, nitnem sahib, rehraas sahib, kiratn sohila sahib and keertan for the sangat to listen. Remember where the guru is present this no longer becomes a normal building but a gurdwara. All they do is try to keep the maryada the same wherever Guru Sahib is.

Unfortunatly i cannot answer regarding the gutka as i do not have one from Nanaksar so i will not do nindya of it. I personally have a gutka fron Nihang Baba Santa Singh Jee as the Banis have more such as the nitnem banis and the evening banis. I believe the panth belongs to one who places god within their heart. Thats who shold be in the khalsa panth only one who has pure prem for god and unfortunatly that rules out alot of us including myself as we have more materialistic issues in our heart that we love.

The birthdays of all Gurus, shaheeds festivals and sants are treated with as much respect as possible. Many many akhand path are done by the sangats in the Nanaksar gurwaras accross the world. The also give the respect to the persons that gave them the knowledge to understand god. One should always do the upmost to remember his teacher who

has been humble enough to share the knowledge of the divine lord. How many people out there do akhand paths on the gurpurbs rather then on their own birthdays?

I hape that this has cleared up alot of the questions asked. i could only write what i honestly know.

Kamalpreet Singh Pardeshi

Waheguru jee Ka Khalsa Waheguru Jee Kee Fatah

Waheguru Jee Ka Khalsa Waheguru Jee Kee Fatah

Slick jatt, sort your name out before you criticise any of the great sants that have been throughout time. You seem to bee proud enough to remember your hindu roots by picking up a caste. At least sort your self out before you insult anyone that has died for the panth or at least given so much to it. Compare yourself to any of these Sants that you are calling fake and tell me what you have achieved and how you have influenced other people to follow the path to god.

Not just you thick jatt but all of you in here. Tell me how you can put these people down when i bet none of us here have even come close to doing anything like these great souls. Your a bunch of people that are engrossed in your own pride i bet you will not even touch your grandparents feet in order to get their blessings of the wise.

Thats a fact howmany of you have ever touched someones feet in a show of respect anwer that. Or are we coming close to the bad times as stated in the Nehklankee Avtar in tha dasam granth where all you are so much involved in pride blowing your own trumpets that you wont do that. I am not talking about Sants/Mahapursh here but your beloved families.

I am fed up with all of the anti Sant movement in this forum. At least the sants will back up Bani in all of their arguements and they for one have never disclaimed any limbs of Bani like the AKJ movement insulting the great Raag Mala. If you can read the article about the sants then you must surely agree with article about the raag mala on many of their sites.

Check out the sainsoldiers site and the sant samaj site off it and see what these great souls have done i

n order to keep this religion going

I am sorry i feel this was and apologise for this message.

Kamalpreet Singh Pardeshi

Waheguru Jee Ka Khalsa Waheguru Jee Kee Fatah

Waheugu Jee Ka Khalsa Waheguru Jee Kee Fatah

Sadhsangat,

why not try Shastervidiya it has been around for thousands of years and is consistant with our roots. Nidar Singh teaches in England along with Darbadhshah Singh. You dont have to listen to half of the rubbish they speak of but the fighting is fantastic.

Kamalpreet Singh Pardeshi

Waheguru Jee Ka Khalsa Waheguru Jee Kee Fatah

Waheguru Jee Ka Khalsa Waheguru Jee Kee Fatah

Sadhsangat,

Its about time some one had the balls to do this. This guy was beginning to piss me off. He insults maharaj, sants and anyhting to do with sikhi. The man wears a kalgi as he thinks he is the reincarnation of Satguru Gobind Singh Jee and has made his own granth called the 'Pav Sagar'. This means the sea of fear so what good are you going to get out of this. It contains lots of fictional stories and the man is constantly stating he is higher in the eyes of god then our satgurus.

It is about time he was injured at least. Lets hope a painfully and slow death is to follow soon.

Kamalpreet Singh Pardeshi

Waheguru Jee Ka Khalsa Waheguru Jee Kee Fatah

Waheguru Jee Ka Khalsa Waheguru Jee Kee Fatah

Word to the moderators

How come we can discuss this and not the raag mala surely this is also a panthic issue and not for us to discuss.

I voted no. People should stop making things how they see fit.

Kamalpreet Singh Pardeshi

Waheguru Jee Ka Khalsa Waheguru Jee Kee Fatah

Moderator's Comment : Veer ji The Ragmala issue has already been discussed before and was closed at the request of the members. You can search the forum for Ragmala. Below is a link to the thread from few months back.

http://forums.waheguroo.com/index.ppa?act=...hl=ragmala&st=0

We will close topics that become a fighing ground for indviduals and begin to effect the members of the forum. otherwise u can pretty much discuss anything sikhi related. Fateh

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Veerjee,

The shabad is a war going on it is explaining the fight and weapons clashing. I know this forum is very anti Dasamgranth.org but the the wording is similar to that in the ward during Chandi di Vaar and Charritar. I belive however the bani is from the Sarbloh Granth.

Believe me if you continue to listen to it, it shall awaken a love inside you that you have never felt before.

Kamalpreet Singh Pardeshi

Waheguru Jee Ka Khalsa Waheguru Jee Kee Fatah

Waheguru Jee Ka Khalsa Waheguru Jee Kee Fatah

Veerjee,

Before you start judging me i am not a namdhari. If you are not aware they are a sect of sikhs who still have a living guru. They believe Satguru Gobind Singh Jee didnt ascend to heaven at hazoor sahib but lived for 151 years under the name of bhai Ajpal Singh!!!

Read about it.

I only go onto their website for the raag keertan as they stick to original rehit of raag keertan which seems to have disappeared from modern day sikhi. lus they do keertan without the Vaja which sounds better as thats what it was probably like during the times of the Gurus.

The other good thing about them is that they do a lot of Bani including the Dasam Bani. There is the Akaal Ustat, Chandi Charitar, Chandi Di Vaar and Ugardantee on that page to download. The Banis are pure bir raas also.

They do more then the 5 Banis we do but the down points being they still have a living guru, dont believe that the guru took amrit from the 5 beloved and they perform Havan which is a Hindu tradition.

The british created them to destroy Sikhi and they have remained ever since. But credit where it is due also i bet alot of them focus on Bani and the name of God more then we do.

I have mutual respect for them but am not one of them.

Kamalpreet Singh Pardeshi

Waheguru Jee Ka Khalsa Waheguru Jee Kee Fatah

Waheguru Jee Ka Khalsa Waheguru Jee Kee Fatah

Veerjee,

I will do as you request and ask them this. Thanks for finding out bro.

~May Maha Kaal bless you~

Kamalpreet Singh Pardeshi

Waheguru Jee Ka Khalsa Waheguru Jee Kee Fatah