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3 minutes ago, Premi5 said:

That's sad. Never heard this from any relatives in Ludhiana or Jalandhar before

Is situation much better now ?

I m talking early 90's.

situation has totally changed now but still there are bad Hindus who make fun of sikh boys in school by sikh jokes.

6 minutes ago, Premi5 said:

 

Where is the Gurdwara Sahib, jee?

This Baba jee looks in Chardhikala from my snapshot impression

It's near nabha.

2 minutes ago, Premi5 said:

 

I think Indians are easily influenced by what the media tells them, maybe less nowadays. I think they believe everything the see in media.

Sorry to know you were emotionally abused

I'm 1982 born. Many hindu boys including dalit hindus , Khatri Hindus and Brahmin Hindus use to make fun of me and fellow Patka wearing sikh boys.

They used to say" oye gyani terrorist go to Pakistan, tere 12 vajj gaye"

14 minutes ago, proactive said:

It must have been in one of the cities, such things could never have taken place in rural Punjab. 

Yes it happened in Ludhiana

Dalit Hindus hated Sikhs during militancy days.

7 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

That's because Malwai juts are more in tune with Sikhi than the average maybe?  

Before coming into sikhi, I wasn't a practicing Sikh or had much knowledge of sikhi. My jatt friends were similar.

But I never witnessed jatt boys doing any physical harm or emotional harm to mazbi or dalit Sikhs around me

On the other hand, when our Kharrku movement was going on, many and many dalits Hindu boys emotionally harmed me and fellow Patka wearing sikh boys by calling us terrorists or Pakistanis etc.

There are good and bad people in every community.

Every community tend to hv some different cultural characteristics.

Mazbis tend to be a bit loyal towards govt.

Jatts as a community tend to be a bit baaghi. Yes on individual level, many gaddaars in jatts too.

Regarding tarkhaan brothers, they still seem to be very strict about not marrying outside their community. I hv seen many jatts marrying outside their caste. I could be wrong but this is what I hv observed or listened from my elders.

26 minutes ago, proactive said:

Watch from 4:32 to 9:30. These scenes are where Daily gets his views about what Punjab is like.

Lol funny old Punjabi films.

16 minutes ago, proactive said:

No, I look at the issue without preconceived notions and bias whereas you keep on harping about this because it suits your anti-Jat agenda. Your only knowledge of this issue is some freshies on the building sites who probably realised how gullible you are and told you BS stories about how they as Jats lord over their village. 

I lived in Punjab in my younger days and this might actually shock you because you seem to think that I am some kind of Jat supremacist but like other Jat kids in my village we had friends from all castes. This is the lived experience of most  Sikhs in rural areas. I have never heard of a Jat in my village raping a Dalit woman much less your favourite accusation that Jats are going around raping Dalit women with impunity.  That is so laughable and the only people egging you on are others of your ilk who also have an agenda and like you no experience of living in Punjab.  

If what you say is correct that Jat oppression is leading to Dalit conversion then why isn't this happening in states outside Punjab? Dalits undergo oppression a hundred times worse than anything you could dream up of what Jats do in Punjab. Then the Dalits outside Punjab would be flocking to churches but that isn't the case because they know that if they convert formally then they will lose the SC benefits and the benefits they get from the Christian missionaries can never match the SC benefits. 

I just asked my mom. She lived in pind for quite a lot of her younger days.

She says that it's true that there are separate gurdwara for jatts and mazbi sikhs but she never heard or witnessed any physical harm done to mazbis by jatts or any rape happening.

In fact my mom said that many jatt landlords helped mazbis financially in doing marriage of their daughters.

I m born and brought up in Ludhiana.  During school days or even up to now I hv never seen mazbi sikhs being treated badly by jatts.

Yes bit of racism or casteism is everywhere as we are all not brahmgyanis.

On 12/2/2020 at 2:12 PM, Akalifauj said:

Hi,  

Dear poster may you please post Gurbani on Sri Chand and Bhai Gurdas ji vaaran on Sri Chand.  Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh ji Bhindranwale believes Gurbani and Bhai Gurdas ji vaaran present an accurate description of Sri chand.

Thanks. 

Also can you post the audio recording of Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh ji katha of Gurbani and bhai Gurdas ji vaaran on Sri Chand.

Once again thanks.  

All 4 compositions of Sri chand ji 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Rq3vfW8lGJGyZnY_y_J_evhTL5trKdna/view?usp=drivesdk

Read all 4 compositions.

Sri Chand only praised and worshipped his father.

On 12/2/2020 at 2:12 PM, Akalifauj said:

Hi,  

Dear poster may you please post Gurbani on Sri Chand and Bhai Gurdas ji vaaran on Sri Chand.  Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh ji Bhindranwale believes Gurbani and Bhai Gurdas ji vaaran present an accurate description of Sri chand.

Thanks. 

Also can you post the audio recording of Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh ji katha of Gurbani and bhai Gurdas ji vaaran on Sri Chand.

Once again thanks.  

Dear veer

What we fail to understand is we all Sikhs make many mistakes.

Bhai Gurditta ji was a brahmgyani but made mistake of bringing a dead cow to life.

40 mukte gave bedaava. Can there be a bigger mistake?

Sri Chand ji in his youth didn't obey his father once. He also might hv wanted to be the 2nd Guru in his mind.

Later in his life he did immense bhagti and became a brahmgyani.

We hv rehitnamas which prohibit us not to associate with dhir malliye, meenaas, ram rayiye and masands.

If Sri Chand and his associates did anti sikh activities, Guru Gobind Singh ji must hv told the Sangat to boycott them. But Guru Sahib didn't.

All 4 compositions of Sri chand ji 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Rq3vfW8lGJGyZnY_y_J_evhTL5trKdna/view?usp=drivesdk

46 minutes ago, dharamyudh said:

1984 was hukam. Nothing is beyond hukam, japji sahib says this. 

Hukam of Waheguru is a highly subjective topic and not that easy to understand by human beings.

If 1984 was hukam then why chaupai sahib says that waheguru ji gets sad when saints experience dukh.

Santan dukh paye te dukhi

20 minutes ago, dharamyudh said:

Remember there was a bachan given out by Sant Thakur Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindranwale, a gursikh whom I have the upmost deep respect for. This bachan stated that Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindranwale was alive and in chardikala and many Kharku Singhs believed this. It is only recently, in a recent space I heard with people who were close with them that he admitted it wasn't true on his death bed. I believe the reason he did this was to protect some naaujaawn from getting killed or something like that. This bachan caused many people to put down their arms because they believed Sant Ji was returning, but as we all know he became shaheed during Operation BlueStar. 

So many people criticize Santa Singh and rightfully so.

But no one criticizes Baba Thakur Singh Bhindranwale for lying to panth that Sant ji is fine and will return.

Maybe proactive veerji can elaborate.

If u ask a taksali as to why Baba thakur Singh ji lied, he will use the same scare tactic that all dere vaalas use

"Haven't u read the sukhmani Sahib ashtpadi about slandering the saints? Baba ji was a pooran brahmgyani and his bachans are mysterious and will come true"

7 minutes ago, Premi5 said:

I don't who exactly are 'Brahmgiani' but in Sri Sukhmani Sahib Jee:

barahm gi-aanee aap nirankaar.

The God-conscious being is himself the Formless Lord.

I think this tukk means that brahmgyani has burned his Haume and whatever he does are not his own actions, it's Waheguru ji doing those actions.

A brahmgyani is very close to perfection but still not 100% perfect.

8 hours ago, Jai Tegang! said:

There is probably a lot that goes on behind the scenes with keeping humanity from going extinct. The only thing Gyani Thakur Singh did is share this stuff out in the open, which he perhaps should not do because people are just not receptive of anything beyond their understanding.

We need to respect and value our Mahapurkhs along with our Soormay. They both are important for a balanced Panth.

I agree that it's the bhagti of mahapurash people that gives power to earth to tolerate the sins of manmukhs.

But mahapuraks remain in bhaanaa and don't just keep on doing ardaasan " o waheguru stop a future nuclear war, stop a future natural calamity etc"

Also to be a true mahaPurakh, one doesn't necessarily hv to live in a dera and call oneself sant baba.

10 hours ago, Arsh1469 said:

Let's just believe whatever anyone says. It says real story so it must be real.

Lol

Guru Angad dev ji has also taught us not to interfere in Waheguru's hukam.

Waheguru ji is a self created INFINITE being. He alone knows His ways. His plans are mysterious. 

First of all we shud not interfere in Waheguru's plans.

But If we want to make some change in His plans, we shud just do a nimaani Ardaas.

We shud not lock ourselves in a room and tell the world that we changed a plan of Waheguru by doing tap for so many days.

13 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

Ranjeet got me thinking with something he said in another thread, he grasped what I've intuitively felt but couldn't articulate before. It would be much easier to convert people who have at least some dharmic background to Sikhi (i.e. hindus, jains, buddhists) because the transition wouldn't be as dramatic as someone who's been deeply entrenched in an abrahamic way of thinking. We have to get our own act right too though, it's no good treating potential converts like low lives.  Maybe they should be good, grounded sehaj dharis first? 

 

Many Sindhi Hindus hv become Sikhs.

Bagri Rajasthani Hindus in sindh hv started becoming sikhs too.

Now the question is why Sikhs hv not been able to convert Hindus in India to Sikhism?

1. We never tried or had a strategy to do so. It's only due to kisan andolan that we hv realized the potential of jaats coming into Sikhism.

2. We hv completely given up simran. We hv become even more mayadhari than fellow Indian people. We are running after money and dollars and our parcharaks and brahmgyani babaas are also doing the same.

32 minutes ago, ishvtan said:

Please read Sukhmani Sahib, there are Ashtpadis dedicated to Sants and brhmgainis 

How do you know hansali vale were brahmgyani or sant?

Maybe he was below sant avastha as there are nice spiritual avasthas below sant avastha as well.

Even if he was a brahmgyani, he could still make a mistake.

17 minutes ago, ishvtan said:

You said he wanted to open a dera on his name, become known in world and tell ppl he has powers... really!?!? 

I said MAYBE he wanted to open a dera on his name and get pragat in the world. I used the word 'maybe' as I don't know what his real avastha was but I never said he had low avastha. He certainly had nice bhagti.

Regarding showing his powers, I think he made a mistake by telling people that he reduced tsunami wave 10 times by staying in his room for 10 days.

Can't he make a mistake?

Is he perfect?

Is he Guru Sahib?