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Dallysingh veerji and other Sangat ji
Please inform as much Sangat as you know so that Gurwinder Singh nangli ji is helped in completing this katha project.
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Gobind Gita is a great composition found in some old Dasam Granth Sarups. It is present in an old Dasam Granth Sarup at Patna Sahib whose scribe was Baba Deep Singh ji.
To do katha of Gobind gita is not a single person's job. It needs a team.
Some persons in the team shud be trained in gurmat and some to be trained in krishan's gita like nirmalas are.
This project needs help from the panth. Gurwinder Singh nangli is a great scholar who wants to do katha of Gobind Gita. Please help him complete this project.
He can be contacted at
+91 9914647591
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4 jaats from Rajasthan become amritdhari at Harmandir Sahib, Amritsar.
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Taksalis and nihangs fought and taksalis opened fire just because some cows entered the fields of taksal.
Taksal is vegetarian.
Nihangs are non vegetarian.
But it seems nihangs hv much more love for the cows and horses than taksalis.
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5 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:
In 2017 a subgroup murdered the Jathedaar of another subgroup.
https://www.sikh24.com/2017/08/23/buddha-dals-deputy-jathedar-bahadur-singh-shot-dead/
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6 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:
See this is why arguing on the forum is healthy. We might as well fight out as many issues as we can this way. There aren't enough of us to fight each other, and I don't think our parents would be proud. Traitors and fakes? That's one thing. Anyone with any real sharda has no business fighting each other though. And if we are going to fight each other we should start with Patit organizations, cults like 3ho, wasp incursion etc.
In 2017 a subgroup murdered the Jathedaar of another subgroup.
https://www.sikh24.com/2017/08/23/buddha-dals-deputy-jathedar-bahadur-singh-shot-dead/
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In future it won't be just jathas or sampardas attacking each other.
Every jatha or samparda is further divided into subgroups and these subgroups also dislike each other and might attack each other.
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19 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:
Why would they be going to war with another samparda?
It won't be a war but more of murders and assassination killings.
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1 hour ago, shastarSingh said:
Pingalwara are also doing natural farming in punjab successfully.
They say that only 10% of organisms are harmful to crop. Rest 90% of organisms are actually helpfull. But when we use pesticides we kill even helpful organisms and disturb natural biological processes.
Plz watch the above video especially at 41:00
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7 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:
I've been largely organic in my garden, but even then I have to kill loads of aphids, whether through natural pesticides (like neem oil, which doesn't seem to work too well?) or just physically rubbing the aphids off the plant. Or you can catch some ladybirds and use them to help control the pests.
It's a genocide of creatures one way or another.
Its also a genocide of birds.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/aug/10/pesticides-us-birds-species-biodiversity-study
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7 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:
It's true. You have to kill lots of things just to grow food - aphids etc. Anyone killing creatures in the millions for vegetables and then pontificating about the virtues of vegetarianism makes me laugh.
Pingalwara are also doing natural farming in punjab successfully.
They say that only 10% of organisms are harmful to crop. Rest 90% of organisms are actually helpfull. But when we use pesticides we kill even helpful organisms and disturb natural biological processes.
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1 hour ago, Premi5 said:
I think the Jews put heavy emphasis on learning Hebrew formally, in classes outside school or their kids attend school where they learn Hebrew. I'm sure it's not all Jews, but many of them born outside Israel seem to have good knowledge. They also have 'friendly' environments in the UK and US.
If the parents who are second, third, fourth generation immigrants do not speak much Panjabi at home, then the answer is to either ensure regular Panjabi classes outside school, or for school to teach Panjabi as second language with heavy emphasis, from at least age 7-8. They could do drama classes in schools. They could do role plays of historical Sikhs maybe (not Gurus).
Visiting Panjab at least once a year for minimum one month engaging in activities speaking only Panjabi would also help.
There are several Panjabi 'singers' born and bred in the UK who speak very good Panjabi, unfortunately their musical talents are utilised in a non-dharmic way
Going one step further, Sikhs would benefit from knowledge of Hindi or Sanskrit and Farsi.
you are born and bred in Panjab. My observation is that Indian Panjabis speak Panjabi with quite limited vocab compared with Pakistanis. Also, too much trying to include English words in every sentence. 'Theth' Panjabi is not considered as 'good'.
Our sikh boys don't read much Punjabi literature. Even I didn't read much Punjabi literature. Only after coming into sikhi, I read Punjabi sikhi literature.
Everyone in Punjab want their kids to study in big schools and learn English.
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1 minute ago, Jacfsing2 said:
Why would they be going to war with another samparda?
I don't want to name the jatha and samparda here as I don't want to create troubles between Singhs.
But I was told by a bazurg Singh that they are secretly storing weapons somewhere.
There is lots of distrust between organizations.
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4 minutes ago, Premi5 said:
https://www.historicalgurudwaras.com/GurudwaraDetail.aspx?gid=8291
GURUDWARA SHRI CHARAN KAMAL SAHIB is situated in Village Naraina, Teh Dudu, Distt Jaipur, Rajasthan.
SHRI GURU GOBIND SINGH JI came here while travelling from Talwandi Sabo to Nanded Sahib. GURU SAHIB came here via Sirsa, Nohar, Sahwa etc.
At the request of Mahant Jait Ram Ji of GURU SAHIB Dadu Samparda, he came here with the Sangat and stayed for 13 days. GURU SAHIB bowed his bow to Dadu's mausoleum. Along with GURU SAHIB, the Sikhs inquired about the fact that according to Gurmat it was not allowed to bow down in front of any Samadh and punished GURU SAHIB for this mistake.
GURU SAHIB gladly accepted the Hukam of the Khalsa and by praised that the Khalsa has fulfilled its duty according to Gurmat and has succeeded in this test. Apart from this, GURU SAHIB created a miracle that his falcon keeping in mind the sentiments of Mahant Jait Ram ji accepted bajra food.
Nice sakhi
Guru Sahib is sarab kalaa samrath.
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10 minutes ago, Premi5 said:
@shastarSinghjee, if more Sikhs in Panjab were even half as intelligent or knowledgable about Sikhi, Itihaas and current affairs, Sikhs would be in much better position politically and for the future
You should become a prachaarik....
You could help the 'lost' jatts as well, who have gone away from Sikhi
Yea i could become sant baba shastar singh ji 108 Ludhiane vale.
May be nri Sikhs like you could gift me some nice big cars and a couple of foreign tours an year.
*Jokes*
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2 hours ago, proactive said:Sir Chhotu Ram was against the Arya Samaj as well. His aim was to unite the Jaats and to bring them prosperity and education. He did not do anything which was anti-Sikh and the first editor of his newspaper, the Jat Gazette was a Jaat who had converted to Sikhi.
He was a member of the Unionist Party in the pre-1947 Punjab which was a party of agricultural interests. Since 70-80% of people in the states of both Punjab and Haryana rely on agriculture, the future is for a similar party to try and take power in both states.
Veerji
Very nice information.
From what I hv talked with jaats, they were really impressed by medical facilities they received at kisan andolan.
May be diaspora Sikhs can fund a mobile medical team which can go to villages in haryana and help people with medical treatment, medical tests and medicines.
This will bring affection in the hearts of jaats for Sikhs.
Affection is a very strong tool to win people to your side.
Ideally, this medical team shud be of practicinh knowledgeable Sikhs who also believe in 'sarab rog ka aukhad NAAM".
We don't need fuddu leftist doctors who say that religion is secondary and it's more important to be a good human being.
Medical facilities in rural India are terribly bad.
We can send these mobile medical teams of practicing Sikhs not just in haryana but whole of india.
Its a mode of sikhi parchar as well as helping humanity.
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36 minutes ago, Jassu said:
This whole thread is weird
This is the problem with vegetarian Sikhs of today.
If you show them some evidence that meat was touched or even eaten by Singhs in the past, they will totally ignore it and even try to do some insult of the person showing evidence.
With such an attitude for fellow Sikhs, no doubt we might physically attack each other in future.
I see it coming.
I hv been told by a Singh of a jatha that they are secretly storing weapons for a future clash with another samparda.
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42 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:
Nice points!
McDonald's and KFC is terrible.
There is another dimension to hunting animals.
Western Sikhs haven't experienced hunger and poverty.
I live in punjab but hv my agricultural farm in UP near Nepal border. There is a lot of forest area there.
Poor Hindus and Muslims there struggle for 2 meals a day. Muslims do hunting to provide adequate food for their family.
Even vegetarian Hindus hv started to hunt and their kids get good food and are healthier and stronger.
Its easy for vegetarian Sikhs to sit in a comfortable house and talk about vegetarianism.
Real world is different. Hunger is still a big issue for millions and millions of people.
Just to add 1 more thing.
In the area around my farm,Punjabis of which many are vegetarian are quite prosperous and hv electric wire fence or sharp wire fence around their farm to stop animals from spoiling their crop.
This wire hurts many animals.
So vegetarians being compassionate to animals is a myth.
Vegetarian farmers do so much spray on their crop and kill not only pests but billions of Non harmful organisms.
If vegetarian farmers are given freedom, they will cut whatever forest they see and increase their agricultural land and become big sardaars.
Cutting a forest results in death of millions of organisms and animals and for many animals it's a terrible death.
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9 hours ago, Not2Cool2Argue said:
However I do think eating meat does affect us spirtually.
Horse is herbivorous and is most kaami.
Lion is carnivorous and is least kaami.
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We hv almost zero forest cover in punjab. Our future generations will pay the price for it.
Even Rajasthan a desert has more forest cover.
Had Sikhs been doing shikaar, we would have had much greater forest cover in punjab. Plus Sikhs would hv been much better trained in using guns and weapons and would not hv been beaten up by shiv Sena gundaas or ram rahim chellaas.
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9 hours ago, Not2Cool2Argue said:Yes vegetarianism is not feasible worldwide. Eskimos and those living in cold climate have to rely on meat. In fact due to availability Eskimos have started eating western foods and they get diseases like diabetes etc at a much earlier age like 30s and 40s if they eat the western grain based diet. Ofc it could be that they are getting the packaged junk food.
I think we have to stop being like abrahamic religions about diet. They believe there is only way of doing things, we should be wise enough to realize that it's rarely the case in this vast world. I think that is why even Guru Nanak Dev ji did not take a stand on gurbani on the meat issue.
However, I do think going the western way and having meat for breakfast lunch and dinner is terrible. Like most ancient peoples meat was once a while thing. When you got around to hunting or when you decided it was time to sacrifice the animal you were raising since infancy. Usually done in winter, when other food sources were scarce.
Also, the more North you go, diet is more likely to contain coffee alcohol and meat. The more tropical the more fruits veggies and grains. Ayurvedically this makes sense. Also our genes play a role. There was a study that people from South India lack certain enzymes so that if they eat meat, it's more likely to store saturated fat and give heart attacks etc.
However I do think eating meat does affect us spirtually. That is why most samparda are against it. Only those that are about war like Nihangs are on with it. And that's great, when the time comes to fight, it would be good to have some Sikhs who know how to prepare meat and which parts are good to eat. I don't even know how to cook an egg. And cooking meat is a lot more fraught with danger. It can easily go rancid, or make you sick if under cooked or easily cause food poisoning. There was a granth I think prem sumarg( not sure tho) that listed the types of fish ok for khalsa to eat. Which types of meat are dangerous (dead animals etc)
However when most Sikhs are told meat is ok, they start eating McDonald's and the terrible factory farmed meat. Which is very very harmful. At least the vegetarian panjabis are saved from the terrible disease of the west like colon cancer. Same thing with saying Marijuana is ok. Sikh Kids have starting using edibles and junk like that.
That's why I think certain granths, philosophies and habits were restricted or kept hidden with certain jathas. So they could be properly imparted and done under supervision. When democracy or the masses get hold of something it's destroyed or wrong fully misused.
So a nanny state and a sanitized version of things is important. Real seekers can find the real answers themselves.
Nice points!
McDonald's and KFC is terrible.
There is another dimension to hunting animals.
Western Sikhs haven't experienced hunger and poverty.
I live in punjab but hv my agricultural farm in UP near Nepal border. There is a lot of forest area there.
Poor Hindus and Muslims there struggle for 2 meals a day. Muslims do hunting to provide adequate food for their family.
Even vegetarian Hindus hv started to hunt and their kids get good food and are healthier and stronger.
Its easy for vegetarian Sikhs to sit in a comfortable house and talk about vegetarianism.
Real world is different. Hunger is still a big issue for millions and millions of people.
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Finally manoj Singh Duhan meets Akaal Takht Jathedaar.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=443973967307627&id=100050850813377