shastarSingh

5 minutes ago, ipledgeblue said:

ok but I am talking about sampradaiye which were recognised. I know the Damdami Mehta Chowk Bhindra Taksal links themselves to Baba Deep Singh and maybe Bhai Mani Singh, but I am talking about samprada which were recognised and written about in the history books as well as oral tradition.

It's shocking to see the taksal are threatening against Gobind Gita, wouldn't expect it from them. However Singhs/sikhs within Nirmala sampradaiye are also scholars and teachers of Santhiya, and some Sants come from this sampradaiye as well, and Nirmala sikhs would welcome Gobind Gita and prachar. 

It used to be normal to listen to Nihang Singhs as the voice and commanders of the panth, as opposed to listening to less rehitee sikhs. However, with SGPC, it seems to have become about listening to scholars and those who think they know better and start their own sects, than actual rehitee Singhs!

Nihang Singhs already have pahul ceremony for Singhnis, and it probably exists all the way from Guru Gobind Singh.

Don't nihangs hv kirpan amrit for women?

19 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:

Lately some parcharaks hv got Gobind gita published and hv plans to do its katha.

Damdami taksal Mehta chowk calls itself puratan samparda.

They are scaring these parcharaks to stop their work on Gobind gita.

Had it been anarchy like situation, they might hv physically threatened these parcharaks.

Just because an organization is old, doesn't mean it's 100% right.

 

Even Sardar Ajmer Singh is critical of Gobind gita.

15 minutes ago, ipledgeblue said:

 

probably best to edit your original post and fix it so people aren't confused

Remember that panthic sampradaiye have been sidelined and forced undercover during the Singh Sabha movement, just so that organisations like SGPC could take control. I call those panthic, thought they don't seem to be recognised by the current SGPC associated panth, but they were recognised and blessed by Guru Gobind Singh as well as being recognised by Dal Khalsa panth. Now the panthic definition seems to be used in a corrupted way, used more for those jathebandi/organisations which are associated in an alliance with SGPC and their rehit maryada, and less for those associated with traditional sikh groups such as the Dal Khalsa fauj +puraatan rehit and also those groups forced undercover.

Lately some parcharaks hv got Gobind gita published and hv plans to do its katha.

Damdami taksal Mehta chowk calls itself puratan samparda.

They are scaring these parcharaks to stop their work on Gobind gita.

Had it been anarchy like situation, they might hv physically threatened these parcharaks.

Just because an organization is old, doesn't mean it's 100% right.

6 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

Bro, a while ago you asked why those lot in Afghanistan pulled off what they did. A big part of it was a really hardline on gadaar collaborators. That needs to be a big focus for us. That's always been what's let us down in the past. 

Real gaddaars shud be punished.

But our qaum has a tendency that any person they don't like personally, they call him a gaddaar.

So there is a chance that we might start killing each other by calling each other gaddaar.

11 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

@shastarSingh

I think a little bit of what you are saying is inevitable. Sell out gadaars are long overdue chittar anyways.  

It will be good if couple of nindaks of Dasam Granth Sahib are sent to he'll.

But other than that if panthic groups fight with each other, it will be the loss of whole Khalsa panth.

It's a copy paste error.

I hv contact with sikhs from various different organizations.

4 minutes ago, ipledgeblue said:

absolutely, we need to be careful when people take the word of those they call gursikhs over the word of the Guru.

There are people who justify going against bani or cutting out bani, or criticising rehit, just because according to these people great gursikhs did the same!

I hv contact with sikhs from various different organizations.

There is so much distrust and dislike for each other between them, I won't be surprised if they physically attack each other especially if there is some anarchy or disorder in India.

Ideally if there is anarchy in India, Sikhs shud get together and form a sikh state. That's why efforts shud be made NOW to get unity between sikh organizations.

14 minutes ago, Singh1989 said:

I believe hours of Amritvela should overweigh his attachment to money "sin"? Am definitely not saying keeping doing sins then do hours of Paat / seva t be forgiven.

 

Nothing wrong with advancing in achievements or wanting more. But yeah we should keep our actions in check when we don't get that more / unable to advance. The question is, what was on his mind whilst advancing? Was it greed? Was it just enjoyment? Was it cost of living STILL outweighed income??? 

I used the word great for this amritdhari in the title of this thread.

He had great amritvelaas and loads of kamayee. He was doing great bhagti but suddenly in his last years got so much interested in Maya when he already had more than enough money.

My point is

Only Guru Sahib is perfect.

Gursikhs can falter.

24 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Bhai Joga Singh was someone who took Amrit from Guru Sahib’s own hands, was always dedicated to Sikhi and would constantly do simran, but for even having one second of ego, he nearly went to a prostitute. 

Even the Singhs who gave bedaava to Guru Sahib must hv been good rehitvaan gursikhs but what a grave mistake they made.

But our Guru ji is so great that He forgave the mistake.

15 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Bhai Joga Singh was someone who took Amrit from Guru Sahib’s own hands, was always dedicated to Sikhi and would constantly do simran, but for even having one second of ego, he nearly went to a prostitute. 

21 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Yeah, even the best Gursikhs are not equal to Guru Sahib themselves. 

Yes only Guru Sahib has the power and authority to give Naam to human beings.

Even the greatest brahmgyani cannot give Naam to anyone.

1 minute ago, shastarSingh said:

There are many different spiritual avasthas and gursikhs belong to those different avasthas.

Very high avastha gursikhs or brahmgyanis are close to being perfect but still they are not perfect.

6 hours ago, Redoptics said:

A true Gursikh , is few and far between and they are perfect, can't remember the shabad but Guru Nanak Ji said he was lucky to touch the feet of a Gursikh or something in that vein. 

There are many different spiritual avasthas and gursikhs belong to those different avasthas.

Very high avastha gursikhs or brahmgyanis are close to being perfect but still they are not perfect.

11 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

The dog cries out Vaheguru?

Not exactly vaheguru!

It seems to remember God when it hears satnaam waheguru from Gurdwara Sahib.

I feel that one of the reasons Guru Gobind Singh ji liked Hanuman Natak was because hanuman had immense loyalty and love for raam. Guru Sahib really valued that.

We hv so many granthis who do lots of paatth but still don't hv much spiritual avastha.

They do paatth for money and not for love of Guru Sahib or God.

Being totally committed and loyal to Guru Sahib comes first.

Bhagti is also very important but it comes after loyalty and love and commitment.

3 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Depends on your definiton of Guru Sahib. If you're referring to living men of the modern age who set themselves up as representatives or spokesmen of Guru Sahib who are ostensibly occupying a "throne" that's passed down through the generations, then that's a line I wouldn't cross.

By Guru Sahib, I mean our 10 Guru Sahibaan.

By submission, I meant being ready to sacrifice anything for Guru Sahib.

3 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

I'm not following Islam.

That's how you end up in a place where you follow leaders blindly who end up getting you killed or talk you into doing the unspeakable. 

Is submission to Guru Sahib wrong?

There hv been many Kharrku Singhs who had ok bhagti but not enough to reach Sachkhand. But they reached sachkhand because they gave shaheedi for their Guru.

There is a nice sikh parcharak who keeps contact with naamdharis as they hv very good collection of books and manuscripts in their library.

We were talking about naamdharis on phone and he told me that a naamdhari has become amritdhari.

The naamdhari shared his experience that he has been doing nitnem for many years and used to feel ok.

But now he has become amritdhari and loyal to 10 Guru Sahibaan and has rejected the fake naamdhari gurus, he feels so much great when he does his nitnem. He feels so much charrdikala after becoming amritdhari.

13 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

It's obvious now, some people had different practices/maryadas. Just because your jatha/samapdaya doesn't do certain things, doesn't mean that all Sikhs in the past were doing the same as yours. It's like jhatka and shaheedi degh, just because your jatha doesn't do it (which is fair enough) it doesn't mean no respectable puratan Sikhs in the past did it. You can even maybe say the same to explain slight differences in nitnem banis even?

 

Even if u provide solid evidence, people belonging to a group are not willing to change their stance.

They feel that founder or leader of their group was God and he cannot make an error.