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https://roundtableindia.co.in/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4347:essays-on-the-bhagwat-gita-philosophic-defence-of-counter-revolution-krishna-and-his-gita&catid=119:feature&Itemid=132 Dr. Ambedkar The first instance one comes across in reading the Bhagvat Gita is the justification of war. Arjuna had declared himself against the war, against killing people for the sake of property. Krishna offers a philosophic defence of war and killing in war. This philosophic defence of war will be found in Chapter II verses II to 28. The philosophic defence of war offered by the Bhagvat Gita proceeds along two lines of argument. One line of argument is that anyhow the world is perishable and man is mortal. Things are bound to come to an end. Man is bound to die. Why should it make any difference to the wise whether man dies a natural death or whether he is done to death as a result of violence? Life is unreal, why shed tears because it has ceased to be? Death is inevitable, why bother how it has resulted ? The second line of argument in justification of war is that it is a mistake to think that the body and the soul are one. They are separate. Not only are the two quite distinct but they differ in-as-much as the body is perishable while the soul is eternal and imperishable. When death occurs it is the body that dies. The soul never dies. Not only does it never die but air cannot dry it, fire cannot burn it, and a weapon cannot cut it. It is therefore wrong to say that when a man is killed his soul is killed. What happens is that his body dies. His soul discards the dead body as a person discards his old clothes—wears a new ones and carries on. As the soul is never killed, killing a person can never be a matter of any movement. War and killing need therefore give no ground to remorse or to shame, so argues the Bhagvat Gita. ============== The philosophic defence offered by the Bhagvat Gita of the Kshtriya's duty to kill is to say the least puerile. To say that killing is no killing because what is killed is the body and not the soul is an unheard of defence of murder. This is one of the doctrines which make some people say that the doctrines make one's hair stand on their end. If Krishna were to appear as a lawyer acting for a client who is being tried for murder and pleaded the defence set out by him in the Bhagvat Gita there is not the slightest doubt that he would be sent to the lunatic asylum.

https://roundtableindia.co.in/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4347:essays-on-the-bhagwat-gita-philosophic-defence-of-counter-revolution-krishna-and-his-gita&catid=119:feature&Itemid=132 Dr. Ambedkar Another dogma to which the Bhagvat Gita comes forward to offer a philosophic defence is Chaturvarnya. The Bhagvat Gita, no doubt, mentions that the Chaturvarnya is created by God and therefore sacrosanct. But it does not make its validity dependent on it. It offers a philosophic basis to the theory of Chaturvarnya by linking it to the theory of innate, inborn qualities in men. The fixing of the Varna of man is not an arbitrary act says the Bhagvat Gita. But it is fixed according to his innate, inborn qualities. ==================== Similarly childish is the defence of the Bhagvat Gita of the dogma of chaturvarnya. Krishna defends it on the basis of the Guna theory of the Sankhya. But Krishna does not seem to have realized what a fool he has made of himself. In the chaturvarnya there are four Varnas. But the gunas according to the Sankhyas are only three. How can a system of four varnas be defended on the basis of a philosophy which does not recognise more than three varnas? ============ The second injunction is laid down in Chapter XVIII verses 41-48. In this Krishna tells that every one do the duty prescribed for his Varna and no other and warns those who worship him and are his devotees that they will not obtain salvation by mere devotion but by devotion accompanied by observance of duty laid down for his Varna. In short, a Shudra however great he may be as a devotee will not get salvation if he has transgressed the duty of the Shudra—namely to live and die in the service of the higher classes.

I personally fail to see the context in kathas I hv heard. They just glorify krishan "bhagwan" in my opinion.

Also listen to simranjit Singh tuhana on YouTube. There r other kathavachaks too who quote gita. Nirmalas rever gita almost like Hindus and many of our gianis and kathavachaks hv/had nirmala "vidiya gurus".

It's not a commentary in my opinion. It's a sutantar independent rachna. Same way krishan avtar in Dasam Granth Sahib is not a translation or commentary of 10th skandh of bhaagwat puraan but an independent rachna.

That's true. To be gita specific, do we need to do gita parchar when we don't need to? It's the scripture most revered by upper caste Hindus and lower caste people hv objections against this scripture.

Dallysingh veerji MisterrSingh veerji Jkvlondon sisterji Ranjeet01 veerji And other intelligent Sangat ji Plz give ur opinion

Spiritually we don't need the parchar of kachi bani of gita from our stages. Thinking a bit more politically, there are crores of dalits, kabirpanthis, sikligars, vanjaras and many other OBC tribes who are prospective candidates of Sikhism. These so called lower caste people hv problem with gita. https://www.deccanchronicle.com/141220/commentary-op-ed/article/gita-and-obcs Even the great leader of dalits Dr. Ambedkar has written against gita. https://roundtableindia.co.in/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4347:essays-on-the-bhagwat-gita-philosophic-defence-of-counter-revolution-krishna-and-his-gita&catid=119:feature&Itemid=132 By doing parchar of gita from our stages, we will only be alienating ourselves from these crores of people who r very prospective candidates to become Sikhs. Some of our parcharaks just to show off their scholarly skills start quoting from gita or vedantic texts. They r harming Sikhs spiritually and politically.

Dalits and OBC community does not like gita. They call Ambedkar as their greatest leader. We shud be trying to bring them into the fold of sikhi but our fuddu parcharaks r glorifying gita. Dr. Ambedkar on gita https://roundtableindia.co.in/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4347:essays-on-the-bhagwat-gita-philosophic-defence-of-counter-revolution-krishna-and-his-gita&catid=119:feature&Itemid=132

Dr. Ambedkar on gita https://roundtableindia.co.in/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4347:essays-on-the-bhagwat-gita-philosophic-defence-of-counter-revolution-krishna-and-his-gita&catid=119:feature&Itemid=132

Dr. Ambedkar on gita https://roundtableindia.co.in/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4347:essays-on-the-bhagwat-gita-philosophic-defence-of-counter-revolution-krishna-and-his-gita&catid=119:feature&Itemid=132

Gurmit Singh gaurav is doing great sewa of sikhi parchar on jaats. His contact no. is +917009618912

They operate through YouTube these days. Very informative videos. https://youtube.com/c/GurmatBibek

Tomorrow if a person kills his opponent, he will say in the court that I hv not done any wrong. I hv only killed my opponent's body, not his soul.

https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/2 Arjuna says It would be better to live in this world by begging, than to enjoy life by killing these noble elders, who are my teachers. If we kill them, the wealth and pleasures we enjoy will be tainted with blood. krishan says Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be. ..... Only the material body is perishable; the embodied soul within is indestructible, immeasurable, and eternal. Therefore, fight, O descendent of Bharat.

https://www.deccanchronicle.com/141220/commentary-op-ed/article/gita-and-obcs

kṛṣi-go-rakṣya-vāṇijyaḿ vaiśya-karma svabhāva-jam paricaryātmakaḿ karma śūdrasyāpi svabhāva-jam Translation of Bhagavad Gita 18.44 Farming, cow protection and business are the natural work for the vaishyas, and for the shudras there is labor and service to others.

Chapter 4, Verse 13: “chātur-varṇyaḿ mayā sṛṣṭaḿ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ | tasya kartāram api māḿ viddhy akartāram avyayam ||” "According to the three modes of material nature and the work associated with them, the four divisions of human society are created by Me. And although I am the creator of this system, you should know that I am yet the non-doer, being unchangeable."

In the same shabad Guru Gobind Singh ji also says that krishan called himself God. ਅਧਿਕ ਪ੍ਰਪੰਚ ਦਿਖਾਇ ਸਭਨ ਕਹ ਆਪਹਿ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਕਹਾਏ ॥੧॥अधिक प्रपंच दिखाइ सभन कह आपहि ब्रहमु कहाए ॥१॥And displayed several phenomena to all and caused others to call Him Brahm (God).1.

https://gurmatbibek.com/forum/read.php?3,4772 Veerji In the below tukk, Guru Gobind Singh ji clearly states that krishan himself drowned in world ocean and hence he cannot save anyone. Many of our fuddu parcharaks hv direct or indirect linkage with nirmalas and they hv made a large part of our Sangat into followers of advait Vedanta and admirers of krishan "bhagwan". ਕੈਸੇ ਤੋਹਿ ਤਾਰਿ ਹੈ ਸੁਨਿ ਜੜ ਆਪ ਡੁਬਯੋ ਭਵ ਸਾਗਰ ॥ कैसे तोहि तारि है सुनि जड़ आप डुबयो भव सागर ॥ O fool ! listen, how can he(Vishnu Incarnation) cause you to cross the dreadful ocean of Sansara (world), when he himself is drowned in great ocean?

This is what I think of krishan He was vishnu avataar and was sent by Akaal Purakh to kill kans which he successfully did. He was a beautiful child and had many powers gifted to him by God. His haumme or ego got better of him and he started calling himself God and had sex with many gopis. He also promoted deceit 3 times during the war of Mahabharata. In the end he drowned in the world ocean and had to face dharam rai.

Dear veer In our nitnem in tav prasad swaiwe we read Brahm mahesar bisan sachipat ant fasse jamm faas parange If vishnu is subject to jamm, how can his rachna be used for sikhi parchar when Sikhs hv the khazana of dhur ki baani Just as bible and Quran, gita has some good true teachings and some false teachings. If a sikh has time and interest, he can read gita, bible etc. But we don't need gita parchar from our stages. Satgur binaa hor kachi hai bani.....

Hindu trinity including krishan is subject to JAMMDOOTS. https://gurmatbibek.com/forum/read.php?3,4772