Why did the Sarbatt Khalsa 2015 fail? Because we had no identified issues to resolve; no viable leadership alternatives; no progressive plans outlined and above all we elected sampradaic thugs to lead us. Who called this Sarbatt Khalsa? The UAD of the infamous Simranjeet Singh Maan, a second-rate politician, and the more rebellious elements of the Sant-Samaj who wished to sit on higher chairs than their superiors. Let us take examples, from the Sikh past, as to why Sarbatt Khalsas were held and what their outcomes were:

1.) Bhai Mani Singh Ji, with the concurrence of other elected Sikh leaders, called a Sarbatt Khalsa to resolve the Tat-Bandai conflict. The Bandais military strength was decimated and the Mughals also forced to retreat for the time. This Sarbatt Khalsa addressed as to who was the Guru Ad perpetum, the Guru Granth Sahib Ji or Banda Singh Bahadur.

2.) The next Sarbatt Khalsa divided the Sikhs into 5 Jathas, all 200 strong, to bolster the Panth's depleted military strength. These Jathas consisted of the younger Sikhs, Bhujangis, and were led by veteran Nihangs such as Baba Dip Singh Ji.

3.) A Sarbatt Khalsa was then held in the jungles of Punjab to debate the Mughals' offer of governorship to the Sikhs. Five Sikhs were elected by the assembled Sikhs to debate the pros and cons of the offer and present them to the Sangat. The Sarbatt Khalsa ended with a re-definition of governorship i.e.

-The governor would have a council of five Sikhs who would continually advise him on matters affecting the Sangat.

-The governor would be bound to the dictums of the Sangat and not vice versa.

-The governor would retain the prerogative to elect his own successor but only if the sangat ratified his course of action.

3.) Kapur Singh, the elected governor, would commune the next Sarbatt Khalsa. In this, he would demarcate the Sikhs into two blocs- the Budha Dal and Tarna Dal.

Each and every one of these Sarbatt Khalsas, and successive assemblies, would follow the same course:

1.) The assembly would be declared, Sikhs would collate.

2.) All who collated, would then elect a body to debate upon and identify the most crucial matters facing the Panth.

3.) A body of intellectuals and leaders, in both social and military competencies, would then be elected to decide which course of action to take in whichever crucial matters they were mandated to resolve.

In the 2015 Sarbatt Khalsa what we had was:

1.) All issues were identified prior by UAD and the Samaj. The Sangat was involved nowhere.

2.) A body was already elected, prior, to the event itself which had formed it's own opinions and preconceived notions.

3.) Intellectuals and the more honest leaders (including some sell-outs desiring to fool the sangat) were nowhere present.

4.) And lastly, but most importantly, all the crucial issues worth debating were absent. What were these issues?

A.) In post-colonial India, why are the Sikhs facing socio-political persecution whenever they desire to express sentiments of self-determination?

B.) The beadbi at Bargari has historically been witnessed in post-independence Punjab as well. What are the hidden motives behind such acts?

C.) As institutes of the Panth, our Jathas and SGPC are fast deteriorating. What can be done to either restore their pristine states or amputate them from the greater body politic?

D.) How can the supremacy of the Akal-Takhat be re-established? How can it be ensured that the institute is taken out of the hands of politicians and instead put in the hands of the Panth?

E.) Jathedari, as conceived by the SGPC and Deras, is greatly varied from what it was historically. Is this new current of leadership viable or should we revert to the historic model?

F.) Is Western democracy and secular administration conducive for the Khalsa Panth? If so then how to bring it in consort with Panthic political norms? If not, then is it high time that we ignore parliamentary procedures and form our own?

G.) How can Punjab, the Sikh homeland, be saved from it's present regressive state? How can the border issues; the assets issues and the waters issues be resolved satisfactorily? If not, then what policy is the Panth to adopt?

H.) How can Sikhs, globally, be brought under one single platform?

I.) How can impartial Sikh leaders be identified and/or trained for the future?

J.) How can Sikhi be spread globally?

What we had instead was this:

1.) A prisoner is our Jathedar whilst his proxy retains true power.

2.) Sampradaic thugs, with proven track records of treachery, are our Jathedars.

3.) A regurgitation of penalizing KPS Gill and Brar.

4.) Go home everyone, end of show.

14 minutes ago, TheeTurbanator said:

Which part do you want me to source?

If your talking about Randhir Singhs translation, its already in the link I shared, if you havent read it, then here it is again:  http://www.searchsikhism.com/islam-in-gurbani

As for Bhagat Kebeer, its so obvious that he is a Sikh when you take his bani into account. Even if he and other Bhagats were around before Guru Nanak was physical born, they can still be Sikhs of the Guru, the ONE Guru (there is only one Guru as per Gurbani). 

 

Shabad, shabad is the true Guru.

1 hour ago, Kira said:

The translations most sikhs are on a whole completely misleading. They're far too Western-centric as a result core principles are totally lost within them.

Yogi Harbhajan, in a bid to further his cult, had the self-proclaimed sophist Sant Singh translate Gurbani. Sant Singh, himself, admitted he was not up to the task but nonetheless continued under Yogi's guidance.

https://tisarpanthdotcom.wordpress.com/2017/10/29/a-matter-of-translation/

37 minutes ago, InderjitS said:

On the subject of Des Pardes and after the professional hit on Purewal due to his refusal to stop publishing weekly pictures of shaheeds and reporting on the atrocities, did the police brush it under the carpet? 

Care to elaborate further?

2 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

It's not just Indians who play these games, sometimes it's our own people and others, such as the British and Americans, who've been conditioned to believe these lies. They point to the United Nations hearing when Manmohan Singh was directly asked whether India had purposefully targeted Sikhs for elimination during the 80's and 90's, and his reply in the negative apparently settles all arguments, because "one of our own" categorically denied such a thing took place, therefore it must be true(!). 

When going toe to toe with such people for whom facts and truths can conveniently assume many forms dependent on the time of the day, lol, you've got to be prepared with as many direct and easily identifiable comparisons that they simply cannot refute. The Nazi and Jew collaboration angle is perhaps one of the most suitable, because of the West's continued obsession with Hitler and his regime. It's a language they understand, because it's the only one they speak. Same with the previously identified Obama example. "Did racism suddenly evaporate in the United States when the Obamas made the White House their home?" Too many are all too eager to defend that which should never be defended for their own vested interests. The facts are alien to such people. Ideology and politics are the only things that matter to these people.  The only weapon that's effective in such moments is the truth.

Speaking of which:

They also have some of Santa Singh Nihang bowing to Rajiv Gandhi- will try finding those as well. 

20 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

This is the kind of activism that works in this day and age. Now expect various Indian sympathisers - or paid agents - in the western press to inexplicably push a few anti-Sikh stories into the foreground to counter any potential good this work might do.

There's one line that's trotted out whenever there's a conversation of India's mistreatment of Sikhs, and it's, "If India was anti-Sikh, why was a Sikh elected as Prime Minister?" It's a completely reductive argument that conveniently bypasses countless instances in history where a few select ambitious individuals (who lack any wider sense of affinity for the plight of their brethren) from within a "troublesome" minority community are purposefully selected and elevated to key positions in the majority's administration in order to muddy the waters and give the impression to outsiders that there is no systemic discrimination. There were Jews in Germany who collaborated with the Nazis for business reasons and for their own selfish purposes, and that's arguably the most concise and striking example to offer someone who's peddling Indian propaganda about Manmohan Singh. This is before we even get into the argument of the turban not signifying religious adherence, as much as being white doesn't denote a devotion for Christianity.

 

For Indians to be pushing this line of reasoning is hypocritical. Pick up any text book on the so-called British Atrocities and you will see that at least several chapters are entitled to demeaning traitors who acquired prominence with the white man by betraying the black.  

La Noche Triste

4 hours ago, S4NGH said:

Haha ? spot on. Reminded me of my nana. He went to a rally which indira attended. The kisaans complained about the mandi prices of chillies amongst other thing. indira reportedly said "if red chillies sell for more, grow red chillies only". The crowd wet themselves laughing at her foolishness. Of course green chillies ripen and then become red; there is no 'red chilli' seed. Nana returned home early commenting "ਸ਼ੋਕਰੀਜਾਵੀ ਨੂ ਪੋਰਾ ਅਕਲ ਨੀ".

http://5abspectrum.com/?p=2097

Ala Singh's kutti baans.

19 hours ago, sikhni777 said:

Especially at the moment that they are being seduced by some random girl... 

Blame the victim, never the bomb.

14 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

If we used the same tactics of mocking them by using their religious terminology and ways, they'd throw one of their infamous hissy fits. 

And a bomb at some random train, car, plane, other mode of public transport.

15 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

If you aren't trolling. Not placing bets on that. 

That is like a sick man feeling unworthy of medicine. Do your paath. 

Explain to the poor girl what happened and set proper boundaries. 

Vaheguru saw that coming a mile away so there's no hiding. Redouble your commitment and learn and grow. 

Mate, I don't know where you acquired that from but we can all smell a troll from far away. The OP's post is similar to other conversion trash which permeates this forum every now and then.

1 minute ago, sikhni777 said:

He stopped halfway. ...

Probably some defect in the alternator.