RebelSingh

Great post my friend. Hari Singh Nalwa was truly the difference, he did something that even the Americans are struggling to do and that is to beat the Afghans in their own backyard. It's a pity our Kingdom didn't last long enough. But we were equally if not more to blame for that than the Hindus.

yea tru, if only maharaja ranjit singh had listened 2 akali phula singh n his other khalsa associates, who warned him bowt these treachorous dogras. These r the same dogra/rajputs who in previous years fought side by side with mughals against Guru Gobind Singh, under the name of "pahari raje"/Hindu hill rajas

wudnt b suprised if they r associates of that fake kutha nihang, ajit phula

Didn't know this about Dara Singh. Guilty as charged.

yea lol, thats y in the first page, i sed "LEGEND! Cudda done more for our community, but o well wen they get rich/famous they ALL forget where they came from.", coz he made panjabis/sikhs kinda famous abroad in the wrestling scene, but after becoming famous in the world, and within india, by gettin movie roles, he didnt rep sikhs much, infact hung around with arya samaj ppl (i think), had red tilaks on his mattha everytime, u fink he kinda sold out. the picture provided by "ghatak" kinda says it all. Altho he did make a fantastic movie, "sava lakh se ik Ladaun", in which he truely repped it for sikhi. He wanted 2 call the movie "Raj Karega Khalsa", but indian govt didnt allow, wonder y?

Paneer Monster is an expert regarding radhaswamis i believe, where r u @ mundiya?

I need someone to confirm whether Satwant Singh and Beant Singh who assassinated Indira Gandhi were from lower caste. As well as Bhai Jaita Singh who picked up Guru Tegh Bahadur Singh's severed head and brought it to Guru Gobind Singh Ji and later gave up his life for Guru Ji was from lower caste. Along with 4 of the 5 pyare's were from lower castes. I dont even know how one caste could claim that a certain religion only belongs to them. Its absurd. No wonder we won't see Khalsa Raj during our lifetimes. It will probably be someone from a Western country who would get influenced by Sikh religion and then later on try to establish Khalsa once again.

beant n satwant were indeed from "lower" tribe. bhai jaita was of a mazhabi tribe, i believe also akali phula singh was from "lower" tribe, altho ive heard ppl say otherwise, dunno, dont care, hes a singh @ the end of theday.

btw wat is regarded as lower caste? Coz Jatts r also a lower tribe, in brahmin circle, accordin to them, brahmins r top, then khatris, then every1 else is shudra n below. i find it laughable how jatts have made em selves bigger than every1 else, jus coz they became the majority number wise and land owners coz of banda bahadur, misls n maharja ranjit singh. before this, they were being bullied n kicked out of mandir n masjids by "higher" castes/tribes. it was sikhi that gave em equal status, thats y they converted en masse, along with other shudra castes.

apparantly only 8,000!!! brahmins converted 2 sikhi during these 1700's-1900s period, according 2 british records. This was coz brahmins, by leaving hindu faith, didnt wanna give up their higher caste status, by joining sikhi n therefore become on the same status level as jatts, saini, chamar, naiy, julaha, khatri, rajputs, choora etc. They rather get raped into islam, than become part of a warrior dharam n have langar/pangat with sangat.

also btw im not anti-jatt b4 any1 says, coz jatts have done more for the protection of sikhi, in terms of providing warriors, soldiers etc. I dont get peed off wen i listen 2 bhangra songs n dey mention jatt, coz most sikhs/panjabis r jatt, so its natural their names r mentioned. But it is funny how jatts have been accused/have been bullyin/mockin ppl of other tribes, coz dey fink others r inferior 2 em, wen few centuries b4, they got the same treatment @ the hands of khatris/brahmins. AS sikhs, guys, lets jus loww all this caste./tribe tatti, n jus say we r sikhs, n ready 2 defend n die 4 1 anotha.

Now coz of this macho-type superior presentation jatts give out, now u c chamars, shuttin down the entire doaba, 2 sing "putt chamaran de". wens this all gona halt? each n every tribe has given special ppl towards the panth. Jassa Singh ramgharia, maharaja ranjit singh, hari singh nalwa, Jassa singh ahluwalia, Banda Singh Bahadur, bacchitar singh etc, all from diffrnt tribes.

rant over sorry "das guruka" i kno i went off on a tangent, but it jus came out, n i typed it.

Hkaur16 ji you have heard right. Dara singh was no friend of Sikhs that is why his cousin Varindra was killed in 1988.

i think ur confusing dara siaaaaa with dharmendra. veerindra was his cousin, not randhawas!

when the muslin goes to hajj he sees men of different colours, backgrounds, statures and trades but they all pray as one.

LOOOOOL u taking the mick mate? I have heard straight from muslim mouths telling me, how the saudis/arabs HATE pakistanis/indians/Bangalis muslims, especially during hajj. Recently at a wedding i met an arab from dubai, n he told me sub continent muslims r known by a 2 lettered comment, "CC" = Conquered & Converted (reference 2 mughals/turks invaders)! During Hajj,the saudi trains have "arabs only" written on them. Oh not to forget how women get touched up there (even heard this re-itterated on nihals bbc show last week). Also whilst we r on the subject, how the failed Prophet, mohammed, used 2 apparantly have black slaves, so they have prejudices too mate, not sayin that makes it right for us 2 have these dumb divisions, but muslims r no angels during hajj.

LEGEND! Cudda done more for our community, but o well wen they get rich/famous they ALL forget where they came from.

this hindu also mentions the role of the hindu marathas in combating the mughals and afghans...did we save all hindus of bharat?..or just those in the north?...

kidda Hayes walia, yea man marathas were quite militant in the south, but sikhs did save brahmin backsides up north

Balle balle

hey guys any1 whos suffereing from some sort of mental health/anxiety, theres a sikh doctor, Gulbag singh, whos coming on nihalsbbc asian network show now.

sky channel 0119

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01kdtjt

i will pm u a short video...lets not talk about that matter on this thread its been done hundred times before and leads to nothing but users insulting other users, i did that once and later felt sad as those users are some good singhs

bro PM the video too, cheers.

Rebel you sound like a guy I used to know. But he came from East London. He was a real funny guy, the kind of person that you'd imagine starring in a GTA game.

Haha ok, speakin of rougher areas, EAST london wins, hands down!!

@RebelSingh

I think siding with China would be a mistake. The Chinese are extremely racist against anyone who isn't Han Chinese. They would easily throw the Sikhs under a bus once they got what they really wanted.

tbh bro, b4 ladli-fauj has come on here with the future-plan, in my reckoning, china HATES india, n vice versa. So my thinkin was, if china provided assistance 2 sikhs in panjab, 2 break away from india, it wud b like killin 2 birds with 1 stone. kinda like india is supportin balochis in pakistan with weapons/aid/money.

lol expected you to be a fellow Bham boy don, nice to see a fellow sengh who knows the lingo u get me?

yea back at u bro, ive been cussed on here so many times by ppl sayin, that judgin by my text/language, i struggle with the english language??? Errm no, its called slang, also i dont come from a posh middle class families like most of the pappus in r community, some of us r from rougher areas n working class.

lol "safe" which ends you from g, you speak some sik slang

bedfordshire my old fridge freezer.

i think soon too me theres they will go to war one day we will wake and see they have...with all the other things that are supposed to happen along this time of war theres no doubt that it will happen in our lifetime...yes the atari border, two great mahapurkhs of taksal have also did bachan that when the fauj comes they will come from the atari border

regarding time interestngly i saw this list on a post in the gupt section along time ago lol dont know accuracy of it but look what it has to say, i forgot poster who put it up

*-Indian Sub Continent-2011-2030.

1)This 7-9% economic growth rate will continue till 2011. After that there will be a

reduction or slowdown.

2)In 2013-14 India will be attacked by the combined forces of China, Russia and

Pakistan/Taliban. A Maharishi (sage) will come down from the Himalayas and will guide

the Indian Army during the war. This Maharishi at present resides in Gyangang. He was once a popular political figure during 1980's. India will surely become famous after the war.

3)People will become spiritual minded and will stop aping western culture by 2014.

4)A Great Political Party will be eliminated completely after the war and will never

rise again. It will never come into existence again.

5)2015-2030 will be the time of great natural disasters in India. Millions will die in

natural disaster and population in India will be reduced.

6)Kashmir dispute will be solved by 2014, that too in favor of India.

7)Indian Textile (IT) will be a bigger industry compared to Information Technology

(IT).

* foretold by a Himalayan Rikhi

woah that gyangan maharishi is bhindrawale i presume. Also regarding this, u say shaheedi fauj will be there, dont tell me that sikhs will have 2 save india, AGAIN, n the hindus/india will get all the praise for it, or will sikhs finaly make a stamp? Coz i duno if i understand this fully, but if the nishan sahib will be in delhi again, then will the "Great political party" that will be finished, is that the congress? also wat will become of pakistan in ur opinion? will this mean we get a chance 2 claim west panjab again?

cheers btw, ur contribution, is much appreciated, and sorry if i sound dumb, coz i never really looked into this stuff before.

safe

One thing I wouldn't be able to stand is the heat! That's why I always visit in February!

LOL i always target november- december

mangal prakash is from sau saakhi---i believe (well i will not put my full real beliefs on here in open) but that china and combined forces will attack india....some singhs will come from the atari border as it says in mangal prakash

ਤਬੀ ਸਿੰਘ ਫੌਜ ਚੜ੍ਹੇ,ਅਟਾਰੀ ਮੇਂ ਆਨ ॥

then the singh fauj will come from atari

the fauj iv heard will be arshi and shaheedi fauj so shaheedi fauj along with singhs here and that the combined forces will try to attack punjab and the sikhs will defend, india will fall, what happens to china is another mystry i have some beliefs but with those im not 100 percent sure and that china and russia will be pushed back by a forcre and then the singhs will go to delhi and the leader of the singh fauj will put nishan sahib on laal kila and we will have khalsa raj

thanks bro, is atari the wagah/amritsar border right?

and lol rebelsingh just asking how old are you cuzz u want to go to india when ur 50 + lol i think this will all happen sooner than we think and in our lifetimes, by then it might we too late or hard or circumstances might not premit, i would go to india when china first starts attacking

lol bro im mid 20's, u seriously rekon this cud happen soon? wat time u finkin?

Would you actually live there as well? Would you be prepared to leave the comforts of the UK for Punjab.

Would about the thousands that will die? Yugoslavia's partition was very brutal.

agreed the yugoslav partition was jus disgusting, but mr shamshere we come from the most violent part of the world, its kinda like a cycle i reckon, that genocides or deaths in large number seem 2 re-occur again. I think if we want independance, blood will have 2 be spilt, again, coz we have had our genocide from 1978-1995, where 250,000 sikhs have been killed, their Qurbanis, cannot b wasted.

Tbh regarding living there straight away, i dont kno, i havnt really thought about that, but ive always considered that regardless of whether we get independance or not, i will move 2 panjab wen im like 50+yrs old. Im sick of livin in this joke of a country.

ਤਬੀ ਰੂਸ, ਚੀਨ ਹਿੰਦ ਮੇਂ ਚੜ੍ਹ ਆਵੈ ॥

and then Russia and China will come forth on india (Tabi Roos Chin Hind Mei Chard Aaway)

Guru Gobind SIngh Ji-Mangal Parkash

@ladli-fauj, thanks for that, ive seen this, i believe its in dasam granth right? In ur opinion will this event be a welcome for those who want independance n khalsa raj, or will this be that sikhs will have 2 play the heroes on india's behalf again? Coz chinas meddling will suit sikhs, but again ive heard that the 96crores will come 2 fruition or am i mixing times n events up?

cheers

There's so many Sikhs in the army so I doubt there will be any support for China. Whether or not Khalistan happens, which it probably won't, we must never be allies with Pakistan. Never! We can never trust them.

Unlike Sikhs in the UK and Canada the vast majority of Sikhs in India don't want Khalistan because they want peace.

For Khalistan to be formed there will need to be some kind of war, are you going to go there and fight and put your neck on the line, or are you going to stay in your safe haven thousands of miles away in the UK?

well done for coming up with the classic chestnut line. If a sikh knows nothing bowt the whole khalistan issue, hes considered a coconut, if a sikh wud rather b with india, then hes considered a sellout (which they are) and if sikhs shout for khalistan, they get taunted with "r u gonna go there n fight", u jus cant win. Well my answer 2 ur question is, yes! im not married, grew up in a rough area, so i would like 2 think so.

also u say khalistan wont happen, well who thought during the 1980's, mazboot yugoslavia wud break up? considering the combined states within it had 4th strongest army in the world. 10 years later, slovenia, croatia, bosnia n serbia etc broke into their respective ethnic nations. Who would of thought the powerful, shot callin, soviet union would break up? who would of thought that 20-30 yrs after the sikhs had the big holocaust in 1800's @ the hands of the afghans, that we wud wrestle panjab off them and establish sikhs as rulers of lahore? Too many lives have been lost in the 70s/80s/90s and too much lahoo/blood has been spilt to turn back now. 500,000 Sarbat khalsa in 1986 anounced that its khalistan thats been declared as the aim of our kaum at akal takht for the future.

If they did go to war, what side would the Sikhs take?

if sikhs had any brains they wud take chinas side. thats y pakistan to stay on the safe side, let china take eastern parts of kashmir (Aksai Chin), coz if they take panga with china, pakistan wud get eaten alive, any1 wud, jus look @ the americans in the korean war. If Khalistan is ever 2 b made, sikhs must ally with china n pakistan, and then u have Khalistan/pakistan/china bullying india into submission. thats my opinion anyway, n i suppose im not the only one.

thats wat i wud like 2 know aswell, it was a GREAT GREAT show. one of the singhs in the 1st 10 mins summed up the essence of anand karaj n why a non-sikh by taking part in 1, wud make a mockery of it. By the way @Singh559 did u watch it?

Oh, so all of the old east Punjab was promised to us? Where's the evidence?

http://www.panthkhal...aj/raj_1947.php

read it. theres probably other sources, but i cant b asked 2 find em, ive discused this 2 the limit so many times, its boring now to be honest. like i said before rather than carrying on with this thead, u shud jus search for older threads on khalistan n re-start them threads, oh n read through em 2. if u did, u wudda found the link ive given.

safe