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Nishan Sahib was white up until Sri Guru Hargobind ji Maharaaj who changed it to Basanti!! Not kesri.

Im not sure how the blues came about...maybe 7th Patshah brought about the Blue which was then changed to Basanti by 10th Patshah.

I know during Maharaja Ranjit Singhs time, Nishan Sahibs were changed to kesri. But they were changed back to Basanti during his reign.

Sooo Nishaan Sahibs should as they were, BASANTI. Not bahman rangi kesar yh.

Waheguru ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji Ki Fateh.

Penji moral of the story? Dont lie. But that guy wow whata little <banned word filter activated> bag! I dont think you had any need to tell him of your mistakes to be honest. If you regretted the mistakes you made in the past, then they were between you and Guru Sahib. Future reference- keep your mistakes to yourself.

As for him doing all that clubbing kanjar relationships and then having the audacity to tell people! My gosh! Feel pretty gutted for you. Trusting someone and then for them to break your trust...penji cleeeaarly that guy was not right for you. I wud be doing shukrana if i was you. Everythng has a reason.

As for your family and relatives etc...im sure they dont all know...and who cares? Live your life. Atleast now you've learnt your lesson yeh? Dont make silly mistakes and if you do, dont broadcast it. Simple

Baki ardas karo, pulla di muafi mango, naam japo te sikhi jeevan jiyo

Pul chuk muaf ji,

Waheguru ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji Ki Fateh!

Wow s-h-i-t is a banned word?!

I'm not sure how much of an awkward question this is for you, but I hate this question. Whenever I see relatives or close family friends who I haven't seen in quite some time (years), most of them ask in kind of a cheeky/random manner in the middle of a very normal discussion "achaaa fir tu paath vi karda hunda" *big smile on their face* and I'm like, is this a trick question?

I feel like if I say yes, i will sound like I'm giving off the false impression that I do a lot of path and if I say no I feel like that would be lying. I usually end up saying hanjee thorda jeha karlaida lol.

What are your responses when someone asks you such a question? I ask because a lot of punjabi people tend to judge a person based on how you carry yourself, i've been more and more aware of my surroundings and micro-expressions so I was wondering what sangat thought about this subject?

haha hi5* i thought i was alone! well awkward. i try laughing it off which usually works (lol) or just say yeah a little/sometimes.

Any response you give will never be enough. punjabis are just pros at finding faults in people. no winning

at the end of the day, you alone know how much you do and what it means to you.

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you need a cream containing benzoyl peroxide (spelt something like that) over the counter from you pharmacy. careful not to get it on clothing tho...colour fades lotsss

stupid india for hanging ajmal kasab days before they knew 1000's of sikhs were travelling to pakistan.

Happy Deepavali (Divali) to all Hindus and all those defined as Hindu under article 25 of the Indian constitution

"Just worth to mention over here, the movie Sadda Haq showing atrocities on Sikhs has been banned by Indian Censor board."

are you referring to the film "rockstar " with ranbir kapoor? and this has been banned by indian censor board?? wow

Very relevant as we all celebrate the Hindu festival of Divali today with candles, lamps and fireworks...

Jab Lag Khalsa Rahe Niara, Tab Lag Tej Dioon Mein Sara.

Jab Eh Gaye Bipran Ki Reet, Mein Na Karoon In Ki Parteet.

(I) DIVALI AND GURBANI. The most commonly sung and quoted Gurbani verses relating to

Divali are derived from Bhai Gurdas ji’s // 19 Pauree 6. Sikh ragees sing this pauree and explain it as

evidence that Divali and the lighting of lamps is to be celebrated as an authentic Sikh practice. For a

full understanding, the entire pauree is quoted below. An explanation of the pauree follows.

Divali Dee Rat Deevay Baleean. Tarey Jaat Snaat Ambar Bhaleean.

Fullan Dee Bagaat, Chun Chun Chaleean. Teerath Jatee Jaat Nain Nihalean

Har Chandauree Jhaat Vasae Uchaleean. Gurmukh Sukh Fal Dat Shabad Smaleean.

Keen readers of Gurbanee know that the main message of a shabad is encapsulated in the

Rahao line. This is the generic rule of the five thousand plus shabads that are written by the Guru

Sahibs and Bhagat Sahibs in the Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaaj (GGS). The writings of Bhai Gurdas Ji do not

follow such a practice. Bhai ji does not use Rahao in any of his 912 paurees (in 40 vaars), 672 Kabits and

3 swayeas. In all his writings, his main message is always contained in the final verse of the pauree,

kabit or swayea. The first five lines of every pauree are illustrations / explanations for the real message

which is provided in the final / concluding line.

A translation of the above pauree is as follows:

The lamps of the night of Divali eventually burn out.

The stars of the night sky stop sparkling when dawn comes.

The beauty of the orchard disappears as the flowers are picked.

The gaiety of the place of pilgrimage dies when the crowds leave.

Life- even as bestowed by God- is temporary; settled and then destructed.

Yet, the Gurmukh is blessed with the fruit of permanent joy through his Immersion in the Shabad.

The meaning of this pauree is therefore as follows:

A Gurmukh seeks bliss from the Shabad. The joy that comes from the Shabad is not as temporary as

the lamps that burn on Divali night, the star-lit night skies, and the beautiful sights of the blooming

orchard, the joyous atmosphere of the places of pilgrimages or of human life itself.

Guru Arjan Dev Ji Maharaaj bestowed the title of Gurbanee dee Kunjee (the key to

understanding Gurbanee) to Bhai Ji’s writings. In other words, understanding Bhai Gurdas provides

one the key to unlock the treasures of the GGS. Guru Arjan Sahib recognized him as an interpreter

par excellence of Gurbanee. As is the case with all of Bhai Ji’s writings, he is extolling the Sikh to link

spiritually with the Shabad – by which he means the GGS and all the messages that are contained

therein. This pauree is written to give inspiration to the Sikh to connect with the Shabad by virtue of

the permanence of the joy that comes as a result.

Now, to use the first line of this pauree – Divalee Dee Raat Divey Baleean – as Gurbanee justification for

Sikhs to light lamps (or otherwise celebrate) the Divali night is ignorance – feigned or genuine. If

that is the case then gazing the stars (the second illustration of temporariness in line two) can also

be argued to be a call by Bhai Gurdas Ji for Sikhs to worship the planets. On the same account, then

planting orchards and going for teerath yatra or pilgrimages (as mentioned in lines 3 and 4) is also

recommended Sikh spiritual practice. Each of the four events in each of the four lines are examples /

illustrations used by Bhai Ji to make a concluding point regarding a particular characteristic

(permanence of the joy) of the Shabad. This characteristic of the Shabad is contrasted with

characteristics of the four events. Surely then, it would be highly disingenuous to suggest that the

events being contrasted are acceptable as Sikh practice...including the lighting of lamps.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

We protest against bipran ki reet when we criticise Sikhs who celebrate karva chauth, rakhree/raksha bandan etc because Guru Gobind Singh ji Maharaaj says 'Jab Lag Khalsa Rahe Niara, Tab Lag Tej Dioon Mein Sara. Jab Eh Gaye Birpran Ki Reet, Mein Na Karoon In Ki Parteet.'

Under article 25 of the Indian constitution, Hindus include Sikhs, Buddhists and Jains. Are you celebrating Deepavali (divali) today? Do you prefer the blessings of goddess Lakshmi over Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaaj's Parteet.. Yeah yeah you didn't mean divali when you said happy divali, you meant happy bandi cchor divas. Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaaj was the first Guru to secure release of prisoners from Babar's prison. How come we don't celebrate that day?

If we want to break free from the shackles of article 25 of the Indian constitution and the constitution in general, we must start by celebrating Bandi Cchor Divas on another day in line with Gurmat? After all we have different dates for Gurpurabs depending on which calendar we follow.

SGPC could declare another date to pray for the release of all prisoners still languishing in jails around the world.

I realise ive jumped from one point to another and I appologise if ive offended anyone. I'm not saying don't celebrate Bandi Cchor Divas, just saying we need to know what we're celebrating and when. How does Bandi Cchor Divas coincide with Divali? Guru Hargobind Ji Maharaaj was released on Divali day and made it to Amritsar on the same Divali day from Gwalior, south of Agra which today would take one 8hours in a train, in those days 5days atleast on horseback? thats assuming Maharaaj did not stop on way to meet Sangatah who would of course have been greeting and congratulating. So how exactly does Divali and Bandi Cchor Divas coincide?

Is this an accurate depiction of Sikh history and an accurate interpretation of Sikh sentiment? Or are some Sikhs so eager to celebrate Divali, and so fervent to want to link Divali to Sikh practice and tradition that they simply had to find or create an incident that is suggested to have happened on or close to Divali day, and use that as a pretext to celebrate?

and why do we not celebrate the Bandi Cchor Divas of Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaaj from Babars prison along with the innocent prisoners mostly women and children?! or does that not matter since there was no divali or raksha bandan or karva chauth then?! Why aren’t Sikhs

extolled to celebrate Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaaj’s Bandi Cchor Divas? Why is there no Deep Maala to commemorate this day? Because it does not coincide with Divali? Or it did not happen close enough to Divali day? Or there was no Harmandar Sahib to be lit up with lamps then? Or simply because this Bandi Cchor provides no pretext for celebrating Divali?

We light candles and deevay and fireworks polluting our atmosphere...WHY? is a celebration not complete without them? if this is not Bipran Ki Reet, i dont know what is.

I appologise again if ive offended anyone. and if im wrong in what i say, I guess Maharaaj will be the judge of that. but my intention is not to offend anyone.

Pul Chuk Muaf Ji.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

He has had quite an influence in Canada. I recently attended a wedding, staying with family and the amount of bakwaas i heard...shocking. Regarding naam simran: how japping Waheguru alone is not simran. Sri Dasam Granth Sahib has recently been created and that Sikhs who do believe in its authenticity, are associated with some rss hindutva group. Asking Maharaaj for naam or anything for that matter, is manmat.

He does Katha at Bangla Sahib Delhi which is aired in Canada.

this is a silly question. Guru Nanak gurdwara Smethwick have clearly endorsed the fact that the centre will be available to the whole community however there is a strict VEGETARIAN diet restriction. Apart from this, alcohol is bot even allowed in site.

Your answer can also be found on local media sites who have advertised the extension

Thats all im asking. Not a silly question. Thanks for answering it.

Admin- so sorry, this seems to have been posted like 6times. My bad

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh ji

Does the Gurdwaras new multi purpose hall allow meat sharab etc?

I know this hall is booked for a post wedding party with meat and sharab. Whether it has been made clear that both are not allowed in the Gurdwara annexe (which i believe is directly connected? And there is a new langar and diwan hall too), i dont know. But this is the intention. Could someone please shed some light on this. If meat sharab is allowed, is the hall connected to the Gurdwara? Are the premises owned by the Gurdwara?

If meat sharab is not allowed, i can advise against this venue and potentially prevent this from happening. Unfortunately the family will not go without meat or sharab- nothing i can do about this.

Pul chuk maaf ji. I may be wrong in bringing his up but my intentions are saaf. I apologise in advance.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh ji

Does the Gurdwaras new multi purpose hall allow meat sharab etc?

I know this hall is booked for a post wedding party with meat and sharab. Whether it has been made clear that both are not allowed in the Gurdwara annexe (which i believe is directly connected? And there is a new langar and diwan hall too), i dont know. But this is the intention. Could someone please shed some light on this. If meat sharab is allowed, is the hall connected to the Gurdwara? Are the premises owned by the Gurdwara?

If meat sharab is not allowed, i can advise against this venue and potentially prevent this from happening. Unfortunately the family will not go without meat or sharab- nothing i can do about this.

Pul chuk maaf ji. I may be wrong in bringing his up but my intentions are saaf. I apologise in advance.

Sikhi is nowhere to be seen in Huddersfield, its sad to say but its the reality of it. All at the hands of our elders and leaders.

A couple years back a Kesadhari committee member petitioned to the local gov regarding the ban on tobacco displays. This was all over the local papers with his mugshot. So from an outsiders perspective, not only do Sikhs drink and hold beer festivals at their temples but they hold strong views for smoking too.

Each year, 2 Nagar Kirtans are held making a stop off at the Mandir were arti pooja and singing and clapping is performed infront of/to Maharaaj by the mandirs members. The mandir is on a small road (zetland road) with bars and clubs on either side and a 'chunky chicken' eat out and a 'Shisha' smoking place opposite. If going to the mandir is not bad enough, we take Maharaaj onto such roads. Our sangta rush into the mandir leaving Maharaaj behind. I do not go in so can not say what goes on. But since the mandir is just a 5min stop from the Gurdwara, i can not imagine they all go in to use the toilet facilities in the small house sized semi detached mandir.

The local Pandit of the mandir is called by so called sikh to perform whatever he does. I personally know of a family who called on the pandit after their daughter say a headless man. The pandit suggested that there was nothing to worry about since toof bati was performed in the room. As much as this makes me 'LOL', these sort of bakwaas pakand are in no short supply in hudds.

Milk donated to Gurdwara Sahib for langar is siphoned to sell on as paneer. The fridges containing this milk which the Sangat can very well make use of, are locked with padlocks. On a number of occasions rows arguements etc have taken place in the langar hall over this issue.

Lastly, Toona (blackmagic).

Bleach in a bottle of vinegar in the langar kitchen.

Nails (tacks/screws) in large amounts in the atta.

Nails (tacks/screws) in prashaad which someone had made and left in Darbar Sahib as chadava before Maharaaj.

Taveets (lockets with ash/notes encased) found in Gurdwara.

All this has been caught on camera and the guilty have been informed. Yes, that is all.

These matters had to be brought to the Sangats attention. Forgive me if i have offended anyone, upset anyone. If i have been untruthful about any of the above, may Maharaaj give me the worst sajja there is.

Pul chuk maaf ji

Good job! The guy sent love letters to a jewish man!! Eeeuuu! :D lol

Who are you or we to say their religious acts/festival is barbaric or wrong?

2ndly, Guru Maharaj disallowed bibian wearin hijabs from having Guru Ka Langar? Do you even know what a hijab is?? A mere head scarf covering the head.

3rdly, how about we sweep under our own bed first?? The number of "sikh" who justify eating meat etc monay, alcoholics BOTH monay ad Kesadhari, drugs... How about we take a look at them? Instead of attempting to interfere with external affairs.

A Sikh should embrace their Muslim brothers and sisters and congratulate them on their festivities. If you have an issue with any ot their internal matters, simply DO NOT TAKE PART IN THEIR FESTIVITIES. Its their business. And until we dont take care of our own business, we are no one to point fingers and far from dishing out advice.

Some of your points are totally out of order veerji.

Pul chuk maaf ji.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh ji,

Veerji, to answer on the pics, no these are not true representations. They are plain simply idols. An artist comes up with an impression of what he thinks someone looks like and we pass it off as the real mccoy, even though we know there were no cameras etc producing photos which the artists could then replicate. Ive seen people bowing to these pictures, doing toof bati to them, flower garlands etc etc- exact opposite of Gurmat. So unless these images have Ik Onkar or Khanday on them, which they usually do, i would tear these out and dispose of the images in whatever way- recycle! The Ik Onkar and bani: there is Agan Bhet or Jal Parvah (?). Maybe someone more knowledgable can help here.

Pul chuk maaf ji, forgive me if i offend anyone, if im wrong.

Waheguruuu!! Beautifully said, well done! We need more 'backboned' Singhs like Dr Indarjit Singh

What also is worrying is the disgusting language being used by the original poster to describe our Muslim brothers. It shows only ignorance and nothing else.

I agree.