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veerji how old are you?

i would advise you to go find your sangat. travel. take time out, one way ticket to amritsar, stay there and take it all in, come back when your ready.

its just a phase veera, it'l be over in a jiffy

have hope and know your Guru is with you.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh jii

WJKK, WJKF

We are all aware of the terrible tradgedy that happened last week in the Oak Creek, Wisconsin Gurdwara. However, as terrible as that was, I know that I am not alone when I say that I know some good can come out of it. Yesterday, we saw our first potential positive.

The NYPD has long had a turban ban on its members, discouraging many Sikhs from joining the police force. Yesterday though, Sikh advocacy groups met with the Chief Financial Officer of NYC, Comptroller John C. Liu. He wrote a letter to the Mayor of NYC, Mr. Bloomberg, urging him to overturn the current ban. You can read the whole letter here

http://unitedsikhs.o...tterToMayor.pdf

In light of this, I have created a petition to gather support for this letter.

https://www.change.o...eard-and-turban

On this board we have talked a lot about making a difference. Now is the time, where we can step up and make that happen. Because in the end, we make the difference. Not some guy they bring onto CNN or BBC.

Also, it would really really help, if after signing the petition, you would send an email to the following Sikh advocacy groups, asking them to support the petition and send it out to their email list. Because even if they just get 100 emails saying the same thing, I am sure it would really encourage them to support it.

Sikh Coalition - http://sikhcoalition...t-us/contact-us

SALDEF - http://org2.democrac...Up.jsp?key=2045

United Sikhs - unitedsikhs-usa@unitedsikhs.org

I have even prepared a sample, all you have to do is copy and paste this into the subject field.

Hello,

In light of Comptroller Liu's recent letter to Mayor Bloomberg urging him to overturn the current beard and turban ban in the NYPD, I urge you to look at this petition supporting the letter, and send it out to your mailing list. It would greatly help in the cause.

https://www.change.o...eard-and-turban

Sincerely,

(Your Name)

The NYPD is one of the largest police forces in America, and here we have the oppurturnity to change the face of Sikhs all across North America. Please Brothers and Sisters, step up, and make a difference. It only takes 5 minutes, and it is the least we can do to honor the memory of those killed in Wisconsin

Veerji could i have your contact details please so UNITED SIKHS can contact you directly if need be regarding the petition. Thanks

The above petition email is going into UNITED SIKHS mail list circulation now

75 views. not a single reply. wow guys. big pat on the pack.

the auction has ended. The Pothi Sahibs have been sold. probably in the post in a jiffy bag somewhere being thrown about.

It's these quick responses that have gotten us where we are today.

I guess everyone who has wanted to sign and email has done so, so this will be my final bump

Veerji just seen this post. I have sent the petition to my contacts hoping they will send it on to their mailing lists. I am actively involved with UNITED SIKHS so have contacted them too. Hope to get the ball rolling asap.

Thank You

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH JI

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261081050569?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

ONE 1850'S POTHI CONTAINING 'Japji Sahib, Anand Sahib, Sodar Rehras, Sukhmani Sahib, etc' FOR SALE ON EBAY. POSTAGE WORLDWIDE.

reserve of $1000.

I know these are genuine as will any other ebayer. his feedback is 100% positive with 154 sales to date.

I have the name and number of the singh auctioning these. he has offered to post these to me from canada to the uk i.e. jiffy bag etc need i say more.

ANYBODY in Canada, Calgary able to pay a visit/purchase these just to ensure they are in safe hands and stop the auction???

PLEASE CONTACT ME FOR CONTACT INFO. do not want to post his personal details in the open...although i dont see why not since his acts are so distasteful.

can we pool together funds to purchase at $1000? i do not have these funds otherwise i would've myself and had a contact in calgary collect in person.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh ji,

I've been attending weddings since ever basically lol typical. But its soon to be my own.

So basically someone in the family found/recomended a girl for me to my parents and things got rolling from there.

I plan to take Amrit in the near future. I want to get into keeping rehit before i take Amrit so i know i can commit to keeping rehit instead of taking Amrit and then seeing if i can keep it or not. The proposed girl for me is not kesdhari at the moment. I'm hoping here journey will lead her onto this path soon.

Now both families are typically punjabi. Hardcore partiers etc.

1) I just want the Anand Karaj to take place, Guru ka Langar and we all go home. I realize this is a dream world fantasy of mine. Does anyone think this could be possible? I dont listen to music, i dont dance drink or eat forbidden food- i dont want all this to take over my own wedding. So can there be a compromise as im pretty sure both families will never agree to a total no party policy. Hows no meat no alcohol and i will not be dancing like a lunitic? Just food, deafening music and people dancing...

And when should i make all this clear to the girls family? I think this could potentially be a deal breaker.

2) Is the Kurmai and Chunni ceremony Gurmat? I've seen how the groom is given dried fruits nuts etc in his palla/parna thing and then fed a shuwara/dried date. I don't understand what this represents so am questioning whether this is Gurmat at all. I've seen this take place in the Darbar Sahib. What is this all about? And can I take part in all this?

3) The maiya/mehndi which takes place on the days leading to the wedding. Haldi doh stuff is applied to the groom/bride-to-be. I really dont fancy that. Too intimate and spray on fake tan would do the same job!

Pretty sure this is not Gurmat.

4) Groom & Kalgi- this is a no no right? How come this happens all too often? Why is nothing said/explained to sangat before/during the Anand Karaj? And the groom holds a sword- any reason?

5) Can this all work out between me, a kesdhari hoping to soon take Amrit, and a non kesdhari girl?

Pul chuk maaf ji.

We haven't succeeded or failed, it's simply an ongoing process.

http://www.cnn.com/v...inder-singh.cnn

Check this out ^^

So so beautifully put. Waheguru!!

How about we just let the bibian raise this issue? By all books, there are no restrictions. If bibian really want a particular sewa then they have to work for it and earn it. Also, such issues need to be raised by those who live locally rather than someone from other country (huge cultural differences).

Without any offense to all my brothers and sisters.. It is a shocking reality that our sisters in Punjab are not active anywhere in any field. How many kaur activist we see today (both here and there) ?

Take a look at this forum, how many bibian we see discussing any social or political issue at hand? Either it is all singhs fault for not providing platform or either bibian taking their freedom granted.

Bibian and Banday can do any job in our sikhi society however preferences can be given to certain gender in various fields.

about 9ish years back i know of jatha of bibiyan (who i wont name as im pretty sure they wont approve) got together and protested at Sri Akal Takht Sahib. They were beaten with danday by the SGPC force or whatever they call themselves. I know one bibi personally who left with broken ribs.

This is what the Sikhs think of the EDL:

http://www.google.co...Wri4DQDA&zoom=1

EDL protesters abuse elderly Sikh man in Dudley.

Continuing our theme of photo’s of English Defence League (EDL) thugs abusing and intimidating England’s ethnic minority communities that started here….

EDL abuse Sikh man in Dudley, photo from the Birmingham Post.

This photo appeared in the Birmingham Post on May the 4th 2010, accompanying a story entitled ‘English Defence League rooftop demo in Dudley ended by police’.

They even parades on EDL rallies, like a trophy, the odd isolated Hindu or Sikh religious extremist pursuing the agendas of the Indian far right, in their anti-Muslim ‘united front’. However, it has always been clear from the start that the majority of their followers on the street are young white men, many of whom are only to happy to tell you hate they ‘hate all P*kies’, and often all black and Asian minorities in general. The very first protest held by this movement in Luton ended with groups of EDL supporters attacking random asian people and their businesses. The EDL could unleash a pogrom not only against the English Muslim communities (terrible as that would be in itself), but against all of the English black and ethnic minorities in general. Given the percentage of EDL followers who are ignorant racist and drunk, most would find it hard to tell a Muslim from a Sikh anyway.

Sikhs Against the EDL backs ‘Love Leicester, Hate Racism’ Demonstration

EDL attempts to build links with extremists in Sikh community

Monday, July 2, 2012

Luton, February 2011: Sikhs demonstrate against the EDLThe national press has belatedly latched on to the English Defence League's attempt to exploit a Sikh protest that took place in Luton

Well it seems that for the most part The EDL have quite a bit of sympathy among the people on here. That's good. The next bit is, is there anyone on here who openly supports The EDL (goes to the demos and talks about them positively with their peers etc...)? If you don't but you still like The EDL, what do you feel is preventing you from doing that?

are you an EDL agent? coz u blumin well sound like one! EDL are racist scumbags, the worst sort. Divide and rule tactics, same bullsh*t as always

Good for them, they could take it a step further and freeze Muslim immigration altogether as well. If the Muslims really are causing that much trouble then it ain't worth the trouble. Plenty of other places to get immigrants and have a better chance of integrating them as well.

All of Europe needs to follow this measure if they want to save their civilization. Hopefully Canada and America will take note as well.

and who do you think would be the next target ey?? Sikhs are the next in line based on religious attire

just spoken the sukhdev singh and hes said that how do we know that this is sikh bibhia and not hindu bibhia

hes said he wont give any answer unless we write to him he did get abit annoyed

sukhdev singh number please SIKHI SAROOP language

07532286960

since i know people from huddersfield, i wouldnt have much trouble identifying which are hindu bibian and which are our own. a small close knit community in hudds.

you can write to him, guarnteed you wont get a response. i would urge every concerned Singh to visit the Guru Ghar for themselves and see what goes on day in day out.

uno what this is flamin ridiculoous, whats tha point of being apart of sumfin when crap lyke this goes on in a gurdwara!!!! fustrating man, this si tha type of stuff tha turns me of religion!!

This is not religion. its people. manmukhs thinking they can control a Guru ghar. i dont see the connection this has with religion- anyone being put off or not.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh ji,

Veerji i just turned 21 in july. I stopped shaving/Kes katal from march 2012 to date. I've been tying a Dastar for 3weeks. My beard is about 2inches long. so 2inches in 5months. It wasn't easy. there were many times when i wanted to give up and shave. getting th london tube and having people stare at me each and every day like i was some sort of a threat lol. also the scruffy stage about 3months in...not good lol. Veer just believe in Maharaaj and all those thaughts will be dispelled. I was totally into my looks with slick hairstyles etc but when i made the decision to keep my Kes, i wasnt going back. All Guru jis Kirpa. I was able to keep my Kes coz i believed in Guru jis Kirpa 100%. Once you do keep it, you stand out from the rest, your unique, no longer blindly following the ways of society- that is an amazing feeling veer, be proud of it.

Have pride in the appearance Maharaaj has given you. Believe in your Guru and all your jobs will be done for you. Just look at how much your Guru has given you. Can we not even keep our Kes at the very least for our Guru? Theres reason behind everything that we're ordained to do. Its to our benefit so if we're keeping our Kes, its for our own good. I now have a beard which im actually quite proud of (lol), a tie a dastar which has so so many benefits- a completely new found respect. I stopped eating meat 5months back too- feel healthier, feel better in my self. I didnt drink so that was cool. Veer trust me, if i can do it, anyone can. my friends are witness to that. Good Luck Veerji!

My limited knowledge, pul chuk maaf ji.

I came across the following site, they've also a facebook page:

http://www.islam-sik....info/index.htm

"Welcome to the world's first and currently only Islam-Sikhism da'wah (invitation to Islam) initiative.

Our new and improved site contains more articles and material than ever before, and all praise is for Allaah alone. We ask new visitors to read About Us before jumping to premature conclusions.

All rebuttals received shall be published in full providing they adhere to the universal rules of debate, i.e. they must be in response to articles on this site and specific to the subject chosen."

Just 3 of the articles on the site listed below:

'G*ru Game Hunters' : http://www.islam-sik...anim/anim01.htm

'The attributeless W*heg*ru' : http://www.islam-sik...eo/sifaat01.htm

'The neglectful G*ru N*nak' : http://www.islam-sik.../neglect01.htm.

What are we doing about this? can we report this site? how to ban it? its full of baseless cr*p.

practice practice and practice a little more. How did you learn to walk? Or speak? or ride a bike? drive a car....you can see where im going

practice practice and practice a little more. How did you learn to walk? Or speak? or ride a bike? drive a car....you can see where im going

bro chek dis video out, i think its a wicked idea, havin a random langar, where it teaches non-sikhs about wat langar is, this is literally takin r religion out for others. all the sevadaars r english speakin youth, leaflets n boards r all in english. look at how many non-sikhs r there, who have learnt bowt sikhi, u never kno wat this event may have done for some1s potential 2 become a better human, or even become a sikh, who knows. Sikh parchaar needs 2 revolutionise itself, these guys have done wicked with this.

UNITED SIKHS serving Langgar at the London Olympics as Bhai Fauja Singh Ji relays the torch.

speak english at gurdwara with english parchar ,end of!

and in turn forget Punjabi?

Maybe we should admit that in general Sikhs are NOT a particularly religious community then? From my experiences I'd say the majority of apnay are more concerned about their status and wealth than religious matters. Plus more often than not, those that do connect to the faith, seem to do so more on a political basis than spiritual.

If this IS the general trend (and maybe I'm wrong in this, please share your thoughts if you think so), then it explains why hardly any parents take teaching Sikhi to their kids with any seriousness/depth and what commonly goes on in a Gurdwara, where people are fulfilling their 'need to belong to a group' needs more than anything else?

Sikh Panjabi Parents will typically obsess about their kids getting degrees and thus filling their head with all kinds of academic stuff to improve their marriage/job prospects but, in relative terms, seem to be pretty apathetic when it comes to encouraging, supporting , facilitating the development of knowledge of their spiritual/Sikh dimensions. One a material level this is understandable because they are probably trying to be pragmatic and seeing it as 'this worldly knowledge has immediate and tangible benefits in terms of status, jobs etc whereas this other 'religious' stuff doesn't bring immediate benefits like this.'

On the other hand, I also feel that the dynamics between apnay are frequently dysfunctional to the extreme and often characterised by jealousy, judgmentalism, bitter competitiveness and even outright hatred (say between certain castes or political affiliates) rather than positive emotion. We rarely have a certain type of warmness between ourselves that I feel some other religious congregations do, like sullay or certain denominations of Christians. So we need change there too - brothers need to show love to each other without acting like homosexuals or disdainful, haughty judges towards those less disciplined than themselves. I guess what I'm trying to get at is, if we want to teach the youth we have to do it well, in an environment that suits them too, especially targeting those who aren't going to get the right sort of guidance at home for whatever reasons.

Just sharing some thoughts, please don't take it like I think I am flawless in all this, I have as much to be criticised about, as any one/thing i criticise - for the record.

No, Punjabis in general are not a religious community. our culture has messed us up to the max. our youth are so confused as to what is and isn't Sikhi. We MUST distinguish religion from culture and ensure our youth dont get stuck in this jaal. people doing toof bati etc to photos, jaat paat, if you sneeze you cant go out, black cat blah blah bullsh*t.

Sullay? I fail to see why you opted for that term over Musalmaan/Muslim. please have respect for others if we want them to reciprocate

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh ji

lol why not?

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh ji

learn from your mistake. ask yourself why you skipped your nitnem. and then sort it out. simplezz i personally dont think you have to go for peshi. If you feel you have to, no harm either.

Pul chuk maaf