Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Sat Sree Akaal, Dear all and BarinderSingh jee, You wrote "On the topic of gurmantra. BHAI GURDAS JI cleared the issue by saying Vaheguru is the true mantra." May I ask? Is BHAI GURDAS JI your Guru? Did the true Gurus ever mention Bhai Gurdas ji's name in SGGS jee? Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Sat Sree Akaal, Dear all, luckysingh99 and harsharan000 tried to introduce their relatives, friends and people they move around. Their posts prove what company they move in and what they have received from their mentor. The true Gurus say the true Naam is found in the company of a Sadhu. The treachery started calling the crowd of seekers Sadhu Sangat. The true Guru says the Gurdwara is the tenth door. The wisdom of Naam enters through it. Antaryaatraa, the inner journey, begins. The treachery started calling a building Gurdwara. The result is obvious. Unlucky people started calling themselves luckysingh99 and manmukhs themselves harsharan000. ***** You pray and wish that you and your children are freed from the clutches of treachery and evil preachers then search and receive the true Naam. Receiving the Gur of true Naam each and every Vaak from Gurdev becomes your experience. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Sat Sree Akaal, Dear all and Sat1176 jee, You wrote "Please do tell me then what name of god you do jaap off, or do you not believe in mantar jaap at all?" The True Naam is not an advertisement. It is also not for sharing with anyone. Please listen. Gurdev is singing. ਤਿਸ ਕਾ ਮੰਤ੍ਰੁ ਨ ਜਾਨੈ ਹੋਰੁ ॥ तिस का मंत्रु न जानै होरु ॥ tis kaa mantru na jaanai horu. GauRee Sukhmanee M: 5 SGGS 284-2 No one else knows his mantra. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Sat Sree Akaal, Dear all, Surprisingly all true seekers question the validity of "Waheguru" gur-mantar jaap. Gurdev never suggested its jaap nor it gives the results described by them. Please listen. Gurdev is singing about Gurmantra. ਹਰਿ ਕਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਦੀਓ ਗੁਰਿ ਮੰਤ੍ਰੁ ॥ हरि का नामु दीओ गुरि मंत्रु ॥ hari kaa naamu deeo guri mantra. GauRee M: 5 SGGS Ang 190-9 ***** Sat1176 jee, Please let all know from whom you got "Waheguru" gur-mantar jaap and if the name of your Guru is mentioned in SGGS jee. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Sat Sree Akaal, Dear all, Please listen. Gurdev is singing. ਹਰਿ ਕੇ ਨਾਮ ਬਿਨਾ ਜਗੁ ਧੰਧਾ ॥ हरि के नाम बिना जगु धंधा ॥ hari ke naam binaa jag dhandhaa. Without the Name of Hari the world is a business. ਜੇ ਬਹੁਤਾ ਸਮਝਾਈਐ ਭੋਲਾ ਭੀ ਸੋ ਅੰਧੋ ਅੰਧਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ जे बहुता समझाईऐ भोला भी सो अंधो अंधा ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥ je bahutaa samjhaaiai bholaa bhee sao andhao andhaa.1.rahaao. Aasaa M: 1 SGGS Ang 358-3 Even though the fool may be taught again and again, he remains the blindest of the blinds. ||1||Pause|| ***** Some are doing business in this world. They have replaced the word Hari with Wahiguru. Can somebody refer one Vaak from Gurdev where He suggested doing Simran of Wahiguru? Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Sat Sree Akaal, Dear all and Sat1176 jee, What does a true seeker start imagine when he reads the word Hari? Is it Wahiguru, Lord or any other word than Hari? In my experience true Guru's words are Truth as written or spoken. There is no need of a smallest change in it. Balbir Singh

Poster harsharan000 jee wrote "From the Shabad Title of Dhan Guru Arjun Dev Maharaj in Raag Maajh, some lines are been taken to draw the attention on the three pillars of Gurmat, which are coincidently also mentioned in the title of present thread." Thanks for the wonderful Sabad from Guru Arjan Dev jee from Maajh M: 5 SGGS Ang 108 Please point out precisely. Which Vaak from Gurdev is mentioning "Mahima Of Wahiguru, His Nam & His Gurmukhs ...." I will be grateful. In my view, all your provided translations and explanations are off the track. Balbir Singh

luckysingh99 jee, You wrote "isn't 'ognam' ='mango' spelled backwards ?" This is exactly how smart people are convinced that they know. They go on but searching further day after day, life after life. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Sat Sree Akaal. Dear all and luckysingh99 jee, You wrote "Is to say the hari= is not waheguru, the lord, god,...etc... contrary to gurmat ?" Call somebody and he will turn his face toward you. L.S.wrote "Andinu=means Every day and every hour or you could say day and night or anything else that means all hours of BOTH working awake day and sleeping night day. Agree ???" All activities including our breath are active day and night. True Simran can also become active day and night. True Simran leads one even beyond the body and mind activities. Day and night are realizations through body and mind. Just like there is no night on Sun. True Simran leads one to a state where there is no day or night. dinu means the day. ndinu means no day. andinu means (without) no day and day. L.S. wrote "Chakri=means to work, serve or be making some active effort." All acts are His. He is active in all. How can an individual work, serve or be making some active effort? Enough for now. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Sat Sree Akaal, Dear all and simran345 jee, Have you ever tasted the fruit called ognam? Most of us do not know what that is. Strange. Most of us are showing their expertise on this. You have realized this at least. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Sat Sree Akaal, Dear all and harsharan000 jee, Hearty Thanks for your post. The Supreme resides in everyone. Are we His clothing? He moves and the dress feels moving. We are in illusion when we are not aware of this. The Supreme is acting and active in all. Also, HE is silent and silence in all. He moves and we feel we are alive. Please listen. Gurdev is singing. ਕਰਨ ਕਰਾਵਨ ਕਰਤਾ ਸੋਈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ करन करावन करता सोई ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥ karan karaavan kartaa sooee.1.rahaao Gauree M:5 SGGS Ang 189-9 It is all HIS Act, what He expresses through me, you and all of us. This is the Bachittar Naatak. This is how the universe is evolving. ***** Your role in this thread is the Supreme Himself. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal, Dear all, Poster harsharan000 referred the wonderful Vaak from Gurdev. Post #three in this thread ਭਗਤ ਕਰਨਿ ਹਰਿ ਚਾਕਰੀ ਜਿਨੀ ਅਨਦਿਨੁ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਇਆ ॥ भगत करनि हरि चाकरी जिनी अनदिनु नामु धिआइआ ॥ bhagat karani hari chaakree jinee andinu naamu dhiaaiaa. Maajh-Vaar M:1 SGGS Ang 145-16 His explanation is "Here Sree Guru Amar Das is talking us about true devtion, true bhakti." In my view the right translation is "Bhagats do Hari Chaakree those day and nights meditate on the Naam." Poster h. expands his explanation "He says, the true devotees serve the Lord, means do the seva of the Lord Wahiguru with their soul, by meditating on Nam." Why has the Poster h. changed, replaced and added the word Hari with Lord and Lord Wahiguru? Why the poster h. has added the word "soul" here? Gurdev has not mentioned the word 'soul' in this Vaak though. Poster h. adds further "And to do this seva, there are no fixed times, . . ." Andinu means the day and night. . . . Poster h. also wrote about Simran in this post. "What is Nam Simran?" and he answers "It is just surrendering our mind and body to Him. And this is what spirituality is about." I do not know, from where he got this answer. I never heard Gurdev saying that Simran is surrendering our mind and body to Him. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal, Dear all, After Raam Kathaa in a village, a person fro the audience asked "Who was Seetaa?" "Please visit the next session." The Kathaa Vaachak replied. This is how the cycle of rebirths continues. One may also hear the recordings these days. luckysingh999 jee, as you are back better we talk about your views. You wrote "Answer is- because we DON"T Love others enough ! . . . FACT is.. that we can never love anyone too much, it's just that we don't love others enough. Only if we did, then we could feel the Divine love of God in fullness and be able to start describe his mahima." Please listen. Gurdev is singing. ਜਗਤ ਮੈ ਝੂਠੀ ਦੇਖੀ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ॥ जगत मै झूठी देखी प्रीति ॥ jagat mein jhoothee dekhee preeti. Devgandhaaree M:5 SGGS Ang 536 Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal. Poster harsharan000 "Why is it that I have to provide always?" It is because you are misleading the readers on the name of SGGS jee. You replace, change, add and misinterpret the reverend Guru's words. Poster h. "Why do you not provide where in the Granth Sahib is written, that the title of this thread, cannot be written so?" This shows your deep-rooted desire to be mentioned in SGGS jee. Poster h. "And please do not say or write, let us think, why did they not say so.... that is speculation." SGGS jee is the original Truth. All what you write or say is a pseudo lie. Poster h. "The thing is not why did they never used those words as per your way of thinking, but if it is illegal, or it is a sin in writing so, and thus if it is not authorized by them in written somewhere, in their Bani." Does a moorakh engage himself in particular papas reasoning he could not find those mentioned in SGGS jee? Poster h. "I do not need any answer as per your way of thinking, because that question does not ever arise in my mind like in yours, and it shall never ever will." My posts are not answers for you. Those are authentic questions from the young generation and their parents, the true seekers. Poster h. "Thanks for your blessings from God, and I pray the same for you, that He may answer you, as per why they did not say or write so." The Guru's Vaaks are complete and fulfilling me. It surprises me when some feel there is a gap and those should be filled. Poster h. "Only He knows, what was in their mind at that time, and if they did not write or say so, it must have been for some good reason, they know best." You agree with it at least. It was a good reason. Please do not spoil yourself further by changing their words. Poster harsharan000 "Who are we to question them and arise our voices: hey Guru Jee, I am arguing with someone, why didn´t you write those words, as I think it should be or not be...." Everyone should pray. Guru Jee, please bless me that I can experience your statements as mine. Balbir Singh

Please provide the readers one example where The True Gurus have used the term "His Naam." Your mind may find the answer, if not God may bless you. Balbir Singh

Sat1176 jee, Your post is simple and authentic. We may come to your post soon or whenever God allows us. Thanks. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Sat Sree Akaal, Dear all, The Poster harsharan000 has avoided my request for the answer. What is Gurdev singing here? mahimaa kahee na jaai gur samrath dev. gur paarbrahm parmesur aprampar alakh abhev. 16 goojree-vaar M:5 SGGs Ang 522 ***** Let us observe his statements one by one and find the truth in these. Poster h. "Time after time, you keep on denying the reality of Mahima in the Bani." You have not quoted one Vaak from Gurdev where the word Mahimaa occurred. Did Gurdev ever say that they are singing Mahimaa of Wahiguru? Poster h. "by diverting the attention of the Sangat to useless and baseless points," I feel this is exactly that you are doing. You cannot hide yourself by blaming others. Poster h. "But never mind, His Mahima is infinite, and that does not mean, that you can not sing His Glory...." Yes. You may sing his glory. Poster h. "other thing is if one can ever finish singing His Mahima." harsharan with three 000 at the back, did the reverend Gurus ever say that one can sing His Mahimaa but never bring it to an end? Poster h. "These are 2 different things. Each and every time, you keep on twisting the meaning of the Bani, just because of your ego and jealousy mainly...." Gurbaanee is as it is. One gets lost if he even changes a maatraa of it. It is you who replace and adds the words like Mahimaa and Wahiguru. Why? Why you mislead others? Let us take the wonderful Vaak from Guru Teg Bahaadur jee. ਗੁਨ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਗਾਇਓ ਨਹੀ ਜਨਮੁ ਅਕਾਰਥ ਕੀਨੁ Gun Gobindh Gaaeiou Nehee Janam Akaarathh Keen गुन गोबिंद गाइओ नही जनमु अकारथ कीनु If you do not sing the Praises of the Lord, your life is rendered useless. 60442 ਸਲੋਕ ਵਾਰਾਂ ਤੇ ਵਧੀਕ (ਮ: ੯) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੪੨੬ ਪੰ. ੧੦ Salok Guru Teg Bahaadur jee Why your translation begins with "If." The Guru has not used this word in this Salok. Whom are you trying to scare? Are you a son of a false preacher? . . . Poster H. "Then other thing, Nam is only one power, it is the same power operating in me, you, or in the donkeys...." Those who are blessed with true Naam know that this is a false statement. Naam as seed is in all. It may have not started sprouting in all. Now I realize why you chose the title "Mahima Of Wahiguru, His Nam & His Gurmukhs ...." The true Gurus never used this combination "His Naam." The word Naam occurred through them thousands of time though. Enough for now. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Sat Sree Akaal, Dear all, The poster harsharan000 misinterprets Guru's words from SGGS jee. Perhaps his company with wrong and misleading preachers has blocked his mind. He is a good example of a translated Sikh. He reads Guru's words and remembers translations done by others. The wonderful Vaak from Gurdev is "sadaa sadaa hari ke gun gaahi." GauRee Sukhmanee M5 SGGS Ang 281 The poster gursharan000 translated and explained this Vaak "who sing the Glorious Praises(Mahima) of Hari(Wahiguru), forever and ever. Here once again, there is a proof from our Guru Jee, who is saying, that very fortunate are those beings, who sing the Glorious Praises = Wahiguru´s Mahima. That also not from now on, nor since yesterday, but since ever and forever. One must be possesed by some evil really, because to avoid listening or singing Hi Mahima is really a very bad sin." ----- The word "gaahi" in SGGS jee does not mean sing. "Hari ke Gun" does not mean 'Glorious Praises(Mahimaa) of Waheguru. Someone if believes the poster gursharan000, he cannot agree with True Guru's all the Vaaks where they say that HIS Mahimaa is undescribable. ----- The poster gursharan000 should prove his smartness and knowledge to all readers. What is Gurdev singing here? ਮਹਿਮਾ ਕਹੀ ਨ ਜਾਇ ਗੁਰ ਸਮਰਥ ਦੇਵ ॥ महिमा कही न जाइ गुर समरथ देव ॥ mahimaa kahee na jaai gur samrath dev. ਗੁਰ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਪਰਮੇਸੁਰ ਅਪਰੰਪਰ ਅਲਖ ਅਭੇਵ ॥੧੬॥ गुर पारब्रहम परमेसुर अपर्मपर अलख अभेव ॥१६॥ gur paarbrahm parmesur aprampar alakh abhev. 16 goojree-vaar M:5 SGGs Ang 522 Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Sat Sri Akaal. Dear all and Nalwa jee, We all are sent down to earth as separated from God. All casts are down (neech) as these differentiate and separate us from God. It is the true Naam Simran that makes us aware of merging in HIM again. On page 469, the Vaaks you referred, are very precious. ਜੋਗ ਸਬਦੰ ਗਿਆਨ ਸਬਦੰ ਬੇਦ ਸਬਦੰ ਬ੍ਰਾਹਮਣਹ ॥ जोग सबदं गिआन सबदं बेद सबदं ब्राहमणह ॥ Jog sabdaN giyaan sabadN bed sabdaN BrahmaRaha. ਖਤ੍ਰੀ ਸਬਦੰ ਸੂਰ ਸਬਦੰ ਸੂਦ੍ਰ ਸਬਦੰ ਪਰਾ ਕ੍ਰਿਤਹ ॥ खत्री सबदं सूर सबदं सूद्र सबदं परा क्रितह ॥ khatree sabdaN soor sabdaN soodra sabdaN paraa kritaha. ਸਰਬ ਸਬਦੰ ਏਕ ਸਬਦੰ ਜੇ ਕੋ ਜਾਣੈ ਭੇਉ ॥ सरब सबदं एक सबदं जे को जाणै भेउ ॥ sarab sabdaN ayk sabdaN je ko jaaRai bheo. ਨਾਨਕੁ ਤਾ ਕਾ ਦਾਸੁ ਹੈ ਸੋਈ ਨਿਰੰਜਨ ਦੇਉ ॥੩॥ नानकु ता का दासु है सोई निरंजन देउ ॥३॥ naanak taa kaa daas hai soee niranjan deo.3. Gurdev is saying those words of jog, Giyaan and Veda by Brahmins, the words of Khatri, Soor and Sudra are other activities. (The Essence of ) all word is One Sabad. Someone if knows this secret. Naanak His Daas is, Himself the Niranjan Deo. On page 487 Guru Arjan Dev jee is singing. ਨੀਚ ਕੁਲਾ ਜੋਲਾਹਰਾ ਭਇਓ ਗੁਨੀਯ ਗਹੀਰਾ ॥੧॥ नीच कुला जोलाहरा भइओ गुनीय गहीरा ॥१॥ neech kulaa jolaaharaa bhaio guneeya gaheeraa.1. Kabeer jee is one such Bhagat. Coming down in the kula of a weaver. He became the recipient of virtues. On page 488 Gurdev is singing. ਇਹ ਬਿਧਿ ਸੁਨਿ ਕੈ ਜਾਟਰੋ ਉਠਿ ਭਗਤੀ ਲਾਗਾ ॥ इह बिधि सुनि कै जाटरो उठि भगती लागा ॥ ih bidhi suni kai jaaTro uthi bhagatee laagaa. Hearing this technique, the Jaat got initiation in worship. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Sat Sree Akaal, harsharan000 jee, Please listen. Gurdev is singing. ਤੁਮਰੀ ਮਹਿਮਾ ਬਰਨਿ ਨ ਸਾਕਉ ਤੂੰ ਠਾਕੁਰ ਊਚ ਭਗਵਾਨਾ ॥੧॥ तुमरी महिमा बरनि न साकउ तूं ठाकुर ऊच भगवाना ॥१॥ tumree mahimaa barani na saakau toon thaakur ooch bhagwanaa.1. Ang 735-2 your mahimaa (I) cannot describe you Thaakur OOch Bhagwaanaa. You have often misinterpreted Guru's Words claiming that they are describing mahimaa of Wahiguru. You referred the first part of Japu jee and claimed "If all this Mahima from Guru Nanak Dev Maharaj in the above lines is not enough for you, let me know, I will write you down all the 1430 pages....." This maybe your main occupation providing the readers 1430 pages of SGGS jee along with copied and pasted the borrowed translation from somebody else. Have you ever experienced any of the Guru's Vaaks? It seems like you have over eaten. Your mind's tummy is overfilled with the copied Giyaan you borrowed. The result is you are vomiting now. You wrote ".... maybe then, your arrogance, your malice, your ego is thus washed away..." Perhaps you have missed your daily dose of Naam Simran you talk about. I hope it was the right prescription from the Sati Guru not from somebody else. Those who are blessed with true Naam Simran realize that Mahimaa of the Supreme cannot be described. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Sat Sree Akaal, luckysingh99 jee, Thanks for your inspiration. I started searching SGGS jee and found wonderful lines. Please listen. Gurdev is singing. ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਭਗਤਿ ਜਿਸੁ ਆਪੇ ਦੇਇ ॥ प्रेम भगति जिसु आपे देइ ॥ prem bhagati jisu aape de-ee. love, devotion whom (He) gives Himself. ਜਗ ਮਹਿ ਵਿਰਲੇ ਕੇਈ ਕੇਇ ॥੩॥ जग महि विरले केई केइ ॥३॥ jag mahi virle ke-ee kei.3. in the world are rare. 869-10 In this world most people are lost because they feel that they should and they can love. You wrote "Let me be on my inner journey . . ." You are on an inner journey and sailing on an anger boat with frustration. What a surprise is this! Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Sat Sree Akaal, Somebody asked a person "how many are two plus two?" The person replied "four rotis." Please listen. Guru Arjan Dev jee is singing. agam roop kaa man mahi thaanaa. SGGS Ang 186-15 non moving form resides in mind. harsharan000 jee read this and analyzed "The Lord(Wahiguru) of Unfathomable Form has His Place in the mind. First of all, He is talking about the form of Wahiguru as Agam Roop, which by itself is His description, otherwise He is unfathomable." Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal, Dear all and luckysingh99 jee, You wrote "Yes, Bablbirji his Mahima cannot be described." Thanks for your understanding. You added "Because we don't even understand on how to love all so that we may experience the Truth of PURE love which is the Divine Love felt and experienced from and within God himself." Please provide me one reference where our Gurus have said that we should love or we can love. I will be grateful. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal, Dear all and harsharan000 jee, Please listen. Gurdev is singing. hari kee mahimaa kicchu kathanu na jaaee.1.rahaao Ang 1164-6 ਹਰਿ ਕੀ ਮਹਿਮਾ ਕਿਛੁ ਕਥਨੁ ਨ ਜਾਈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ हरि की महिमा किछु कथनु न जाई ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥ Har kī mahimā kicẖẖ kathan na jā▫ī. ||1|| rahā▫o. The Lord's Glory cannot even be described. ||1||Pause|| An egotist but feels confident writing long posts on mahimaa of Wahiguru. You wrote ". . . and in this case I refer to the mahima of Wahiguru alone, which is the Bani of our Guru Sahibans in the Granth Sahib Maharaj." In my observation Gurdev never said that mahimaa of wahiguru can be expressed through words. Balbir Singh

harsharan000 jee, I am still waiting for your answer to my curiosity. The question is this. The true Gurus never used the words, 'mahimaa' and 'wahiguru' together. Why? My humble request is "please do not use the word 'we' when you actually want to write 'I' in your posts." Your topic is "Mahima Of Wahiguru, His Nam & His Gurmukhs ...." The readers are still at the first part of it. Should we do some veechaar on His Naam and His Gurmukhs? Balbir Singh