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<<they're cool because they cater for the whole community and like you get adult education facilities and young people forums, camps, >> We need to be VERY CAREFUL with one thing.These community centres should be aimed at sikhi and not at punjabi culture or a time pass thing.Things like gym,bhangra giddha,young people forums etc etc I dont thing will help,might spoil things as they have already done. Show kids or adults movies or documentaries on sikh history, make them learn gurmukhi, make them Santan diyan speeches. show cds of inspirational kathavaachaks like Giani Pinderpal singh ji for example make them learn martial arts Be sure that u only aim at sikhi and NOT punjabi culture or other things. Dont make these centres too COOL.We already have quite a cool generation of phoney sikhs spoiling the sikh image in india as well as in the west.

<<IIRC when Manmohan Singh visited europe as PM for first time, he was on a visit to Italy I think, the battle of Fallujah broke out. In that particular instance the americans blasted the entire city with half the residents locked in their homes.>> Kidaan Raju, Kaimm aaan? Veer,I dont think Manmohan Singh is going to make it.In my view if such a person ever comes,he wont be a wordly scholar who has read worldy books all his life.He will be a Guru Ka Sikh who has reached Karam Khand or even Sach Khand(u need to study Jap Ji Sahib to understand this).He will be awake 24 hours a day.The words that he will speak will have IMMENSE POWER.His eyes will be FEARLESS(like that of Sant Jarnail Singh Khalsa).And his name will be .................. Main nahin dassna KHALISTAN ZINDABAD

There are many young kids in USA who learn english,spanish etc but not gurmukhi.These sort of community centres will settle this problem.The community centre will have following advangates: 1:seed of sikhi can be sown is a young kid. 2:elder members will have a nice time pass and can help the young kids too 3.It will make the life of parents easy In my view these type of community centres are must for places like USA where education is free and even if we make some sikh schools,not many parents will send their kids.

Source:http://www.ihro.in/?q=taxonomy/term/6 A Proposal for Self-Determination The Only solution to solve regional political conflicts Self-Determination Proposal of Australia, New Zealand and the United States of America, in their Explanatory Note, says: “We would like to provide some background to our proposal, so (that) there is a clear understanding, here and in capitals, of what our delegations will require in articulating the right to self-determination for indigenous peoples in this Declaration.” Under international law, the right to self-determination is addressed in Article 1 of both the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights. In both treaties, the right is stated as: All peoples have the right to self-determination. By virtue of that right, they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development. This “Common Article 1” right of self-determination is understood in international law, under certain circumstances, to include the right to secession and full independence. The term “self-determination” has a storied history– its implementation in the 1950s, 60s and 70s led to the establishment of many of today’s nation-states. “We do not deny the proposition that some indigenous peoples in the world might qualify for this common Article 1 self-determination. When adopted, this Declaration would not preclude any peoples from claiming that existing right, under appropriate circumstances. Nor do we seek or wish, in any way, to qualify, limit or diminish this existing right. Moreover, it is not part of the mandates of this Working Group to do that,” adds the Explanatory Note. “The original draft text of this Declaration, as drafted by the Sub-Commission implies that what we are dealing with in this Declaration is different from the existing right. Statements by indigenous representatives from NGO’s and indigenous authorities as well as by participating States have made clear that secession and independence are not the intended outcome of Article 3 of this Declaration. This Working Group is seeking to create a new understanding of self-determination as a right that is to be exercised within an existing nation-state and is not intended to impact in any way on the political unity or territorial integrity of any States. “Since we are discussing a new understanding of the right of self-determination in the context of the nation-state, Article 3 of the Declaration cannot be a note repetition of the common Article 1. This Working Group must explain in this Declaration exactly what is meant by the term self-determination that relates to Indigenous Peoples. “Without clarity of meaning for Article 3, the Declaration risks creating confusion, ambiguity and leaving it open to endless interpretations, which would, in our view, render it meaningless. For example, we have all heard the assertion in this Working Group that the right of self-determination is fully and completely exercised when the whole population expresses itself through periodic elections in a democratic, representative nation. “We have also heard the assertion that the right in Article 3 may include secession or independence, or self-government, or free association, for example. Others seem to be asking States to sign a “blank check”. In other words, they are saying they want the freedom to exercise the right without any clear or agreed understanding being articulated in the text of the Declaration itself. Our shared objective must be to provide a substantive meaning to Article 3 that does not render it meaningless or beyond the prospect of implementation in democratic States. “After eleven years of negotiations, we believe this Working Group has a duty and responsibility to articulate a meaningful Article 3 definition of self-determination that describes the rights of indigenous peoples, residing within an existing nation-state, in a clear and understandable manner. “That said, we also recognise that both States and indigenous peoples are not uniform in their desires and aspirations. This is well illustrated by our three States. For the United States, for example, it is imperative that the right of indigenous peoples to have autonomy over their local affairs be clearly understood in include the ability to form all of the institutions as a government needs to function– from authority to establish educational systems to the authority to establish legislative, executive and judicial branches of government. For other States one of the main concerns is to prevent discrimination against any of their citizens yet at the same time providing for self-management. For this reason, we have provided language in Article 3 that is flexible enough to accommodate all these imperatives. “By defining the Article 3 rightly and giving it a real substance, our hope is that the Declaration has the chance to make a practical and real difference in the everyday lives of indigenous peoples around the globe. An ambiguous Declaration will, in our view, serve no-one’s interest, least of all indigenous peoples. “In our proposal, we provide text that distinguishes the Article 3 right to self-determination from the common Article 1 right. In so doing, it brings both clarity and substance to what this Working Group has been trying to do since its inception: to provide both States and indigenous peoples with a blueprint for a more harmonious and fair relationship. To do otherwise would be failing in our shared commitment to adopt a declaration that will be of real and practical benefit to indigenous peoples. “We want, once and for all, to affirm that indigenous peoples are not only equal in human dignity, but are empowered to chart their own destinies through self-management over their local and internal matters in close cooperation with the States in which they reside. Above all, the governments of Australia, New Zealand and the United Sates of America want a Declaration that is clear, unambiguous, and transparent. And, we want a Declaration that all States can implement in a meaningful way. We are committed to a Declaration that States and the international community as a whole can fully live up to as a new, robust and forward-looking standard of achievement, according the UNPO recent news details. This would now depend upon the willingness of the Indian rulers to listen to the voice of sanity and reason. The mighty Soviet Union disintegrated within a matter of two years. The Soviet Empire crumbled like dominoes. Has history any lesson for India? Under International law, every people have the fundamental and inalienable right of self-determination. United Nations Charter affirms this right. We, therefore, suggests that Sikhs, a nation of 16-18 million people, must under International law be given the right to exercise their political will. Similarly, other nations in Kashmir and the northeast should be accorded this right to solve all lingering political conflicts. D S Gill Chair IHRO

<<Out of the country of Greater Arabia Shall be born a strong master of Mohammed... He will enter Europe wearing a blue turban. He will be the terror of mankind. Never more horror. >> I entered Austria six months back with a blue turban and that was the first time I entered europe

<<To the veer who started this topic, please don't cover/hide your precious Kakaar.>> I dont hide my kakkar anywhere.I also love to preach others about sikhi,if I dont have these worldy affairs I would like to preach sikhi 24 hours.But I feel a bit bad in explaining these skin headed tattoed security guys about all this stuff. In the ideal case the sikhs should be allowed with Sri Sahib at all places but thats not what is happening and we need to find some solution.I feel so bad when I remove my kakkar everytime I have to fly.Either make your own airlines,or revolt big time or find some other solution to this menace. Waheguru ji ka khalsa Waheguru ji ki fateh

Lots of western countries offer free education and hence many sikh parents send their kids to these schools even if there is some decent sikh school(and we have very few sikh schools).Hence if we can make sikh community centres where young kids of 5 or less than 5 can come along with senior members of the community during the day time when the parents are out working. The young sikh kids can be shown movies on sikh history,made to learn gurmukhi,make to learn some path,made to learn proper turban.The senior members can help these young kids,plus there can be television,a punjabi newspaper for the senior members as well.Has anyone ever thought of some centre like this?Does any such centre already exist? Waheguru ji ka khalsa Waheguru ji ki fateh

Waheguru ji ka khalsa Waheguru ji ki fateh I was in South Korea for a seminar and I had problem in entering the seminar room with my Sri Sahib.I told that its not a weapon but is a part of my faith and is very much part of my body.After some time the person who was a nice gentleman allowed me.But I hate explaining other humans like this. Sometimes I think cant we make some special device that can cover the Sri Sahib and must have the control with the security incharge of that place.And we are told that Sir,here we assure that u wont need to use your Sri Sahib Ji and kindly put this device on? It will look so nice. Is this possible? I must say south korean chinki veers were very polite and understanding.

Justice delayed is justice denied Partial justice was delivered in Khalra murder case We must continue to get justice till KPS Gill is punished Jaswant Singh Khalra, General Secretary of the Human Right Wing of the Shiromani Akali Dal, a Sikh political party, was picked up by the police from his home- 8 Kabir Park, Amritsar, at 9:15 a.m. on September 6, 1995 and has not been seen since. Amnesty International sought the intervention of Home Minister S. B. Chavan and Punjab Chief Minster Harcharan Singh Brar for the release of Mr. Khalra. It expressed fears about his safety, saying: "He has not been produced in court and his relatives have not been officially informed about his whereabouts." International Human Rights Organisation (IHRO) also urged his immediate release. IHRO Chairperson D. S. Gill asked the Chief Minister Mr Brar to personally intervene and ensure Mr. Khalra's release. An Akali Dal delegation led by Gurcharan Singh Tohra, President, Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee (SGPC), in the meantime met, Punjab Governor B. K. N. Chhibber. On September 12, the Supreme Court of India issued notice to the Punjab Police and the state government to explain the disappearance. It treated the telegram sent by the SGPC president Mr. Tohra as a habeas corpus petition and heard the petition filed by Paramjit Kaur, spouse of Mr. Khalra. In her petition, Ms Khalra alleged that the Tarn Taran police had picked up her spouse using the assassination of Beant Singh as an excuse. In actuality, however, the Tarn Taran police wanted to settle score with him as he had enabled several victims of police excesses to file cases in the high court that had put the Senior Superintendent of Police (SSP), Ajit Singh Sandhu, in a tight spot. A large number of political and human rights groups gathered at Chandigarh on September 28 to protest against the disappearance. More than 200 human rights and political activists joined the protest march to Raj Bhawan (Governor’s home) bare-footed on that day. They included Simranjit Singh Mann, Harcharan Singh Rode, Justice A. S. Bains, D. S. Gill, R. N. Kumar, Gurtej Singh, Ranjan Lakhanpal, Gurdip Singh, Gurbhajan Singh Gill and Kalyan Singh Patna Sahib. As a follow-up, IHRO called upon Sikh and other human rights groups to celebrate December 10, the UN Human Rights Day as protest day against Mr. Khalra's disappearance. Protests and demonstrations were held in India, North America, Europe, Australia, New Zealand and Asian and African countries. There was a protest march to Parliament in New Delhi. Hundreds of protesters demonstrated near Parliament Police Station, where they held a rally. They accused the government of allowing the security forces in Punjab to violate the rule of law. Supreme Court lawyer and eminent human rights activist Ms Nitya Ramaswamy warned: "If the institutional remedies against such violations were not forthcoming, bonds of nationhood that bind the people with the state shall cease to be." Ms Sudesh Vaid alleged: "The CBI lacks the necessary power and independence to determine the truth in case of serious human rights violation by important functionaries of the security forces, especially in Punjab," reports United News of India (UNI). According to the UNI story filed by Jaspal Singh Sidhu, Sikh Student Federation (SSF) leader Rajinder Singh Mehta, well-known human rights activist D. S. Gill, Justice A. S. Bains and former Akal Takht Jathedar Bhai Jasbir Singh Rode were among the several other personalities who participated and spoke at the rally. Akal Takht acting Jathedar Prof. Manjit Singh also joined the march besides several other Akali leaders. They included Mr. Tohra, President, SGPC, Sukhdev Singh Dhindsa (Badal group), Sucha Singh Chhotepur (Mann Group), DSGMC president and it members. Members of PUCL and PUDR and other civil rights groups too joined the protest march. In a memorandum to UK Prime Minister John Major, IHRO European President, Barrister Harjit Singh said: "The worrying aspect of the Khalra saga is that it is not an isolated incident. In Punjab, such cases are legion. In 1992 another human rights activist and lawyer, Kulwant Singh Saini, along with his young spouse and 15-month-old son, was killed by the police when Saini turned up at the police station to represent a client. It was the family's misfortune to accompany him to the police station. Clearly, the police wanted no witnesses. Other three Sikh lawyers working in the human rights field have also been killed since. The Indian Constitution and the Indian Penal and Criminal Procedure Codes do provide safeguards against unacknowledged detentions but these are of little use in practice. In such cases and particularly in cases of 'disappearances,' cases brought before the courts move extremely slowly. Another exasperating factor is that the Chief Minister of Punjab and the Director General of Punjab Police, KPS Gill, have been working hand in glove. Indeed, KPS Gill is the political overlord in the state and is responsible for thousands of extra-judicial killings. We, therefore, urge you to intercede with the Indian authorities to ensure Mr. Khalra’s release forthwith; alternatively that he is brought before the courts and charged.” Responding to the memorandum, John Major asked the Foreign Office to reply. FL Gristock, South Asia Department, in its letter of December 1995, informed the IHRO European office: "Our High Commission in New Delhi is monitoring the case of Mr Khalra and has on several occasions, most recently on 12 December, raised this case with the Indian Government." IHRO North America Coordinator Gurdev Singh Gill, in a similar memorandum to Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chrétien, said: "Since you are leading a large team to India for investment purpose we strongly feel that it is the right time to remind you about Mr Khalra's disappearance. Canadian short-term economic interests should never prevail over human lives. Canada being a champion of Human Rights, you may please consider linking every agreement signed with Government of India with correcting their human rights record. Let us make loud and clear that unabated human rights violation and suppression of minorities can no longer be tolerated in the New World order. I therefore urge you to intercede with the Indian Prime Minister PV Narasimha Rao to ensure Mr. Khalra's release." Mr Chrétien took up the case with Mr Rao and Mr Brar, while in New Delhi. It is believed that he had also met Ms Khalra there. Canadian Foreign Minister, Andre Ouellette, in a letter to the IHRO coordination office, Toronto, told that they had raised the matter with Indian Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee in the United Nations, New York, in October and in the meeting of the Heads of Commonwealth Countries at Auckland, New Zealand, in November last. Colleen Beaumier, MP, also lobbied to obtain Mr Khalra' release. She mobilized other MPs. and Senators. Herb Dhaliwal and Gurbax Singh Malhi, both Sikh MPs, who had accompanied Mr Chrétien to India, did a lot in this case on behalf of the Sikh community there. IHRO and some Sikh organisations joined hands in Toronto and observed January 26 as "black day" in protest against the disappearance. The protesters appealed to their fellow Canadians to rethink their policy of trade missions to a country like India that has a bad record of human rights. Twenty-four Sikh organisations of the United States of America and Canada, in an advertisement published in New York Times on the opinion page in December, accused India of state terrorism. They said that Mr Khalra (about whom President Bill Clinton has showed his concern) was indeed arrested and disappeared after he filed a legal petition that the Punjab police had killed and cremated hundreds of Sikhs. US Members of Congress John Doolittle and Dan Burton, in their resolution (No 233 of September 28, 1995) in House of Representatives, condemned the disappearance, saying: "The House joins World Sikh Organisation in condemning the abduction of Mr Khalra and urging his immediate release." Rep. Vic Fazio and 60 other Members of Congress wrote to Mr Rao, expressing their concern about Mr Khalra's fate. Despite hundreds of petitions from all over the world and numerous demonstrations, the Punjab police remained dilly-dallying. It was only last week that the CBI court at Patiala awarded mild sentence of life to DSP Jaspal Singh and others, while completely ignoring the role of KPS Gill in the murder of Mr Khalra. We must continue to get justice for Mr Khalra till KPS Gill is also punished.

<<Our own have betrayed us and continue to do so>> These things are obvious.If I have money and power,I can buy thousands of hindus who will kill their hindu brothers.If I have money and power,I can buy thousands of mullas like farukk abdulla who will kill their own people.Just wearing turban doesnt make one sikh. We should not be taking all the blame on us. Our fault was that our enemy(GOI and hindu fundamentalists) could FALL TO ANY LEVEL to eliminate us.Had no morals what so ever.Its tough to fight such an enemy. Hitler came openly and killed.Mughals killed openly.But these indians... what I say. THey are a disgrace to human race.BUt they are made by Waheguru and Waheguru must be having their CURE too.Just wait for our time BOLEEEE SOOOOO NIHAAAAAL SAT SRI AKAL KHALISTAN ZINDABAD KHALISTAN ZINDABAD KHALISTAN ZINDABAD

Dear Veer <<So much filth and greed is in our quam at the moment that we have no one to blame but the people with turbans. Our own have betrayed us and continue to do so.>> In every pind of people,you will find people who gave their all for khalistan. A PM,a CM,an army chief were put to task and we had no political front in the world,no country to favour us.Our movement would stand at the top in terms of resources we had. Sikhs biggest enemy is that they trust other humans. I dont trust my own mind,how can i trust some non sikh who has no faith and NAAM? The day sikhs learn that they should not TRUST ANYONE APART FROM GURU,they will be unbeatable.

Its a nice thing that sports are being encouraged.But the problem with India and in fact subcontinent is that the management is missing.Professionalism is missing. We need professional approach.Sports not just for time pass and good health but sports should mean business. Just for example Say we have a sikh school in canada with about 60-80 students in each grade. Put an astro turf which will cost I think 60000 dollars and amount can be paid in 5 years.Employ a sikh coach(lots of skilled coaches in punjab) and a good german or dutch coach.Make young kids of 3 to 4 years to play hockey.I am sure in 14 years time we should have a team much better than the present Indian hockey team.

I remember once in indian basket ball team there were 4 or 5 real sikh brothers playing at a time.In hockey too,the pinds of punjab with very POOR facilites have produced olypians and genuine champions. In india sports is all about corruption and time pass and the same has happened in Punjab. But if we have strong will we can introduce sports like hockey cricket in schools in Uk ,canada and mean business.Like employ professional coaches and getting kids working out everyday from tender age.It will keep the kids away from laziness and other useless activities most people fall in.Plus we will produce sportsmen.Its just a matter of will I think.Sikhs contribute a lot for charity etc,this should be a pretty small thing but someone has to do it and not just write about it. We keep on giving over importance to losers like RSS and Hindus and Human right Violations(these things do need attention and action) but we need to do things like this side by side. I hope someone actually does it in the future. Khalistan Zindabad

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh There are lot of sikhs in countries like UK,USA and Canada and there are some decent sikh schools too.Why cant we introduce sports like hockey etc which are not played by by the common people in these countries.Provide EXCELLENT coaching from childhood and in 12-13 years we should have a pretty competitive team and who knows a world beating team too.It will be a GREAT feeling seeing khalsas beating the opponents.It will be such a good thing for sikh youth. Look at India.They flop in olympics everytime.Whole country play one sport and in that too they are just average.THeir talented players are selfish and most of the time surrender under pressure. If we have an international level hockey team or cricket team,whole world will know who sikhs are. Can this be done or this is a dumb idea? Why no one else think the way I do? I hope I am not immature. Bhul Chukk Maaf Khalistan Zindabad

DISA/1993/86A IHRO Report- A Flash back INDIA LIQUIDATED SIKH LAWYERS AND THEIR RELATIONS India prides itself as a great democracy governed by rule of law. This claim is belied by the reality. There is hardly any rule of law or democracy in practice. The shocking incident involving the deaths of an advocate of Ropar in Punjab, his spouse and their minor son at the hands of the police, is a grim reminder of the ugly face of the Indian state terrorism. Indian state has launched a murderous campaign against Sikh activists, their relations and defence lawyers in the state of Punjab that reached its lowest ebb when a young Sikh advocate Kulwant Singh Saini, his spouse Amarjit Kaur and 18-month-old son Karanbir, were clandestinely liquidated by the police. The International Human Rights Organisation (IHRO) received information that Kulwant Singh along with his spouse and son had been picked up by the Ropar police on January 25, 1993, from (near) the Ropar police station. They had gone there to bring back one Manjit Kaur and her son of their village Budha Bheora who had been arrested earlier that day. Before continuing to the police station, Kulwant Singh telephoned Deputy Superintendent of Police (DSP), Ropar, and Jaspal Singh, who had assured him that the woman and her son would be released by the evening. The Station House Officer (SHO), Ropar confirmed that the DSP had ordered their release and asked the advocate to take the woman and her son to their village. Kulwant Singh, his spouse and their son drove to the Ropar police station. The Ropar District Bar Association lawyers on January 27 went on strike demanding police action to locate their colleague and his family. Later, all district and sub-divisional bars in the States of Punjab and Haryana joined the strike. On February 8, the Ropar police chief Sanjiv Gupta claimed that the lawyer and two members of his family had been kidnapped and killed on January 28 by two Sikh militants and that their bodies had been pushed into the Bhakra Mainline Canal and the bodies had been washed away. The police further claimed that the two militants, who had surrendered to the police and had confessed the crime, committed sui¬cide hours before the police made announcement in this regard. Interestingly, the police announcement came after more than 5000 lawyers of the Chandigarh High Court struck work to protest against what until then was known as the disappearance of Kulwant Singh and his family. An IHRO two-member team had thoroughly investigated the matter. Significantly, the police kept silence about the incident for two weeks even when there were repeated media reports about the disappearance. The police made no efforts to make even a show of inquiring into the disappearance. The story of kidnapping by militants was concocted only after lawyers at Chandigarh went on strike. According to IHRO investigations, the police itself telephoned the advocate on January 25 at 9 PM to reach the Ropar City Police Station to take away the woman and her son who were in the custody of the police and the advocate had been following up the case with the police to seek their release. In fact, he had been asked by the Budha Bheora village panchayat (council) to help them for their release. And it was about this case that the advocate had gone to the police station. Evidently, the police un-acknowledgedly arrested him along with his spouse and son only to bump off into the canal together with their Maruti car (No DAQ 3804). There are holes in the police story that leaves no one in doubt in Punjab that it is a cold-blooded murder not only of the advocate but also his spouse and son. The motive behind the so¬-called kidnapping shown by the police is that the advocate had been opposing the militants’ plan to surrender before the police. This false plea was dismissed by thousands of lawyers of Punjab and Haryana who organised sit-in protests seeking a judicial inquiry into the murders by the police. Kulwant Singh’s father Jagir Singh Saini told the IHRO team that the Deputy Inspector General (DIG) of Police himself admitted before him the custody of his son, daughter-in-law and grandson on February 5. He also told that the claim of the police that two militants had kidnapped and killed his son and his family was totally wrong because one of the so-called militants, Harprit Singh had been produced by the Bagarpur village panchayat before the Ropar police a week earlier to the incident. “Then, how could he commit the crime?” Jagir Singh questioned the IHRO team. On March 2, 1993, thousands of lawyers from Punjab, Haryana and Chandigarh held a demonstration near the Punjab Government of¬fices at Chandigarh and later courted arrest in support of their demand for a judicial inquiry into the murder of Kulwant Singh, his spouse and their child. Earlier, the lawyers held a rally on the High Court premises, criticizing the Punjab Chief Minister, Beant Singh, and the Director General of Police (DGP), Punjab, KPS Gill (The detailed report is Annexure-A). In a tragic commentary on India’s democracy, the DGP KPS Gill reportedly vetoed a move to hold a judicial inquiry into the matter. Beant Singh reportedly told a deputation of lawyers of Chandigarh that he was all for a judicial probe but his police chief did not want it. The chief minister clearly indicated that the police chief was fully aware of the captivity of the advocate and his family. Some circles even suggest that the murders have taken place at the instance of KPS Gill (WSN: February 26, 1993). Unfortunately, the Government did not take notice of the closure of the courts for over three months. The lawyers ultimately had to stop their agitation in the interest of their clients. What is worse is that the chief justice and judges of the Punjab and Haryana high court remained mute witness to the drama. They even rejected a writ petition regarding these murders on technical grounds. The IHRO also sought a judicial inquiry into the matter, while releasing its report to the press on February 17. Amnesty Inter¬ national, Lawyers Committee for Human Rights (Lawyer to Lawyer Network) and other world human rights groups and some of the democratic governments have also written to the Indian Government in this regard, but to no avail. Kulwant Singh and his family have been liquidated for his professional activities as lawyer. He has been rendering legal aid to most of Sikh political and Khalistan activists in law courts. He was also general secretary of the Akali Dal from Ropar district. Earlier, Jagwinder Singh (25), an advocate of Kapurthala (Punjab) was “arrested” on September 25, 1992, and now suspected to be eliminated by the police in custody. He was picked up by three police officers from his home in Mohalla Laxmi Nagar, Kapurthala, on September 25, at about 6 AM. The police officers had informed him in the presence of his family members that they were from the Crime Investigation Agency (CIA), staff, Kapurthala. They told the advocate that Kapurthala Senior Superintendent of Police wanted to get his legal advice on some matter. The Kapurthala police later denied his arrest, while members of lawyer’s family witnessed the police party taking him away in the police Gypsy van. Jagwinder Singh’s father, Sukhdev Singh, and mother, Nasib Kaur, told the IHRO: “We can identify the police officers." As in the case of Kulwant Singh, the lawyers' community in the state of Punjab, Haryana and Chandigarh observed strike for more than two months in protest against Jagwinder Singh’s disappearance at the hands of the police but the State Administration did not move an inch. Whereabouts of the lawyer remained elusive. He, too, has been defending Sikh activists in law courts. He was earlier a member of the All India Sikh Students Federation (AISSF). He has been be harmed for his political views and professional responsi¬bilities. A year earlier, yet another advocate, Ranbir Singh Mansahia of Bathinda was abducted by the police on September 11, 1991, from his home early in the morning. The lawyers agitated against his abduction. The abductors were armed police officers in mufti. The advocate was bundled into a car and taken away. According to the Bathinda District Bar Association’s subsequent inquiry, the abductors were police officers who were sent there by the then SSP, Faridkot, Swaran Singh. The lawyers protested against Mansahia’s disappearance for over a month, but nothing came out. The IHRO could not make out whether he was made to suffer for his professional activities or for settling private scores, or for some ransom. The Ropar, Kapurthala and Bathinda incidents involving the clan¬destine elimination of three Sikh lawyer activists and Kulwant Singh’s spouse and their infant son by the police are merely a tip of the vast iceberg of murders and disappearances. It is now a routine affair in Punjab for the police to disappear or kill any one they like. The police itself is judge, prosecutor and executioner. This trend needs to be checked immediately in the inter¬est of humanity. We in IHRO, therefore, urge the international community, democratic governments and public opinion to take note of these state barbarities and exert pressure on the Government of India to put and end to these gruesome murders. ………………..

Just wait for our time brothers.Its not that far according to me.Just save all these kinds of photos and stories of what happened to us.The cowards and THANKLESS and DECEITFUL people in India think that their country will remain for ages but they dont know how this world is an amazing play of Waheguru and whatever we see will change and will finally end.So lets come under the SHARANN of WAheguru and these cowards will pay huge price for all that they have done both HERE AND HEREAFTER. KHALISTAN ZINDABAD KHALISTAN ZINDABAD KHALISTAN ZINDABAD

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh I decided to learn Kirtan some time back and approached lots of gurdwaras in ludhiana(my home town).Most dont teach and in some they teach only small kids(i am 23 years old,still a kid at heart though).Then i tried in a Ramgaria gurdwara where they teach kirtan FREE.But the teacher was more of a guru there,everyone calling USTAAD USTAAD JI JI JI, and bowing in front of him like mad. He also used to sing some indian bollywood songs along with kirtan and my conscious dint allow me to continue learning kirtan. Now i want to learn it all by myself. I have a bought a VAJJJJJAAAAAAAA. Is there any way to learn BASIC kirtan online or through some book etc. thanking you yours sincerely Gareeb Singh Gareebiyan Vale

SOURCE: http://www.ihro.in/?q=node/20 WHY I TOOK TO A. K. -47 Submitted by dsgill on Tue, 2005-12-13 13:24. Publications WHY I TOOK TO A. K. -47 The shocking story of a Sikh youth that was tortured and harassed by India’s Security Forces and who finally joined the Khalistan Commando Force The cases of disappearance of Piara Singh and Anup Singh Hundreds of Akali Dal (B) workers led by Sukhjinder Singh along¬ with members of the (formerly All-India) Sikh Students Federa¬tion, on December 18, 1989, tried to besiege the Kapurthala Senior Superintendent of Police (SSP) Swaran Singh’s office as also the nearby office of the Crime Investigation Agency (CIA). They were pressing the police to produce Anup Singh (32), a senior leader of the AISSF and Piara Singh (60), who were allegedly abducted, by the police from Kassochahal and Lakhan Khurd villages respectively in the presence of local residents. The Akali conscience pricked Sukhjinder Singh, who along with 500 political activists was rounded up by the Kartarpur police to frustrate the former’s attempt to besiege the police offices, went on hunger strike till the detenus were set free or produced in court. The police, resulting in injuries to half-a-dozen activists prevented thousands of other villagers from joining the agitators. Again, thousands of Akali Dal workers and AISSF activists, on December 22, 1989, besieged the police picket outside the CIA building in front of the office of the SSP, Kapurthala. The protesters demanded the production of the detenus and the immediate release of all the protesters, including Sukhjinder Singh, who went on an indefinite hunger strike in the District Sub-Jail at Kapurthala. The important leaders who participated in the siege and picketing included G. S. Tohra, President of Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee (SGPC), Thekedar Surjan Singh and Surjit Singh Sandhu, an AISSF leader. About 400 women led by Mohinder Kaur, spouse of Sukhjinder Singh, staged a demonstration against the police. Prominent Hindus of the area also participated in the protest. Tohra and Thekedar join the race The Deputy Inspector General (DIG) of Police, D. R. Bhatti, the next day directed the police to register cases against the police officials who had taken away Jathedar Piara Singh and Anup Singh. This decision was announced at a meeting of the District Development and Grievances Committee held under the leadership of N. K. Arora, Commissioner, Jalandhar Division. Bhatti also directed the police to withdraw the case under sec¬tion 107/151 Criminal Procedure Code (Cr. P. C.) against Sukhjinder Singh and others. Sukhjinder Singh called off his nine-day-old hunger strike on December 26 after I. K. Gujral, Union Minister for External Affairs, made an appeal to do so. Accordingly, all the political activists along with Sukhjinder Singh were set free. Gujral’s appeal and withdrawal of agitation More than ten months have passed since the withdrawal of the agitation at Kapurthala. The police have not released or produced the two detenus in court nor have they taken steps to punish the guilty police officials. This investigation report by IHRO pertains to the disappearance of Jathedar Piara Singh and the police atrocities on the members of his family. A Kartarpur Sadar police party, led by Inspector Puran Singh raided the residence of Jathedar Piara Singh at Lakhan Khurd village on May 24, 1989. The party picked up his son Gurbachan Singh, Brother Amrik Singh and a few other villagers. Others included Kapur Singh, village revenue official Kulwinder Singh, Bhagat Singh, his two sons Amarjit Singh and Sukhdev Singh, Gurdial Singh, his two sons Amarjit Singh and Nirmal Singh and Sewa Singh, his two sons Bhagwan Singh and Amrik Singh. They were taken to the Police Station. Jathedar Piara Singh and his other three sons were not at home then. Next day Piara Singh’s spouse, Harbans Kaur and his daughter-in-law Paramjit Kaur, were also taken away by the same police party. In the evening, the village elders assured the police that Piara Singh would be produced before them the next day and got the women released from the police. The police did not release others arrested by it. Jathedar Piara Singh “arrest” and torture Surjit Singh, head of the (“Panchayat”) village council, Piara Singh’s son Anup Singh, Rachhpal Singh, Nishan Singh and Hardev Singh, on May 25, 1989, produced Jathedar Piara Singh before the Deputy Superintendent of Police (DSP), S. S. Bajwa as promised. Next day the Jathedar was shifted to the Sadar police station. There he was brutally tortured by DSP Kehar Singh, Inspector Puran Singh, ASI, Nirmal Singh and Constables Ram Saran Dass and Rattan Singh in the presence of the detained villagers namely Gurbachan Singh, Mewa Singh, Kapur Singh and Amrik Singh. Piara Singh was completely unclothed and was divested of his religious symbols. The eyewitness gave a detailed account of the hair-raising story of the torture. He was beaten with the butt-ends of rifles. The constables pulled his hair (from the head and beard), while police officers continued slapping him with their shoes. The DSP gave him blows. They were seeking information from Piara Singh about the whereabouts of his absconding son, Raghbir Singh alias “Bira." As Jathedar Piara Singh evidently had no knowledge, the police continued with the torture. He was now tied to a rope. Its other end passed through the ceiling fan hook. As two constables pulled the rope, up went the detenu who now hung in a state of suspension in the air with his head positioned downwards. The police officials took up sticks to hit the old man, until he lost consciousness while still in the air. The police then loosened the rope so that Piara Singh’s person landed on the floor. After a while the detenu regained consciousness. The police officers again pounced upon him. This time they took up a small log and rolled it on his thighs. His legs were pulled apart. The entire process of torture was repeated in the case of each of the other detenus. Gurbachan Singh was tortured and humiliated in the presence of his father in the same way. All members of Amritdhari family held While all others were released on June 30, 1989, Piara Singh, his brother Amrik Singh and son Gurbachan Singh were kept illegally in detention as they were not produced in any court during that period. His brother and son were also set free on July 18. The police evidently used Piara Singh as a hostage so that his son’s surrender could be ensured. After waiting for a few days the village elders, Kapur Singh, Sant Singh, Amrik Singh and Gurmit Singh (Sarpanch) contacted the police to inquire about Piara Singh. DSP Kehar Singh and Inspec¬tor Puran Singh told them that Piara Singh had suffered injuries because of the torture and that he was convalescing under their care. He would be released when he recovered. The village council waited for another 10 day. They then met DIG, D. R. Bhatti, SSP, Swaran Singh and SP (Operations), Santokh Singh to seek Piara Singh’s release. These officers feigned ignorance and flatly denied the arrest. As last resort, the village group again went to Sadar Police Station where they were threatened with dire consequences in case they did not stop talking of Piara Singh. It was clear to the villagers that the police in its custody had killed Piara Singh and that further pursuit of the matter was futile. In the meantime, Piara Singh’s spouse Harbans Kaur sent telegrams and registered letters to the President, the Prime Minister, Punjab Governor and Director General of Police (DGP) requesting them to intervene in the matter and get Piara Singh released from the police. No one responded and the poor old woman felt lost in the race to rescue her spouse. The Army’s futile attempt Constable Gurvinder Singh (No 14482066 K) serving in the Indian Army tried to move the Arm administration for the release of his father. For this purpose, he wrote an application to his Army Headquarters, 11 Corps, who, in turn, asked HQ Jalandhar Sub-Area to liaison with the Kapurthala police. Major S. P. Singh of HQ 23(1) Armed Bde wrote directly to the DGP, K. P. S. Gill. The Punjab DGP wrote on August 4, 1989, to the SSP, Kapurthala, directing him to report within 15 days the whereabouts of Piara Singh. A copy of that note was also sent to Gurvinder Singh. After this, nothing was heard from the Civil Administration. The Army too, fell silent. International Human Rights Organisation (IHRO) received a letter from the detainee’s absconding son, Raghbir Singh (24) in September 1990. The IHRO immediately sent a two-member team comprising advocates Harchand Singh Gill and Mukesh Inder Singh Dhillon to investigate the entire matter. The IHRO team visited Lakhan Khurd village and interviewed members of Piara Singh’s family and the village council. The team also recorded statements of the persons concerned The story of Raghbir Singh The young Sikh activist, Raghbir Singh, recounted in his hand in Punjabi the story as below: “I, Raghbir Singh son of Jathedar Piara Singh, am a resident of village Lakhan Khurd, Police Station Sadar in district Kapurtha¬la. I was good at studies and secured 71% marks in Matriculation and 74% in Higher Secondary Examinations. After that, I got admission in Nawab Jassa Singh Ahluwalia College in BA Part-I. All members of my family are baptised Sikhs. That is why I have been taking interest in the Sikh faith. I too took 'Amrit’ and started maintaining all Sikh symbols and performed rituals. I joined the All India Sikh Students Federation in September 1986. While we were busy in organising a Kirtan Darbar on behalf of the AISSF at Lakhan Kalan village, the police rounded up the federation activists including Surjit Singh Sandhu and me. We were kept in Sadar Police station for six days illegally. Likewise, the police continued harassing members of my family and me. Arrested 20 times in one year “In 1987 my father’s sister’s son Harvinder Singh left his home due to the unending police terror. The Kapurthala police now started picking me up on the pretext that Harvinder Singh had been visiting our home. They “arrested” me about 20 times during 1987. Every time my parents had to pay ransom money to the police to get me out of their illegal custody. “To save myself from the Kapurthala police, I joined a college at Jalandhar in BA (final) to lead a smooth and peaceful life but harassment, humiliation and torture of my parents and brothers continued at the hands of the Kapurthala police. “The Kapurthala Sadar police party led by Inspector Dilbagh Singh Pannu and ASI Jagtar Singh raided our village house on June 10, 1988. Nothing incriminating was found but they apprehended my elder brothers, Gurbachan Singh and beginning of this report: IHRO). They asked them to produce me before the police. Sarpanch Gurmit Singh, Nambardar Kapur Singh and my father along with other village elders persuaded me to surrender to the police on 14 June 1988, on assurance by the police that I would be let off after interrogation. How Raghbir Singh was tortured? “I was immediately shifted to a room where I was asked to put off all my clothes and religious symbols. My underwear (Kachhaira) was forcibly removed to make me completely naked. DSP Kehar Singh, Inspector Dilbag Singh, ASI Jagtar Singh and constables, Karamjit Singh and Avtar Singh started beating me up with canes, iron rods and leather belts. My hands were fastened with ropes and I was made to hang from the ceiling of the room upside down. All body joints and feet were given strokes with heavy sticks. The police officials wanted me to help them in seizing the under¬ ground activists of the AISSF and armed groups. I knew nothing about them and could not escape myself from the police clutches. I lost my consciousness and was brought down. I was subjected to inhuman treatment for about two hours and not allowed to sleep at night. Similar treatment was given the next day. “On June 16, 1988, I was blindfolded, my hands were fastened behind my back and was shifted to the CIA staff where DSP; S S Bajwa, ASI Gurbachan Singh along with four constables made me sit on the floor. Head constable Karamjit Singh while supporting my back with his knees pulled my long hair backwards and ASI Gurbachan Singh along with others stretched my legs apart resulting in swooning. When consciousness returned they gave electric shocks on the chest and other private organs of my body from a Dynamo-Battery apparatus causing severe pain. After treating me like animal, they threw me in another room. I was not able even to put on my clothes. At night, an old man (detainee) fed me, as my hands were numb. Even sexual abuses “At 10 AM the next day, SSP Swaran Singh and his bodyguards placed an extra thick pestle on the front side of my thighs, the two of the bodyguards stood on the pestle and others rotated it. My muscles were broken. This time I was made to lie on the floor prostrate and pestle exercise was repeated by pressing my lower legs against a wooden roller. They kept on torturing me and asked me questions for an hour. They passed on electric current through my ears due to which I lost hearing power. “Then I was shifted to the Sadar police station, where I was repeatedly tortured in the presence of others just to humiliate me. The police also indulged in sexual abuses. There were 15/20 illegal detainees in the Sadar police station while 20/25 in the CIA staff who were rotting there for the last two or three months. “On June 18, 1988, at about 6 PM, I was blindfolded and was taken to an unknown place by ASI Gurbachan Singh and his force. In the meantime, I was informed that my end had come and that I should prepare myself for the eventuality. After about one and half-hours’ drive I was helped to get down the jeep. I was asked to say my first prayers. If I wanted to live, I was asked, I should sit in a van with tainted glasses to identify and have arrested other members of the AISSF and the Babbar Khalsa. When they failed to elicit any positive response from me, I was taken to the room of a huge building that, I learnt later, was the camp office of the Central Reserve Police Force. Two novel ways of the CRPF “There I was confined for five days. Needless to repeat that I was subjected again to the same somewhat gruelling experience as I had recently undergone in the custody of the police. However, my CRPF tormentors had two new methods employed on me. One, red chillies were thrown into my eyes. Two, I was made to lie straight on the ground with my face towards the roof. Then water in a thin constant stream was put into my nose so that I gasped for breath and became unconscious. This process was repeated all the five days. “On June 22, 1988, DSP Kehar Singh and his force comprising Inspector Dilbagh Singh, ASI Jagtar Singh, Havildars Karamjit Singh and Avtar Singh and a few others took me to Sadar police station, Kapurthala, where I was stripped naked and was severely beaten up with leather belts. This caused blood to ooze out of my body. Later a 200-Watt bulb was pressed against my body. I was also given electric currents. On June 23-24, Inspector Dilbagh Singh, Havildars Karamjit Singh, Avtar Singh and Lal Singh took me in a car with tainted glasses. I was asked to identify and have arrested any suspect and was promised release in the unilat¬erally settled bargain. Since I could not identify anyone I was taken back to the police station. I was again beaten and tor¬tured. This way I was taken out for two days, with no results. Attempts to turn him into “cat” fails “On June 25 at about 9 AM, I was taken to the CIA staff office where SSP Swaran Singh, SP (Operations) Santokh Singh, Inspector Gurbachan Singh, ASIs Pargat Singh and Gurbachan Singh ‘Butcher’ (the tyrant) as well as a few constables were present. There I was subjected to torture again. “In the next few days I was taken to Kala Sangha and Bholath police stations. Because of the torture, I was very miserable. I could not stand up on my own. I could not eat, as my hands were totally paralysed. I was helped by the police officials to eat my food. I could not change clothes or ease myself. My left ear lost hearing power. The Court finds no evidence “When the police totally failed to get anything out of me, they registered a case on July 6, 1988, under sections 212/216 of IPC and sections ¾ of TADA at Sadar police station, Kapurthala. In the case they alleged that I was harbouring and aiding Babbar Khalsa activists Wadhawa Singh (a member of the Panthic Committee), Tarsem Singh, Makhan Singh and Balbir Singh. The Designate Judge, Kapurthala, Gurjit Singh Sandhu, on February 27, 1989, found me falsely implicated because I was earlier a member of the AISSF and acquitted me of all the charges. “After my release, I went to Madhya Pradesh, two thousand kilometres away from Punjab, to stay with one of my relations. There I joined a computer course. I received reports from back home of harassment of my father and other members of my family. It was clear to me that the police were still after me. I had no option except to go underground." The quest for honourable life ends Thus, it ended Raghbir Singh Bira’s quest for honourable, peaceful life away from Punjab. He returned to Punjab to actively join the militant ranks. He is now a member of the Khalistan Commando Force headed by Paramjit Singh Panjwar. Although he renounced his relations with the family, the police arrested other members of Raghbir Singh’s family, tortured them and kept them in illegal custody. The process is on as we make this report to the world. Meanwhile, Jathedar Piara Singh and Baba Anup Singh, mentioned earlier in the report, remain “untracked." LUDHIANA October 22, 1990

Sat sri akal I have found that most gutkas and even online Guru Granth Sahibs have lots of "aunkarrs" ,"siharis" etc missing due to the carelessness and also due to the ignorance of Gurbani Grammar.After reading Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh Ji' book "Gurbani diyan lagan maatran di vilakhannta" I could see how ignorant our panth has become. I need access to original and mistakeless Guru Granth Sahib. Can someone tell me from where I can get it. Its really important because one small mistake can change the entire meaning of the Gurvaak and lead to mann matt. KHALISTAN ZINDABAD

THe following 2 news documents show how BIASED,JEALOUS AND IGNORANT(delibrately) Hinduuustans media is of the sikhs and sikh history. http://www.newkerala.com/news.php?action=fullnews&id=56643 http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1307740.cms There is absolutely no mention of the fact that KASHMIRI PANDITS approaced guru ji to save their faith and honour in the Times of India article and there are errors and misinformation in the other article KHALISTAN ZINDABAD

I have stopped celebrating my birthday as I dint have good reason to celebrate it. I find many people wishing one another "happy birthday" on this website but I think all Sikhs(not the brainwashed, confused or sheep like sikhs) of Guru Gobind Singh should stop celebrating their birthdays. According to Guru, human is just of 2 breadths.If the breath we take inside doesnt come out,we are dead.Guru also told us to remember our death all the time. Then why we have become ritualist and do what the majority of MANMUKH and FORTUNELESS world does. Lets be lions and follow our guru. KHALISTAN ZINDABAD

People sitting in front of their computers and writing whatever comes in their mind.Its a nice time pass. Anyone who wants to form khalistan,do the following: 1.Join together 2.Contact me so that I can contribute my bit Just for a kirpan to do good it has to be used by a nice person.In the same way in todays world money is more important than weapon.But money has to be in the hands of nice and SMART people. Khalistan zindabad Raj Karega Khalsa

The Right-Wing March of The Tribune Needs to be countered Simranjit Singh Mann, President, Shiromani Akali Dal (Amritsar) wrote a letter on October 12 to the Editor, The Tribune, Chandigarh, referring to his editorial ‘Beasts in Khaki’ of October 11. “I think this editorial, which comes down hard on the Punjab police is totally incongruous with the new thinking of your paper, which is leaning more and more on making The Tribune an ultra-right wing paper of the Hindutva doctrine. During the period of Mr. Hari Jai Singh’s editorship, this paper liberally carried every shade of opinion. I think this was the purpose of Sardar Dyal Singh Majithia’s philanthropic design and hope. Recently in Kharar, there has been a beastly murder of three young men and the rape of a young lady purportedly at the hands of a powerful land mafia and an extra-judicial murder of two young Kashmiri citizens by the Punjab Police in Pathankot. In the horror of Kharar, the Ropar Police has taken no action against the accused or registered a rape case. In the latter, your reporter Mr Lalit Mohan has reported in detail. But both these dastardly crimes have not been reported in your paper. The minority point of view is being totally censored and obliterated by your paper. What find notice in your paper are the hard Hindutva of the RSS and BJP and soft Hindutva of the Congress party. Any opposition to these two thoughts, propounded by either of these two parties does not find acceptance in your paper,” asserted Mr Mann “Your foreign and defence policy writers can write anything on a right-wing state, but comments contrary to these writings are never printed. Right wing editorials denouncing concessions to Muslims by the Andhra Pradesh government or a hard-hitting editorial against the Sikhs in the Kanishka air disaster are the rage. No one can challenge these editorials. Any comment to them is considered blasphemy. We hear of your correspondents travelling with Prime Ministers entourage, reporting from Washington DC that America has given a nuclear status to India. This is flashed as headlines news in your paper. Obviously, it is not true on the day of reporting and not true till this day. Christians are not allowed to hold meetings in Punjab. Any condemnation of this anti secular view is not published. The Prime Minister is invited to a Tribune function. The Tribune represents all shades of opinion. But only supporters of Hindutva are invited. Any criticism of the Prime Minister’s Punjab visit is not printed. Sikh leaders like Parkash Singh Badal and Amarinder Singh who accept Hindutva are glorified but those of us who oppose this pernicious doctrine have become persona non grata with your paper. “A British diplomat in Pakistan is expelled for having a liaison with a lady but your paper calls him a UN diplomat. You mention the Western Australian city as Pert, whereas it is Perth. You say the French submarine is Scorpion, whereas it is Scorpene. No one can challenge these howlers. There is a steep fall in the standard of good English in the paper. Grammatical, spelling errors and incorrect English has become standard practice. We Sikhs are ashamed, as this paper was founded by one of us and represents our region. “The massacre of the Sikhs in 1984 is consistently referred to as a riot by The Tribune, though everyone knows that a riot is between two opposing religious, political, social or doctrinal groups. In 1984, only Sikhs were massacred by the Hindus. None from amongst the attacking Hindu groups was even injured. When Sardar Dyal Singh Majithia founded the Tribune Trust it was his desire that all South Asians whether Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims, Christians and Dalits would find employment within the administrative and journalist sphere of this paper. Today Hindus form 90% of the staff and reporters. The late Prem Bhatia also followed a very hard sectarian policy and was rabid in his views against the Sikhs. He along with Giri Lal Jain of the Times of India and Arun Shourie of the Indian Express were the leaders of the pack that denounced the Sikhs in the 1980’s and early 1990’s. Their ghost has now come to haunt the Tribune and a lot of journalists. The Tribune is the fourth pillar of the state along with the other press. We know the minorities have lost faith in the other three pillars, the legislature, judiciary and the executive. If the press becomes a victim of communal, sectarian and racist thought, it would not be good for South Asia. “I am sure you at the Tribune want a strong India and not a strong Hindu religious nationalism. If you want the latter then a barbaric and corrupt police force is good for right wing nationalism as the Nazis and Fascists found and built. That is why in the neo Bhatia revivalism I say your editorial “Beasts in Khaki” is incongruous. Your paper has accepted the pardon the Governor of Punjab has given to the two police officers who committed the genocide of the Sikhs. As such, there is no mention of this insensitive decision in your editorial “Beasts in Khaki”. Do you realize that none of the perpetrators of the genocide of the Sikhs, Muslims and Christians has been brought to book by the Indian state to date? There are two ministers in the Union cabinet, Mr. P. Chidambaram and Mr. Kamal Nath who have committed the genocide of the Sikh peoples. Your paper is on first class terms with them. Mr. Bhajan Lal another murderer of the Sikh peoples has got another term as the Congress President in Haryana. There will, obviously be no adverse comment. “On page two today 12.10.2005 you report with aplomb of the birthday of Amitab Bachan. How are your readers interested in this news? I have met the press several times in various towns, Amritsar, Jallandhar, Patiala, Ludhiana, Barnala, Sangrur, Chandigarh, Chamba, Kharar about the human right violations and the futile visits of Mrs. Sonia Gandhi and Prime Minister. This news I am told cannot be printed as your paper has no space as other important news has to be given coverage. Extra-judicial murders, rapes and murders of innocents not registered by the police, the poor economic condition of the farmers and their suicides and the discrimination against Christians and penniless Dalit Sikh widows is more important than the birthday of Amitab Bachan. How callous, to the far right and irresponsible can the Tribune get? questioned Mr Mann. He has called for an open dialogue between the minorities and Newspaper’s Trustees on the right wing march and the poor standard of the newspaper, adding that the communal imbalance in employment by newspaper also needs to be corrected and debated. In his N B to the letter, Mr Mann says, “Just as the Sikh nation rightly believes that the famous Kohinoor diamond belongs to us, similarly The Tribune founded by Dyal Singh Majithia is also our property. It is unfortunate and a quirk of history that whereas the Kohinoor has been usurped by the British through chicanery, fraud and conquest, The Tribune we have let go to the Hindu through negligence and the cunning and deceit of this race. As a nation, we must renew our claim to both these treasures. The E-mail address of the Tribune is letters@tribuneindia.com. All liberals holding secular views must participate in this debate.”

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2005/20051015/haryana.htm#5 Row over chapter on Guru Gobind Singh Tribune News Service Hisar, October 14 Derogatory remarks against Guru Gobind Singh, tenth Sikh Guru, in a chapter of Class VI textbook being taught at Delhi Public School here has kicked up a controversy. In a memorandum submitted to the Prime Minister through the local Deputy Commissioner today, the district unit of the Shiromani Akali Dal has demanded that the textbook be banned immediately. The party has warned the government that if the textbook was not banned within 15 days, their party will launch a massive agitation. The party has also sought action against the school authorities for hurting the sentiments of the Sikh community by including this book in their course curriculum. Mr Sukhsagar Singh, president of the district unit of SAD, alleged that chapter 10 in “Bhasha Manjsri” book for class VI students of Delhi Public School, Hisar, contained factually incorrect and baseless remarks against Guru Gobind Singh and Sikhs, in general. He pointed out that in the aforesaid chapter, which is a write-up by Rabindra Nath Tagore, the tenth Sikh Guru has been presented in bad light. It is mentioned in the chapter that Guru Gobind Singh beheaded a Pathan when the latter asked him to pay for some horses bought by him. Earlier, when the Guru asks the pathan to come on the next day, the Pathan remarks that all “dusht” Sikhs appeared to be thieves. “The instance of Guru Gobind Singh bringing up the Pathan’s son and later instigating him to kill the Guru is nowhere in history,” the SAD leader maintained, adding that it gave an impression that Guru Gobind Singh had been disillusioned with life, which is not true. “Moreover, the chapter projects the Guru as a depressed person, who loses temper and kills the Pathan, which he later regrets. “The writer referred to Guru Gobind Singh as an old man, whereas in reality the Guru had passed away when he was 42,” he added.

Raju,your observation correct or not signifies one attribute of Indians. 1.You have strong dislike and hatred of muslims,but you accuse the sikhs of hating hindus and give lecture of brotherhood,humanity,liberty,fraternity and all those ANGREJI words. 2.You are a coward sect of people and have degenerated doing idol worship.You might be a christian (******EDITED*******) but your views are very similar to a patriotic illogical Indian. 3.You type of people keep on arguing on every issue by reading history and using your own intelligence,other person trieshis best to convince you about the truth,but you dont understand and even if you do so next day you will again start to debate on the same thing as if nothing happened. Raju You are the same person who trusts captain brar more than many good people on this forum who always address raju ji and try to explain you the atrocities on sikhs and give you such good references. I have stayed with people like you for many years in India and the only conclusion I have drawn is that there is absolutely no need to argur or debate with ur class of people. You call me rude,unsikh like,extremist,I dont care.Yes I am not a saint infact far from it but I am much better than your type of hypocratic people with no ideology,no ability to take stand on and speak truth and no ability to deliver justice KHALISTAN ZINDABAD